Warhammer 40k Vs Star Wars
October 18, 2008 by admin
A battle that has been long overdue. While the debate has taken place within other posts on this site, here’s the place to verbalize your thoughts.
Personally, I think the Star Wars Universe would prevail, but not without an epic fight.
What do you think?
i dont know much about war hammer but i heard two blackstone fortress can destroy a planet.Three or more can destroy a star system.besides that space marines look like juggernauts.
I am not too detailed on Warhammer either, but I do know to a certain degree what the Space Marines are capable of. it sounds to me the only ground units capable of handling that kind of force would be Sith, Jedi, and Dark Trooper suits. But other than that it sounds like a Space Marine would mow through probably 25-30 men. Possibly even more, but from what I have heard about Warhammers other ground units it doesn’t seem like they would be able to handle storm troopers. I am going to leave the ship arguements for someone else because I know plenty about Star Wars ships, but I don’t know anything about Warhammer ships.
40k universe would pwn star wars.
And if the God-Emperor can fight (that is, how he was before the Horus Heresy) then I really wouldn’t want to be a jedi, he would just look at them and they would explode.
While an IG guardsmen wouldn’t be able to handle a storm troopers, most of the 40k armies basic grunts would (i.e. normal orks, tau fire warriors, space marines, sister of battle, chaos marines, eldar guardians, necron warriors etc)
Also the 40k ships are pretty dam big and powerful, I can’t remember any of the details off the top of my head, but its not going to be an easy fight for Imperial fleets or what not.
In space the Necrons would own they have really advanced ships that can use stealth and it makes them invisible to enemy targeting systems.
Assuming post-heresy, the Emperor’s dying corpse is stuck in his golden high chair…
Either way, in a total 40K vs. SW you have countless god species/gods in each side, however I think the overruling power of the 40K series would easily crush SW for far too many reasons that I would like to post.
Now an 42m Imperium vs. SW’s Empire would be a different story…
the was using the Emperor as a bit of a joke
But anyway the star wars universe would just get pwned, Jedi might have the force but thats nothing compared to alaph-level psyckers who can split Titans in half with a wave of their hand.
And i think the Imperium would win vs the Empire
Why would star wars lose?star wars wins but i don’t kwow anything about 40k so i won’t say anything but my vote is for sw
you can’t beat a fully trained Jedi.
“you can’t beat a fully trained Jedi.”
actually you can…even two space marines would more then easily overcome a jedi with little problem at all ^_^
well, i doubt two Space Marines would beat a Jedi, but a Chaplin sure as hell would
A chaos marine will kill the jedi then decapitate him the use his skull as a trophy putting it somewhere on his armor.
How does a Chaos marine do that when he is just used as a rag doll by the force? Or when the Jedi can block all his shots with a lightsaber? Or predict his movements through precognition? I’m not saying that SW would win; I’m just saying you’re not giving the Jedi enough credit.
Well your right but a Greater Daemon they would have a huge problem with.
Yeh of course, a greater daemon would have no problem kicking the crap out of Jedi.
idk dude don’t underestimate a master Jedi they arn’t weak in any way shape or form.
hummm….black hammer vs death star,world devasator(s), sun crusher,and galaxy gun. sw would win
A large Necron ship vs any SW ship and i think the Necrons would win.
Necrons ships have an Advanced Stealth Tech which makes them invisible to enemy targeting systems, They can also self-repair themselves, and they are well armored.
Well I kinda rethought it; without the Kwa SW would loose…hard. With the Kwa, they would win…hard.
really,cuz i have read up on psykers and i think i remember that they can snap long mechs in half.and cvan turn men inside out with a glance.
Psychers can be far more powerful then Jedi, and there are more of them.
Imperium ships might not be a match for Imperial ships, but the technology of the necrons his way beyond that of any star wars race (that i know of).
Only the Alpha levels really can and the Inquisition is more concerned with killing them than using them (because they are a massive danger for the most part), and on top of that they are extremely few in the first place.
Plus the Kwa rely on the Infinity Gates to win this, just drop dropping entire sections of galaxy into the abyss. And their numerous other ultra superweapons (they made their own galaxy for crying out loud!), the Kwa are the only possible way SW can win this battle.
But if its a universe war wouldnt they be siding with eachother, instead of killing them?
ok well what ive heard (which is from what ive also heard is not so reliable) the Kwa are pretty much all dead… and also i beleive the evolved into what are called Kwi?…but please correct me since im probably wrong…
so if thats the case then wouldent the choas gods and even he god emporer and horus be in this?…
and what ive heard about hte choas gods…yeah well god says it all.
The Kwa never went extinct, they merely grew sick of the Universe and it’s constant feuding and used the Infinity Gates to transport themselves into their own artificially created Galaxy that exists in an alternate dimension.
One can only assume that they’re thriving like Gods in this alternate world.
Necrons have vastly superior technology to anything in the star wars universe (instant travel across the universe, amoung other things) which they could lend to their allies. The Tyranids have huge numbers of superior troops and huge monsters, as well as a fleet that numbers in the billions of trillions. The Imperium of Man have space marines which are unmatchable on the ground, as well a psykers and hordes or assassins that are vastly superior to anything star wars can muster. Orks have huge number, Eldar has super advanced technology… etc, the list goes on.
And then you have to factor in the Gods of 40k, which have a very real presence. The Chaos Gods are able to influence everything, have infinite hordes of demons that can tear into reality through any unprotected psyker (of which there would be many in the star wars universe). Then there are the C’tan, the Old ones, the Emporer, etc…
The Star Wars universe is at peace; the 40k universe has endured millions of years of war, and it’s races have been hardened by the flames of conflict.
Suffice to say, the Star Wars soldiers would sh!t themselves, and as a whole, Star Wars is totally unprepared and would get destroyed.
Just thought I’d fill in the detail on one race in the 40k universe (I can’t be arsed doing it for the others).
The Orks are built for fighting (well technically genetically engineered by an ancient super race called the Old Ones, known by Orks as Brainboyz). While they might use barbaric technology compared to other races, they are brutally effective with what they have. Orks grow by fighting; the more they fight the bigger they get. The only thing which stops them from growing is being killed. Orks also reproduce while fighting by letting of spores which grow into a fungus and then into an Ork. Thus many worlds which appear to be rid of the green menace come under attack again by the new native Ork.
There are billions of humans (if not trillions) in the 40k Galaxy. But there are more Orks, and each one is built for combat and war. Where humans will suffer and die, become weaker and sick, Orks become stronger and more willing too fight. Orks also have a very strong connection to the Warp. Ork weird boyz are not as powerful as a human psycher, but are still dangerous. But the most important connection the Orks have to warp is a unique ability; if they think something works, it really does. That’s why red Ork vehicles really do go faster.
Ork skin is leather tough, and they have insane regenerative abilities. An Ork who has been cut to pieces can be stitched back together again, good as new. This unique ability comes from the fact that Orks are part plant and part animal. They have algae flowing through their blood veins which breaks off and rapidly regenerates damaged tissue. And because they are part plant and animal, the can live off conventional food or sunlight.
Orks are expert looters. They can learn how to uses almost any vehicle eventually (if not as effectively as the previous owner). So how long before Orks are walking around in modified AT-ATs?
The reason why Orks haven’t overrun the galaxy is because they need to fight so badly that they often just end up fighting each other. However for the point of these Universe fights it’s one Universe, united as one, versus the other. In other words, all the Orks are united with the other 40k races till everything in the Star Wars Universe is dead. Then the Orks can get back to killing other things.
Ok,
I love SW, but they dont stand a change against 40k universe. Most people here throw their weight behind SW, with good reason, due to the Force and all the beings that manipulate it. Strong as that is, it does not match up to the forces of the Warp at all.
Im gonna break down a few of the lesser points in 40k first.
1. The Imperium of men. Genetically manipulate litterally thousands of supersoldiers and encase them in supremely advanced battle armour. Does this sound familiar? Pretty similar to a much beloved character in this site. Again, THOUSANDS of these.
2. The same Imperium employs billions of well trained troops to act as the Space Marine’s cannon fodder. The numbers in the Imperial Guard dwarf those of ANY force in SW univerce. Supperior to the numbers of even Clones or Droids.
3. Humanity has in its possesion machinery and technology that matches and surpasses any war machine in SW. Mighty Titans, Black Fortresses, numerous Battlefleets, etc.
4. Those are just human points. Several other races in 40k have technology much more advanced than any tech that has been revealed in SW universe short of the power of the Death Star. These races are Tau, Eldar, Dark Eldar, and Necrons.
5. Other alien races even outnumber humanity (whom I have mentioned that already outnumbers all of SW). Space Orcs are called the green tide for a reason.
6. On top of all that, there is an alien race that matches (or in my oppinion) surpasses other universe’s threats like the Flood, or the Zerg. Tyranids have gone so far as to genetically produce weapons and beasts that match the already mentioned advanced technologies of the other races. They Breed far worse than the Flood and produce beasts that any Zerg would envy.
Trully, SW universe has NOTHING to match the Tyranid threat alone, much less any of the others mentioned. These are just the more commonly known forces in 40k (the current armies). There are many forces and races that are hidden in 40k fluff, but are much more powerful than the ones discussed. All these threats would already lay waste to all of SW the universe, and I havent even touched the major threats in the 40k universe, which are:
1. SW has the mighty Force. Strong, unseen, binding, very powerful thing. However, the Force does not hold a candle to the Warp. This entropic manifestation in the universe of 40k gives physycal form to all the emotions felt in a universe full of constant and brutal warfare. This essence gives birth to unspeakable creatures and beings that would make every Jedi Master crawl into a ball full of panic.
2. There are beings that manipulate the energies of the Warp with their minds, displaying powers and abilities that far surpass any Force manifestation. These psychers can give a Jedi Master a run for their money…and then some.
3. then we have Psychers that acheive such supremacy that they become near-gods. The beings known as Primarchs are even worse, being genetically altered by the god-emperor himself, they display all the atributes possessed by a single Space Marine by a hundred-fold and wield powers unimaginable.
4. But why talk about near-gods when there are actual GODs manifested and taken form in the 40k universe. The C’Tan, also known as STAR VAMPIRES!!, have laid waste to entire systems. We also have other God’s Avatars and Greater Daemons. Manifestations that match the C’Tan in power.
5. The God-emperor. A single being that perhaps contains all the power we beleive our “real” GOD to have. He alone stands stalwart uppon his throne holding the forces of the Warp from completely consuming humanity.
6. On top of all that mennace, the Warp is 40k’s mirror to our concept of Hell. Legions uppon legions of unstoppable daemons that prey on all other being in the universe.
7. However, the single most terrible thing in 40k universe, the one that by itself would consume the SW universe with little effort, are the Daemon-Gods that reside in the Warp. These being of immesurable omnipotience have the power to unleash all this carnage at once. Legions of super soldiers. Billions, uppon billions, of humanoid servants and devotees. Daemons that are respawned with but a thought. Mighty Greater Daemons, avatars of their power. Daemon Princes, mirrors to Humanity’s Primachs. Terrible engines of war possesed and enhanced by Daemonic energies. These gods manipulate time and space, granting their subjects with immesurable power and immortality. Thankfully, each Daemon-God is driven by their own desires and focus almost completely on those. Pray they never choose to make the complete oblivion of the universe to be their desire.
Not having anything nearing the power of the God-emperor, the terrible Daemon-Gods would have no trouble overtaking both the Jedi and the Sith should they will it so. Bottom line?
Warhammer 40,000 wins by a landslide.
I wish I could edit my posts…so many typos. Pardon my Puertorrican ignorance.
idk that much who would but i mite have to go with warhammer because they have better weapons and more
we need some fanboys to bash.
“we need some fanboys to bash.”
Yes!
Id love to see how Coruscant handles the fury of Angron, Fulgrim, Perturabo, Lion el’Jonson, Leman Russ, Rogal Dorn, Mortarion, Magnus the Red, etc.
I think the entire Jedi Counsil (full of several Masters) would be dominated by just ONE of these guys.
Oh my god, Lion El’ Johnson, the second most awesome of the Primarchs…behind Sanguinius. As to then dominating a council of Jedi Maters, the Primarchs are strong but I think only those with psychic power could really fight them, the lightsabers would just past through their weapons and armor and slice them up, sure they might take out a few but, the combined lightsabers and master-level force control….
Either way, 40K would win this one, the only saving grave might just be the Kwa tho, who could; with the blink of an eye, just make the 40K universe literally disappear. I will admit that SW would get practically unmercifully raped if you only brought up the “current universes” tho.
“As to then dominating a council of Jedi Maters, the Primarchs are strong but I think only those with psychic power could really fight them, the lightsabers would just past through their weapons and armor and slice them up, sure they might take out a few but, the combined lightsabers and master-level force control….”
Uuummm…..No.
I know we are on the same side here and all, but I felt that I needed to correct you. ALL Primarchs are Psychics. All of them. Whats more, even the weakest of Primarchs (in terms of psychic powers) are stronger than the current individuals roaming the galaxy by tenfold. Ahriman and Mephiston are but mere children to these mighty beings.
On to the update…
Im pretty sure that if the non-current stuff from the universes are allowed, not even the Kwa could stop this mayhem.
-First, all the Space Marine legions at full strength, WITH all the Primarchs (none have been killed, like the pointed Sanguinus). LEGIONS. Not the chapters we know of today (devastating as they are), but the legions that gave birth to all the chapters. Thousands of supersoldiers genetically manipulated and led by their respective God-Primarch. Just think of MC x hundreds of thousands and wielding unimaginable psychic powers.
-Second, BOTH the Emperor and Horus alive and kicking, buddy-buddies, and full power. This alone should already scare the entire SW universe.
-Third, the Old Ones. Akin to the Fanboy favorites Halo Forerunners.
-Fourth, the peers/enemies of the Old ones, the C’Tan fresh and at full power. Not just The Deceiver and Nightbringer, but all of them.
-Fifth, the Enslavers. Wiki them, they are scary. The fact that all the Chaos Gods evolved from these guys should speak volumes about the threat of an entire race of these beings.
-Last, Vortex Grenades. I know they arent necessarily ancent, they are still current, but these devices make thermal detonator a simple joke. Pocket Black Holes. Thats right, pocket Black Holes carried by single individuals. Imagine armies unleashing these horrors uppon the forces of SW.
We’ve been using non-current stuff for the sake of total discussion. I’m as much as a 40K fan as a SW fan, I’ve even sunk the cash into 2 massive armies….and I will admit that 40K is far superior in terms of firepower, but the ability to just drop entire galaxies into nothingness is awfully impressive. And as I’ve said before that is the very iffy, and only way SW can win. I’m all for the “current” 40K > “current” SW, I’m just making an observation….
Agreed.
BTW, if we will take into account the amount of $ I have dumped into each universe, 40k > SW BY FAR! hehehe
40k
Armies (from largest points to least, starting at 4,000+):
Chaos Space Marines
Chaos Daemons
Lost and the Damned
Kroot Mercenaries
Imperial Guard
Necrons
Tau
7 novels
Dawn of war + expansions
Star wars:
Movies theatres, all DvDs, 14 figures, some shirts/caps, some comics/novels and a year-ish subscription to Star Wars Galaxy.