Borg Vs The Flood (Halo)
August 10, 2008 by admin
Two races that win by overwhelming their opponents with brute force and sheer numbers. I think the edge has to go to the Borg simply for their technical advantage, but you just never know.
So, matched up against the other, which one would win?
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It’s not just their technology that would help them win, it’s their adaptability.
The Borg would probably lose a few drones, but in losing them, they would be able to adapt to the Flood’s attack.
The Flood also don’t seem to have any space craft of their own, so the Borg could just sit in orbit, and bombard the Flood from above.
The Borg would probably be able to assimilate the Flood, but the Flood wont be able to infect the Borg (because the Flood infection works by hijacking the entire nervous system, but as the Borg’s brains aren’t fully biological (with electronics and such) it’s not going to work, because the Flood can’t infect electronics.
The Flood leader “Gravemind” it´s very inteligent and the flood can infect to the borgs and make them their suits,and the flood can infect even machines,if you remember the covenant city in halo 2 you´ll see that the flood can infect even machines so ignoring the first answer in this issue,I think that the flood will win the borgs.
Thanks for the post.
Anyway, if the Flood can control the biological parts of the Borg then they could easily win. The Borg cannot function without their biological portions.
Also the Flood infect much faster then the Borg so the battle could be over quickly.
This battle takes place at the cellular level.
If the Borg nanites can over power the Flood infection then the Borg could win this one. If not then the Gravemind has a whole new army.
In response to bob:
Yes the flood have no ships of their own, but they have no problem taking them. Like the Borg, the Flood infect a ship and make it their own. I believe High Charity is a fine example of Flood capability.
The ability for the flood to overwhelm an opponent is entirely dependent on their ability to organically infect and manipulate an opponent, repeatedly.
As Mecha Bob has stated, the Borg usually develop a strong physical resistance to almost any attack, intrusion or infection after only a few Drones have been lost to the offending party. In this scenario, once the Borg have sustained only a few casualties, the Flood are the ones who begin to suffer on the losing end of combat attrition.
(Since both parties are dependent on absorbing their enemy, swelling their own ranks through combat and using overwhelming force rather than tactical genius; attrition is the single biggest factor here)
It is then simply a matter of each side wearing the other down in continuous close quarters combat. Since the Flood must procure their weaponry and equipment from slain hosts they have limited to no experience using foreign technology. Thus whether or not the Flood can operate Capital ships or weapons is entirely dependent on whether or not they can wrestle them off an opponent, giving the Borg the immediate advantage.
The Flood also have little skill piloting veichles and their ability to operate firearms is limited to sheer blind luck. Whereas the Borg mass produce their own weapons, ships and equipment. Each Borg is trained and programmed to be relentless shock troops with an effective capacity for hand to hand and small arms warfare.
Once the battle came to grinding CQC, the Borg have the advantage.
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the flood would turn the bog into flood-borg things and they wouldn’t stand a chance.
How would they repeatedly infect the Borg once they’ve developed an immediate resistance to Flood conversion after only a few seconds?
As tenacious as the Flood are, millions of years of evolution cannot suddenly alter itself overnight.
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L-W,
I don’t think your properly understanding the Borg’s adaptability. The Borg adapt to energy weapons fire not hand to hand combat. Also there is no way to tell if the Borg will be able fight flood infection.
The Borg adapt to everything, not just energy weapons, it’s even how they ‘grow’ by adapting to incorporate the technologies of other cultures in to their own.
And with the Flood having none of their own defence against energy weapons (or the ability to adapt to such), they probably wont get close enough for hand to hand combat to be a problem (which could just be blocked with kinetic shields anyway).
And there’s no way of telling how the Flood will be able to fight the Borg infection.
The only creatures that have shown any resistance to Borg nanites, are ‘Species 8472′, because of their superior cellular structure, whereas the flood have a relatively standard cellular structure (which is why they’re able to do what they do).
Last time I checked,
In Star Trek the Borg can be killed hand to hand because they are slow and they have to use hand to hand because the federation energy weapons become ineffective.
The Borg will try to assimilate the flood like any other race, so hand to hand combat will happen. Also they always ignore, but observe then attack. The flood would get the drop on them first then it’s a fight on a biological level.
So what if they can be killed in hand to hand, if they can kill the flood with their ranged energy weapons before they come in to close range, it’s not a problem, and if they thing the situation is desperate enough, they’ll just use kinetic shielding to make sure it can become a problem.
There’s no reason to assume the Borg will want to assimilate the Flood, they have no technology of value to them, which is usually the Borg’s primary concern. And all the species the Borg have been shown to assimilate have been humanoid, so there’s less reasons the Borg will want the Flood (unless you can find an example of the Borg having assimilated and uses a cat, or crab or something).
And why would hand to hand combat happen if they did want to assimilate the Flood? Usually they just stun people with their energy weapons if they want to assimilate them, no hand to hand combat would be required.
The Borg only ignore people/things, if they’re no threat to their primary objective, (which is usually ignoring weapons that don’t even work on them, while they’re assimilating more important technology). Against the Flood, their main priority would be combat.
And if it does come down to a fight on the biological level, I think that Borg Nanoprobes that can specifically target certain cells have a better chance than cells that can’t work individually.
You’re forgetting one major detail. If even just a few Borg are turned by the flood, the Gravemind will learn all the information from the Borg’s mind. That means how to use weapons, fly their ships, their strengths, weaknesses, everything. Even Borg systems and other systems known to the Borg.
If a Borg was turned by a flood, it would just be disconnected from the collective, and the Flood would learn nothing.
But even if the Flood did find everything out about the Borg, that information still wouldn’t enable them to win, they’d just have more of an idea of why they’re going to lose.
This is assuming that the Flood could even infect ONE Borg, a captured Drone would little material to offer the Flood as the Collective only travels in a single flow that travels downwards, not either way. This kind of hierarchy assures the Borg that Drones are not privvy to selective information, only orders, thus the point is entirely debunked.
Especially when you consider that each unit can be violently disconnected from the collective; and by violent I mean “Say goodby to anything within the vicinity of the self-destructing Borg”.
Actually, when the Flood infects a victim, they inject Flood Supercells into them, which turns them into the deformed green gooey hulks as we have seen.
And if those Supercells are somehow capable of overcoming the overzealous and highly malicious Borg Nanoprobes (Which can convert Humans in a matter of seconds), the Borg unit is automatically terminated…
…With extreme prejudice. All the Bio-Matter is stripped clean from the metallic bones by hyper-charged nanites, which is usually the reason that Borg are never captured.
What i’ve feared Borg and flood drones. we’re dommed
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Run for the hills.
uh the hills are volcanoes and there is a tsunami heading towards the coast, your screwed buddy
Lol, k first off, its like borg vs 8472, exept flood dont have ships. Borg can not become impervious to melee, neither can they assimilate the flood…. The flood numbers vs borg would be like 10-1, for every borg that dies, thats another REALLLLY strong flood… and some alive ones get turned to flood… if its not space battles, then flood win hands down. no competition.