Marneus Calgar Vs Darth Vader
November 18, 2008 by admin
Here we have as AlphaCommando put it: ‘How about Marneus Calgar; Master of the Ultramarines, against some worthy foe’
How would this match end?
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27 Responses to “Marneus Calgar Vs Darth Vader”
This is indeed a worthy opponent. I will wait and se others comment first.
This would be an elongated fight, but I’m pretty sure the force has this one handled. Even if the marine manages to somehow get close Vaders lightsaber could cut him to pieces.
See, thats what I’m not so sure of.
First, although he is not an actual Psyker, the Grand Master has a slight psychic aptitude. This would be equivalent to being force sensitive. The actual problem is that I dont know how the Force and Warp-base-Psychics match up. Are they in equal standing? Is one stronger than the other? Do they negate one another?
Second, should Vader resort to distanced force powers (most which would be negated by the Terminator Armour, save for the choke), Calgar can unload a rain of Bolter fire on the Sith Lord. Something that quite simply Vader wouldnt want any part of.
Third, The gauntlets of Ultramar are (like all power weapons in 40k) infused with energy. This allows them to negare armor almost as effectively as SW Lightsabers. Vader might find that is not as safe as might be thought to be in close quarters with this individual. Further, their adamantite shell in conjuction to their energy field, might provide similar deflection to a Lightsaber duel. However, I still think the Lightsaber has the advantage because the Gauntlets are unwieldy. The agile sword will be scoring more hits than the fists. Mind you that it will take only one hit from those fists to reduce vader to nothing, whereas (see below) I think Calgar’s armor would be able to take a few Lightsaber hits beforebeing pierced.
Lastly, it would take me forever and a day to explain the properties of the actual Terminator Armour, so here is a link you can check out for yourself:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Terminator_Armour
Sufice to say that I dont think the Lightsaber will be as effective as you might think on this titan.
Regardless of all this, I am still undecided on who might win. I just felt like providing a slight bit of intel before other started casting votes onto the better known Sith.
Ya this would probably last awhile because I mean that guy (whoever he is) isn’t Xena or anything and his armor looks pretty strong so I’ll give him that…but Vader would probably rip him in half with the force
matapojo I would give his armor maybe a full 3 seconds if the lightsaber was sitting on it for that full period. But that is equivilant to about 3 to 4 lightsaber strokes…. Vader could easily accomplish that without being touched by this behemoth. Anything the Marine shoots at Vader could easily be thrown away with the force, or just simply dodged… But the Space Marine is by far more of a match than Chief could ever be considered.
@Galen Marek
Indeed. I am also leaning towards Vader, but those details still irk me. For example. In the tabletop game, Terminator Armour grants exceptional protection over any conventional attack, shrugging off most everything. In addition, the armour’s properties also grant protection over other supernatural/meta-science attacks at a slightly lesser effectiveness. Meaning that I still beleive the Lightsaber, as well as other force attacks, will have a hard time getting through.
A good strategy vader could employ is to throw the saber and “animate” it with the force, staying well away from the behemoth. However, this could also be negated by the Chapter Master laying Bolter fire on vader. At the very least, this could break vader’s concentration to effectively control the saber. Hitting mostly hot air.
Should Calgar even graze vader, thats it folks, game over. The Gauntlets are able to rip through 40k’s Land Raiders and Monolyths. Im pretty sure vader’s feble armor would crumble under his grip as if it was a sheet of aluminum foil.
Also, Space Marines of this caliber have fighting prowess that equals or even surpass most Jedi. Vader is still Vader, still has the advantage with a lighter weapon, but calgar is no pushover in hand to hand combat.
Another thing of note is that those fists double his already massive strength. In all essense, Vader is fighting a Hulk with many more combat skills. Again, I still think Vader pulls the win, but its a pretty even match.
Come to think of it, that sounds like a fair match. I think Calgar matches Hulk in strength, speed, and invulnerability.
Now this is probably one of the most equal non-ridiculous battles i have seen in a while, plus I would sure as hell pay to see this….
I’m not quite so sure how the conversion field of the Iron halo Marneus Calgar wears would act with a lightsaber, possibly even shorting it out, plus its possible that the powerfists could interact with a lightsaber, as to who would win a hand-to-hand battle with those rules; I think Calgar has the upperhand, however Vaders force powers are considerable and even tho most chapter masters might have some psychic sensitivity, I doubt it can compare with a force user of Vaders talents. This is sorta a toss up, also based on how the technologies would interact.
Also; I would rate pure adamantium (40K style) as fairly lightsaber resistant, even without the conversion fields….
i bet even superman couldnt take a lightsaber…but nobody pwns darth vader…except luke
I think the armor would be mildly resistant to lightsabers like I said earlier, but Vader would easily pull off multiple strikes in the same area and pierce it sooner or later. I don’t think the conversion field would be able to short out a lightsaber, but I could be wrong.
@AlphaCommando - “Also; I would rate pure adamantium (40K style) as fairly lightsaber resistant, even without the conversion fields….”
Well, the Tactical Dreadnought Armour is not made entirely of Adamantium, It has an Adamantium frame. It is a wild combination of Ceramite, Plasteel, and Adamantium. you can bet your ass this bad boy is Lightsaber resistant. Mind you, resistant.
I think Calgar’s Iron Halo might further seal the deal against Vader’s saber and Force attacks. I had initially not taken this piece into account because he is not allowed to wear it in table games while he has the Terminator Armour, but now I think that was more for game balance issues. Just as his model shows, he still wields it. With it, combined with the amazin arour, im pretty certain now he is nigh invulnerable.
Vader could still put a few good Saber hits in, tho. Still a toss in my mind, but no longer favoring Vader.
Heres a link to Calgar’s model:
http://www.coolminiornot.com/pics/pics8/img430baf2015fb3.jpg
what if darth vader threw his saber towards that guy’s head?
also…if darth vader could (possibly) rip apart ships wouldnt he do the same to this guy?
Couldn’t Vader just squish Calgars brain from inside his skull? Just a question I don’t know how accurate the force is in that respect.
im pretty sure he could as he can stop people’s hearts
@Just A Gamer - “Couldn’t Vader just squish Calgars brain from inside his skull? Just a question I don’t know how accurate the force is in that respect.”
He could, technically. But Calgar is protected by the Iron Halo. Im certain this grants him protection against any Force attacks and some resistance against the Lightsaber.
That is just my oppinion, tho. Not the final word on that department.
id agree with you but alas the force is unavoidable even with the most highly powered armor…say a root doctor guy places a hex on someone that makes them die…armor wont protect them from that so its the same thing
well the force is of supernatural origin right?
A couple points of clarification: first and foremost, Calgar’s armor is not the bulky, unwieldly terminator armor, it is artificer armor. That is, armor that is as light as normal power armor but provides the same protection OR BETTER than terminator armor. Id est, Calgar can move with the same blinding quickness, if not faster, than a normal space marine which, as has already been established, is significantly faster than an unaugmented human eye can even see. Second, still on his armor, the gauntlets of Ultramar are completely impervious to every single type of energy or cutting tool or weapon in the entire 40k universe. Read the codex. Third, while it never explicitly states Lord Marneus Augustus Calgar’s age, it can be estimated at around at least 400 and perhaps into the seventh century of life, all the while fighting the most horrendous enemies the warp can spawn. The man is a combat powerhouse with more experience than the emperor and vader and any two other Darth anything combined. Truth be told, he is such a mighty engine of destruction, that he probably hasn’t even been considered human for almost a millennium. Fourth, If vader actually managed to get around the iron halo that Calgar wears, and all of his seals warding against any type of supernatural tele empathic invasion of any sort, then calgar could surely shrug off any choking long enough to reduce vader to a pink mist with his bolters, firing 6-10 rounds a second between the two of them. Oh, also, he has two windpipes. All ultramarines do. If Vader crushes one, Calgar will use another for at least long enough to pull all of Vader’s limbs off and bend his head around to choke him out with his own butt cheeks.
“The man is a combat powerhouse with more experience than the emperor and vader and any two other Darth anything combined.”
I’m sure Darth Nhilius would have something to say about that.
The force isn’t so much supernatural (which conjures up the concept of magic) but the ability of a force user to manipulate the energy that lives in all things, both his own and all those around him. So really; purity seals nor the Iron halo would protect Marneus. I think it comes to how each plays it; if Vader even attempted to engage Marneus in close combat he would be pulped, however Vaders force powers are considerable and he might just win if he stayed out of arm’s reach….
Either way, someone needs to animate this battle….
@AlphaCommando - “Either way, someone needs to animate this battle….”
Never agreed more with anyone in this site….
@GEOM - “Calgar’s armor is not the bulky, unwieldly terminator armor, it is artificer armor. That is, armor that is as light as normal power armor but provides the same protection OR BETTER than terminator armor.”
Not 100% true. Calgar is unique in 40k in terms of armour because he has both. He has been seen in recent battles on both machina. Further, he has recently donned his Terminator Armour more often than his Artificer. To top that off, unless im totally mistaken, the armour depicted on the art above is his Terminator Armour.
“Second, still on his armor, the gauntlets of Ultramar are completely impervious to every single type of energy or cutting tool or weapon in the entire 40k universe. Read the codex.”
Yes, I agree, and tried to illustrate that point before.
“The man is a combat powerhouse with more experience than the emperor and vader and any two other Darth anything combined. Truth be told, he is such a mighty engine of destruction, that he probably hasn’t even been considered human for almost a millennium.”
He did manage to get pwned by the Tyranid wave that claimed most of his body. Like Vader, he is mainly machine now.
“Fourth, If vader actually managed to get around the iron halo that Calgar wears, and all of his seals warding against any type of supernatural tele empathic invasion of any sort, then calgar could surely shrug off any choking long enough to reduce vader to a pink mist with his bolters, firing 6-10 rounds a second between the two of them.”
Yes, agree. I beleive hium to be immune to Force powers, or at the very least HIGHLY resistant. Others dont see this point the same way.
“Oh, also, he has two windpipes. All ultramarines do. If Vader crushes one, Calgar will use another for at least long enough to pull all of Vader’s limbs off and bend his head around to choke him out with his own butt cheeks.”
Most people are not aware of the additional organs that are inplanted into a marine throughout his “training”. Im not aware of a FULL secondary trachea, but you may be refering to the Multi-lung:
1 - Secondary Heart - This is the first and least difficult implant to install. The Secondary Heart increases blood supply and pumping capacity and is capable of taking over entirely should the primary heart fail.
2 - Ossmudula - This implant strengthens the skeleton of a Space Marine by inducing the bones to absorb a ceramic-based substance administered in a Marine’s diet. Within two years after the surgery, the Marine’s skeleton will be larger and exponentially stronger; and the rib cage will be fused into a solid bone plate.
3 - Biscopea - Implanted into the chest cavity, this implant massively bolsters muscle development and density throughout the Marine’s body. This is commonly implanted at the same time as the Ossmodula.
4 - Haemastamen - Implanted into a main blood vessel, the Haemastamen alters the Marine’s blood composition to carry oxygen and nutrients more efficiently.
5 - Larraman’s Organ - This organ manufactures Larraman Cells. These serve the purpose of platelets, but act faster and more effectively. When a Marine is wounded, Larraman Cells are released, attached to leukocytes. At the site of the injury, they form scar tissue in a matter of seconds, effectively preventing massive blood loss and infection.
6 - Catalepsean Node - Implanted into the back of the brain, this implant allows a marine to not sleep, instead entering a four-hour, almost comatose trance where they “recharge”. It also allows the resting of half the brain while the other remains alert, thus removing the need for total sleep. The longest known record of any space marine going without rest while on active combat duty is 319 hours by a member of the Crimson Fists.
7 - Preomnor - The Preomnor is a decontamination chamber inside the chest cavity. It chemically analyzes ingested materials and neutralizes toxins. The Preomnor enables the Marine to eat normally inedible substances and resist poisons.
8 - Omophagea - Implanted into the spinal cord, this organ is designed to absorb information and DNA related to experience or memory. This enables the Marine to gain information, in a survival or tactical sense, simply by eating an animal indigenous to an alien world.
9 - Multi-lung - The multi-lung is a third lung, able to absorb oxygen from environments poor in oxygen. Breathing is accomplished through a sphincter in the trachea, allowing all three lungs to be used at full capacity. In toxic environments, a similar muscle closes off the normal lungs, thus oxygen is absorbed exclusively by the multi-lung which filters out poisonous elements.
10 - Occulobe - Essentially, this organ enhances a Marine’s eyesight, granting him exceptional vision and the ability to see normally in low-light environment.
11 - Lyman’s Ear - This implant renders a Marine immune to dizziness and nausea(see Cochlea), and enables a Marine to consciously filter out “white noise”.
12 - Sus-an Membrane - This implant allows a Marine to enter a catatonic or “suspended animat