I completely agree with admin

isn’t ryu just way unbelievably faster than Aragorn? Also, doesn’t Ryu have some pretty powerful magic on his side?

“Ninja speed is about even with Elven Speed.”

And Aragorn trained with them from a young age, and managed to beat them a adfair few times.

I need to start explaining myself better…

“but his sword is sharper because of the curve.”

That is not completely true. While it is curved, that allows it to take more stress than a straight bladed weapon, much like sloped armor on a tank.

“they are both great swordsman but ryu has a fair bit more variety with weaponry”

Aragorn uses a bow, a dagger, shield, and Anduril.
What does Ryu use?

“also im not sure about this but has aragorn ever faced an opponent that can use the environment and his own acrobatics skills as well as ryu”

He was trained in the art of the bow and sword by elves. He sparred with elves. So, yes, he has.

“You should all watch Spike’s Deadliest Warrior. The Ninja got schooled by the Spartan, and the Knight’s Broadsword was proven to be just as sharp and deadly as the Samurai’s Katana.”

Excuse the double post, but I again have to bring up something. You can’t generalize a Katana like that. Crafting them was an art form all on it’s own. It would be like saying 2010 Mustang beats a Chevy. There are soooooo many different types of Katana and forging techniques that yes, a Knight’s Broadsword is just as sharp and deadly as say… a standard run of the mill military Katana, a specialized and painstakingly crafted Katana from a master swordsmith will be far far deadlier and stronger then any Broadsword. That is my biggest beef with alot of these comparisons. The Weapon/Armor evolution is completely different between western and eastern. You can’t arbitrarily say that that one is better without getting into the nitty gritty.

*ahem*

I once considered getting into Blacksmithing as a profession, and I still want to take courses on blacksmithing. Given a few years, I might very well be able to make some of these things. I have passion for Swords, imo, they are the most elegant and beautiful instrument in the Art of War.

@Skrunks – As a sword enthusiast, you should probably already know that “a Knight’s Broadsword is just as sharp and deadly as say… a standard run of the mill military Katana” is a bit of an arbitrary statement. A run of the mill Knights Broadsword is as sharp and deadly as a well made katana. A master crafted Broadsword, for we westerners are also capable of making weapons with care and skill, would be generally stronger than a mastercrafted Katana.

Alas, because we had a period of advancement beyond swords while Japan held tight to its ancient culture for as long as it could, our pride was lost while the japanese pride grew.

Stronger steel, stronger weapons. Thats how it works.

“@Skrunks – As a sword enthusiast, you should probably already know that “a Knight’s Broadsword is just as sharp and deadly as say… a standard run of the mill military Katana” is a bit of an arbitrary statement. A run of the mill Knights Broadsword is as sharp and deadly as a well made katana. A master crafted Broadsword, for we westerners are also capable of making weapons with care and skill, would be generally stronger than a mastercrafted Katana.
Alas, because we had a period of advancement beyond swords while Japan held tight to its ancient culture for as long as it could, our pride was lost while the japanese pride grew.
Stronger steel, stronger weapons. Thats how it works.”

I realize it was a bit arbitrary, but generally speaking, western weapons weren’t often ‘master crafted’. I suppose the same goes for Katanas, but still. It really depends on the type of blade. For example, a broadsword is meant for chopping, not cutting. As such, it is much heavier and can deliver a lot more force, and since the blade is thicker and heavier, it will be stronger. It’s meant to ‘chop’ through Chain Mail and deliver as much damage as possible. Katana’s on the other hand are meant for speed, finesse and raw damage. Agianst chain mail, a Katana isn’t going to do much, and a Broadsword would defiantly be the weapon of choice. However, against raw flesh, the Katana will always come out on top. (I don’t care what Spikes’ Deadliest Warrior says. Flesh is far different then Ballistics Gel. Consider the Spartan vs. Ninja, that Katana variant sliced the pig in half, far more devastating then the Spartan chopping blade, which appeared to be equal when they brought the weapons upon Ballistics Gel.)

Furthermore, a Katana is diferentially tempered, allowing it to be far more flexible. A well made Katana can be bent to a 90 degree angle (and further) and still spring back without damage. The crystaline edge of a well made Katana is approaching Diamond hardness and the folded blades have even been suggested to contain nano-tubes. Note that Katana forging was held to a much higher degree then the European counterpart.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not attacking European crafted weapons, and to be honest, a European one will last much longer, for broad swords and longswords and such have much better mountings. The mekugi (the tiny pair of wooden pegs that held the blade in place) on a Katana was prone to breaking mid battle and turning the blade into a spinning death machine. The point is that Katanas make a point of being sharp and refined, broadswords are meant to be… well, effective. and nothing else.

soz about the contradiction i remembered the dragon and must of forgotten to erase the first part

My vote’s still for Aragorn. The Movies don’t do him justice. He is over 200 years old by my recolection, and as the King of Gondor he is in a special lineage that has immense power. Did you know that Aragorn can cure the black death that the Nazgul infected Frodo with? Gandalf, a Maiar respects Aragorn’s power, and even Sauron himself fears him. In the original draft of the Return of the King movie, Aragorn was going to face off agianst Sauron! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IAYNYaNCz8

The only reason they didn’t was because they were having difficulty setting up the fight. So the edited out Sauron and put in a rock troll. But having said that, Aragorn blocked a blow from a freaking troll! Remember how strong those things are? Ryu is fast, but I think Aragorn would be able to best him.

yeh that would have been cool

but i cant imagine a rock troll being any stronger than the pic i put up b4 also considering up above was a demon

and there is a difference between being able to survive after blocking the shot and getting a direct hit and just continuing the fight

and i just finished doa4 at ma mates place with him and sore the ending so considering he can cut through an entire helicopter thing i dont think aragorns armor can be any stronger than that

also he can move so fast that it seems as though he is teleporting….but hes not i tested it

so i think it goes to ryu for the super fast attacks that he can do with a sword that can cut through almost anythin and his own personal toughness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucIqztjjdkQ&feature=PlayList&p=E947C153B18706B8&index=63

this is a fight against a greater fiend just one of the many bosses like this

‘He has the protection of the Evenstar”

I have read all the Lord of the Rings Books, saw all the movies, but I have yet to understand what the Evenstar does, beside make good jelewry for Arwen.

“My vote’s still for Aragorn. The Movies don’t do him justice. He is over 200 years old by my recolection, and as the King of Gondor he is in a special lineage that has immense power. ”

During the War of the Ring, Aragorn was in his late 70 – early 80s, though because of his Numerian bloodline, he had the body of a much younger man.

I do wonder, if the Ninja is allowed some form of magic, does have the Army of the Dead under your command (or oath), count as magic? Thanks for all that answer.

- pondering fool

‘The Evenstar helped her stay alive, immortal, in Middle Earth while the rest of the Elves were losing immortality. At least, that’s what I gathered. I believe the reason she gave it to him was to both protect him and to ensure that he lived long enough to come back to her.”

I thought elves were able to stay immortal due to Ilúvatar blessing (or some may say a curse). It could be true though, by the Third Age, the elves could be losing immorality, though I would like some evidence of that (just me being of LOTR fan). I wish though, tolkien was more precise about the benifits of the even star…..

On the matter of magic, is it acceptable for Aragon to have his army of the Undead count as magic? thanks to all that answer

- pondering fool

i think that the army of the dead would count as magic but if not ryu can summon phoenix things and i doubt that either would be allowed anyway because even tho they are summons or whateva they can act on their own so would count as outside help

but if aragorn has an item that makes him immortal that is a huge advantage his way

but if ryu cuts off his head is he still alive?

and if he is does that count as a loss because he is unable to fight?

i still think ryu will win because from what i have seen he usually dismembers the people that he kills in the process of doing so

so it doesnt make him immortal
ok then i think it goes to ryu unless aragorn get in a lucky shot

oh i just watched a doco on sword and it compared a katana to a claymore…im not sure if that what aragorn uses but they used the same person to swing both swords as many times as possible in 10 seconds and they found that for every one swing of the claymore the katana was swung 3 times

i think ryus powers will give him the edge

i’m biased towards Aragorn because i don’t know much about ryu save that he was part of the DOA roster and i didn’t even use him once. baymen was the one i liked.

Aragorn got this, no matter what Ryu can do. Aragorn fought basically a demi-god. That’s how close Sauron was. He taes on all this sh!t, and comes out. Give him Anduril, and Ryu is no match…… Aragorn comes from a line of kings, that are strong beyond comprehension. Aragorn is like King Arthur! I’d like to see Ryu beat Arthur.

Considering that I’ve got The Lord of The Rings:Weapons and Warfare by Chris Smith sitting right in front of me, I think I can make some valid points.

First off, Aragorn never hand mithril. In fact, most of the time he spent as a ranger he had little more than a leather coat. He only wore chainmail and pauldrons at the Black Gates. It should also be noted that chainmail is only partially effective against solid blows, the metal is too soft and thin to stand up to blades.

Second, Aragon’s fighting style was to redirect the attack and counter while his opponent is recovering. Think guard break. Against a normal opponent, this is effective, but Ryu has a wide variety of fast and powerful strikes which are known for removing or shattering limbs. Ryu is also not one to be taken off guard by a simple trick.

And finally, Anduril, much like Narsil, is a five foot long weapon designed to chop through armor. It is far heavier than a katana and more comparable to Nodachis. The swing is therefore slower than a katana, albeit more powerful but since neither combatant is wearing much in terms of armor (Ryu is wearing boil leather) the extra power is wasted.

RYU HANDS DOWN he is the BEST