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considering the two have magis swords and both are kings i probably think that king aragon will win he has fought in bigger wars than king arthur but arthur as very good at fighting i have no idea who will win

nice if “king peter” form narnia were here too

“Numenorean blood you mean, he is the last of the Numenoreans although he was raised by elves and whilst Numenoreans are close to elves they are still men, and always have been.”

My mistake. Could have sworn he was half elf, hense the longer lifespan… ah well

“Secondly, just because a weapon is named doesn’t mean it is magical, just that it is famous.”

Generally true, I’ll concede that

“Thirdly, Aragorn is a King of Gondor, this means he can heal virtually any wound using Kingsfoil.”

And the scabbard of excaliber was said to slow, even stop, the flow of blood from any wound, making the wearing nigh impossible to bring down through attrition.

“Finaly, he was a Ranger of the North and thus is a master of the bow, being able to bring down a deer at range.”

I presume theres more to this… I can bring down a deer at range, especially with a bow, and I’m no master. King Arthur will have plenty of skill with a bow, but with two great swords in the battle I can’t see this coming down to a long range kind of match, especially from the honour POV.

Aragorn has a way bigger kill count then King Arthur.

And if this were an rpg, where you gained exp per kill until you “levelled-up” that would matter.

As it is King Arthur has more experience fighting seasoned warriors, witches and monster, as opposed to Aragorn who was generally against a large number of foes whilst standing next a large (though smaller that the opposing force) group of men, or highly skilled warriors.

Aragorn took on a number of ringwraths, whilst in their weakened state, from a surprise attack, using what was their weakness. Arthur beat Mordred, an impressively armoured knight, in single combat.

When it comes to foe quality, Arthurs got this covered

I was just saying they are both kings with magic swords and Aragorn has killed a few hundread orcs what has Arthur killed.

Merlin vs Gandalf would be a great follow-up to this match.

Not true, he fought for Gondor under an assumed name, leading their armies to many victories until they found out who he was and banished him.

This one is a draw until Aragorn realized this and summoned the oathbreakers.
Excalibur vs Elindil=draw
Neither blade could be broken
both were wielded with unparalleled skill

Aragorn’s archery vs Arthur’s archery=draw both men were primarily melee combatants

Their usual foes aside, Aragorn and Arthur were both excellent warriors, and the fight between them would be long, drawn out, and affected by luck. If Aragorn had the oathbreakers at his disposal, it wouldn’t be a contest, and I don’t think Arthur had anything even remotely close to that vast engine of destruction.

If there is oathbreakers, Aragorn ftw
if there isnt oathbreakers, it is a tie

mmmhh very interesting debate…..very interesting….I feel like I am leaning towards Gondor’s King, but I wouldn’t be suprised if Arthur finds a way to bring down Strider…..in terms of the Armies of the Dead, i find glowing zombie looking men more intimadating than Roman Legions (unless they too were zombie looking….)

- pondering fool

Arthur with his Scabbard is invincible. Soooo….that is pretty much it I guess.

“…..in terms of the Armies of the Dead, i find glowing zombie looking men more intimadating than Roman Legions”

Row upon row of gleaming metal spears coming unstoppably towards you, wileded by some of the finest foot soldiers ever to walk the earth, the shields and armour making it nigh impossible for you to cut even a single man down even while your own men get scythed from their feet.

The Army of the dead would have a more immediate effect, I’ll grant you, but you would fear the Romans more by the end.

“Row upon row of gleaming metal spears coming unstoppably towards you, wileded by some of the finest foot soldiers ever to walk the earth, the shields and armour making it nigh impossible for you to cut even a single man down even while your own men get scythed from their feet.
The Army of the dead would have a more immediate effect, I’ll grant you, but you would fear the Romans more by the end.”

Mmmh hard choice. Maybe if you add the horde of the Mongols and Hannibal Gallic mercenaries as choices…now that would be be a sight to behold…..quite an intimidating one also.

- the pondering fool

“ok king Arthur have Excalibur but Aragorn have the king sword the only sword that can kill an spirit and i think that is powerful than the butter knife from king Arthur”

First of all mate, I agree that I believe Aragorn would win this fight (but by the skin of his teeth). But Excalibur is definitely not a petty trinket. Equally as legendary as Anduril in their respective worlds, Excalibur was attributed with some mystical properties (like not rusting after being held under water by the Lady of the Lake). It does have a similiar “brilliance factor” like Anduril:

“When Excalibur was first drawn, Arthur’s enemies were blinded by its blade, which was as bright as thirty torches.”

“But even as the orc flung down the truncheon and swept out his scimitar, Andúril came down upon his helm. There was a flash like flame and the helm burst asunder. The orc fell with cloven head. Aragorn threw back his cloak. The elven-sheath glittered as he grasped it, and the bright blade of Andúril shone like a sudden flame as he swept it out.”

Just wanted to make sure you weren’t mistaken into thinking that Excalibur is just “a sword”.

- the pondering fool

the completley even, they share almost every aspect, and excalibur isnt a advantage becaus Aragorn has Anduril

You’re a good man Fool. That brings the match back to equal standings. Huzzah for hard to call matches!

“From my view, he has a much powerfull weapon, more enchanted armour and more skills he learnt from the Elves and the Rangers.”

Their weapons are, at minimum, equal, if not giving a little extra advantage to Arthur, whose weapon clove through solid plate mail with ease and took off the limbs of giants with a single swing.

Armour-wise, Arthur had his much loved Scabbard of Invunerability which healed him of all wounds at a mere touch. His training wasn’t with elves or rangers, it was with knights, men of noble birth who strove their whole lives in the art of warfare and politics. Arthur was the greatest of them all, able to best any of his knights (and one of his knights did manage to beat an immortal guy, twice)

As for allies… He had the knights of the round table. The majority of them were at the very least lordlings, and at least two were kings in their own right. All of them were physically impressive and had a great many men to call on. Lancelot and Galahad were both capable of stopping scores of men singlehandedly, (Like father like son and all that) and the others were similarly paragons of knightly strengths.

In total, there were around 50 Knights of the round, plus armies and the sundry knights who were merely named, with no exploits known.

The pathbreakers are morally destructive, but the knights of the round are not mere men, and have faced the undead before. That these undead don’t fight back would be welcomed.

“Aragorn has a MUCH better army at his side. As the Elves cannot die of old age so their are loads of Warriors who will fight who have been alive for hundreds of years.”

The Elves get to join in? Why, they aren’t part of Aragorns army, and by time he became king they had all left the world.

Same with the dwarves, hobbits, ents, eagles, rohirrim… I can see some small number of each race joining because they owe Aragorn, but the majority would class as outside help, because they are completely unconnected to Aragorn.

“They can also use the Powers Of Nature, like what Arewen uses in when the Ringwraiths follow her and Frodo to Rivendell, ”

Magic should stay clear of this match. The Knights are immune to witchcraft and magic, and are sworn to destroy those who misuse it. Merlin makes damn sure of that.

“Elves also have Rings Of Power what add to their magic weilding abilities.”

Three elves… or was it five,… have rings of power, and Galadriel wouldn’t bother coming to the defense of Aragorn over such a small battle. She didn’t join in agaisnt Sauron, why would she against another Human king?

“Also I doubt that Excalibur is more powerful than a sword what cut off Saurons fingers, what is like dried lava times 10 strong.”

Arthurs sword cut through steel, stone (rather famously in fact), giant bones, dragonskin…. I don’t think penetration will be an issue.

“And Aragorn’s armour … has been enchanted by the Elves to help heal Aragron if he is injured.”

And Arthur has Excaliber’s Scabbard, which does the same thing.

“If its an army, I say Aragon has the advantage, as like i’ve said, has the backing of the Dwarf’s, Elves, etc. The Rohirrim and Dundeen Rangers would be part of his army anyway.”

I think, army wise, its quite the opposite. Arthur has thirty or fourty kingdoms to draw on when it comes to men, all of whom bring Knights of legend. Plus, many of his knights are protected by a god (Technically THE God, but as he is not allowed in factpile matches, we’ll say a god for now) who does tend to actually manifest aide. Such as smiting those who’d harm his knights and resurrecting those few truly faithful who fall. Galahad was said to be the greatest knight, immune to the weapons of man. Lancelot was unbested in any pursuit of war. Plus they have that Holy Grail.

“I think, army wise, its quite the opposite. Arthur has thirty or fourty kingdoms to draw on when it comes to men, all of whom bring Knights of legend. Plus, many of his knights are protected by a god (Technically THE God, but as he is not allowed in factpile matches, we’ll say a god for now) who does tend to actually manifest aide. Such as smiting those who’d harm his knights and resurrecting those few truly faithful who fall. Galahad was said to be the greatest knight, immune to the weapons of man. Lancelot was unbested in any pursuit of war. Plus they have that Holy Grail.”

Well mate, those 30 to 40 kingdoms, or more like fiefdoms in medieval or post-roman Britannia. They are not exactly giant kingdoms, more likely feudal Barons owing allegiance to their king (who is quite badass by the way). While the knights of the round table are very skilled at warfare, and most having pious lives, they are still, at the bottom line, man. Aragorn, is not “super-human” per say, but his linage and those of most Gondorians are that of Numenor. Unlike Aragorn though, most Gondorians have been mixed with the common man of Middle Earth (which later causes the Kin Strife). Also, the elves never leave completely after the Third Age. There is still a strong kingdom in Greenwood (i.e. Mirkwood)under the rule of Legolas’ father “Thranduil”. Known as the Silvan Elves, they maintained a strong love for Middle Earth and did not depart to the West like their Noldor and Sindar brethren.

- the pondering fool

“Arthurs sword cut through steel, stone (rather famously in fact), giant bones, dragonskin…. I don’t think penetration will be an issue.”

So can Aragorns sword. Re-forged by the Elves, what added to its power, Aragorns sword is probably, more or less, equal to Excalibur so in a 1 on 1 cagematch its equal.

Lets figure out which versions we’re using as sapper said. Aragorn is pretty easy to decide. We use the Lord of the Rings book version, rather than the movies or games.

Now Arthur is a different matter all together. Do we use the one from the (generally agreed) first legends, or the later additions, or one of the series’s it spawned, or any number of the movies both animated and live action, or the series…

I know my preference, but thats only because I want Arthur to win and I don’t the writer is on the site enough. Lets use Gemmell’s version :p