Suggested by Tim
Very cool match here. For this battle we are looking at speed and maneuverability. If you want to include the pilots, I think the match gets very lopsided towards Anakin.
Which machine would you choose?
Suggested by Tim
Very cool match here. For this battle we are looking at speed and maneuverability. If you want to include the pilots, I think the match gets very lopsided towards Anakin.
Which machine would you choose?
November 3, 2009
#1
Thanks for suggesting this admin. I think this would be a great race to watch but I would probably put my money on The Blue Falcon as it’s faster, more durable, can boost and is probably easier to drive. I also think that Captain Falcon would probably be a bit better driver than Anakin as he is more experianced and practices more, although Anakin does have the force and is very talented at podracing so it would still be very close.
November 3, 2009
#2
If I do recalll, Anakin’s Force-sensative status is what allows him to pilot a podracer at such a young age with such raw skill. Therefore, I do believe that Anakin coluld beat Capt. Falcon in said race unless some crash or other incident occurs.
November 3, 2009
#3
Anakin’s Podracer has a max speed of 947 km/h.
Unassisted by boost, the Blue Falcon can reach speeds of approximately 1000 km/h.
November 3, 2009
#4
Perhaps something like the “incident” that occurs in this video between 1:08 and 1:12?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56P3-TwuRBo
November 3, 2009
#5
where would the match take place
November 3, 2009
#6
Oh, and I forgot to mention the figures I got for the Blue Falcon are taken from F-Zero GX gameplay.
November 3, 2009
#7
blue falcon has this.better top speed better durability and perhaps better driver.F-zero racing courses are in some cases more extreme then the course anakin raced on and falcon is the master of those courses since afterall hes the champ.
November 3, 2009
#8
The blue falcon for sure…
Doesnt Anakin quote his podracer as being the fastest ever?
and isnt the race depicted in SW Episode 1 the first he finished???
Blue Falcon FTW
November 3, 2009
#9
How do you know the Blue Falcon has better durability? Almost no universes have any materials stronger than what Star Wars can offer (ALMOST being the key word there)
November 3, 2009
#10
Because Podracers can break due to minor impacts, whereas F-Zero machines can take quite serious amounts of punisment(such as a full on crash at top speed).
November 3, 2009
#11
Anything that can tank a crash at 1000km/h get’s my vote.
November 3, 2009
#12
“Anything that can tank a crash at 1000km/h get’s my vote.
Same here.
November 4, 2009
#13
I go for Falcon all the way. Plus it is faster and has better durability.
November 4, 2009
#14
@Baron
Don’t you hate it when people miss the point of your argument.
Speed matters not when the Force is in play and depending on the terrain. Nothing moves at a constant speed in a straight line meaning it is open for either vehicle since the speed seems to range between 950 and 1000 km/ph that being said the vehicles are only as good as the pilots in them and the materials that make them and although Anakin’s racer is a mess of junk who can say that his salvaged craftsmanship is weaker then the Blue Falcon.
@Sapper007
“…and isnt the race depicted in SW Episode 1 the first he finished???”
Funny you omit the fact that Sebulba is the sole reason Anakin never finished, did that whole idea slip your mind or did the part of the movie where he either sabotaged vehicles or just ran them off the track skip your mind.
November 4, 2009
#15
Blue Falcon. Better materials, speed, and pilot.
November 4, 2009
#16
“Anakin’s Podracer has a max speed of 947 km/h.
Unassisted by boost, the Blue Falcon can reach speeds of approximately 1000 km/h.”
all valid, but wouldn’t Anakin’s precog make up for this, i.e. normally you slow down around corners and such, but he’d already know….uh….something about what’s ahead, and adjust before hand, gaining those vital miliseconds…
November 4, 2009
#17
“all valid, but wouldn’t Anakin’s precog make up for this, i.e. normally you slow down around corners and such, but he’d already know….uh….something about what’s ahead, and adjust before hand, gaining those vital miliseconds…”
That would also depend on the course they’re racing on.
I’m not sure if it’s Tatooine or Mute City or what have you.
November 4, 2009
#18
Couldn’t Cpt Falcon just crash into Anakin’s pod, and win that way? It doesn’t seem to be the most durable of racing vehicles.
November 4, 2009
#19
Precog…its a wonderful thing ey
November 4, 2009
#20
precog isn’t absolute and if Falcon plays his cards right, he might as well force Anakin into a situation where even if he knows what is going to happen, he cannot do anything to prevent it without losing ground (i.e. if they are toe-toe going into a tight canyon, Anakin might know that Falcon could ram him in the canyon and thus either goes in anyway and dies, or intentionally slows down behind falcon during the canyon, where Falcon can gain ground).
November 4, 2009
#21
This is also filed under mecha, and all mecha battles are contests between the machines themselves and NOT the Pilots. Factpile rules. It’s not necessarily who would win in a race, Anakin Skywalker or Captain Falcon, it’s which machine would you rather be in for a race, Anakin’s Home Built Poderacer or Captain Falcon’s marvel of technology, the Blue Falcon.
Given that, I’d take the Blue Falcon anyday.
November 4, 2009
#22
His precog wouldnt help him that much…. considered it didnt help him realize that a critter busted his pod seconds before a race…
(which omitted my mind…) must have been a mind trick…
the pod is “putu” (quote from star wars) “ha ha ha”
Falcon FTW
November 4, 2009
#23
me and epic thought of this, and he may have suggested this, but what if mc tried to hijack the blue falcon?
November 4, 2009
#24
@wtf bomber
I just told you at school.
November 5, 2009
#25
How tight can the Blue Falcon turn? I don’t recall it being exactly manuverable in F-Zero, then again it wasn’t up to the 1000 km/h mark yet either. I know it could pull fairly tight turns, but the pod is capable of pulling 90 degree turns at high speed, preforming rampless barrel rolls, and of course tilting on its side.
Durability goes to the Blue Facon unquestionably. Pods break up at the slightest error and sometimes even before then. They are unrealiable machines, which is why they have internal compensating systems, redundant backups, and power trasfer abilities. F-Zero racers use G-Diffusers, one of the most powerful gravity altering parts in all of Nintendodom. After watching a few vids of F-Zero GX, I’m not too surprised to see the racers flying as much as they are driving; they use the same tech as StarFox’s Arwing space superiority fighters after all.
Do A Barrel Roll!
November 6, 2009
#26
“This is also filed under mecha, and all mecha battles are contests between the machines themselves and NOT the Pilots”
Valid, but admin posted
“If you want to include the pilots, I think the match gets very lopsided towards Anakin”
so, its up to us to include the pilots or not. to be fair, i say we do, lest we end up debateless
November 7, 2009
#27
Pilots?Falcon leaps out of his cockpit and is treated with a nice Falcon Punch:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw
November 7, 2009
#28
Bah.
Meant to put Anakin is treated with.I am sure you guys will get it though.
November 7, 2009
#29
Podracers were meant to be as chaotic and inherently unstable as possible, deliberately eschewing even a repulsorlift mounted ejection seat to offer as little protection to the pilot in exchange for sheer thrills and spills alone.
In the novelization they even mention that most of the pilots compete off the track to construct the most bizarre and haphazard racers physically possible; By’t Distombe even mentions quite casually to the young Anakin that under any circumstance in which the pod is displaced, the backwash from his engines would boil any organism alive.
These vehicles are far from safe, stable or reliable.
November 7, 2009
#30
So…you’re saying safe is better than chaotic engines of death? Or are you enlightening us? Either way…hey…whatever man….you know…
That point on manuverability actually blew my mind…podracers are highly manuverable…but are falcons?
November 7, 2009
#31
When has been being cooked alive by your own engine an advantage in vehicular design? The primary goal of engineers everywhere is to make a device or operating system efficient, utilitarian and SAFE.
A Fighter Jet capable of outracing every other competitor by an order of magnitude would be useless in a war if the average survival rate of the pilot was only 50%, or required five times as much maintenance and resources as a vastly cheaper model (I call this the principle of Nazi engineering), likewise a Podracer is specifically designed to be chaotic, haphazard, lethal to handle, have a far lower survival rate (only a handful of pilots survived the race in TPM) and explode brilliantly on impact. It’s a fusion powered rocket chariot for crying out loud.
They have as a much utilitarian functionality and as much thought put into their engineering as the USS Enterprise; flashy, pointlessly aesthetics, dangerous to handle and they both explode brilliantly at the slightest tap, thus they are used in illegal blood sports and are therefore as roadworthy as monster trucks.
November 7, 2009
#32
Did you say fission reactors? Unstable ones? Well hotdang if it came to it, a nuclear detonation would be in order…i doubt if even the legendary blue falcon could survive that…assured mutual destruction
November 7, 2009
#33
Sam, haven’t you seen the first movie? There are no nuclear explosions when the pods break.
November 7, 2009
#34
They use fusion powered rockets, not fission.
Fission involves taking a large atom (such as uranium or plutonium) and hitting it with a neutron to “split” it, causing a volatile and unpredictable release of energy within an extremely short scale of time, thus you have nuclear explosions generated by modern fissile material.
Fusion is the opposite – it involves very small atoms, usually hydrogen, and using extreme pressure and heat to force them together into a larger one (helium), in turn producing greater levels of controllable energy over a stabilized period of time. Whilst a fission engine may experience catalytic detonations similar to smaller (more sporadic) detonations, It is extremely difficult to maintain a fusion reaction, and it requires an enormous input of energy to do so. In fact, thermonuclear weapons must use a nuclear fission bomb in order to cause the fusion reaction. The Sun must use enormous pressure (from gravity) to compress plasma to many times the density of lead. Why would these conditions intensify on their own if the reactor is damaged or dispersed into the environment, when the biggest engineering hurdle to nuclear fusion is achieving them in the first place?
So no, a fusion powered Podracer wouldn’t explode.
November 7, 2009
#35
My bad, i thought that said fission…damn, and here i was,all happy that all those chemistry classes last year were about to pay off…
@L-W
would it be more practical to power a vehicle with fission or fusion, if radiation can be eliminated, and containment was “cheap”. I’m asking because apparently, that weasel Master Chief has a fission reactor in his backpack…the nerve of some people…
November 7, 2009
#36
Fusion reactions have an energy density many times greater than nuclear fission; the reactions produce far greater energies per unit of mass even though individual fission reactions are generally much more energetic than individual fusion ones, which are themselves millions of times more energetic than chemical reactions.
Other than that, fusion produces less waste, is generally safer, has too many chemically responsive redundancies to achieve supercriticality and matter such as Deuterium can be stored as inert compounds in larger quantities at greater densities.
It just makes sense.
November 7, 2009
#37
“Other than that, fusion produces less waste, is generally safer, has too many chemically responsive redundancies to achieve supercriticality and matter such as Deuterium can be stored as inert compounds in larger quantities at greater densities.
It just makes sense.”
Sorry if I sound ignorant, because I probably am on this matter. But if fussion is so much better than fission, why do we still use fission-type reactors? Maybe I am thinking of something else, but just wondering why they have not used that technology yet? Is it cost or just we don’t have technology yet? Thanks if you end my ignorance mate, and have a pleasant day.
- the pondering fool
November 7, 2009
#38
By modern standards, the technology to generate, supply and maintain a fusion energy plant is simply too far off from becoming a practical reality for at least a century. In fact our modern fusion reactors require more energy to initiate the fusion of hydrogen molecules than the subsequent reaction releases, making them rather pointless until we devise a sure fire method of safely compressing mass to star like densities.
November 7, 2009
#39
“By modern standards, the technology to generate, supply and maintain a fusion energy plant is simply too far off from becoming a practical reality for at least a century. In fact our modern fusion reactors require more energy to initiate the fusion of hydrogen molecules than the subsequent reaction releases, making them rather pointless until we devise a sure fire method of safely compressing mass to star like densities.”
First, thanks for answering my question. Second, tis unfortunate that we have not reach that level of efficiency yet……guess old fission will have to do….
- the pondering fool
November 7, 2009
#40
Indeed, thanks L-W. So with Fusion reactors, one would basically be making a mini sun? And fission reactors are basically making mini atom bombs? How in fuck do you contain that? My chemistry sucks, but my common sense tells me you can’t contain that much power, for either case.
November 7, 2009
#41
Podracers have a tendancy to fall apart pretty easily.
November 7, 2009
#42
So unless Anakin can both beat Falcon in a race and avoid even the slightest bump from the blue falcon, I think the blue falcon takes this with ease.
November 8, 2009
#43
This really isn’t a legitimate vehicle comparison anyway. One is a utilitarian combat vehicle intended to ensure the survival of the pilot, the other is an explosive death sport rocket powered open top chariot intended to be as unstable as possible.
This is like comparing an F-22 to the annual Bird Man contestants.
November 8, 2009
#44
I’ve always liked the Bird man contests…..For the fails and for the Lulz.
November 8, 2009
#45
Me too, every year I hold my breath to see an aspiring engineer spit at gravity for even a few seconds.
November 8, 2009
#46
Those crazy gravity defying bastards.
November 8, 2009
#47
The F-Zero machines are designed for racing, if they were meant for combat then they would be armed. However they are good enough to be used in dangerous situations as Captain Falcon uses his when he’s bounty hunting.
Also the F-Zero races are designed to be dangerous too(although the machines are more far more durable then podracers), not only are the courses often very difficult but they can even have built-in obstacles including explosive mines!
November 8, 2009
#48
“Also the F-Zero races are designed to be dangerous too(although the machines are more far more durable then podracers), not only are the courses often very difficult but they can even have built-in obstacles including explosive mines!”
Except those are variables presented in the course itself, and have little or nothing to do with the structural stability of the vehicle; as I said:
Utilitarian military vehicle > Open top rocket powered chariot
November 8, 2009
#49
I definetly agree with you that the F-Zero machines are far superior to pod-racers I’ve thought that from the start, I was just stating that both sports are dangerous, and that F-Zero machines are for racing not combat.
November 8, 2009
#50
“I definetly agree with you that the F-Zero machines are far superior to pod-racers I’ve thought that from the start, I was just stating that both sports are dangerous, and that F-Zero machines are for racing not combat.”
Except F-Zero races aren’t punctuated by the inherent flaws, instability and absurd engineering of a Podracer.
November 8, 2009
#51
It was still an interesting match, comparing two very different universes “gladiator” style racing events.
It’s just in F-Zero we have good vehicles on crazy tracks
and in Star Wars we have bad vehicles on crazy tracks.
Although I am surprised to find the top speeds so close.
November 8, 2009
#52
“and in Star Wars we have bad vehicles on crazy tracks.”
Exactly, would you want to be sat in an unarmoured open topped car being towed at near mach 1 speeds behind two humongous fusion powered engines with only a small seat belt for protection?
No wonder Anakin turned to the dark side so quickly, he must have been clinically insane in the first place.
November 9, 2009
#53
“Exactly, would you want to be sat in an unarmoured open topped car being towed at near mach 1 speeds behind two humongous fusion powered engines with only a small seat belt for protection?
No wonder Anakin turned to the dark side so quickly, he must have been clinically insane in the first place.”
LOL that’s what I’ve often thought about podracing, no wonder the Empire banned it. Whereas I might actually have a go at some of the easier F-Zero courses.
November 9, 2009
#54
“Whereas I might actually have a go at some of the easier F-Zero courses.”
I mean if they were real obviously.
March 3, 2010
#55
@Guest your wrong, I’ve played F-ZERO GX and the highest speed it can reach without boosts is around 1200 km/h, so the Blue Falcon holds the advantage, and still I’m relatively sure the Blue Falcon would be much more endurable.