Okay, then i will repaeat my nomination for Alucard.

Well, what if Alucard enters Saurons mind at the same time? Alucard can to that crap too. And he can flow in and out of the mental plane at will, if Sauron enters and Alucard don’t like it, he’ll move himself to another place Sauron cannot follow.

Alucard is also, in many respects, a god. One with no real weakness, unlike Sauron.

Yup, he does. But whereas the powers originally resided in the little cat boy that was Scrodinger, they now rest with the master of all vampires. And he was an accomplished mind reader even before getting his hands on Scrodinger.

Saurons own powers don’t exactly scream “winz!” against Alucard.

He still doesn’t scare me, and Alucard is just laughing.

Broke the minds of men, elves and dwarves? Alucards mind is stronger than those fellas. Plus he’s psychotic, it takes time to make him see a point he’s not interested in.

Forced the dead to rise again? Alucard is undead himself, and specialze in taking out other undead. Not to mention he could easily make his own army of Ghouls if he wanted to.

Kill men with a glance? Alucard is immune, and can do the same. He’s powerful enough to lift up and move planes with telekinesis, so killing a man should be little hassle.

Clove through armies in single blows? Alucard has absorbed 3 million souls. And he doesn’t even absorb everyone he kills. And then he killed all those souls a second time later. Not to mention he could easily take out all humanity himself, even without his Schrodinger powers.

I don’t underestimate the immortal that is Sauron. However, i don’t underestimate the double immortal that is Alucard. He has not met his match because he can move his own mind away if someone try to mess with it, or he can simply decide he doesn’t want his mind to be breakable. If he does, it won’t be breakable. With only magic and melee combat left to use, Alucard wins.

Last, how long you have broken minds is irrelevant. Alucards mind won’t fall and Alucard breaks people physically and mentally at the same time. And he can simply say “i want to be able to do whatever i want to any mind” and then he CAN do whatever he wants! Alucard could even just become Sauron. Saurons will and power is replaced by Alucards own. ROFLSTOMP in other words.

I’m sorry, but i am not the one who needs to face Saurons power. He is strong, but his greatest assets are fear, scheming plus intellectual and corrupting brilliance. But you need to face the virtually unlimited power Alucard sits on. Nothing short of true omnipotence is guaranteed to bring this guy down.

Double immortal. Master Vampire immune to anti vamp means is one way of immortality, Schrodingers powers are another. Okay, his vampiric nature isn’t true immortality, but it’s pretty darn close.

He is. Schrodinger. Tell me, can you even read? This particular thing was clear enough, wasn’t it?

That is not the main argument. I merely said double immortal to across the point that he basically got two ways of being immortal. But it’s clear i should have kept my mouth shut and merely said immortal. So forget all about that, it’s not very relevant anyway. Schrodinger wins this.

Schrodinger = Schrodingers quantum reality manipulation, the power in Alucards arsenal. That seriously ain’t too hard to understand if you think about it. Forgetting to add “powers” doesn’t equal epic fail. I just thought it was easy enough to understand. Apparently it wasn’t.

Okay, now prove me a fanboy. Give me one GOOD, VALID reason as to how Sauron wins this? Alucard can mess up reality itself just as easy as he can walk, so Sauron needs to have some VERY hard backup plan i’ve never heard of the get out of this. Like, putting Eru Illuvatar to the task of seeing of Alucard. Like that’ll ever happen.

Christ, you haven’t readen all of it, fine. I’ll tell you why.

First, he is a dead, soulless Vampire, which grants some natural resitence to this. Second, he got one hell of a strong mind. Third, he’s psychopatic. While not making him immune it does make sure getting anything through to him is hard. Fourth, he is also a master of mind games. Fifth, he can move his whole mind one way and sauron the other, meaning Sauron cannot actually enter it without one hell of a struggle.

Sixth, Alucards powers in genral far surpasses those of Sauron. Hence sauron is going to get raped. And while all of this might sound like something a random, braindead fanboy might throw around, it’s still very much the truth.

Remember, altering reality includes the mental realm. He’s one tough nut to crack.

Okay.

Soulless and dead protects because there is no soul to seduce, no soul to tempt and no body to please. And there is no fragile soul that can easily be broken, only a monsters ego. And ego is a very hard thing to overcome, really.

He has a strong mind in that he never care. He follows his own agenda utterly, and has never been swayed from it. This might all sound weak, but such persons in real life are very hard to deal mental blows to. So even if the attacker is Sauron, some extra difficulty is nonetheless gonna increase the time needed to mold that mind.

Being psycho may do that, true. But it also locks your mind completely. I once tried to talk to a man having several mental illness. Yes, his mind was about as consistant as Italys governments, but making him change his mind was damn near difficult. Since i couldn’t leave(the guy with the car visited someone there) i tried to convince him that an apple ain’t an orange. We discussed for over an hour before he didn’t laugh at the notion, and I never convinced him. Bottom line: hard stuff to overcome. Should be a cakewalk once you broken his mental defence, though.

In a comment given by the author he states that Alucard is one of the best mind manipulators out there, he only prefers to go physically these days.

I mean that Schrodinger could enter you at a mental plane and stay there, with utter control over it. This means Alucard can remove Sauron from his mind, or remove his mind and place it somewhere else. If it works anything like other forms of his manipulation, Sauron cannot overcome it.

He cannot blink out Sauron(he can do whatever he wants with himself, he hasn’t that kind of power over others.), but he can just kill the guy and hurl the Ring into the sun. Like this:

Alucard: “Haha, ur weak. But wtf do u wear a RING on the outside of your armor? Lemme look at it…”
‘picks up ring’
Alucard: “This sucks, no fun at all…hey, ur trying to mess with me mind? Don’t deny it you fool, i can read that near-corpses thoughts! Ur going down!
*declares himself immune to vacuum and the energy of a star. teleports to the sun, drop the ring and teleport back*
Alucard: “HAHA, OWNED! Try getting it back now!

Whacko has one hell of a point Sapper

1. Most souless creatures are impossible to control especially when raised in the service of another or themselves. D&D give perfect examples of this and I can give you more if you want.

2. He has a strong mind because he is both an undead with centuries of experience and he’s a psionic. To be a psionic you have to have infinitely stronger mind them others because if not

a. Your mind will be overpowered by others thoughts driving you insane
b. Trying to move objects past the limit of your mind will break it. The stronger the mind th heavier the object. And Alucard can move planes with his mind.

3. Not true at all. It depends entirely on the mental disorder. Alucard is both a sociopath and a masochist. Such people tend to be serial killers and serial killers are found to be very intelligent people especially sociopaths. Plus being in the mind of a psycopath is a very painfull experience. The proof of that you can easily find in Starcraft fluff.

4. You’ve got this point. Alucard likes to taunt when he killing and most of the time they hardly live long enough to be broken.

5. He must mean astral projection. I’ll assume you know what that is.

6. He can still destroy the ring with it as well. He can simply read Sauron’s mind, figure out how to destroy it, and teleport it directly into the fires of the volcano. Or he can launch it into outerspace forever depriving Sauron of its power thus leaving him weak.

You have emotions mixed with instincts.

Matapioko is correct here emotion is mixed with instinct. Fear is one of natures most prevelent emotion. Mixed with our instinct of self-preservation you get many different results including violence and paranioa. This was said to be very prevelnt in Lion El’Johnson according to Astelan in the book Angels of Darkness.

Okay since your a complete dumbass i will make it simple… since i dont have crayons i will explain Barney/Big Bird style…

First you say he doesnt care about anything, doesnt feel anything has no emotions… then you say
“He’s grown fond over them” (refering to hellsing)
then i point out he cares about some little girl… and you say he cares about her opinion??? and in the same breath you say he doesnt…

Then you say
“he can remove sauron from his mind”
but then you say he…
“he hasn’t that kind of power over others”

power to do so or not… his mind was linked the palanitir(think of it like a doorway) and was still unreadable… except for what he was looking at when they connected…

so yes… your arguement does contradict itself…

and with the Epic fail… you are the epitomy of whats wrong with this world… you go into a mental institution and fuck with a patient? what the hell is the matter with you? and for what? your amusement? pass the time?

I bet you felt right at home in that place…

no wonder you like Anime/Magna… freak…

“Okay since your a complete dumbass i will make it simple… since i dont have crayons i will explain Barney/Big Bird style…”

Get going.

“First you say he doesnt care about anything, doesnt feel anything has no emotions… then you say
“He’s grown fond over them” (refering to hellsing)
then i point out he cares about some little girl… and you say he cares about her opinion??? and in the same breath you say he doesnt…”

He doesn’t feel others opinions. He is utterly oblivious to them. When he do answer them he does because he is bored. But he can still care for Seras, as that is another thing entirely. And i never said he cares for er opinions, he cares for her body and mind. Growing fond and giving no shit about opinions and what they say are two very different things.

“Then you say
“he can remove sauron from his mind”
but then you say he…
“he hasn’t that kind of power over others”

Yeah, i did. Because removing Sauron from his mind is altering his own existence in a way that denies Saurons access. Blinking out Sauron is directly putting power on him, and that doesn’t work. See the difference?

“power to do so or not… his mind was linked the palanitir(think of it like a doorway) and was still unreadable… except for what he was looking at when they connected…”

Well, he has two ways of doing this. Either use mind reading(which might not work) or simply jump into Saurons elemental plane and look for what he wants to find. Even if Saurons mind is different from humans, his elemental plane should at worst prove inaccesible. If that happens, Alucard simply changes into all he knows and lets of a bang. Or grab Sauron and in this way drop him into the Sun, as i mentioned earlier. It’s gonna be the Dark LOrds loss anyhow.

“so yes… your arguement does contradict itself…”

No sir, you just gotta understand the nature of Alucard.

“and with the Epic fail… you are the epitomy of whats wrong with this world… you go into a mental institution and fuck with a patient? what the hell is the matter with you? and for what? your amusement? pass the time?”

So…I…fucked a patient…yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense. No, a relative visited someone and i was in the car and had lots of time, nothing to do. Could just as well go there. Some of them are rather clear, after all, there’s just small details that sees them stay.

“I bet you felt right at home in that place…”

Correct. Everyone was damn nice, so i felt welcomed. That could make me feel at home in Sahara.

“no wonder you like Anime/Magna… freak…”

Only manga, thanks. I’ve seen some anime an it’s generally poor. And I and the millions of other freaks couldn’t care less about your opinion on that.

There ya go. A counter to all you said.

this would be an awesome fight. cosmic-horror style alucard versus sauron…

but sauron would win. people have said that alucard is fond of and somewhat proficient at mindrape, having been doing it some 500 years. sauron, by contrast, existed before existence, helped create existence, then turned bad and spent the next (absolute minimum) few hundred thousand years being an epic evil bastard and doing all the things alucard can do. the ring only increases his power…and he is a master of dissembling; if he can act as morgoths spy in the camp of the *gods* without being caught (this being up till morgoth topples the lamps illuin…and the other one), then he can withstand what psychic mind-rape alucard can dish out; simply put, alucard aint gonna learn how to destroy the ring from sauron, who is the only one with the knowledge in this circumstance.

dont get me wrong, alucard is all kinds of epic badassitude…but he is not a god. sauron is.

first off the only way to destroy sauron is to cut the ring off with a legendary sword. but alucard would only get smacked in the face trying to remove it.

Sauron is like a Dnd god and a god in dnd can be defeated by a character at level 20 or above i think alucard is way beyons level 20 and is practically a demigod in his own right he have a change killing a god although to totally kill a god tree are condition sauron is to destroy the ring. chances are if he get to kill sauron he will take the place of Sauron dont think he will like that

… I don’t know about this, I think Sauron is maybe one of vary few characters that could defeat Alucard, seeing as his greatest strength is Alucards only weakness…

+1 nom for Alucard

For the record, Sauron uses magic, not Science. Being a Maia, it’s possible that Sauron would be able to affect Alucard in ways that are totally inconceivable to Alucard at the time, if his powers are indeed quantum based.

Don’t know a whole lot about the fellow admittedly.