Advantage Legolas.

Elves are natually more agile then men and tend to be more mindful of their surroundings. This counteracts Altairs primary assests, stealth, agility, and close range combat.

Hmm, If Legolas doesn’t kow what Altair looks like, theres nothing to stop Altair sneaking up behind him and gutting him like a fish, afterall… Altair will be a part of the crowd. Legolas will be the lone wolf inhabiting the roof tops, presumable he’d stand out quite a bit, seeing as people don’t tend to hang out on roofs. In addition, Altair can easily scale vertical srufaces such as walls, and with throwing knifes I’m going for the assassin here.

“Please folks don’t give me that crap that Elves are superior to man crap. If it can bleed it can be killed.”

Agreed. Altair bleeds too though so thats not an overly useful statement

“Hmm, If Legolas doesn’t kow what Altair looks like, theres nothing to stop Altair sneaking up behind him and gutting him like a fishafterall… Altair will be a part of the crowd. Legolas will be the lone wolf inhabiting the roof tops, presumable he’d stand out quite a bit seeing as people don’t tend to hang out on roofs”

Well that never seemed to make anyone notice Altair. And Guards were always on the rooftops.

“In addition, Altair can easily scale vertical surfaces such as walls, and with throwing knifes I’m going for the assassin here”

Movie-legolas scaled an Mumakil very swiftly indeed. Book wise Legolas is the most agile, and strongest of the fellowship (Because Tolkien was an elf fan-boy)

The only advantage Altair has is that as a trained assassin he has contacts who may be able to point him in the right direction. If legolas is on the rooftops, he’ll notice someone coming up on him.

Altair wins this if he can surprise Legolas, but… I doubt he can.

Wow. “If it can bleed it can be killed”. That’s quite possibly the most ridiculous statement I’ve ever heard. Not do to the honesty fo statment- in all respecs it is very true, but more to the situation in which it is used.
I’ll liken The Assassin to a Navy SEAL- tough, good at his job, better than your average soldier by far and skilled at combat. Now, Legolas is more like a sentient rhino with an (human) IQ of around 240, covered in reactive armor and toting 6 rocket launchers with infinite ammunition. Sure rhinos bleed, but the two are rediculously different. One is quite obviously fiction, abd the other is a rhino covered in bazookas

Now, that’s not to say Legolas won’t die. He certainly could. But you forget that Legolas has centuries more experience fighting everything from human Assassins to Balrogs. He excels at situational awareness, can (and has) blocked arrows with a sword. (Only knives I know) *And* he can do things with a bow that you I couldn’t do in 1000 years no matter the training. Plus he is stronger, faster, quieter, lighter, less easily distracted, less needful of sleep and sustenance, more in unison with nature and more agile than your average human.
I guess the only thing that is not going his way is that he’s a fucking blonde, and he has pointy ears. He doesn’t exactly fit in with the locals

“If it can bleed it can be killed.”

Wow seems to me nobody got what I was going at. I was quoting a line from Predator which a hunter of superior skills from space was hunting a group of elite troops and was killed by Arnold Schwarzenegger. Which in the film was getting his ass kick by the Predator and only he won was because Arnold outsmarted the Predator. Like Altairn will outsmart Legolas in the same fashion.

So I am sorry to those who are too damn serious and to quote another movie and I’m not going to tell what movie it’s from “Why So Serious”

Legolas will win based on the same reasons we listed on why he bested MC in the Legolas vs Master Chief match. But for all intents and purposes I’ll list those reasons again.

1. Legolas is an elf which makes him stronger, faster, smarter, more perceptive, and have an affinity with magic.

2. This perticular elf is Legolas who is around 2000 years old and is an elven ranger trained in the Merkwood. Believe me when I say its highly unlikely Altair would sneak up on or even get close to Legolas. And even he did manage to get close there’s no way for him to defeat him in melee for same reasons listed in #1

3. Legolas has multiple magical abilities at his command which include, homing arrows, fire and lightning enchanted arrows, and can create shockwaves of fire and lightning.

4. He has superior weapons to altair being his blades and arrow tips are maid of mithral which is considerably more durable then iron.

5. Lastly Legolas has almost unerring accuracy with his bow. To be put plainly if he sees Altair then Altair is a dead man. Why? because if Legolas can take down flying creatures with a single shot and we have even concluded that he can take down the infamous MC then Altair simply has no chance here.

If neither of them know what the other looks like then how would they know to kill each other, they might get talking and become great friends… just an idea.

oh and i’d like to see Alitar try to pull off the mumakil move from the films.

Altair has the homefield advantage

Another way the battle can be fought is that Legolas is in the middle of the market full of people. Then Altair walks up behind him and stab him in the back with his hidden blade. Another reason Altair wins is because surprise is on his side and that the market full of people Legolas’ senses want be as in tune as it would be in the forest. In fact his senses would to clouded do to the mass of people and the smells of people who haven’t taken a bath in a month and other bad smells would overwhelm his senses.

@ midnite marauder
What you are saying is true however it’s in a street full of people than his bow is useless and has to rely on his close quarter combat skills. But again Altair will stab him in the back because Legolas can’t see him coming.

@ Jwlynas
“Ah, I see… Sorry, the paraphrasing threw me off.”
It’s ok it’s more my fraught more than anything I should have know better some folks on his site are too serious and that comment was more directed towards CJ4short than anybody else scents he said it was most ridiculous statement he has ever heard.

@Megaraptor18- I was just listing the advantages Legolas has over Altair which is overwhelming basically. Altair has absolutely no advantage over the elf because he’s just that an elf and Altair is only human with human limitations. But as for the scenario I don’t know how this would work because neither of them know who the other is. But then again both Legolas and Altair stand out like hot girls in a gamer convention. So I gues its whoever spots who first which given the scenario would be Legolas since he’s on the rooftops and has the sight of a eagle and the eagles in LoTR are pretty big. And if Legolas spots him first its over and don’t tell me he would have to use his knives because we all seen what he can do with that bow and I just said he had homing arrows.

@ midnite marauder
With all due respect what you are doing is overestimate Legolas’ abilities and underestimate Altair’s abilities because one is an elf and one is a man. It begs me to go to Predator again the Predators are far superior to humans in every way and yet this far superior hunter can be killed by a weak human by their standards. If you want to see how this fight would goes down watch Predator 2 and image Danny Glover as Altair and the Predator as Legolas. Altair will be bloodied but victorious in the end. Saying this with respects in the future it would be wise not to underestimate the abilities of our own species.

Legolas would probably camp for about 5 minuets to scout out the area, thus giving Altair time to sneak up behind and backstab. Basically Legolas would get raped from behind

@Megaraptor18- You can’t use what happened to the predator as evidence of the course of this match and heres why.

1. The character Dutch was protected by plot armour.

2. Dutch had an entire afternoon to prepare for this encounter with prior knowledge of what he was fighting and said creatures tactics.

3. The predator could have killed him at will but chose not to because he viewed him a worthy opponent and wanted to have a fair fight 1 on 1. Dutch however wasn’t inclined to do so and cheated to win.

4. Lastly and most important the predator in that movie was scripted to die. Had this been an unscripted test of both cgaracters abilites Dutch would have been dead from the moment the mud washed off of him.

All these points have made your post irrelevant as neither 1 knows what the other looks like, there’s no plot armour involved, there’s no pre-battle preperation, and neither 1 will show the other mercy if they have him dead to rights. Head to head Legolas would kill Altair in long range and close range combat. He’s just superior in every way which is the benefit of not having human limitations. But the part that gets my goat is how are they supposed to fight if neither 1 knows what the other looks like so there won’t be any backstabbing or long range bow shots. I wish someone would clarify how this is supposed to work.

Legolas would stick out like a sore thumb. Altair blends in. You do the math.

@Megaraptor18-Relax its just a debate no need to throw in the race shit because its completely different. Legolas is an ELF and was never human to begin with. So saying that saying he’s superior because he’s not human is like saying someones superior to someone else because their black makes absolutely no sense. And yes plot armour kept him alive but it also kept the others alive as well but that also doesn’t matter because just about every main character in the series is superior to Altair and technically Legolas was the best fighter in the group based on combat feats.

I’m saying Legolas is superior because

1. He uses magic

2. He’s physically superior in everyway

3. He’s more intelligent and has more expereince because guess what he’s over 2000 years old.

4. He’s a better fighter

5. He has better weapons

6. He’s not an arhcer contrary to popular belief. He’s a ranger completely different character classes.

See now tell me exactly what Altair can do to combat against someone superior in everyway from strength to intelligence. And please no more fanboy “oh altair could win stop saying mythical creatures are superior to human beings because its racist”.

I’m with midnite marauder on this.

We’re not saying elves are superior because we have some strange disposition towards the elven race. As a fantasy Archtype, I hate elves with a passion. Elves, Eldar, Vulkans, Drow, all of them I hate with an equal passion.

However, they are often stated as being faster than humans and, in the Tolkien universe, they are also stronger, more accurate, more skilled at any endevour and magically inclined beyond anything man can concieve. They are centuries old and generally choose one thing to master within that lifestyle.

Legolas’s choice was ranger. A class of fighter rather than archer, who scouts forests, mountains, swamps and indeed cities to find their prey and bring them down without being seen. He has better eyesight than a human by far, better hearing and quicker reflexes. This isn’t opinion. This is canon/lore/word-of-creator/fact, whatever you wish to call it.

Altair is the more interesting character, but skill wise he doesn’t stand a chance.

And again I say Altair has no idea what the elf looks like.

Legolas wouldn’t be wandering around naked and laughing, pointing at his ears and singing in elvish. He isn’t stupid and in an unknown city he wouldn’t take chances in revealing his race. He’s hunting a man, a man known to be dangerous, and there is nowhere even on middle earth where elves are common place enough that he wouldn’t stick out, so he’ll hide his identity and his distinguishing features.

“Legolas wouldn’t be wandering around naked and laughing, pointing at his ears and singing in elvish. He isn’t stupid and in an unknown city he wouldn’t take chances in revealing his race. He’s hunting a man, a man known to be dangerous, and there is nowhere even on middle earth where elves are common place enough that he wouldn’t stick out, so he’ll hide his identity and his distinguishing features.”

How would Legolas know hes hunting a dangerous man? I don’t think he has any allys in Jerusalem. Although, Altair may be able to get a l’il bit of info from his numerous assassin sources.

@Megaraptor18-I understand what your trying to say but the fact of the matter is Legolas is a mythical creature not bound by the laws of physics while Altair is. As we all know the supernatural trumps the natural because of this. I am by no means a fan of elves. I don’t even like LoTR but i am bound to only produce factual winners of a match on this site and if that winner just happens to be an elf so be it.

@Kenny C.- Obviously you can’t read because the match rules cleary states that Legolas is on the roof which means Altair would have to climb up there to sneak up on him which is impossible because Legolas would hear, see, or smell him coming long before he gets close enough. And face to face Altair has absolutely no chance against Legolas. So stop with the fanboy bullshit its annoying.

Sorry for double posting but I need to correct two grammer errors I made

“(Hinds no magic arrows.)” It should be (Hints no magic arrows.)

“(hinds Assassin Creed Universe)” It should be (hints Assassin Creed Universe)

if anyone sees any grammer mistakes I made please inform me so I don’t make that mistake again

However, magic is used by many in the same universe, just different stories. Dr Strange is a perfect example. Jerusalem is part of the same Earth that Dr Strange lives in. Legolas could still use magic.

Legolas’s keen senses do give him an advantage considering he’s on the rooftops. No other citizens climb buildings and use various acrobatics like Altaiir does. It would be extremely hard for Altaiir to sneak up on Legolas. Any attempt could easily end with an arrow through Altaiir’s head. This plus the fact that Legolas is no amateur with the long knives gives the advantage to him.

His overall racial advantages would lead to is victory.

@ midnite marauder

“Against a human opponent with similar skills maybe we can give it to Altair”

Have you ever played Assassin Creed sir Atair is an opponent of similar or even greater skill in close quarter combat.

“Altair has no magic”

The same goes for Legolas the only magic (His Magic Arrows) he had is gone do to the battle conditions which you are ignoring which states

“Legolas: No armor. Bow, quiver of 25 REGULAR arrows, long knives.” Again no magic arrows. As seen in the films it is the only magic he has. Unless he is like William Wallace and is able to shoot fireballs out of his eyes and bolts of lightning from his ass which I don’t think so.

“has impractical head to head weaponry”

I say again have you ever played the game better yet have you played it to the end of game. His weapon set is a hidden blade that is attached to his left arm. He is armed with a long sword and short sword and has 25 throwing knifes. He has far better eyesight than the average person and has great physical abilities. He is the best assassin in crusader age.

“Legolas is the best and most experienced warrior in the Fellowship with over 2000 years of experience”

That makes go back to Predator again. A hunter thousands years old can still be killed by a 30 year old commando and another is killed an old LA Cop. Hell Superman vs Darksied, Darksied is old than Superman and yet Superman can defeat Darksied. Another case Goku vs Freiza is much older than Goku and yet Goku defeated Freiza. Your arguement on him winning due to his age is failed arguement.

“So my arguement still stands”
I have proved that it doesn’t hold up and you keep ignoring the battle conditions of this fight. Which gives Atair the advantage. However you are blinded with fanboy rage and can’t see that.

Comment 29
“Apparently, you do not read well”
I’m starting to agreed with Kenny C. on that statment because you are ignoring the battle conditions of this fight.

I say this with all respects Happy Face.

@ Admin
Thank you for clearing everything up and also thank you Matapiojo for setting thinks up so it can be answered.

@ Matapiojo
“Hold on, man. You are grossly incorrect. Unless specifically noted in the scenario, characters are never debated with a handicap to what would otherwise be inherent abilities”

I guessing your talking about Comment 35 which main point states
“That is true however that is only in Middle Earth in the LOTR Universe. The problem is he is not in his universe and he is in the Assassin Creed Universe where the laws of physics apply even to mythical creatures. I guess the question may be does a magical being take their law of physics or lack of physics to another universe that has a different set law of physics in this case Assassin Creed’s law of physics (which is the same as ours).”
Which was an idea in my head and just throw it and see if there are any truth to that theory.

Your reply was “That is the same as saying the Hulk is not strong outside Earth-616, or that Lightsabers switch off if the Jedi/Sith are out of Star Wars U.”

That is true However Bruce Banner can came the Hulk is because it is in his DNA and Jedi/Sith can use their lightsabers in other universe because it’s technology no magic.

However can the Jedi/Sith use the force in another universe. The only reason that they can use the force is because midi-chlorians. In a unverse without midi-chlorians they can’t use force and fight as they normally fight because the lack of the Force in that universe.

For the record I’m not trying to pick a fight with you after your the Mr. T of this site. I’m just stating the obvious

@ midnite marauder
“Altair was even the sperm running down his mother’s leg”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA your a sick little boy aren’t you :):)

I love the list of his magical abilities the problem is if you won’t blinded with fanboy anger you would have noticed Comment 43 from the site’s Admin which states
“-Does Legolas receive a no-magic handicap as his equipment would suggest?
Yes
(Which means no magic)
-Does it affect his inherent elven abilities?
No
(which is now the only thing he’s got.)
-Is this Jerusalem intended to be Altair’s world/continuity?
Yes
(Whichs means Altair has homefield advantage.)
-Is this Movie/Games or Book Legolas (yes, there is a difference)?
Movie Legolas

Hope this helps.” As we all know Admin’s word is law on this site.

Oh I love this

“Like I said before the predator lost because of plot shielding and proper preperation of the battlefield before hand. In a 1 on 1 unscripted match the predator would have gutted him in seconds. Same goes for the rest of what you listed those match outcomes were designed and wrote out so that evidence is not good enough as Legolas is from a different universe from Altair, is superior to Altair, and is not scripted to lose against him you do the math.”

It is so amazing how you ignore the cannon of Predator, Superman, and Dragon Ball Z and I show you when moments when the oldest and strongest are defeated by the younger. Alright then I guess give you a history lession.

Gather around children Papa Raptor is going to give you a history lession. Today we will talk about King David of Israelites. Now before he became King he was just shepard the Israelites and Philistines were fighting over the Valley of Elah. As the Israelites are facing the Philistines in the Valley of Elah. David is bringing food to his older brothers who are with King Saul (the current King of the Israelites at that time), and hears Goliath challenging the Israelites to send their own champion to decide the outcome in single combat. He insists that he can defeat Goliath, and Saul sends for him and reluctantly allows him to make the attempt. David is victorious, felling Goliath with a stone from his sling, at which the Philistines flee in terror and the Israelites win a great victory. David cuts off the giant’s head and takes it to Jerusalem. Goliath was superior to David in every way possible and yet David was victorious. Now this is no Bible Story it is a true event in history which shows that a warrior of superior skills can defeated by a shepard.

Now this is even more funny a personal question towards Matapiojo which was
“can the Jedi/Sith use the force in another universe. The only reason that they can use the force is because midi-chlorians. In a unverse without midi-chlorians they can’t use force and fight as they normally fight because the lack of the Force in that universe.”
Yet you in your nerd rage insult me and didn’t read Admin’s Comment
“I’m convinced you have no idea what your talking about. Legolas’ magic abilities are just as much apart of him as Banners’ dna. Elves in all foms of mdia havea natural affinity for the magical. Its just a trait which depending on the universe comes from their dna or their spirit. Which is why Legolas the only enchanted arrow Legolas owns are the ones blessed to always hit their target. His other enchantment like fire and lightning comes from him. ”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You should have read Comment 43.

“I prefer human characters like Artemis myself but I doubt you know who that is so lets keep it moving”
The Hellenic goddess of forests and hills, child birth, virginity, fertility and the hunt. Also the twin twin sister of Apollo (God of music, poetry and oracles) Also one of the three maiden goddesses of Olympus. Trying to throw me off by throwing out a Greek Goddess/God of War characters. At first I thought wield I don’t remember that name in Lord of the Rings and had to look it up. There no woman who matching that name in films. So you threw up the name of a Greek Goddess in a failed attempt. But like you said lets keep moving

This one is pricless
“First off you don’t know me or my preferences so watch what you say”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I do now you are too easy to anger. I know that you might be either British or Canadan by the way you spell armor you spell it like this “armour” just like a the British and the Canadans do. I’m leaning towards Canadan at this point of time. (However it is to note since you are blinded by hatred you will say you are something else just to throw me off my game.)

The condescending nature of most of your comments. You also have a slight degree of arrogance about you. You beileve that knowledgment of things is unquestion and your logic is impossible to beat and how dare someone challenge your logic and reason.

I understand your kind when you study as you put it “sperm running down his mother’s leg” I studied human beings I can read people and by your actions in this room towards me, tells me your true nature. In fact at this point in your head this isn’t about Legolas vs Altair anymore in your head this is midnite marauder vs Megaraptor18. You are so blinded by arrogance and pride and the amount of spelling errors in Comment 45 means I have been able to piss you off and it’s the funniest thing I how ever seen on this site

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

@ midnite marauder

“Third if you weren’t such a rass clat you’d know I was talking about Artemis Entreri a character from the Forgotten Realms novels who’s considered 1 of the greatest swordsmen from his universe only equalled or surpassed by Drizzi”

1. What the hell is a rass clat

2. The whole point of David and Goliath was to show that Goliath an older and has more experience (Like Legolas) was defeated by the younger and not as experienced David (like Altair who is also experience.)

“lol you got to be the funniest batty mon I ever read from in my life. First off I’m neither Brittish nor Canadian I’m Jamaican who resides in America.”

3. I hope you were laughing at Comment 46 as hard as I was laughing at Comment 45. Granted I am little at my myself to be honest. Your Jamaican that threw me off. Also to be honest I thought you would have said “I’m neither Brittish nor Canadian I’m from New Zealand.” Ah… how sad I got it wrong. O Well

“Second I’m not angry just frustrated that you keep using scripted events to justify your examples”

4. If that was you just frustrated than may the lord forbid you getting pissed off. HAHAHA

5. Scripted events can be used sinces both fighters here come from scripted events.

6. Lets ends this fight. I just done watching on Youtube the Deadliest Warrior it was the Samurai vs Viking Episode. So lets have it. Who would win the majority of the fights if it was fought hundred time.
After a hundred battles
Altair: 51
Legolas: 49

Please tell me what you think, how many times would Legolas win.

7. To honest this has been the most fun I have ever had on this site. Too bad this fight can’t go on forever. On second thought… wait… if this fight goes on forever than it will get boring. O well it was fun HAHA

8. We need to start hanging out.

@Megaraptor18-Your a funny mother fucker so why not sure we can be friends. Here’s my myspace url http://www.myspace.com/nikodaboy

If Altair can set up and ambush, its over. But if it coms to range, Lego man ftw.

noone is giving in here, the arguements are staying the same, its time 2 call this 1 i think

“Legolas FTW. Nominate Legolas for the Award considering his ability to percieve Altair’s approach before Altair is close enough for his hidden blade OR his throwing stars to matter at all. Legolas’ hearing is so good, as are his reflexes that he could hear the star twist and catch it. Altair is a remarkable human, but as we all know, when it’s human vs. elf, the elf ALWAYS wins.”

I see. Any proof to back this up? Besides, as the battleground is Jerusalem, Legolas hearing Altair’s approach is both unlikely and ultimately useless, as Altair will most likely attempt an attack in a crowded area. That is if he isn’t lynched for being a pointy-eared poof beforehand.

even better battlefield: on top of the church spire in acre

loser falls a mile

just thought id point this out but wouldn’t that longbow legolas carry be somewhat out of place in the streets of jerusalem on a civillian?

You’d think that all of the blades that Altair carries would be out of place, and he’d be attacked, but NOoooo, the civilians and guards are too stupid to notice.

Funny that no one hasn’t mentioned Altair’s eagle vision, which would make Legolas stand out quite badly.

@ aaaa

Lol, also surprised noone mentioned eagle vision. I have been watching this discussion for a while now.

Dear Troll,

You’re like gay and like mentally retarded, and I’m like “Shut Up!,” and your like “SPARKLY!!!!”

I hope the serial ball-kicker from Canada finds you.

Ha-Ha (in a dry, humorless tone)

give altair some credit sapper, he does have that fancy eagle vision, that might help to find legolas.

otherwise yeah, altairs not got too much that could win him this.

perhaps ezio is a more equal opponent?

An even match pushing slightly towards Legolas. True Altiar has got eagle vision and he has throwing knifes and a crossbow in the opening clip. But I bet Legolas would have spotted a assassin climbing up the building towards him. Ezio on the other hand have a better advantage and maybe might even beat Legolas…

True Sapper has made some good points but dont forget that Altair has training. He could just climb the building Legolas is on, and assassinate him while he is not ready, but I very doubt that happening…

True Legolas has Exelent hearing but Altair might not need to get close…

He has his throwing knifes and a crossbow shown in the opening video. He could just throw a knife at Legolas. But he might be able to hear the knife spinning towards him and move. Its a tough fight…

No, crackshot, it’s not tough. Legolas has virtually a zero percent chance of losing. He won’t find Altair in the crowd before the assassin does something other than walking, but as soon as Altair picks up a knife, climbs something or move out of the crowd, Legolas spot him. And Legolas, with reflexes besting any human and perfect aim with a perfect bow to match it, will easily dispatch of Altair.

Sorry, but as much as i like Altair and Ezio, they will both fail. As soon as they touch a weapon Legolas knows where they are.

I think something that people are forgetting is that neither Legolas nor Altair knows what the other looks like. This means that even if Altair moves out of the crowds, Legolas doesn’t know that’s Altair, who can blend in with PRIESTS and no one knows it’s him. Meanwhile Legolas is on the roofs looking down for Altair, who is hidden in the crowds.

The obvious advantage, at least when it comes to spotting their target first, is Altair. His Eagle Vision is able to point out allies, enemies, hiding places, and best of all, his target. Altair would see Legolas first, who’s obvious a pointy-eared dude with a bow. Considering Legolas’ strange appearance, I have to wonder if Altair would consider switching to more ranged tactics. If Altair travels halfway across the city and circles around Legolas, he could throw his knives at Legolas before the elf even spots Altair. Meanwhile, with all the famine, people, rank smells, etc. I don’t see the typical elven properties like superhuman eyesight and hearing working in Legolas’ favour. Consider that there’s not only Altair in the city, but other guards with weapons and even other assassins, and obviously the townspeople, Legolas’ senses would be dampened.

So when it comes to actually seeing and striking first, Altair has a distinct advantage. He circles behind Legolas, gets up somwhere high while the elf isn’t looking, and throws his knives. However, if Altair misses or if Legolas hears the knife coming and dodges, it’s all over. Legolas has proven to be quite the shot. He’s not just some normal archer, he’s a freaking elf. They’re amazing archers in almost everything they appear in. If Altair’s initial strike is blocked or deflected by Legolas, or if Altair misses, Legolas will destroy him easily. Altair has to make the first shot the last shot, or he’s doomed. And that has to be a ranged shot, no less, which Legolas quite possibly could hear coming and dodge. In the end I think Altair will find Legolas first and attack, but if he doesn’t OHK Legolas, he’s a dead man.

UNLESS we consider what we’ve learned in Assassin’s Creed II about Altair. From this point on, ACII spoilers.

Now, I know Admin said “Normal Armament”, so I’m basing by initial argument off of the full-strength Altair in the original Assassin’s Creed. But as Assassin’s Creed II shows us, Altair, as the new Master of the Assassins, developed all the weaponry Ezio uses in Renaissance era using the Apple of Eden. That means the Hidden Gun. With this weapon, I can’t give it to Legolas. Even if Legolas hears or senses the pellet coming, I doubt he can react fast enough to dodge this weapon that Ezio proves is a OHK weapon, even on armoured targets. This is the only way I’d give this to Altair, and otherwise Legolas would win, I think. I’ll admit not knowing a lot about Legolas, so this is based off what I’ve read in this discussion.

But Legolas has no idea what Altair looks like. He doesn’t even know Altair is white-robed, and if he did there are white-robed priests and white-robed assassins not named Altair that are also in the city. No to mention how many other guards and assassins are in the city? Legolas has no way of finding Altair first simply because he has no idea what to look for. Meanwhile Altair’s Eagle Vision makes Legolas stand out like a Christmas Tree in the middle of a barren field. Now, once the strike is sent Altair is screwed. But there’s no conceivable way Legolas can find Altair first.

And really? An arrow can go faster than a bullet? I don’t care if Legolas is an elf, there’s no way that can happen. Physics, my friend. Unless you have a source I can’t see Legolas winning that against the Hidden Gun.

“He will spot Altair because he carries a damned sword on the outside of a white cloak that stands out pretty much.”
And tell me how Legolas will know that that is Altair when there are Templars, guards, knights, and other assassins armed with swords wandering the same streets as Altair? Legolas is an elf, so I assume he’s not stupid enough to just start killing anyone with a blade on them.

“The guy also happens to be occasionly looking in Legolas’ direction, or is still looking around with eagle vision.”
Altair is TRAINED to track people without them knowing. Even if Legolas is hyper-sensitive, if Altair doesn’t want Legolas to know he’s looking at him, Legolas won’t know. it’s part of the Creed that Altair was born into.

“He is an incredibly easy to spot target really, and you don’t need much imagination to undertand that this fella is the target.”
Considering that Legolas has no idea who he is looking for? Really? For all Legolas knows the guards looking up at him could be Altair, when they’re actually looking at a pointy-eared being they’ve never seen before and are contemplating calling the guards on him. Hell, for all Legolas knows one of the citizens could be Altair, armed with nothing but a concealed blade.

“And an arrow isn’t faster than a bullet. But Legolas is faster than Altair. He’ll have the arrow imbedded in the target organ before Altair manages to get the aim right.”
You assume that Legolas knows where Altair is and that Altair is shooting. He doesn’t and won’t, at least before he’s hit.

Look, I’m not arguing if Altair can win. He can’t. But he’s an assassin. It doesn’t matter if Legolas is an elf. Altair was trained since birth in the ways of the assassins, to hide in plain sight, to kill silently, to not be seen by people if he doesn’t want them to see him. It’s how he lives, it’s how he’s raised, and it’s how he survives. The man assassinated at least 7 high-ranking Templars and nobody knew by the end who he was, other than an assassin. If Legolas doesn’t even know what Altair looks like he CAN’T KILL ALTAIR BEFORE ALTAIR STRIKES.

“Legolas will know because guards and knights don’t pack the same outfit. If the elf finds himself on a random roof in Jerusalem he will have seen a lot of sword carrying guys, and he will see that Altair is different.”
To guards? Yes. To assassins? No. Remember that Legolas doesn’t know what Altair looks like. Altair could look like a civilian for all Legolas knows. But I already established that.

“He’ll shout “stop right there pal!” and aim in this direction.”
As if Altair would obey. He’s still an agile assassin and would run. That’s assuming Legolas saw him, that is.

“Also, the people on the street won’t complain. It will be hard to see the pointy ears from the street, and his golden hair can be concealed by a hood.”
True, but what about the archers who simply see a man that’s not where he should be, even if he’s a fellow archer?

“People will merely think he’s a pretty strange guard, and other guards will at worst tell him to give his name. Should it be neccesary, Legolas knows he can get away from anyone. Meaning that this threat to who seems most competent among the crowd is a good safety measure rather than stupid.”
And while he is concentrated on getting away, Altair sweeps in front of Legolas and strikes fast as lightning. Altair works based on the surprise tactic, so this wouldn’t be hard to pull off at all.

“Altair is TRAINED to not be spotted while spotting? Too bad, Legolas is the best of the Wood Elves, they made stealth and detection.”
This matters why? If Altair stays out of sight, which he is trained to, he can avoid Legolas.

“No matter how good Altair is, he MUST look up there occasionally, and Legolas will spot it. If nothing else, Legolas can get himself out of sight of a suspicious pal and then track him. Become the hunter rather than the prey. Look at Altairs actions and then react.”
Not if he can’t see Altair, which he can’t because that’s what Altair is trained to do. And by the way he still doesn’t know what Altair looks like. So if a guard who finds that archer’s formation suspicious looks up at Legolas a couple times, arrow between the eyes of a guy who isn’t Altair.

“And yes, I assume that Legolas will know where Altair is. Because if Altair tries the gun(which he doesn’t have) he will need to ready it, aim and then fire. Since this might be some trouble in a hard angle in the middle of a crowd, he’ll need to raise his hand and ain, or leave the crowd. That gives away his position. Shady guy, tough looking, raises arm in your directions and keeps the other arm at the other. And theres an enemy here somewhere? Yeah, that’s him.”
Right. Because Altair wouldn’t try to attack from out of Legolas’ line of sight. I already outlined Altair’s plan of attack. Try to keep up.

“And it doesn’t matter what you argues about. Some of your stuff is still wrong in my ears.”
Maybe you need new ears, because I’m right in what I’m saying. You’re just not listening because you’re either too bull-headed or too biased. In either case, I’m done argueing until someone with neither of those qualities shows up.