CTF: Heroes Vs Villains

CTF: Heroes Vs Villains

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Villain team starts on Mount Chiliad’s observation deck, where their flag also is.

Hero team starts at Los Santos International Airport, and their flag is on the runway.

Who would win?

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  1. CannibalisticCookie January 13, 2014 at 7:49 am -      #1

    Sherman as in Elizabeth I assume?

  2. Amm0vamp1r3 January 13, 2014 at 7:51 am -      #2

    Going to go out on a limb and say mercer eats the other team…

  3. Xornell January 13, 2014 at 7:59 am -      #3

    Mercer and Grievous I think will be the main force for Team 1. Although, Kenshin is hella fast and that could really make the CTF factor blow in Team 2’s favor.

  4. CannibalisticCookie January 13, 2014 at 8:07 am -      #4

    Don’t count out Liz here, she lacks the technique, skill, and lightning or Azula, but she has raw power for days!

    imgur.com/iiSRTc4
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    imgur.com/vXV9TME

    Also, YAY, A DEBATE I AM USEFUL FOR!

  5. sadot06 January 13, 2014 at 8:18 am -      #5

    Mercer is going to eat Snake, take his identity and then kill them all.

  6. ZomBCS IS DEAD! January 13, 2014 at 9:20 am -      #6

    Each combatant gets five lives, the island is populated, morals are on(in regards to civilians).

    Sherman is referring to Elizabeth Sherman of the BPRD.

  7. ZomBCS IS DEAD! January 13, 2014 at 9:23 am -      #7

    Morals are on in full I should say I guess. The heroes will not kill if it endangers civilians if they wouldn’t in their source material.

  8. Praetor Prefect January 13, 2014 at 9:24 am -      #8

    Movie Grievous or original clone wars (anime style) Grievous? I’m not counting newer clone wars grievous, he was a pushover.

    But yeah, team one has a lot goin for them, although I don’t know Kenshin or Sherman.

  9. DragonRebornLotM January 13, 2014 at 9:24 am -      #9

    Mercer noms, winnar!!

  10. Jake_Uzumaki January 13, 2014 at 9:55 am -      #10

    Flash has guns, plus the Venom Symbiote, that’ll prove useful to say the least. Precog, spider strength, spider speed, dakka. He effectively makes the Predator and Azula less useful since she can be shot and the Predator while tougher than a human isn’t getting a drop on a Spider-Man type character. He’s kind of like Snake..but with the above stated powers.

  11. Asger January 13, 2014 at 9:55 am -      #11

    All of team 1 consists of better versions of the team 2 guys…

  12. Praetor Prefect January 13, 2014 at 9:56 am -      #12

    Team two does have a symbiote (venom) on their side though. I don’t know if mercer noms him so easily.

  13. Praetor Prefect January 13, 2014 at 10:03 am -      #13

    And the Pred can go invisibru, so he’s an asset to team one.

  14. Amm0vamp1r3 January 13, 2014 at 10:04 am -      #14

    I think he could, i mean its nothing but biomass over more biomass right?

  15. Asger January 13, 2014 at 10:16 am -      #15

    Best case result is that Mercer and Flash turn into a big pile of sludge on impact. Of course Azula throws fire around like it’s going out of fashion, so the Symbiote is fucked either way.

  16. OriginalA January 13, 2014 at 10:16 am -      #16

    “Movie Grievous or original clone wars (anime style) Grievous? I’m not counting newer clone wars grievous, he was a pushover.”

    That’s funny considering TCW Grievous managed to, oh I don’t know, not die against Obi-Wan. Rather consistently too. Plus TCW Grievous has better feats than RotS Grievous. How did you come to the conclusion that TCW Grievous was the pushover when RotS was his worst showing?

  17. Praetor Prefect January 13, 2014 at 10:20 am -      #17

    @Original
    I mean cartoon style clone wars, where he showed more, I don’t know…style. In all seriousness, I was mostly leaning for the CW incarnation rather than ROTJ (where he was also a pushover!).

  18. ZomBCS IS DEAD! January 13, 2014 at 10:22 am -      #18

    You know the rules of ZomB. All SW material.

  19. Jake_Uzumaki January 13, 2014 at 10:25 am -      #19

    @Asger
    Flash has high powered rifles, bullet to the brain renders her a moot threat

  20. Praetor Prefect January 13, 2014 at 10:26 am -      #20

    @ZomB
    So which is considered “peak”?

  21. Asger January 13, 2014 at 10:29 am -      #21

    I’d say that at the very least Azula has the reflexes of a bullet dodger. And that’s assuming Mercer does’t just eat Flash’s guns in advance.

    Point is, the power hitter of Team 2 can’t take out the power hitter of Team 1, and there’s someone who can easily dispense his key weakness.

  22. Envoy January 13, 2014 at 10:53 am -      #22

    Mercy hits the island with a blacklight fart cloud and infects azula with supa powers, the two lead an army of infected towards the airport.
    +
    Thats pretty much it.

  23. Asger January 13, 2014 at 10:59 am -      #23

    Oh yeah, Mercer can infect people too. I keep forgetting about the second Prototype.

  24. CannibalisticCookie January 13, 2014 at 11:10 am -      #24

    “Point is, the power hitter of Team 2 can’t take out the power hitter of Team 1, and there’s someone who can easily dispense his key weakness.”

    I think you’ve mistaken the power hitter of team two. Sadly, my feats I posted haven’t passed moderation yet, but I think Liz’s raw destructive power vastly overpowers anyone else.

  25. OriginalA January 13, 2014 at 11:35 am -      #25

    I know, Praetor. You did not answer my question though.

    Why do you consider TCW version of Grivous as bottom of the totem pole when he has more, and better, feats compared to RotS Grievous?

    Also I would point out that Star Wars canon tiers go: G>T>C>S>N, and that T Canon was created (initially) specifically for TCW, which was produced after CW was made, and by omission of inclusion, that would put CW further down on the canon pole that TCW… So the old cartoon version of Grevious is less canon than any other version.

    I am kinda wonder why you want to push for that Grievous instead of the one versions that are acknowledged as higher canon. … or why you evaded my first question in the first place?

  26. Xornell January 13, 2014 at 12:02 pm -      #26

    “Why do you consider TCW version of Grivous as bottom of the totem pole when he has more, and better, feats compared to RotS Grievous?”

    Like most fans, myself included, he probably finds TCW to be an abomination and a disgusting rape of SW lore at large. RotS Grevious did have less showings, but only because he had about 10 total minutes of screentime in RotS, only 3 or so of which he was fighting.

    “Also I would point out that Star Wars canon tiers go”

    Not for much longer. Disney and Leland Chee are about to sodomize the EU, making things either ‘canon’ or ‘noncanon’. Not entirely sure how I feel about that, but still.

    “So the old cartoon version of Grevious is less canon than any other version”

    They’re all Grievous, though. RotS Grievous has the same feats as TCW Grievous, who has the same feats as the old, good Clone Wars cartoon Grievous.

  27. Praetor Prefect January 13, 2014 at 12:47 pm -      #27

    @Original
    There seems to be a divide in his fighting ability between Tartakovsky clone wars and Cg clone wars, he shows the most ability in the first cartoon, so I would support using that one. He seems to have gained ability in between cg clone wars and ep3, where he then loses it!

    I’d be fine using any incarnation though, seeing as he’s not the heavy hitter.

  28. Praetor Prefect January 13, 2014 at 12:48 pm -      #28

    Basically what Xornell said, TCW Grievous got beaten by AHSOKA ffs.

  29. Soulerous January 13, 2014 at 12:51 pm -      #29

    Disney and Leland Chee are about to sodomize the EU, making things either ‘canon’ or ‘noncanon’. Not entirely sure how I feel about that, but still.
    -Come on, we all know it has to be done. Like New 52, it’s for the greater good.

  30. Praetor Prefect January 13, 2014 at 1:01 pm -      #30

    @Soulerous
    I know that, but I don’t have to be happy about it. The franchise has needed it since the super duper special editions that lucas shat out.

  31. Tarbel January 13, 2014 at 1:34 pm -      #31

    This match is very mean to Kenshin…

  32. OriginalA January 13, 2014 at 1:34 pm -      #32

    “Basically what Xornell said, TCW Grievous got beaten by AHSOKA ffs.”

    No, he didn’t.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tDQGLLZSUs

    In their first fight she lasts, quite literally, seconds before she is knocked unconscious. She would be dead if it was a one on one within 30 seconds of their encounter… and over 20 seconds of that is banter. She does a bit better after she gets back up, but she’s on the defensive and she constantly runs away. Later he catches her again, and it only because he was slightly distracted by an outside force (the rocking of the station) that she is able to free herself and run away. … Being forced into an all out retreat is generally considered being defeated rather than victorious… although her goal here was to buy time rather than best him in combat. She didn’t beat him in combat here.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e9kxU-13W0

    She does better this time, but she’s still mostly on the defensive. Again she’s just buying time for others though. And as soon as the opportunity to disengage from combat arrives she books it out of there. In this one she didn’t even manage to land a single hit on him. In terms of damage she did to him, she did better previous since she actually managed to take off a hand that time; here she didn’t even scratch him.

    And as soon as she disengages Greivous is blasted by a starship.

    Tell me again, exactly, how did Ahsoka beat Greivous by having a crew of pirates attack him with a starship? How does that qualify as Ahsoka beating Greivous?

    In a one on one fight Greivous would have destroyed Ahsoka in either fight. Hell, he flattened her in seconds in the first fight. Just because she has enough sense to run away and survive does not mean that she is capable of beating Greivous.

  33. Praetor Prefect January 13, 2014 at 1:45 pm -      #33

    Huh, what’s the fight where he gets chopped to pieces and he has to replace his cybernetics? I seem to remember that. I digress, this doesn’t really impact the fight over all, there are more powerful fighters on team 1.

  34. Xornell January 13, 2014 at 1:47 pm -      #34

    “Come on, we all know it has to be done. Like New 52, it’s for the greater good.”

    No disagreements. There’s a ton of random shit in the lore. But there’s a ton of wonderful pieces, too. Both of which will be sacrificed for a movie that will undeniably bomb worse than the prequels. And don’t get me wrong, I love the New 52. But the story is even more fucked up and convoluted then it was before.

    “This match is very mean to Kenshin…”

    He’s more than fast enough to compete. Morals definitely nerf him, though.

  35. Praetor Prefect January 13, 2014 at 1:51 pm -      #35

    I do consider this a mark on his legacy however:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddQm9nciUkU

    I don’t know if that was just PIS/CIS, but it was just sad.

  36. Praetor Prefect January 13, 2014 at 1:53 pm -      #36

    @Xornell
    Just hope they don’t touch my precious, mary sue filled KOTOR

  37. OriginalA January 13, 2014 at 2:07 pm -      #37

    Grievous got chopped to pieces when Kit Fisto (Jedi Master, and Councile Member… so needless to say a rather accomplished badass), and Nahdar Vebb (Fisto’s old padawan; new knighted) and four clone troopers ambush Grievous in Grievous’s Lair (title of the episode too). While the jedi fight him in a corridor, the clones use cables to further restrict Grievous’s movements, and then while he is being held down by four clones the jedi cut him up. By the end of that fight, two clones are dead, Nahdar has been disarmed at least once, Fisto has been pushed to the ground at least once, and Greivous made his escape. By the end of the episode only Fisto survives and he ran away.

    As for the gungan thing… Totally a badass moment for Captain Tarpals. Give credit where it is due. The guy shoved a spike through metal armor while being impaled by raw plasma. That is extraordinary and it should not be held against Grievoes for getting hit by that…. although that does not excuse the rest of that scene.

  38. Praetor Prefect January 13, 2014 at 2:12 pm -      #38

    @OriginalA
    Okay, I knew that scene existed somewhere! Less shameful than I thought.

    Tarpals…I’ll let that slide, but getting hit by the other gungans…eh…

    =

    So, how do Kenshin and Sherman contribute, quick character power summary if anyone could please?

    I think in the stealth department, Snake is outclassed by Mr. Black, just for brute strength and durability.

    Venom is out, likely due to Azula.

  39. ZomBCS IS DEAD! January 13, 2014 at 2:18 pm -      #39

    “I think in the stealth department, Snake is outclassed by Mr. Black, just for brute strength and durability.”

    Snake has firepower yo, and I think he’d be more stealthy to slip out with the flag if someone distracts whoever’s guarding it.


    “So, how do Kenshin and Sherman contribute, quick character power summary if anyone could please?”

    Cookie posted some feats for Sherman, she is a pyro. I don’t really know much about her aside from being a pyro, not quite as strong as super pyros.

  40. Xornell January 13, 2014 at 2:32 pm -      #40

    “Just hope they don’t touch my precious, mary sue filled KOTOR”

    Considering how far back it goes, I doubt it. Only the really vague stuff and the really cool shit that happened after RotJ is at risk. Thrawn Trilogy, Hand of Thrawn, Palpatine Reborn, the Y. Vong War, and the Legacy Era in general are all prime for retcons. Timothy Zahn said he has another trilogy planned and he basically wants reboot the SW EU.

    “Kit Fisto”

    Wasn’t he one of the three fodder Jedi that cot lolraped by Palpatine within a span of three seconds? Just curious.

    “The guy shoved a spike through metal armor while being impaled by raw plasma.”

    Looked like, to me, that he got it in the stupidly-placed opening in Grievous’ chestplate.

    “So, how do Kenshin and Sherman contribute, quick character power summary if anyone could please?”

    Kenshin is fast as shit and is a skilled swordsman. Like, gatling gun bullet-dodging+ fast. However, he’s super morally uptight. If you’re not trying to kill him, he’s libel to blow you, just cuz’ he’s a nice guy like that. If you are trying to kill him, the worst you’re in for is a slap on the wrist, literally. Oh, he’s also one of like, three anime characters I can stand. So that’s something.

  41. Praetor Prefect January 13, 2014 at 2:37 pm -      #41

    @Xornell
    So team 1 could play on the ‘good guy’ morals of Kenshin?

    I would not consider that lolrape, the scene just brings too many problems to the canon.

    @ZomB
    Actually, scratch my earlier opinion. Mr. Black seemed incredibly stupid in that movie, walking into obvious traps and not trying to escape the ring of fire that was clearly blinding (heh) him.

  42. Xornell January 13, 2014 at 2:45 pm -      #42

    “So team 1 could play on the ‘good guy’ morals of Kenshin?”

    Definitely. “Speedrun us your flag or we start murdering children.” Although… He usually just goes balls to the walls when that’s the case.

    “I would not consider that lolrape, the scene just brings too many problems to the canon.”

    I would. Kit puts up almost no resistance. I know Palpatine is badass, but really? Dude doesn’t even make 5 seconds.

  43. Sauroposeidon January 13, 2014 at 2:49 pm -      #43

    ….His name is Berserker. Get it fucking right.

  44. ZomBCS IS DEAD! January 13, 2014 at 2:50 pm -      #44

    “If you are trying to kill him, the worst you’re in for is a slap on the wrist, literally. Oh, he’s also one of like, three anime characters I can stand. So that’s something.”

    The good guys won’t do anything that’ll endanger civilians, but they also know the reputations of their opponents, and that they must kill them in order to loosened. So, for the sake of debate he is willing to go Manslayer on at least Mercer, Grievous, and Black, maybe not Azula because she is so young.

  45. ZomBCS IS DEAD! January 13, 2014 at 2:53 pm -      #45

    “….His name is Berserker. Get it fucking right.”

    I feel like ‘Berserker’ is more of a title than a name.

  46. Praetor Prefect January 13, 2014 at 2:54 pm -      #46

    Oh, and lets hope Azula doesn’t have a psychotic breakdown and start murdering (as she is wont to do). That could definitely break the heroes out of their CIS.

  47. Xornell January 13, 2014 at 3:01 pm -      #47

    “So, for the sake of debate he is willing to go Manslayer on at least Mercer, Grievous, and Black, maybe not Azula because she is so young.”

    Ah. Then Team 1 might be in a bit of trouble. I don’t know that Black or Azula have the reflexes to not get wrecked. Grievous, being an expert at killing things with good reflexes, speed, and precog, still might pose a problem.

  48. Jake_Uzumaki January 13, 2014 at 3:09 pm -      #48

    “Venom is out, likely due to Azula.”
    I don’t know, he seems to have the fire weakness somewhat under control
    img202.imageshack.us/img202/5446/durability.png

    Also
    img840.imageshack.us/img840/4292/shapeshift.png
    we’re assuming they can even find Thompson. He shapeshifts really good.

  49. MrRyder January 13, 2014 at 3:19 pm -      #49

    Has Star Wars really fallen from grace as a franchise?

    Also, are we clear on which Grevious we’re using?

  50. Xornell January 13, 2014 at 3:24 pm -      #50

    “Has Star Wars really fallen from grace as a franchise?”

    Depends on who you ask. I think they put out enjoyable material 75% of the time. The other 25% is shit like the cgi Clone Wars show.

    “Also, are we clear on which Grevious we’re using?”

    All the same Grievous. Anything one did is applicable to another.

  51. Jake_Uzumaki January 13, 2014 at 3:28 pm -      #51

    Impaling people back when he had a limit on symbiote use
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/31103/1713069-feat.png

    Trying to bury the hatchet..in Anti-Venom’s face.
    img191.imageshack.us/img191/9192/av6gz.png

    hard to tell what blew up but surviving an explosion with the symbiote
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/2111466-avvssk23.png
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/2111467-avvssk24.png

  52. Jake_Uzumaki January 13, 2014 at 3:45 pm -      #52
  53. OriginalA January 13, 2014 at 3:51 pm -      #53

    “The other 25% is shit like the cgi Clone Wars show.”

    Personally I think this show is one of the better pieces that Star Wars has produced. It started off pretty meh, but it really grew into something amazing. Season three is where the show really starts to pick up. There are several story arcs in Season 4 and 5 that I prefer over the prequel trilogy. Yes, I prefer that show over the first two prequel movies. At its best that show can hold its own with the movies.

    That said, I don’t care about the rest of the EU. I stopped reading the books when the New Jedi Order series was starting, so a lot of the EU material that the show ignores I never knew and never attached to (except Boba Fett, but AotC rewrote his backstory prior and TCW just ran with it so that is something I cannot blame TCW for “screwing up”).

  54. Praetor Prefect January 13, 2014 at 4:26 pm -      #54

    Eh, never got into it, Ahsoka just pissed me off.

  55. Tarbel January 13, 2014 at 4:35 pm -      #55

    Why Kenshin is at a disadvantage:
    -Morals, easily taken advantage of >> I’m guessing at least Grievous would think of holding civilians hostage.
    The other disadvantages:
    Mercer/Grievous/Predator durability > Kenshin
    Mercer/Grievous/Predator speed >= Kenshin
    Mercer/Grievous/Predator range > Kenshin
    Mercer/Grievous/Predator strength/destructive capability > Kenshin
    Mercer vs Kenshin. Mercer flups him, no explanation necessary.
    Grievous vs Kenshin. Kenshin doesn’t let Kenshin block/parry attacks his attacks with his lightsabers. Forces him to attack fully offensively and this also screws with him if Grievous starts cutting up civilians either by accident or purposefully. He could win, but it would be a hell of a fight.
    Yautja vs Kenshin. Range most likely kills him.
    Azula vs Kenshin. Range most likely kills him.

  56. OberHeresy January 13, 2014 at 5:12 pm -      #56

    Doesn’t Mercer just stomp everyone here? He’s incredibly hard to kill, and can just absorb most of them from what I can tell.

    And Snake is kinda a non-factor here.

    As for TCW hate, I like the show. It has well done action sequences, mostly good characters(I too don’t like Ashoka mostly, though she has gotten less annoying), and it covers so many different angles of the Clone Wars, which is such a huge space of time for SW.

  57. OberHeresy January 13, 2014 at 5:18 pm -      #57

    And then there is always Mercer, who could turn his entire team into Blacklight people, which then also become REALLY hard to kill…..and it just goes down from there for team 2. I mean, eventually Thompson is gonna get caught, and if they can’t absorb him, they can just pin him down and let Azula burn him.

  58. Xornell January 13, 2014 at 5:26 pm -      #58

    “Personally I think this show is one of the better pieces that Star Wars has produced.”

    Didn’t like it. Shit on the Clone Wars lore and was too geared for kids. I mean, obviously it was an animated show, so it was for kids, but “Hey let’s make a new girl characters for the little girls!”. It’s just so obvious in it’s design and really dumbs down the characters. The action is really geared toward kids, too. I think maybe 10 Clone Troopers died during the whole run on-screen?

    “At its best that show can hold its own with the movies.”

    I would definitely disagree with this. Phantom Menace is the weakest SW movie and it stands head and shoulders above the CGI. Btw, listen to Weird Al Yankovic’s “A Saga Begins”, and Episode 1 will be insanely better.

  59. jackn8r January 13, 2014 at 6:26 pm -      #59

    Is there any combatant that can challenge Tardakofski Greivous in close combat? Symbiote vs Mercer and his powers is going to be pretty interesting.

  60. Jake_Uzumaki January 13, 2014 at 6:48 pm -      #60

    realistically Thompson is the best bet against Grevious in CQC due to his strength, speed, and the Symbiote’s material being able to regenerate. Granted I don’t know how the cauterizing effects of lightsabers will affect it. That said I say that due to not knowing Sherman or Kenshin.

  61. Alpha or Omega January 13, 2014 at 6:53 pm -      #61

    Big Boss or Old Snake? (Pics are usually unreliable, but I’m not sure because ZomB could have put the pics)
    /
    Tech and reaction time difference between these two.

  62. OriginalA January 13, 2014 at 7:15 pm -      #62

    “Didn’t like it. Shit on the Clone Wars lore and was too geared for kids. I mean, obviously it was an animated show, so it was for kids, but “Hey let’s make a new girl characters for the little girls!”. It’s just so obvious in it’s design and really dumbs down the characters. The action is really geared toward kids, too. I think maybe 10 Clone Troopers died during the whole run on-screen?”

    I can’t argue against on why Ahsoka was introduced; she is obviously designed to appeal to a young audience rather than fans that grew up on the original movies.

    As for the body count…
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMM-Sh14d6s

    I would point out that the reason why Star Wars uses Storm Troopers and Clone Troopers as mooks is because they are helmeted, identical, non-personal objects rather than “characters” as far as the narrative is concerned. Their appearance (identical appearance from one trooper to the next and helmet to remove facial features) is a deliberate design choice in order to dehumanize them to the audience. As such it carries more weight to kill off characters with a face rather than a faceless mook.

    But if you want to see Clone Troopers die:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPvNkIPFdI8
    Needless to say, more than 10 mook level characters die on screen in this show.

  63. Jake_Uzumaki January 13, 2014 at 7:20 pm -      #63

    And yet ironically the Clone heavy everyone else light episodes were the best parts of the show.

  64. Praetor Prefect January 13, 2014 at 7:40 pm -      #64

    I did see a few later episodes of CW. Was there an animation/writer shift? The tone of the show seemed to change in the last season.

  65. Jake_Uzumaki January 13, 2014 at 7:46 pm -      #65

    @Praetor Prefect
    slight time skip and went a bit darker and edgier

  66. OberHeresy January 13, 2014 at 7:46 pm -      #66

    It actually gets pretty dark for a kids show sometimes. The clone-centric episodes tend to be my favorites.

  67. Praetor Prefect January 13, 2014 at 7:50 pm -      #67

    Sigh…might have to watch a few episodes then, as long as the overly sunny attitude is toned down.

  68. Jake_Uzumaki January 13, 2014 at 7:51 pm -      #68

    Duchess Satine got murdered while Obi-Wan was held helpless as Maul executed her with a lightsaber among other darker things.

  69. ZomBCS IS DEAD! January 13, 2014 at 7:52 pm -      #69

    “Big Boss or Old Snake? (Pics are usually unreliable, but I’m not sure because ZomB could have put the pics)”

    Solid.


    “And yet ironically the Clone heavy everyone else light episodes were the best parts of the show.”

    Clone episodes were the best. I loved watching the Saga of Fives.

  70. OberHeresy January 13, 2014 at 7:53 pm -      #70

    Plus some pretty, while not graphic, definitely darker clone deaths, as well as just darker toned storylines. Darth Maul and his Brother for instance. Expect some sunny moments, but its definitely more serious.

  71. Alpha or Omega January 13, 2014 at 8:02 pm -      #71

    Well, if this is Big Boss, he’s as good as dead.
    /
    However, if this is his clone, he should be able to fight his way through unless it’s Mercer and maybe Grevious. Kinda hard for him though.
    He could be set up as flag defender.
    /
    Old Snake should be able to snipe Azula.
    Azula has no way of detecting Snake AFAIK
    /
    Black has a visor that could spot Snake (kinda relying on Midnite’s/Redrum’s info here on Preds).
    However, with Solid eye, he should be able to spot Black as well. And, with a handy reaction time of dodging bullets at close range and dodging a rail gun shot from some distance, he should be able to dodge Black’s attacks.
    And since he’s defending from a railway, he should be able to take him out from a good distance with a railgun.
    /
    Now to Grevious, I haven’t seen Grevious tank blasters so I’m pretty sure he’s unable to deal with a multi-megajoule weapon.
    Plus Grevious shouldn’t be able to see him, but if Snake misses, he should be able to be aware of Snake.
    And based on Clone Wars cartoon, he should be able to close the distance.
    /
    Against Mercer, he loses.

  72. Alpha or Omega January 13, 2014 at 8:04 pm -      #72

    Oh, Solid.
    Helpful.

  73. CannibalisticCookie January 13, 2014 at 9:51 pm -      #73

    My feats for Liz posted in reverse chronological order. :\. (So, read them from the bottom up)

  74. Locutus January 14, 2014 at 2:44 am -      #74

    “All the same Grievous. Anything one did is applicable to another.”

    They definitely are not the same and not applicable to another. The old “Clone Wars” cartoon miniseries is heavily stylized and exaggerated. It also contradicts established canon of the films and CGI series.
    Grievous in Tartakovsky’s “Clone Wars” seemed to have little to no problems with wheezing, coughing or hunching over. He was fast as hell and kicked major ass up until Windu crushed his chest near the very end of the war. Only then did all that shit become a problem.
    This contradicts both the films and TCW series. They both show that Grievous had serious medical issues because of his condition since the beginning, and it was not because he was force-crushed by Windu years later at Coruscant. We also see Grievous fighting multiple times in TCW and he was never capable of doing what Tartakovsky’s super-Grievous is seen doing. Again, it’s a heavily exaggerated cartoon.
    Tartakovsky’s version of Grievous directly contradicts canon, therefore, his feats and abilities should not be used.

  75. Praetor Prefect January 14, 2014 at 11:04 am -      #75

    That was before his chest was crushed Locutus. He was less injured during that series because it was just after ep 2, but before ep 3. The same goes with the later CW.

  76. Jake_Uzumaki January 14, 2014 at 11:57 am -      #76

    Not to mention ZomB said all Star Wars material….so for the purposes of this match they are the same and bitching about Star Wars EU won’t do anything.

  77. Xornell January 14, 2014 at 12:05 pm -      #77

    “They definitely are not the same and not applicable to another. The old “Clone Wars” cartoon miniseries is heavily stylized and exaggerated. It also contradicts established canon of the films and CGI series.”

    Lol, nope. Same Grievous, different times. Just because he doesn’t do the same things in all three different media styles, doesn’t mean it’s not the same person.

    “This contradicts both the films and TCW series. They both show that Grievous had serious medical issues because of his condition since the beginning”

    Not really. Grievous had his chest crushed before Episode III, which is where we first see him in the movies.
    In the DVD Commentary from Episode III they (George and the animating staff) talk about Grievous’ cough, and the source of it. They touch on how the technology may not have been as good as Vader’s suit, and how Windu force-crushed his chest.

    “We also see Grievous fighting multiple times in TCW and he was never capable of doing what Tartakovsky’s super-Grievous is seen doing. ”

    Just because a character doesn’t do something, it doesn’t mean he’s incapable of doing it. We don’t see 90% of the EU shit in the movies, but it is most certainly applicable.

  78. the_man_with The_Answers January 14, 2014 at 12:31 pm -      #78

    IIRC, it’s been awhile since I’ve played Prototype, but aren’t a few tanks only a relatively moderate threat to a maxed out Mercer? I’m only familiar with 2 on the heroes side (Snake and Thompson), but I’m pretty sure they don’t compare to a small column of tanks.

  79. Praetor Prefect January 14, 2014 at 12:43 pm -      #79

    @TMWTA
    That’s what I was thinking. I don’t see a meaningful way for team 2 to reliably counter Mercer. They would probably have a better chance without him on team 1.

  80. CannibalisticCookie January 14, 2014 at 12:45 pm -      #80

    “That’s what I was thinking. I don’t see a meaningful way for team 2 to reliably counter Mercer. They would probably have a better chance without him on team 1.”

    Is he immune to fire? Because if he isn’t, I think Liz can eat his lunch.

  81. CannibalisticCookie January 14, 2014 at 12:49 pm -      #81

    A pretty ridiculous display of power from Liz.

    imgur.com/NCvEe2V
    imgur.com/nAt58Sl
    imgur.com/gHiCQ9K
    imgur.com/cbn0KmM
    imgur.com/L2tVAes

  82. Praetor Prefect January 14, 2014 at 12:54 pm -      #82

    @Cookie
    Well people like to use his “tank a nuke feat” as how it sounds, but it didn’t really go that way. He survived a nuke only by absorbing biomass afterward. He was basically liquified.

  83. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets January 14, 2014 at 5:52 pm -      #83

    What’s stopping Mercer from turning the rest of his team into blacklight beings as well, and then all of them just sneak on by, get the flag, then run away with their flag? The only one I don’t see it working on is Grievous, but even then it should, since he still has some organic parts, right?

    It’s not like he hasn’t done that in the past, before he came up with whitelight he already had a sizable force of blacklight beings with him.

    Can’t imagine what a blacklight Predator would be like. At that point he’d probably be like another Supreme Hunter.

  84. Alpha or Omega January 14, 2014 at 6:50 pm -      #84

    What’s stopping Liz?
    In those 5 scans, she just burned up godzilla sized creatures and the wreckage of the city they were standing on.
    I’m pretty sure she is the team player for team 2.
    Ironically, the only one who would most likely survive due to fire manipulation is Azula, the-once-dead-weight of team 2.

  85. the_man_with The_Answers January 14, 2014 at 7:17 pm -      #85

    “In those 5 scans, she just burned up godzilla sized creatures and the wreckage of the city they were standing on.”

    Go figure that the anime character can probably stand up to Mercer, if not beat him.

  86. Jake_Uzumaki January 14, 2014 at 8:16 pm -      #86

    So Liz burns Team 1 besides Azula to cinders, and Snake or Flash snipe her head off while Kenshin, and or Flash if he’s not the sniper move to get the enemy flag.

  87. sadot06 January 14, 2014 at 8:18 pm -      #87

    Well we know a Nuke can’t stop Mercer from reconstructing himself, not to mention that armor upgrade he has. Plus morals are on so even if Mercer stood there and allowed himself to be consumed in a giant inferno, she’d be killing a lot of civilians. But again, why would Mercer stand there? He’s got devastators: www.youtube.com/watch?v=usaWnjG63PI

  88. Watchdog Lowk January 14, 2014 at 8:34 pm -      #88

    “Go figure that the anime character can probably stand up to Mercer, if not beat him.”

    Comic character actually…
    ===
    So, Symbiote vs Blacklight; who wins.

  89. Alpha or Omega January 14, 2014 at 8:40 pm -      #89

    @the_man_with The_Answers
    “Go figure that the anime character can probably stand up to Mercer, if not beat him.”
    /
    Ehh, it was a comic book character judging by those scans.
    /
    @sadot06
    “Well we know a Nuke can’t stop Mercer from reconstructing himself, not to mention that armor upgrade he has. Plus morals are on so even if Mercer stood there and allowed himself to be consumed in a giant inferno, she’d be killing a lot of civilians. But again, why would Mercer stand there? He’s got devastators: www.youtube.com/watch?v=usaWnjG63PI
    /
    The only reason why the nuke didn’t stop Mercer was because.
    -Water. Lots of water.
    -Gained quite a distance
    -Got owned by it and some crow happened to come by in misfortune. No crow and there wouldn’t have been prototype 2
    /
    I don’t think Mercer would escape a fire that consumed a city and incinerated godzilla sized beings.
    Though you probably have the point about morals…..d@mn comic book characters.
    OP yet they hold back.
    /
    The devastators are impressive.
    However, that’s not going to help against a city consuming flame…if there was no morals…

  90. the_man_with The_Answers January 14, 2014 at 8:44 pm -      #90

    “So, Symbiote vs Blacklight; who wins.”

    The introduction of a symbiote doesn’t issue in the quarantine of a city followed by the rapid deployment of shady black-ops-like military forces. From what I recall, symbiotes like to find a host and stick to them. If anything, the symbiote might just abandon Thompson and link up with Mercer (Or join with Mercer when Mercer consumes Thompson), making him even more over-powered, leaving leg-less Thompson utterly defenseless.
    -

  91. Jake_Uzumaki January 14, 2014 at 8:50 pm -      #91

    1 Symbiote however they are sometimes prone to mass spawnings that are city wide (Venom Carnage and Toxin currently moving towards one such spawning it seems) and do induce quarintines.

  92. the_man_with The_Answers January 14, 2014 at 9:17 pm -      #92

    Except in this case, Thompson has some level of morals on. If he does but the symbiote doesn’t, then their fucked either way because the symbiote would likely migrate right on over to Mercer, or someone else on “Team Villain.”

  93. Alpha or Omega January 14, 2014 at 9:32 pm -      #93

    Actually, Flash was able to call the symbiote back in this one instance IIRC.
    It was during Spider Island and tried to go back to Brock when he was Anti-Venom, it almost got him, but Flash manage to convince the symbiote to come back. Flash’s symbiote had to be weakened for it to go to Brock though.
    /
    But yeah, if it does happen, Mercer cuts him up before the symbiote returns to Flash.

  94. Watchdog Lowk January 14, 2014 at 9:39 pm -      #94

    “The introduction of a symbiote doesn’t issue in the quarantine of a city followed by the rapid deployment of shady black-ops-like military forces. From what I recall, symbiotes like to find a host and stick to them. If anything, the symbiote might just abandon Thompson and link up with Mercer (Or join with Mercer when Mercer consumes Thompson), making him even more over-powered, leaving leg-less Thompson utterly defenseless.”

    Kind of meant who controls/eats who. Like if the symbiote got it’s hands on Mercer or vice versa who comes out dominate?
    ===
    “Except in this case, Thompson has some level of morals on. If he does but the symbiote doesn’t, then their fucked either way because the symbiote would likely migrate right on over to Mercer, or someone else on “Team Villain.””

    Wouldn’t “Venom” mean it’s both characters fighting on the same side since Venom=Symbiote+Host? So the morals would apply to both but the factpile rule prevent it from going over to the opposite side? Or is that only concerning universes?

  95. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets January 14, 2014 at 10:18 pm -      #95

    “Kind of meant who controls/eats who. Like if the symbiote got it’s hands on Mercer or vice versa who comes out dominate?”
    I believe Mercer’s stronger and more durable, not sure about speed. In the first game you could run up walls while carrying a tank over your head and chuck it to destroy helicopters and what not.

    And seeing how the symbiote is just biomass I see nothing stopping him from gobbling up Flash, or any of the blacklight amped characters.

    “What’s stopping Liz?”
    Her morality and not knowing who Mercer is deciding to live as at the time.

    Would/Can Mercer try to start another outbreak here and use the other blacklight beings? Or would using them be considered outside help?

  96. Alpha or Omega January 14, 2014 at 10:34 pm -      #96

    You have a point about Mercer disguised as people, but so can Venom.
    /
    The symbiote was capable of almost defeating Brock’s anti-venom symbiote,(Only returned to Flash because Flash said so) who was “curing” Flash as Venom and people from being giant spiders.
    static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111010111748/marveldatabase/images/1/15/5_I_am_the_Cure!.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/31103/2008691-venom7poster.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/11136/2490726-9_anti_venom_defeated.jpg
    Mercer wouldn’t so easily consume Flash.
    /
    If Mercer is starting an outbreak, then that actually could go bad as Liz could just burn the area where Mercer is, considering that everyone would be blacklight beings.

  97. ZomBCS IS DEAD! January 14, 2014 at 11:31 pm -      #97

    “Wouldn’t “Venom” mean it’s both characters fighting on the same side since Venom=Symbiote+Host? So the morals would apply to both but the factpile rule prevent it from going over to the opposite side? Or is that only concerning universes?”

    While it doesn’t actually say ‘Venom’, I did intend for it to be Symbiote+Host. Venom won’t go villain this match.

  98. OMEGAMI January 15, 2014 at 12:34 am -      #98

    I don’t know if mercer is immune to fire, but he has tanked explosions and walked out of burning buildings before.

    And all that about him having to consume a crow to survive is not true, he could have regenerated (he does it in the game without biomass) the crow just speed up the process, he could have slithered his way into the street and consumed a person or a rat.
    In order to put Mercer down for good you gave to make sure that not a single peace of him is left.

  99. Tarbel January 15, 2014 at 1:36 am -      #99

    It’s still important that morals are up, and considering that Sherman is on the Hero team, I think she wouldn’t go all out and endanger citizens unless it’s definite they are clear.
    Also, Azula the fire bender is here to buffer any super fire Sherman can generate.

  100. Praetor Prefect January 15, 2014 at 12:42 pm -      #100

    If this is all incarnations, can’t Mercer create more evolved from the nearby civilians?

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