Asura Vs God Emperor of Mankind

Asura Vs God Emperor of Mankind

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Asura (Asura’s Wrath) is in his most powerful form, Asura the Destructor. God Emperor of Mankind (Warhammer 40K) is at his peak, from his battle with Horus.

Battle takes place on Endor. Asura has been told that the GEoM made his daughter cry by attacking her.

Who wins? The Mighty Demigod who destroyed stars and supermassive planets and destroyed the creator of his world? Or the Powerful Human who became Emperor of a multiplanet empire and killed his Chaos controlled son?

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220 Comments on "Asura Vs God Emperor of Mankind"

  1. OberHeresy December 30, 2013 at 7:01 am -      #1

    The two big questions here: Can Asura resist mind-fuckery of any sort, and how fast is he? Because if he can’t, and he’s not fast enough to kill the GEoM immediately, he’s dead.

  2. sadot06 December 30, 2013 at 7:36 am -      #2

    Asura FTL smash to his face

  3. Xornell December 30, 2013 at 8:18 am -      #3

    Destructor Asura? Lolwat xD I don’t see how the Emperor doesn’t get demolished immediately.

  4. Rookie December 30, 2013 at 8:19 am -      #4

    Asura should win, he resisted time manipulations before and have FTL speed. He should be able to speedblitz GEOM in this match.

  5. sadot06 December 30, 2013 at 8:21 am -      #5

    He’s also larger than Endor in his strongest form

  6. Jake_Uzumaki December 30, 2013 at 9:55 am -      #6

    so a guy who was what 2 or 3 times the size of earth and punched supermassive planets and blew up various sizes of stars….vs a guy who lives on earth and is currently on a planet smaller than earth.

  7. Asger December 30, 2013 at 10:25 am -      #7

    The last guy who made Asura’s daughter cry was the creator of the universe who casually created galaxies and threw stars at him. And he was pummeled into absolute oblivion.

    God Cripple and the Ewoks get slamdunked into the sun.

  8. Tsubodai December 30, 2013 at 10:45 am -      #8

    Ok, I agree this is probably a stomp for asura, but let me play devil’s advocate. Supposing the GEOM manages to see asura, register the threat, and send out a telepathic command for asura to calm down/go away/stop trying to kill him. Does asura have telepathic resistance feats? It may be the difference between asura 94 times out of 100 and asura 100 times out of 100.

  9. Jake_Uzumaki December 30, 2013 at 10:56 am -      #9

    Depends, can he think or react massively FTL before he’s punched by a moon sized fist moving massively FTL?

  10. Watchdog Lowk December 30, 2013 at 12:12 pm -      #10

    HIS FIST WILL PIERCE THE HEAVENS AND.. wait wrong crazy fiction. Anyway poor Endor.
    Did Asura’s fist projectiles ever destroy planets or did he only do that with his actually fist? I recall seeing him shoot something with those in space or was that just the beginning mission?

  11. Crimson Sentry December 30, 2013 at 12:12 pm -      #11

    The mindfuckery is I think is possible, considering that his presence is sooo powerful he somewhat holds back the chaos gods from the materium, but if Asura got too angry I don’t see anything that would stop him mindfuckery or otherwise.

  12. pimpmage December 30, 2013 at 12:16 pm -      #12

    Oh dear, another GEoM match. We should keep a tally of how many times he has been featlessly matched up against people like asura or galactus :(
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    I could possibly see GEoM just tearing open a warp portal and throwing himself in it with asura. The emps would have complete mental protection against the warp whereas asura could just get posessed by a demon of khorn. What kind of mental barriers have been shown for asura?

  13. Aelfinn December 30, 2013 at 1:09 pm -      #13

    Asura is a magic robot, so I don’t even know if the GEoM’s mind-fuckery would work in the same way.
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    Asura’s Wrath was always a nuts game through and through, but this video should show you just where it ends up, and where Asura does as well:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCIQWPe7zfY
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    “I don’t know what to do when she cries… The best I can do is punch anyone who makes her cry.” <– directly said by Asura.
    -
    "I understand it all now. The true reason for my wrath! I could not stand it! There is always some fool who wants to rule the world! Always forcing others to do what they cannot do for themselves! That's why… I pray to no one! Nor will I be prayed to! But…above all else…I will never forgive you for making my daughter cry!" <– also said by Asura as he punches God in the face.
    =
    Chakravartin (God) made his daughter cry by kidnapping her, and Asura thinks the God Emperor attacked her? That is not going to be pretty.

  14. pimpmage December 30, 2013 at 1:22 pm -      #14

    In the 40k verse, demons do not need subjects with souls to mess with stuff. In one of the HH books, an entire planet was literally posessed by a demon. And it threw mountain ranged into orbit and killed a few space ships. If asura fell into the warp somehow unprotected, he would be torn apart or warped into unreality. Or posessed. Either way, bfr.

  15. Glutinous-Bicarbonate December 30, 2013 at 2:01 pm -      #15

    Destructor mode is so large his hands are roughly the diameter of the Earth. Unlike Asura, I don’t think that the GEOM can do anything if Asura simply punches Endor. Gongen Wyzen’s finger poke would be nothing in comparison.

  16. Xornell December 30, 2013 at 2:49 pm -      #17

    “I could possibly see GEoM just tearing open a warp portal and throwing himself in it with asura. ”
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    Has never done this.

  17. Kitten Lord December 30, 2013 at 6:13 pm -      #18

    Isnt the Emperor basically a skeleton on a throne now?

    What feats does he actually have, sure he could potentially mentally manipulate Asura but don’t you have to kill on Factpile to win?

  18. Crimson Sentry December 30, 2013 at 6:15 pm -      #19

    BFR still works on Factpile, also the GEOM version being used is this is when he is alive at the powerlevel he had on the battlebarge with Horus.

  19. Kitten Lord December 30, 2013 at 6:16 pm -      #20

    So GEOM has actually mind raped someone before? Is this something he would likely do first, meanwhile Asuras fist is coming at him?

  20. sadot06 December 30, 2013 at 6:49 pm -      #21

    10/10 GEoM is reduced to particles on Asura’s knuckles as shards of Endor float through space.

  21. pimpmage December 30, 2013 at 7:26 pm -      #22

    Is asura immune to having his soul erased from existance or his mind scrambled like an egg? GEoM’s psychic might encompasses an entire galaxy, range will be a non-factor.

  22. sadot06 December 30, 2013 at 7:37 pm -      #23

    When you make his daughter cry, he’s immune from anything that would prevent him from beating you to death. God, dying, doesn’t seem to matter. Is GEoM immune to a moon sized fist flying at him many times faster than light?

  23. Crimson Sentry December 30, 2013 at 7:45 pm -      #24

    Tbh is Asura did hear that his daughter was straight up attacked I do feel bad for the GEOM. The void dragon ain’t shit to a pissed Asura ><.

  24. pimpmage December 30, 2013 at 9:12 pm -      #25

    “When you make his daughter cry, he’s immune from anything that would prevent him from beating you to death.”
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    So you meant to say asura has no form of mind shielding. Good, GEoM wins by scrambling asura’s brains to bits with a single thought.

  25. Xornell December 30, 2013 at 9:41 pm -      #26

    “So you meant to say asura has no form of mind shielding. Good, GEoM wins by scrambling asura’s brains to bits with a single thought.”
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    Not before he and Endor are reduced to atoms before an MFTL planet-sized fist.

  26. Watchdog Lowk December 30, 2013 at 9:47 pm -      #27

    I got three qeustions.
    1. Does Asura even have a brain. I thought he was like a magical demigod robot.
    2. If asura was going ftl in the space scene wouldn’t that make his fist blast even faster since they were reaching targets before him?
    3. @pimpmage
    Does Geom have perception fast enough to do so against someone like Asura?

  27. pimpmage December 30, 2013 at 9:49 pm -      #28

    Oh, I almost forgot. I brought this up last GEoM match. GEoM is a perpetual and is unkillable. Read up on the GEoM vs Galactus match and the gekko moriah vs vulkan match for details on perpetuals.

  28. Xornell December 30, 2013 at 9:52 pm -      #29

    “Oh, I almost forgot. I brought this up last GEoM match. GEoM is a perpetual and is unkillable. ”
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    First, you never proved this. Also, as per the rules, in a match where one opponent can regen indefinitely, the first death is usually the clincher. Of course I think that only applies to people who take a while to reincarnate or regen, not characters who can do it instantly.

  29. pimpmage December 30, 2013 at 9:54 pm -      #30

    “Does Geom have perception fast enough to do so against someone like Asura?”
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    outskirtsbattledome.wikispaces.com/Character+Profile+-+The+God+Emperor+of+Man
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    “Speed: Massively hypersonic+, likely higher (far faster than his Primarchs, who are easily in the quadruple digits mach range), potentially FTL+ reactions/close combat speed (fought the C’Tan Void Dragon on equal footing and punched it from Earth straight to Mars)”

  30. pimpmage December 30, 2013 at 9:55 pm -      #31

    “First, you never proved this. Also, as per the rules, in a match where one opponent can regen indefinitely, the first death is usually the clincher. Of course I think that only applies to people who take a while to reincarnate or regen, not characters who can do it instantly.”
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    I did prove this, but you refuse to accept it. And that sounds totally fair about the first death deal. Guess it is pretty much irrelevant here.

  31. Xornell December 30, 2013 at 9:59 pm -      #32

    “outskirtsbattledome.wikispaces.com/Character+Profile+-+The+God+Emperor+of+Man”
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    OBD wiki’s are, as we’ve seen elsewhere, notoriously incorrect.

  32. Xornell December 30, 2013 at 10:02 pm -      #33

    “I did prove this, but you refuse to accept it.”
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    No. You gave a quote from the Emperor which stated something along the lines of “We are similar”, which was directed at a Perpetual. A perpetual who was also genetically similar to the Emprah and who was also a psychic. Further, perpetuals as I understand them can regenerate from wounds, which the Emperor has not, and know they will reincarnate, which the Emperor has not

  33. pimpmage December 30, 2013 at 10:08 pm -      #34

    “No. You gave a quote from the Emperor which stated something along the lines of “We are similar”, which was directed at a Perpetual. A perpetual who was also genetically similar to the Emprah and who was also a psychic. Further, perpetuals as I understand them can regenerate from wounds, which the Emperor has not, and know they will reincarnate, which the Emperor has not”
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    I also quoted one perpetual naming the emperor and vulkan both perpetuals. And for the last time, I have explained this several times and it just will not stick. Perpetuals only regenerate after they die. GEoM hasn’t died.

  34. Jake_Uzumaki December 30, 2013 at 10:17 pm -      #35

    Wouldn’t being left in the void of space or..more likely atomized across the solar system their in count as death, and if he can’t be destroyed then wouldn’t he go flying out of the solar system when hit by a planet/planetoid sized fist moving massively faster than light?

  35. Epicazeroth December 30, 2013 at 10:39 pm -      #36

    Yeah, at this level of battle, being punched out of the galaxy seems like it would count as BFR.

  36. pimpmage December 30, 2013 at 10:45 pm -      #37

    Well, there should be ways to easily deal and permenantly get rid of perpetuals. But the night haunter couldn’t even find a way to get rid of vulcan. You could possibly turn one to ashe then throw the remains in liquid metal. There should be no space to regenerate. Same goes with throwing the ashes into a sun. It shouldn’t be possible to recover from that untill the sun dies off.
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    It should be possible to starve a perpetual to nothingness too. In the book vulcan lives, vulcan was not fed for an extremely long time. And he wasn’t allowed to excercise either. So he was wasting away but not dying.

  37. Glutinous-Bicarbonate December 30, 2013 at 10:46 pm -      #38

    Demigods can absorb the Mantra (souls) of Humans when killed. Is it possible for Asura to crush the GEOM, then consume his Mantra?

  38. pimpmage December 30, 2013 at 11:06 pm -      #39

    I doubt anyone could even fit their mouth around GEoM’s soul. What makes perpetuals functions is their soul is unable to enter the warp upon death. This happens through reincarnations when souls are pulled back from the warp and placed back in the owner’s body. That is how perpetuals have been explained to be created so far.

  39. Glutinous-Bicarbonate December 31, 2013 at 12:00 am -      #40

    Asura became the Destructor upon activating both his own Mantra Reactor (a similar one allowing Wyzen to grow to his immense size) and the Reactor built into the Brahmastra, which was meant to convert and handle the power of billions of accumulated human souls and tens of thousands of years of prayer.
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    He might.

  40. pimpmage December 31, 2013 at 12:16 am -      #41

    Well, you gotta take into account GEoM’s mental fortitude. To be able to resist your soul being torn from your body.

  41. Aelfinn December 31, 2013 at 1:07 am -      #42

    ““Speed: Massively hypersonic+, likely higher (far faster than his Primarchs, who are easily in the quadruple digits mach range), potentially FTL+ reactions/close combat speed (fought the C’Tan Void Dragon on equal footing and punched it from Earth straight to Mars)””
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    That’s not fast enough. Asura is, using extremely low-end estimates, 1800 times faster than light. Faster, albeit still low-end, estimates put him at over 100,000 times faster than light.

  42. pimpmage December 31, 2013 at 1:09 am -      #43

    Really? From the videos I have seen, it takes him a few seconds worth of grunting and yelling before every punch he throws.

  43. Glutinous-Bicarbonate December 31, 2013 at 1:38 am -      #44

    And the shots then far outpace his flight speed, and he can fire bursts able to cover a wide spread.

  44. Jake_Uzumaki December 31, 2013 at 1:48 am -      #45

    @Pimpmage
    yeah, throughout that whole segment hes rocketing past millions of stars as Chakravartin throws planets and suns at him at equal speeds. throughout that segment he’s flying at ftl dodging or blowing up planets and suns and plowing through a supermassive planet easily as large as a gas giant.
    The scope is just decieving because your flying towards a being with galaxies floating behind him, not stars but galaxies. That and the style of the game, sort of like all the yelling and charging in the DBZ anime even though the times were usually quicker in the manga.

  45. Kitten Lord December 31, 2013 at 7:18 am -      #46

    If a planet was going faster than light, it would likely burn up into fragments before Asura himself even got to it, in fact, Chak wouldn’t be able to throw anything at Asura if that was the speed he was aiming to launch at Asura because his projectiles would turn molten and blast into atoms by themselves as they left his hand.

    Unless were also assuming these planets are somehow made of some sort of unobtainium….which probably cannot be proven without the aforementioned circular logic.

    This bit here;

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgxPJgfYpQ8

    At 2:22 and 3:00 is the GEOM only chance, before Asura activates his thruster which propels him FTL. Before then he appears to be moving maybe tens or hundreds of thousands mph but assuming they start a fair distance and the GEOM’s mental powers don’t cover any distance like most, he should be able to do it.

    Asura seems to have a mind, hes not completely mindless so unless it can be proven he does not have an actual brain of any kind and GEOM requires a brain to target, and cannot target the mind itself then this is GEOM’s only chance before he gets punched.

  46. pimpmage December 31, 2013 at 8:42 am -      #47

    @jake
    I was bringing up the yelling and grunting because its possible that he has to charge up all those times via grunting.

  47. TrashMan January 3, 2014 at 5:40 pm -      #48

    Asuras Wrath is a crappy game – nothing but a series of QTE and a rediclous story. And Asura is a one note, flat character.

    That said, I’ve yet to see anything that sez Asura is massively FTL. Flying around in space – even if we assume what we’re seeing is “real” and not just visual candy – is not an impressive feat.

  48. Glutinous-Bicarbonate January 3, 2014 at 6:00 pm -      #49

    @Trash
    Prepare your anus.

  49. sadot06 January 3, 2014 at 6:59 pm -      #50

    Lol yes. Flying by galaxies per second and punching Suns isn’t impressive. Cool story bro.

  50. Aelfinn January 3, 2014 at 7:04 pm -      #51

    “And Asura is a one note, flat character.”
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    IMO he’s a pretty good character. He’s more than just “RAGE!!” like Kratos or the Hulk (even though it is what gives him power) and he has varying interactions with his surroundings and other characters. Whether it’s care for a little girl who reminds him of his daughter, begrudging acceptance of his brother-in-law (who was involved in his betrayal), or anger towards Deus, he isn’t pure anger. But, you know, different strokes for different folks, I guess.
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    “That said, I’ve yet to see anything that sez Asura is massively FTL.”
    -
    In that video I posted, we see Asura pass two planets within a second of each other. Assuming that he’s even within our solar system anymore, that would mean he went 30 light-minutes in one second. Ergo, that’s 1800 times FTL.
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    physics.stackexchange.com/questions/26700/how-long-does-it-take-for-radio-or-light-waves-to-travel-from-earth-to-jupiter
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    Now, assuming that he only went to the nearest star system to get to Chakravartin means he traveled about 4.2 light-years. This happened in the first 12 minutes of the video (which included a lot of non-travel time!). This puts Asura at 184,082 times faster than light. Double that to 368,164 if you want to exclude the non-traveling cutscenes.
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    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_stars
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    If we assume Asura only left the Galaxy, that’s 23,000 light-years (the short way) in about 6 minutes. That’s a “bit” over 2 billion times the speed of light.
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    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way

  51. Glutinous-Bicarbonate January 3, 2014 at 7:16 pm -      #52

    Any idea how much Destructor Asura might mass, and how much energy would result from him hitting something at whatever speed he was going? Giant Golden Mudra Chakravartin pretty much took that to punch into.

  52. pimpmage January 3, 2014 at 7:44 pm -      #53

    This was brought up in the naruto+bleach vs hxh+op match. But if he was really going light speed +, he wouldn’t be visible to even the player. And also, I am sure traveling at 180,000 times light speed wouldn’t just casually move through a galaxy without time warping and the universe imploding or whatnot. It just seems all a bit showy and not to be taken at face value. I mean, if you are using distances for speed calcs, but not going off of other visual cue’s that contradict said speed quoted. It just seems a bit silly.

  53. Aelfinn January 3, 2014 at 7:59 pm -      #54

    “Any idea how much Destructor Asura might mass, and how much energy would result from him hitting something at whatever speed he was going? Giant Golden Mudra Chakravartin pretty much took that to punch into.”
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    That’s difficult. Once you go FTL the laws of physics really break down, as that means one would have Infinite Energy. There is an equation that accounts for relativistic movements, but once you reach lightspeed you have to divide by zero, and that’s not a fun thing to do. If I straight guesstimate using the “usual” kinetic energy formula and guessing that Asura has the mass of Earth, we get this:
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    KE at 1800 FTL: 8.69 * 10^47 Joules. About equal to the most powerful gamma ray burst ever, and around 4.9 times the sun’s mass turned to energy.
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    KE at 2 billion FTL: 1.07 * 10^60 Joules. That’s the mass-energy of TEN MILKY WAY GALAXIES.
    -
    But that’s assuming if that equation applies anymore. Considering Asura used pure magic-jetpack to achieve those speeds (and seemingly no warp-effects), it’s not that unreasonable.

  54. Kitten Lord January 3, 2014 at 8:21 pm -      #55

    We know Asuras force on impact because he punches a huge planetoid that looks much alike toa lump of rock. He sort of burns “through” it but his impact does not cause any major blast wave or the like, he literally just cuts through it as if hes merely a hot chisel.

    “In that video I posted, we see Asura pass two planets within a second of each other. Assuming that he’s even within our solar system anymore”

    Assuming as said by Pimp this is not just eye candy Chak is pretty much vomiting planets out isn’t he? Some seem to be right next to each other in some cases so him passing them does not necessarily mean hes having to pass lightyears of space. Theres also very little to suggest “where” chak is himself. At the centre of the solar system, galaxy or millions of miles away. Theres little sense of scale or logic at all tbh in the Asuras wrath universe.

  55. Aelfinn January 4, 2014 at 6:28 pm -      #56

    “But if he was really going light speed +, he wouldn’t be visible to even the player.”
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    Which would make for a terrible game.
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    “I mean, if you are using distances for speed calcs,”
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    Except that’s what speed is: distance divided by time.
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    “Chak is pretty much vomiting planets out isn’t he?”
    -
    But it’s very clear which ones he’s throwing at you and which ones were naturally-occuring.
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    “ome seem to be right next to each other in some cases so him passing them does not necessarily mean hes having to pass lightyears of space.”
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    The “distances between planets” calc is used as a conservative estimate. That’s how fast he would be going if he passed two adjacent planets in our solar system. You saw the calc where he went to the next system, and how it drastically increased his speed.
    =
    The “nearest star system” speed would result in a KE of 3.637 * 10^52 Joules. That’s about 52.7 billion star-busters.

  56. Kitten Lord January 4, 2014 at 6:44 pm -      #57

    But as I said, we know his power does not act like that, since we see him impact, and not bust a large planetoid and just carving it. So we know he is not that fast, at least not in that scene.

    At best we know hes a sun-buster with his projectiles because if I recall he blasted a sun with one.

    “But it’s very clear which ones he’s throwing at you and which ones were naturally-occurring”

    Arguable, the actual gameplay where you see him throwing stuff at you is obvious sure, but theres a lot of time where you cant see Chak, a lot of close ups of Asura, a lot of showings of him travelling etc where you cant know for sure if Chak is creating the planets Asura is flying past or not.

    “The “distances between planets” calc is used as a conservative estimate”

    As long as its outlined as nothing but an estimate, we don’t know how Asura’s Wrath’suniverse really works nor do we know distance between any of those planets.

    Maybe calculating the size of that vast planet thing Chak tosses at him tht looks like a star sized moon would make it easier to know how long it takes him to pass a certain area. Then again it was putting up some resistance to him.

    Tell me though, why does Asuras speed seem fairly slow in other scenes. Outside of the space one, isn’t he still just as powerful when fighting Chak in that “horizon” zone? Or when flying towards him later on. I assume only destructor mode is fast with the jet pack?

  57. Aelfinn January 4, 2014 at 7:44 pm -      #58

    “But as I said, we know his power does not act like that, since we see him impact, and not bust a large planetoid and just carving it.”
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    Except that is the more realistic way of doing it. If you don’t have a large enough surface area to deliver energy, an object will break at the site of impact instead of delivering it everywhere. Not to mention the fact that Asura did not run into it full-bore and immediately slow down. Asura kept going, which means he didn’t deliver all (or even most) of his energy to the large planetoid.
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    “I assume only destructor mode is fast with the jet pack?”
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    Destructor mode + jet pack is the fastest we see him. He can go pretty damn fast when he wants, though.
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    In this video:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF8LmLFkec0
    We see some fast flying from Asura and Yasha, not to mention some pretty good reactions. When they fly around to face the Earth-monster from the front (at around 8:10), I used some math to guesstimate that they went over Mach 2900 (I could explain exactly how I did it, but I’m not sure that adds to the discussion right now).
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    In this video as well, at about 10:15, there are more reactions and demonstrations of speed:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwuj01GfNBI
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  58. Kitten Lord January 4, 2014 at 8:19 pm -      #59

    ” If you don’t have a large enough surface area to deliver energy”

    True enough, though that’s still the best were given on his physical force, smashing into that rock. I don’t think hes ever done better that’s gaugeable anyway.

    “In this video as well, at about 10:15, there are more reactions and demonstrations of speed:”

    Its also amusing to see those rubber banding arms of Chakravartins lol, that character is so unusual in some of its attacks and appearances. Also, I wonder if Chak himself has good reactions, because he seems to get hit a lot. Could be just PIS but still, the fact remains he gets his face grabbed, his stomach punched etc. I guess he does not care because he can soak it.

    Still to the thread at hand, can it be proven Asura can survive the mind powers of the God Emperor if hes hit with them, more to the point, does he have any feats at all? Does his mind ever get hit by psychic powers of the God emperors nature? You claimed earlier hes like a robot/machine and so would not have a brain or mind, is this a fact, that he does not? Or is that based on Asura appearing to be somewhat of a metal golem in appearance?

  59. Amm0vamp1r3 January 4, 2014 at 8:45 pm -      #60

    Yea gods in Asuras wrath seem to be mechanical. You see it when Asuras arms are blown off. When Augus gets ripped in half and multiple other times

  60. Glutinous-Bicarbonate January 4, 2014 at 9:01 pm -      #61

    They’re heavily cybernetized. To what extent, we’re never told. But it appears the Guardian Generals at the time the game starts are mostly machine, powered by Mantra. But they still possess emotion and physical desires, so unless those are simulated, they have some biology.

  61. SgCombine January 4, 2014 at 9:47 pm -      #62

    That and Asura had a kid, so there must be something left.

  62. Aelfinn January 5, 2014 at 12:12 am -      #63

    “You claimed earlier hes like a robot/machine and so would not have a brain or mind, is this a fact, that he does not?”
    -
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g9bSe4J94g
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih8EM1RNmP8
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    In the first video, starting at about 12 minutes (you may need to watch a little after that), you will see why I called him a robot. After about the 9-minute mark (even though I recommend starting at 7:30) in the second video you will see that as well.
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    Whenever one of the Generals dies, they tend to dissolve into Mantra or some-such, leaving no physical body behind (regular humans leave corpses in-universe). It is likely that the GE could mess with the mind of Asura, but it would likely be in a form that he had not encountered before. Coupled with Asura’s speed, that means the GE may win a few fights out of a hundred, but probably nowhere close to a majority.

  63. Tarbel January 5, 2014 at 1:35 am -      #64

    I think someone should just try to prove that GEoM can react at massively hypersonic speeds at close range before thinking he could try something on Asura. And probably also prove that the mind control will work instantaneously on a demi-god thing.

  64. pimpmage January 5, 2014 at 1:55 am -      #65

    Its less mind control, more soul annihilating/brain exploding power. And like I said earlier, Alot of his stuff has a second or two charge up time(to yell or activate his jet boosters, he doesn’t start the match flying at GEoM at whatever the heck ridiculous speeds he is capable of, right? All GEoM needs is a single thought, and that mixed with his primarch+ reaction speeds says a dead asura to me.

  65. Aelfinn January 5, 2014 at 2:07 am -      #66

    “Its less mind control, more soul annihilating/brain exploding power. ”
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    The same principle applies.
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    “Alot of his stuff has a second or two charge up time(to yell or activate his jet boosters, he doesn’t start the match flying at GEoM at whatever the heck ridiculous speeds he is capable of, right?”
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    He starts over Endor, as mad-pissed at anyone he’s ever been. He is going to punch Endor with all three moon-sized fists as fast and as hard as he can, at star-busting levels of power. There’s going to be very little time for the GE to do anything, let alone identify, adapt to, and destroy Asura’s mind.
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    “All GEoM needs is a single thought”
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    Alright, when has that been proven?

  66. Neon Lord January 5, 2014 at 3:55 am -      #67

    I thought this a stomp as soon as I saw Asura’s size.

  67. Kitten Lord January 5, 2014 at 7:12 am -      #68

    “GEoM can react at massively hypersonic speeds at close range ”

    Irrelevent if the God Emperors range is as great as some have claimed, I think I have heard that he can use his mind across worlds or across the universe or some such, I may have been mistaken on those comments though but he does if I recall keep up the network of lanes the ships of the imperium use right through his mind and that’s galactic?

    “Whenever one of the Generals dies, they tend to dissolve into Mantra or some-such, leaving no physical body behind (regular humans leave corpses in-universe). It is likely that the GE could mess with the mind of Asura, but it would likely be in a form that he had not encountered before. Coupled with Asura’s speed, that means the GE may win a few fights out of a hundred, but probably nowhere close to a majority.”

    Well I can see how Asura has mechanical looking arms and what not, but as SgCombine said, he had child, so maybe they only appear to be mechanical, or maybe part of them is but not all. Mantra seems to be the spirit of these beings turned physical or that’s my take at least. They get “mantra” or “soul raped” which leads ot their bodies being destroyed as well, maybe their made up of mantra, is this even explained in the game exactly or are most comments on their being theories based on player opinions? Does it ever directly say “mechanized/cybernetic” entities.

    As for a majority, speed only plays a part if the GEOM cannot activate an effective, battle ending mind power straight off the bat. If it can be proven GEOM can mind wipe him, soul destroy etc then Asura is defenceless because I don’t think I have seen anything beyond physical blasts used on him most of the time. He wins through prowess of his speed and strength. I see the GEOM taking this during the period I outlined in post #46, Asura does not from a standing position to lightspeed in nano seconds. It takes him a lot of time to prepare, time the GEOM assuming he can use this power as quickly as he needs to (a few seconds). He can win this with fair ease. Mind over matter.

    So I ditto Aelfinn;


    Alright, when has that been proven?”

  68. pimpmage January 5, 2014 at 8:56 am -      #69

    “Alright, when has that been proven?”
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    You mean that the GEoM is the strongest psyker in the imperium by several orders of magnitude? Or that psykers cast powers in the time it takes to have a thought?
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    “”I can pulp your flesh and snap your bones in less than a second and without so much as lifting a finger. What is the power of technology compared to that?”
    — Vel’Cona, Chief Librarian of the Salamanders”

  69. Cassie Hack January 5, 2014 at 10:25 am -      #70

    That sounds like a hyperbole honestly.

  70. Kitten Lord January 5, 2014 at 11:35 am -      #71

    Hyperbole or not, that’s only one excert and hes threatening to “pulp flesh”, something I doubt GEOM could do to Asura considering Asuras own damage soak, so wheres a piece of evidence for mind rape or soul rape? both preferably and it being something quick and simple to do on a whim.

  71. Cassie Hack January 5, 2014 at 11:47 am -      #72

    I was more inferring to the less than a second thing than the pulping flesh.

  72. pimpmage January 5, 2014 at 12:05 pm -      #73

    I don’t have any quotes with me on GEoM’s soul rape powers atm, though I believe there was a paragraph or two describing the fight between him and horus in a codex somewhere. GEoM finished off chaos infused horus with a soul destroying mind attack so chaos could never ressurect him.
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    Psykers are super capable of amazing feats, killing an individual in a gruesome way is a childs trick. There was a psyker from an Alpha Legion story that could snap hive towers in half with her mind. And keep in mind, 40k hive towers are the size of major US cities and house hundreds of millions, if not billions of humans.

  73. Aelfinn January 5, 2014 at 12:24 pm -      #74

    “I may have been mistaken on those comments though but he does if I recall keep up the network of lanes the ships of the imperium use right through his mind and that’s galactic?”
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    He is the source of the Astronomicon (and is sacrificed 1000 psykers every day to keep it running), which is a beacon in the Warp that extends about 60,000 lightyears. It is not a network, but the pilots of Imperial ships can use this beacon to navigate the Warp. They use this beacon to orient themselves and allow them to get where they want to go. It is not in real-space, and he doesn’t exert control over this area. It’s not the best way to demonstrate galactic range, as that area doesn’t necessarily mean he can mind/sould-rape in it.
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    ” Does it ever directly say “mechanized/cybernetic” entities.”
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    Yasha connects a “Mantra Reactor” into Asura’s chest, which is not something you can do to a mostly-organic being. We see electricity sparking whenever they are broken and internal mechanical parts. It’s pretty clear that most of their bodies are mechanical.
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    “Mantra seems to be the spirit of these beings turned physical or that’s my take at least. They get “mantra” or “soul raped” which leads ot their bodies being destroyed as well,”
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    The souls of humans can be converted into Mantra, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they are the same thing. Mantra is a source of magical power that comes from Chakravartin. Not only does he say this, but Mithra does as well. Mithra is the most experienced Mantra-manipulator besides Chakravartin (she’s a priestess who converts humanity’s prayers into Mantra for the Generals). Right before Asura kills Chak, Mithra tells him that if he kills him “All the Mantra will be lost. Without Mantra, [Asura] cannot survive.” Once Chak is dead (ergo, the Mantra is gone), Asura turns into that same sparkly-stuff. If you watch until after the credits, we see the main cast is reincarnated. That indicates their souls are not equivalent to Mantra.
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    “speed only plays a part if the GEOM cannot activate an effective, battle ending mind power straight off the bat.”
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    Speed can determine who does something “straight off the bat”. Considering the anger Asura has, he is going to punch Endor and atomize the GE straight off the bat.
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    “It takes him a lot of time to prepare,”
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    I’m not really seeing that. When Asura is angry, he punches as hard and as strong and as fast as he can. He isn’t starting a solar-system away from the GE and needs to go FTL, he’s starting right there. All he needs to do is start the punch, and if the GE somehow mind-wipes him in that time, Asura’s momentum will still destroy Endor.

  74. Kitten Lord January 5, 2014 at 1:02 pm -      #75

    What if he does destroy Endor, why will that necessarily kill the Emperor?

    Theres also the fact that although I have asked whether or not the Emperor can/will do this, I have yet to ask when has Asura ever just punched the planet hes fighting on, how do you know this is what hes going to do? In the game hes launching himself at Chakravartin, when onboard the ship fighting chak in your video he didn’t just punch the ship and destroy it did he? he was aiming for Chak the whole time. I am doubtful Asura would use collateral damage to try and kill the Emperor.

    Not to mention doubtful of Asura being capable of so easily busting “endor” in this case from a standing position, I assume their just standing on the planet, Asura needs time to build some sort of momentum to create any real force.

    ” If you watch until after the credits, we see the main cast is reincarnated. That indicates their souls are not equivalent to Mantra.”

    Fair enough, so Mantra is just Chaks energy?

    “Speed can determine who does something “straight off the bat”. ”

    Arguable to an extent, although your fundamentally right, weve talking about mostly Asuras movement speed, but him being able to travel at light speed says nothing for his reactions, which say nothing for his analytical skills, which is what is necessary for him to decide “hm, you know ill just punch the planet this should win me the battle!” rather than deciding to do something else.

  75. Xornell January 5, 2014 at 1:57 pm -      #76

    ““”I can pulp your flesh and snap your bones in less than a second and without so much as lifting a finger. What is the power of technology compared to that?”
    — Vel’Cona, Chief Librarian of the Salamanders””
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    This isn’t mindrape, that’s TK.
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    “What if he does destroy Endor, why will that necessarily kill the Emperor?”
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    Because starbusting punches are way above the Emperor’s durability threshold.
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    “:I am doubtful Asura would use collateral damageto try and kill the Emperor.”
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    He wouldn’t. He’d be using his fist to kill the Emperor. Endor getting shitted on is the collateral.
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    “Asura needs time to build some sort of momentum to create any real force.”
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    Which he could do, since he has FTL speed.
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    “which is what is necessary for him to decide “hm, you know ill just punch the planet this should win me the battle!” rather than deciding to do something else.”
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    I would agree if “I’m just gonna punch it till it stops moving” wasn’t Asura’s go to strategy for… Everything.

  76. DragonRebornLotM January 5, 2014 at 2:29 pm -      #77

    “I would agree if “I’m just gonna punch it till it stops moving” wasn’t Asura’s go to strategy for… Everything.”
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    I laughed way to hard at this.

  77. Kitten Lord January 5, 2014 at 2:50 pm -      #78

    @Xornell

    “since he has FTL speed”

    Once hes built up momentum, if he can do that in a few seconds, which I have yet to see Ill give him a pat on the back.

    “wasn’t Asura’s go to strategy for… Everything.”

    It wasn’t, it was I am going to punch the target I am trying to get my hands on, granted some things got in his way at times but Endor is not necessarily in his way, I don’t see why he wouldn’t just go for the Emperor.

    “Because starbusting punches”

    The only star hes busted or destroyed in any way is one he spammed his energy blast things at in the gameplay.

  78. Aelfinn January 5, 2014 at 2:55 pm -      #79

    “so Mantra is just Chaks energy?”
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    As near as can be determined, yes.
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    “I have yet to ask when has Asura ever just punched the planet hes fighting on, how do you know this is what hes going to do?”
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    Asura isn’t on Endor. He can’t be: he’s bigger than it. If anything, Endor would be on him.
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    “Not to mention doubtful of Asura being capable of so easily busting “endor” in this case from a standing position, I assume their just standing on the planet, Asura needs time to build some sort of momentum to create any real force.”
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    Asura, in a vastly weaker form, was able to kill the planet-sized Wyzen with one punch while standing up. He doesn’t need too much momentum (none at all, really) to deliver effective attacks.
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    “but him being able to travel at light speed says nothing for his reactions,”
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    He was able to interact with lightspeed/FTL planets while flying towards Chak, fly and maneuver at Mach 2900+, dodge all of Chak’s bendy-straw arms, and block Augus’ and Chak’s punches with his own when he fought them. Not to mention he caught Augus’ sword, the one that was extending from the Moon to Earth. His reactions are fairly decent.

  79. Kitten Lord January 5, 2014 at 3:01 pm -      #80

    @Aeflinn

    “Asura, in a vastly weaker form, was able to kill the planet-sized Wyzen ”

    I know, Wyzen sort of got smothered in energy and then exploded. I am doubtful the same would happen if Asura was attacking a non mantra being, it appears to me like that is more of a aspect of how Wyzen, or a mantra being such as him would die, not a planet.

    “His reactions are fairly decent.”

    Based on what evidence? Your list has only one source of proof and that’s Chaks “bendy” arms, but we can all see hes simply coming from the front, that’s not exactly some amazing reaction feat when you consider both characters are fighting in basically one direction and with little real variation in their attacks, just slapping fists together which can be said true for most of Asuras opponents.

    What on his analytical skills or decision making, can we scale anything of a major thought process in Asura beyond just “arrhhh ime going to fly at you and kill you!” ?

  80. Aelfinn January 5, 2014 at 3:08 pm -      #81

    “The only star hes busted or destroyed in any way is one he spammed his energy blast things at in the gameplay.”
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    Chak throws large, bright-orange spheres that require more energy-punches to blow up than the planets do. That sounds kinda like a star to me.

  81. Xornell January 5, 2014 at 3:16 pm -      #82

    “I don’t see why he wouldn’t just go for the Emperor.”
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    He would just go for the Emperor. Where is the Emperor? Endor. What is Asura’s fist bigger than? Endor. What’s going to get obliterated in the first punch? Endor. And Emp’s body.
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    The first thing Asura’s going to do is swing at the Emperor with a fist bigger than the planet he’s standing on. This fist is packed with energy that can starbust and is moving FTL, or at least approaching it. Even IF the Emperor can mindwipe him, which is pretty doubtful in the first place, he’s still going to be demolished by the still-moving, planet-sized fist hurtling toward the planet. And seriously, the Emperor used his soul-killing one time after a hell of a battle. His first instinct would be combat, then TK, then maybe mindrape.

  82. Kitten Lord January 5, 2014 at 3:22 pm -      #83

    @Aeflinn

    “That sounds kinda like a star to me”

    Also sounds like orbs of magic energy, who knows?

    It amounts to the same thing though, Asura hitting what are essentially planetoids. I don’t think you really ever see a full sized star just get punched and busted by Asura. If there is though ill watch the vid.

    @Xornell

    “This fist is packed with energy that can starbust and is moving FTL,”

    Any calc for him moving FTL is when hes using a thruster to propel himself through space and is more importantly based on assumptions of space between planets, stars and Chak in a scene. Its a dubius claim to say Asura can just swing his fist from a standing/flying position in one go at FTL.

    “Even IF the Emperor can mindwipe him, which is pretty doubtful in the first place”

    Only because theres little evidence on the table for the Emperor mind raping anything tbh, nothing on Asuras part, hes basically an almost mindless torrent of anger whos never faced a powerful psychic trying to mind rape him.

    “he’s still going to be demolished by the still-moving, planet-sized fist hurtling toward the planet. ”

    If Asura is mindraped first then the Emperor still wins since he drew first blood right? Factpile does not count on how long a being lives after they have killed the opponent do they?

  83. Aelfinn January 5, 2014 at 3:23 pm -      #84

    ” I am doubtful the same would happen if Asura was attacking a non mantra being,”
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    Nothing else in the game explodes, IIRC. Even if that was a Wyzen-specific death, Asura still destabilized a planets’ worth of matter. He is still strong when standing still.
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    “Based on what evidence? Your list has only one source of proof”
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    Your conclusion seems to be ignoring the FTL planets and him flying and maneuvering at high Mach speeds.
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    “both characters are fighting in basically one direction and with little real variation in their attacks, just slapping fists together which can be said true for most of Asuras opponents.”
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    That doesn’t mean the reaction times don’t have to be fairly good to meet up with someone else’s super-fast fists.
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    “What on his analytical skills or decision making, can we scale anything of a major thought process in Asura beyond just “arrhhh ime going to fly at you and kill you!” ?”
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    Firstly, he doesn’t need it for this fight. Secondly, he’s never in a combat situation where punching the bad guy hasn’t worked for him. Thirdly, if you’re commenting on his intelligence as a whole, he obviously has some (considering his interactions with Durga), and he has the morals to kill Chak even when made aware it will cost him his own life.
    =
    I should also bring up how Asura punched through a dimension. When he was fighting Chak in that area after the Event Horizon (where he was falling and there were columns and clouds), that place was called Naraka, and Asura had gone there when he died. It was Chak’s dimension, and when Asura punches through it, they go back to Event Horizon.

  84. Aelfinn January 5, 2014 at 3:29 pm -      #85

    “If there is though ill watch the vid.”
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    There was the expanding star that was swallowing planets, but at about the 10 to 11 minute mark there are orange and then blue spheres that look more like Stars than “magic energy”.
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    “Only because theres little evidence on the table for the Emperor mind raping anything tbh, nothing on Asuras part, hes basically an almost mindless torrent of anger whos never faced a powerful psychic trying to mind rape him.”
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    The Emperor has never mind-raped a magical robot/cyborg.
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    “If Asura is mindraped first then the Emperor still wins since he drew first blood right? Factpile does not count on how long a being lives after they have killed the opponent do they?”
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    If you’re mind is messed with, you’re still alive, right? In most cases, it’s a win for the mind-raper because they completely removed a person’s sanity and ability to fight. However, even if Asura could be mind-raped, he’d still be alive after it, while Endor would not.

  85. Kitten Lord January 5, 2014 at 3:35 pm -      #86

    “Asura still destabilized a planets’ worth of matter”

    Well weve already discussed how their made up, or their power is made up of Mantra didn’t we? Theres little to discuss on him destabalising matter, its more to do with how mantra works, for all we know anything killing or sufficiently wounding Wyzen regardless of power would have the same effect. He literally just punches Wyzens hand a few times, its almost like Wyzens damage soak is questionable more than anything.

    “Your conclusion seems to be ignoring the FTL planets ”

    What makes you think planets are moving at FTL speed? How can you argue a planet even moving at that speed, it would break apart before even getting close wouldn’t it?

    “Asura punched through a dimension”

    That makes no sense and is nonsensical, since punching through a dimension means nothing and cannot be gauged or calculated can it? Further, you don’t know he punched through it, if your referring to him punching Chak while in that dimension for all you know he just defeated Chak again who broke down yet another illusion/battlefield, he keeps changing where their fighting in some manner. Where its in space, Naraka or Event Horizen it looks to me more like Chak is the one doing the choosing of where their fighting.

    “That doesn’t mean the reaction times don’t have to be fairly good to meet up with someone else’s super-fast fists.”

    His arms are huge while Chaks are kind of small, Chak himself not really moving his position and just swinging to reach Asura, all Asura seems to be doing is punching back to me. Its not like hes purely dodging round them. Not that Chak is fast, he gets hit all the time.

    “Firstly, he doesn’t need it for this fight”

    He needs ot be able to decide on something to do, both of the characters in this fight do. The only problem is, if GEOM chooses an action that requires little more than his thought alone, while Asura actually needs to start to move then Asura could be dead before hes barely started anything regardless of how impressive you think his movement or actual reaction to movement is. It still requires some sort of decision. Even if its whether to punch or launch one of his projectiles.

    Also, wouldn’t the gravity of Endor influence Asuras movement in any way? Moving in a vaccume is one thing but in the gravity of Endor? how big is endor compared to his home world?

  86. Glutinous-Bicarbonate January 5, 2014 at 3:38 pm -      #87

    “Also, wouldn’t the gravity of Endor influence Asuras movement in any way? Moving in a vaccume is one thing but in the gravity of Endor? how big is endor compared to his home world?”
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    There was no effect when he was flying past the thrown planets, not when approaching Chakravartin himself, who was considerably more massive than anything Asura had ever come nears. And Endor would be a fair bit smaller than Earth.

  87. Kitten Lord January 5, 2014 at 3:39 pm -      #88

    @aeflinn

    “However, even if Asura could be mind-raped, he’d still be alive after it”

    If hes under the control of the empror or if his head is cleaned out then hes basically defeated imo, I don’t see why the Emperor would have to destroy his body to win.

    “The Emperor has never mind-raped a magical robot/cyborg”

    That is nonsensical, its like saying Asuras never punched a being who can serve as a beacon for starships with his mind, it means little unless it can be proven Asuras mind cannot be touched by the Emperor and argued why Asura having mechanical parts of any kind changes his brain which I am still unsure of being completely non biological. His mind seems to work just the same as a regular human tbh.

  88. Kitten Lord January 5, 2014 at 3:47 pm -      #89

    “There was no effect when he was flying past the thrown planets, not when approaching Chakravartin himself, who was considerably more massive than anything Asura had ever come nears. And Endor would be a fair bit smaller than Earth.”

    Perhaps not but he was not in their gravity but come to think of it Endor is a moon, so I don’t suppose it would hinder him much anyway. As for Chakravartin, ts hard to tell how he affects gravity, if at all being a magical being, infact we don’t know much about Chaks mass at all since like a lot of things mantra related he just disappears in energy or falls apart when hit.

  89. pimpmage January 5, 2014 at 4:06 pm -      #90

    GEoM’s mind powers could do more than wipe someone’s brain and turn someone into a potato. Soul destroying mind powers remove a person’s soul from existance. If a soul is what is needed for a person to be alive, a person without a soul would be just a body. If GEoM does manage to win, asura would be just a body who’s punch would destroy endor after the fact. That would sound like a win the moment asuras soul is destroyed. Time stops and the match ends?

  90. Glutinous-Bicarbonate January 5, 2014 at 4:16 pm -      #91

    @Pimp
    -Could- being the key word here. There’s only a handful of instances in 40K canon of a soul being completely eradicated. It’s the reason Daemons come back after being banished, why many Chaos champions only become Daemon Princes after their first death. It’s actually extremely rare, and apparently not a mean feat.
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    The only instance I can recall of such a thing at the moment is when the Emprah annihilated Horus’s soul with his final attack.
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    40k mind rape does not always equal soul rape.

  91. Aelfinn January 5, 2014 at 4:32 pm -      #92

    “Theres little to discuss on him destabalising matter, its more to do with how mantra works”
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    What does this have to do with anything?
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    ” He literally just punches Wyzens hand a few times, its almost like Wyzens damage soak is questionable more than anything.”
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    Yeah, it’s not like Asura’s giant punch didn’t create a massive wave that traveled through Wyzen’s finger to kill him in his entirety or anything.
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    “What makes you think planets are moving at FTL speed?”
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    …Because they cross the massive distance between Chakravartin and Asura pretty damn quickly. Even if the planets stopped moving, Asura would approach them at his FTL speed.
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    ” How can you argue a planet even moving at that speed, it would break apart before even getting close wouldn’t it?”
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    Maybe because it’s fiction? If everything followed the laws of physics exactly it would be a boring-ass game.
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    “His arms are huge while Chaks are kind of small, Chak himself not really moving his position and just swinging to reach Asura, all Asura seems to be doing is punching back to me. Its not like hes purely dodging round them.”
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    Asura jukes out of the way of Chak’s arms that entire fight. I don’t know what you’re seeing. I wasn’t only talking about that fight, though. In the final fight with Chak, we see Asura and Chak go blow-for-blow, with their fists hitting each other.
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    “Not that Chak is fast, he gets hit all the time.”
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    Yeah, by Asura. That doesn’t prove anything one way or another.
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    “That is nonsensical, its like saying Asuras never punched a being who can serve as a beacon for starships with his mind, it means little unless it can be proven Asuras mind cannot be touched by the Emperor and argued why Asura having mechanical parts of any kind changes his brain which I am still unsure of being completely non biological. His mind seems to work just the same as a regular human tbh.”
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    A human brain works in a series of bio-chemical impulses. Asura’s would work in entirely different ways. His entire body gets filled with fire when he gets angry enough, and his body starts to be destroyed. If he had much of anything biological left, it wouldn’t survive during those points, but it does. Not to mention the fact that he can fight in space, which should be impossible for anything biological considering it needs oxygen.
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    “That would sound like a win the moment asuras soul is destroyed. Time stops and the match ends?”
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    I believe all effects should be carried out to conclusion. What if someone had an ability that would bring them back to life if their opponent died (say, a super-duper poison)? That should be accounted for, yes? The GE may technically get a win, but it would be Pyrrhic at best and a tie at worst.

  92. Kitten Lord January 5, 2014 at 4:50 pm -      #93

    @Behomoth

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    “40k mind rape does not always equal soul rape.”

    But the Emperor can do it then?

    @Aeflinn

    “Yeah, it’s not like Asura’s giant punch didn’t create a massive wave ”

    If that’s what you got it fair enough, but we don’t see any “giant waves” of force from any of Asuras attacks, not even after he gets far more powerful. Not anything that consumes masses on the level your claiming, hence why it seems to me more likely its simply Wyzens Mantra or power being overpowered and destabilised more than his mass.

    “Because they cross the massive distance between Chakravartin and Asura ”

    First, how do you know its a “massive” distance beyond the circular logic of Asura being FTL? We don’t have a real guage of distance beyond planets flying past Asura, and we cant really see how many planets are really passing nor do we truly know beyond guestimates on our own solarsystem and its distance between others how far any of the planets are between each other.

    A few facts we know is Chak can summon planets out of thin air, another thing we know I Asura is going at some speed, so potentially the planets may not need to go that quickly at all. What with the camera angles its not like we can follow all the planets on their course….

    If you take out the impossible (a lump of rock, even planet sized going at lightspeed without any heat evident at the least let alone surviving) you can come to some conclusions that at least make some sense.

    “Maybe because it’s fiction? If everything followed the laws of physics exactly it would be a boring-ass game”

    Your right, so why are you argueing them for speed, mass and all this other nonsense to gauge Asuras feats? Your calculating physics and space for Asura to get speed while admitting its a fiction and some things just don’t make sense. Its been said before that a lot of what you see is just flashy nonsense anyway especially in Asuras wrath.

    “A human brain works in a series of bio-chemical impulses. Asura’s would work in entirely different ways. His entire body gets filled with fire when he gets angry enough, and his body starts to be destroyed. If he had much of anything biological left, it wouldn’t survive during those points, but it does. Not to mention the fact that he can fight in space, which should be impossible for anything biological considering it needs oxygen.”

    potentially, but as you said above its fiction. It does not have to make sense, maybe Asuras brain does work differently but we don’t know if that’s a gauge on how the Emperor would be able to harm him or not, I don’t think Asura being “different” to a human automatically should assume the Emperor cannot do anything to him mentally or spiritually. Especially when we cant assume a difference in the brain is even relevant when its a “mind” attack, not all mind attacks may go through the brain would they? Since afterall the target is the mind ,not the brain, its just a general practice in some fictions.

    “Pyrrhic at best and a tie at worst.”

    Perhaps, but it would be a win and besides, the match seems to be in favour of Asura anyway since its putting him on a small moon, giving the Emperor who cannot apparently survive its destruction no chance of surviving even if the raging lommax falls brain dead onto the world….

  93. Xornell January 5, 2014 at 5:00 pm -      #94

    “That makes no sense and is nonsensical”
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    This is redundant and not needed. Lol, jk. Just bein’ a dick.
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    “Soul destroying mind powers remove a person’s soul from existance.”
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    Which the Emprah did once. Under considerable emotional distress after having the pudding beaten out of him. By power weapons no less.
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    I’m glad gravity was brought up. Let’s say everything goes according to the Emprah’s plan. He mindwipes Asura, and now there’s a planet-sized, mindless body lingering somewhere near Endor. Gravity is going to bring them together at some point. Wouldn’t a planetary collision wipe the planet in much the same way Asura’s fist would? Maybe not exploding it into billions of pieces, but certainly enough to kill everything on the planet.
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    Honestly don’t see it happening, though,

  94. pimpmage January 5, 2014 at 5:02 pm -      #95

    @Glut
    Like I said earlier, there is a reason horus was not revived or reincarnated in any way by chaos after his death. The emps utterly destroyed horus’s soul. The chaos gods have no soul going into the warp to manipulate.

  95. Aelfinn January 5, 2014 at 5:07 pm -      #96

    “but we don’t see any “giant waves” of force from any of Asuras attacks,”
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    I was using “wave” in a scientific sense. Energy that travels through a medium and all that jazz.
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    “hence why it seems to me more likely its simply Wyzens Mantra or power being overpowered and destabilised more than his mass.”
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    When is it implied, at all, that Wyzen’s power became destabilized? Wyzen’s entire body turned red and broke apart. We see that.
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    “Your right, so why are you argueing them for speed, mass and all this other nonsense to gauge Asuras feats? Your calculating physics and space for Asura to get speed while admitting its a fiction and some things just don’t make sense.”
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    Because that’s what the average person would actually consider and think about. The average joe-schmoe knows that “big distances in short time = very fast” and “fast thing = dangerous”. The average person, and definitely not the developers, are going to stop and think: “Huh, the stresses and friction caused by going lightspeed would tear a planet apart. I guess we shouldn’t put that into the game, then.” That’s bad for the game and wouldn’t stop anyone who actually did think about it.
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    “potentially, but as you said above its fiction. It does not have to make sense,”
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    You are right on that.
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    “I don’t think Asura being “different” to a human automatically should assume the Emperor cannot do anything to him mentally or spiritually.”
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    I never said that I’m automatically assuming the Emperor can’t do anything, though. Asura’s mind exists in a way that the Emperor has never encountered before. Asura’s mental state, his anger, is directly tied to how much power he gets. That is not something the Emperor is used to, and figuring out how to manipulate that mind the instant the fight starts is not something we can assume the GE can do.

  96. pimpmage January 5, 2014 at 5:09 pm -      #97

    @xornell
    The circumstances of the use of that power did not make GE ‘able’ to use it. GE decided it was time to end the fight.
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    In the case of this match, would both sides be blood lusted? Going all out from the start? Or are we keeping their personalities intact? It could make a difference. And I am sure GE knows there is no way he could physically match asura. So he should know to go all out at the start?

  97. Kitten Lord January 5, 2014 at 5:29 pm -      #98

    @Aeflinn

    “I was using “wave” in a scientific sense. Energy that travels through a medium and all that jazz.”

    Ok…

    “When is it implied, at all, that Wyzen’s power became destabilized? Wyzen’s entire body turned red and broke apart. We see that.”

    When his whole body turned red and he started falling apart. E.g. energy destabilising, afterall his power is entirely mantra based, not from physical mediums as such. If Asura defeated him purely physically, e.g. hit him so hard he fell apart his hand should have been the first to shatter, it wasn’t, for some daft reason his whole body glowed first and he sort of got cremated.

    “Because that’s what the average person would actually consider and think about”

    Arguable, I think the average person wouldn’t care, its only people on sites like this who care how fast he was going, I would imagine the average gamer just enjoyed the flashing projectiles and planets blowing up rather than careing how long it took Asura. Regardless, this is inconsequential to the fact everyone of any sound mind knows a planet somehow being launched at such speeds would be under more stresses than imaginable including devs, I guess, and I am thinking rightly here the devs didn’t care about science and this is the same for speed, how far Asura went is less important than what hes doing at the points your playing and why hes doing it, to kick Chaks ass.

    “That is not something the Emperor is used to, and figuring out how to manipulate that mind the instant the fight starts is not something we can assume the GE can do.”

    Potentially, but at the same time it could potentially be no problem at all, since Asura is featless in the mental feats and psychic department, its more we know the GEOM has something that can put him out of action if it works, while Asura has nothing, apart from the potential of his brain being too different. Asuras mind tbh isn’t that different to a persons, he has a ridiculous amount of wrath sure but he feels sorrow, pain and feeling in multiple forms, infact had I the power I woudnt be surprised if I acted the same way were I to have my daughter snatched by a bunch of traitorous generals. Its not like he is as alien to the Emperor as some of the other races the imperium has encountered.

    Also it may not be that different for the Emperor since in WH40k don’t you have “machine spirits” and machines that have some mental potential? My point being Asura may not be the first at least somewhat mechanical being with a mind the Emperor has knowledge of.

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    @Pimp

    “GE knows there is no way he could physically match asura. So he should know to go all out at the start?”

    I think that’s a given, I think on seeing Asura, what he needs to do would be obvious to the Emperor.

  98. sadot06 January 5, 2014 at 8:15 pm -      #99

    How is this still going on? We can’t assume that GEoM can instantly soul/mind wipe a magic cyborg larger than the planet he’s standing on without any evidence or precedent. The burden of proof is on you. If you can’t prove that there is nothing to discuss. We know Asura can one shot Endor, we know Asura is blood lusted, we know how he fights. He’s starting the match with a punch. Where is the evidence that GEoM can stop it?

  99. pimpmage January 5, 2014 at 8:40 pm -      #100

    @sadot
    ” We can’t assume that GEoM can instantly soul/mind wipe a magic cyborg larger than the planet he’s standing on without any evidence or precedent.”
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    The size of asura is irrelevant. GEoM has used his powers from orbit to ground level with great effect before. He used his powers to command 300,000 space marines and primarch logar to their knees.
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    “Where is the evidence that GEoM can stop it?”
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    If you were following along, we are trying to discuss if GE can mind rape asura before he even throws a punch.

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