Marcus Fenix Vs Sam Fisher

Marcus Fenix Vs Sam Fisher

Suggested by sgtnacho

Fenix gets:

Lancer
Longshot
Frag Grenade
Boltok Pistol

Fisher gets his primary loadout.

The Arena is the entire Thrashball stadium in Cole’s hometown, at sundown (8:00pm). Fenix doesn’t know the territory any more than Sam Fisher (Splinter Cell).

At sun up (roughly 6:30am) The Locust emerge in the stadium and will fight both combatants. They enter the fight in waves as seen in Horde mode.

As of 12:00pm (noon) COG (Gears of War) will Hammer of Dawn the whole stadium and kill everyone involved.

Even after killing their opponents, either fighter needs to survive for 45 minutes so they can be exfiltrated. In this time the Locust can kill them, or the Hammer of Dawn can kill them. If this happens, both fighters lose.

Both combatants have access to an ammo drop in the center of the Thrashball field. It cannot be emptied, destroyed, or moved.

Who Wins?

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43 Comments on "Marcus Fenix Vs Sam Fisher"

  1. Commander Farsight September 14, 2013 at 10:35 am -      #1

    First.
    IB with Fenix. Chainsaw guns for Badassery reasons only.

  2. Xornell September 14, 2013 at 10:59 am -      #2

    This is kinda a mismatch. Sam Fisher isn’t a fighter, he’s a secret agent/spy/stealth commando.
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    Also, considering this is the Locust, and enemy Fenix has experience with, he has another advantage.
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    Fenix is used to fighting a numerically superior enemy with little to no help and very little equipment. He’s physically more matched to fight the Locust because in GoW-verse, main characters look like this. www.pnas.org/content/94/23/12457/F2.large.jpg
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    The fight also takes place during the day (early morning, anyway), so this is one more nail in Fisher’s coffin.
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    Unless Fisher can set something up at night and hide out until Fenix dies somehow, I honestly can’t see this going his way.

  3. Amm0vamp1r3 September 14, 2013 at 11:05 am -      #3

    Marcus with the literal curb stomp

  4. Crimson Sentry September 14, 2013 at 11:11 am -      #4

    Dam I was excited when I thought this was a vs match at first but if its horde mode, clearly the guy who fights hordes in his flippin game has the upper hand, not to mention the calibur of everything in GoW is ridiculously high. Unless Sam has a minigun in his standard load out he is boned.

  5. Amm0vamp1r3 September 14, 2013 at 11:17 am -      #5

    What is his standard load out? I haven’t played black list but the one before it, I pretty sure I beat that with just a pistol.

  6. Draco September 14, 2013 at 12:56 pm -      #6

    Sam could pull a win, marcus doesn’t like to wear a helmet and all it’ll tak is one bullet.
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    Sam’s used to fighting dozens of highly trained, higly dangerous mercenary’s and other splinter cells.
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    The mtch strarts at 8 pm, the locust only come at 6 AM giving sam hours of time to kill the blundering roid-man. While sam’s EMP’s won’t be as effective on the guy, sam’s got plenty in his arsenal to stun and incapitate marcus and then put a round through his skull.
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    I think sam needs a little credit.

  7. Watchdog Lowk September 14, 2013 at 12:59 pm -      #7

    “What is his standard load out?”
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    Pistol
    Rifle
    and gadegts
    -explosives(mines, frags, charges)
    -taser weaponry(mine and crossbow version)
    -gas(sleep, smoke, tear)
    -mini flying drone with taser darts, stereo(distraction), emp, and explosive self destruct
    -Crossbow(gas, noise, emp, shock arrows)
    -mini cameras(shoots spleeping gas, can make noise as a distraction, explosive self destruct)
    -noisemakers
    -Knife
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    Holy shit that a lot of places for Fisher to hide and snipe from
    images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100608023121/gearsofwar/images/e/e3/Thrashball_Map_1280.jpg

  8. Draco September 14, 2013 at 1:01 pm -      #8

    Oh, and sam’s primary loadout (not counting blacklist) is usually his SC-20k nd his five-seven pistol
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    splintercell.wikia.com/wiki/SC-20K_M.A.W.S.
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    splintercell.wikia.com/wiki/Five-seveN
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    Both are silenced, and sam’s good at keeping hidden, especially in a place like this.

  9. Watchdog Lowk September 14, 2013 at 1:06 pm -      #9

    I forgot flashbangs.he has those now to.

  10. Xornell September 14, 2013 at 1:26 pm -      #10

    “Sam could pull a win, marcus doesn’t like to wear a helmet and all it’ll tak is one bullet.
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    Sam doesn’t wear a helmet either.
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    |”Sam’s used to fighting dozens of highly trained, higly dangerous mercenary’s and other splinter cells.”
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    Well, firstly, he’s used to hiding from them, maybe killing a few covertly, but not like this. And second, mercenaries =/= underground alien monsters.
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    “The mtch strarts at 8 pm, the locust only come at 6 AM giving sam hours of time to kill the blundering roid-man.”
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    Which would matter if the objective was to kill the other, which it’s not. Also as soon as Fenix gets eyes on Sam, it’s over. This is besides the fact that Sam will be left alone to fight off hordes of monsters for 5 and a half hours. Which he’s not doing by any stretch of the imagination.
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    “Holy shit that a lot of places for Fisher to hide and snipe from”
    “Both are silenced, and sam’s good at keeping hidden, especially in a place like this.”
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    He’s not staying hidden, midday, in an arena full of aliens, silenced pistol or not. And would his pistol/rifle even be effective against the Locust? They take Lancer rounds like they’re candy, in the game anyway.
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    Given the type of match this is, Sam has no chance. Soloman Grundy has a better chance at beating Xavier at chess.

  11. the_man_with The_Answers September 14, 2013 at 1:44 pm -      #11

    Fisher stays hidden while Marcus searches for him. Within the first fifteen minutes, Fisher stealth kills Fenix, and spends the next 45 min waiting for extraction. Then the Locusts show up 9 hours later, confused that no one is there, then get blasted from orbit.

  12. Watchdog Lowk September 14, 2013 at 1:46 pm -      #12

    “Sam doesn’t wear a helmet either.”
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    Well he’s got like 5 percent more covering with the googles but yeah neither really wears helmets much. Though Sam MO kind of make up with that since he’ll be trying to attack from a hidden spot when Marcus back is turned. Sam has the advantage since he can see Marcus before Marcus see him due to his googles that let him see through stuff.
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    Wait does Sam have to kill the Locust or does he just need to survive for 45 minute after he kills Marcus?
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    “He’s not staying hidden, midday, in an arena full of aliens, silenced pistol or not. ”
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    He’s had several day time missions with just about as much cover around as shown there and is able to stay hidden.

  13. Draco September 14, 2013 at 1:52 pm -      #13

    Read the description.
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    It says the match starts at sundown 8 PM
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    And it says…
    ” Even after killing their opponents”
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    So, this take’s place at night. And their goal is to kill each other.
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    The locust don’t come for hours, this is easily in sam’s favor.

  14. Amm0vamp1r3 September 14, 2013 at 2:00 pm -      #14

    Well Sam’s stealth I don’t see doing much here since Marcus knows he is there and he is good at stealth
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    Most of the time do people even know Sam is coming and when they do (going off of memory) they are scared shitless which would effect there way of doing things. Marcus has to fight things that would make short work of sam so I don’t see him being scared shitless by Sam
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    Also Marcus is great at fighting at night, if memory serves correctly going off of the book I read

  15. Xornell September 14, 2013 at 2:04 pm -      #15

    Pretty sure the objective is to survive the Locust swarm, unless the poster honestly thought this fight would last 10 hours?
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    Also, since when does Sam just start out perfectly hidden?
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    “Even after killing their opponents”
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    “Their:, in this context, actually means both of the mens’ opponents, meaning the Locust, since that is their only common enemy.

  16. Xornell September 14, 2013 at 2:10 pm -      #16

    Also, what Amm0 said. Even if they start out hidden, and the objective is to kill each other, Fenix gets basic knowledge of Sam and his abilities, and would act accordingly.
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    Fenix could snipe Sam, since I doubt that pistol has a better range than the Longshot. Fenix has better equipment, better experience at fighting in open combat, and more experience with the style of terrain. All Sam has is stealth, which doesn’t matter much since Fenix knows he’s being stealthy. Even given your scenarios, Sam loses.

  17. Watchdog Lowk September 14, 2013 at 2:14 pm -      #17

    “Well Sam’s stealth I don’t see doing much here since Marcus knows he is there and he is good at stealth”
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    Stealth is still useful regardless of whether someone knows you somewhere. As long as they don’t know exactly wear. It actually one of the feature is that Sam can use his last known location against his enemies by slipping away and attacking from an different area.
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    “Most of the time do people even know Sam is coming and when they do”
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    As I said before stealth is still an option even if he was previously detected. Some times he even has to go up against highly trained operatives like him or other splinter cells.
    Only time stealth wouldn’t be useful is if he was able to always pinpoint exactly where Sam is a all times.
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    “they are scared shitless which would effect there way of doing things.”
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    Some are, other aren’t, some don’t even know fisher, others do. The result tends to remain the same.

  18. Watchdog Lowk September 14, 2013 at 2:18 pm -      #18

    “Fenix could snipe Sam, since I doubt that pistol has a better range than the Longshot.”
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    Sam carries a rifle and has used them to sniping people.
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    “Also, since when does Sam just start out perfectly hidden?”
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    Going by the picture there are plenty of area for him to hide behind once the fight starts and his gadgets give him options for masking his movements.

  19. Xornell September 14, 2013 at 2:19 pm -      #19

    “Stealth is still useful regardless of whether someone knows you somewhere. As long as they don’t know exactly wear.”
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    If I knew I had a highly trained stealth operative after me, I’d be bolting from cover to cover like a mofo searching for him. Or just camp with the longshot.
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    “It actually one of the feature is that Sam can use his last known location against his enemies by slipping away and attacking from an different area.”
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    Which only works against the in-game AI used for Sam’s enemies. A real person isn’t going to spot a secret agent, chase him for a bit, then stupidly go back on patrol like nothing happened.
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    “As I said before stealth is still an option even if he was previously detected.”
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    Not really. You see a dude bolt behind a few chairs as cover. You now have a general idea of where he is. You watch the row of seats where he was and if he gets up, he gets pew’d. Sam’s not a magician. He’s not going to teleport from behind cover. The fact the Sam can slip away in-game is just gameplay.

  20. Xornell September 14, 2013 at 2:21 pm -      #20

    “Sam carries a rifle and has used them to sniping people.”
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    A rifle will expose more of the gun to Fenix’s sight. Also, is it silenced and does it have a scope?
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    “Going by the picture there are plenty of area for him to hide behind once the fight starts and his gadgets give him options for masking his movements.
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    A noisemaker is really only going to work on the limited game AI. You’re looking for a secret operative, and the sound of a rock hitting a wall is going to make you derp around and check it out? You have to be the king of mooks to fall for that shit lol.

  21. Draco September 14, 2013 at 3:55 pm -      #21

    It has a scope, I forget how much zoom. But it’s also for sniping.
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    His SC20K has foils that he can launch to electrocute people and stun them.
    Plus, his noisemaker is usually a whistle.
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    How can fenix see Sam if the whole sadium is in darkness? He’ll be blind, not knowing where sam is, or if he’s got sights trained on him.
    but sam has his special sonar goggles that allow him to track people easily and acts as nightvision too. Which means fenix can’t hide, and if he camps, sam can get around him.
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    The ‘last know position’ thing still works out. Fenix may think he’s behind cover, as he’s used to fighting people head on.
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    This is asuming they get in a straight up fight, in which they will not. Even if they do, sam can incapitate him quite easily with a flashbang, or a shock foil… or, ya know, use his training mark and execute.
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    Sam’s mark and execute shows his gun skill, able to get headshots on multiple people woth a quick raise of his gun and one shot each.

  22. Draco September 14, 2013 at 3:56 pm -      #22

    And yes, his SC20K is silenced, as I said before.

  23. Watchdog Lowk September 14, 2013 at 4:03 pm -      #23

    “If I knew I had a highly trained stealth operative after me, I’d be bolting from cover to cover like a mofo searching for him. Or just camp with the longshot.”
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    Each time he blot from cover is a chance to be shot. For Camping Sam has gadget that can blind other or obscure his movement. Plus he has a little flying drone that can assault him from high up or kamikaze him with the explosive self destruct.
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    “Which only works against the in-game AI used for Sam’s enemies. A real person isn’t going to spot a secret agent, chase him for a bit, then stupidly go back on patrol like nothing happened.”
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    They don’t go back on partol, they form up call other to watch there back and stay on alert while looking for him. Granted there limited so they can do stuff like crawl in the vent after him or what not.
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    “Not really. You see a dude bolt behind a few chairs as cover. You now have a general idea of where he is. You watch the row of seats where he was and if he gets up, he gets pew’d.”
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    Hence the mention of the gadget that he uses to conceal his movements. Like flashbang or smoke.
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    “Sam’s not a magician. He’s not going to teleport from behind cover. The fact the Sam can slip away in-game is just gameplay.”
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    You use method like disorienting with gadgets or moving along a path outside the line of sight.
    If you don’t they keep firing on you and try to flank you. If someone can’t see you then all they have is guess as to were you went or are.
    Even when actual people are trying to hunt you down in multiplayer. You flashbang them, they can’t see, you hide. After that they either try camping or searching the area. They look around and up, over ledges and up high places. Sometime they call others and then they try to go around looking and search easing around corners. Sure they know your in the area but they also know you could’ve moved just about anywhere there. Until they have confirmation as to where you are all they have is guesses.
    Meanwhile Sam and spies have a means of detecting them were ever they go through. They know where they are, they know what direction the other person is facing, when they pop up or go back down and lose line of sight and can plan accordingly.
    Difference between Marcus and the mercs(people) or special agent(AI) is that they have special means of detecting where the person is.
    If he’s ducked down Sam will know an be able to put his sights right were Marcus is going to come up.
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    “A rifle will expose more of the gun to Fenix’s sight. Also, is it silenced and does it have a scope?”
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    He has scopes and silencers.
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    “A noisemaker is really only going to work on the limited game AI. You’re looking for a secret operative, and the sound of a rock hitting a wall is going to make you derp around and check it out? You have to be the king of mooks to fall for that shit lol.”
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    Noise works on actual animals and people. Especially if it completely silent and your searching for something. It’s completely silent and some sort of loud sound plays, maybe it the sound of instrument or a gunshot, maybe it’s an actual explosion. You might not go over to search over there like a group of teenagers in a horror movie but for that instant you going what was that you might turning that direction you might just glance. You might not but it still functions as a momentary distraction to people who don’t know Sam tactics or gadgets.

  24. Xornell September 14, 2013 at 5:12 pm -      #24

    “It has a scope, I forget how much zoom. But it’s also for sniping.”
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    Still not an ideal sniping situation, especially not against the Longshot.
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    “His SC20K has foils that he can launch to electrocute people and stun them.
    Plus, his noisemaker is usually a whistle.”
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    Lol if you had sights on someone, why would you stun instead of shoot, so you can shoot? That’s also assuming he can get within range of Marcus. Also, that’s a good point. A whistle is much more obvious a distraction that only a mook would fall for.
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    “How can fenix see Sam if the whole sadium is in darkness?”
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    Lolwat? Have you never walked around at night? There’s barely any roof to that stadium. Besides, this is sundown, so this is probably summer. Meaning total darkness is at least a half hour off.
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    “He’ll be blind, not knowing where sam is, or if he’s got sights trained on him.”
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    Pretty sure Marcus has a flashlight. Plus it won’t be totally dark yet. Plus this is all assuming they both start out hidden.
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    “but sam has his special sonar goggles that allow him to track people easily and acts as nightvision too. Which means fenix can’t hide, and if he camps, sam can get around him.”
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    Assuming Sam lives long enough to see the dark, maybe.
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    “The ‘last know position’ thing still works out. Fenix may think he’s behind cover, as he’s used to fighting people head on.”
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    Because Sam Fisher is secretly Houdini and can teleport from behind static cover while an exploding sniperbullet gun is trained on him? Impressive, Sam. Impressive.
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    “This is asuming they get in a straight up fight, in which they will not. ”
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    Why not? Does it say otherwise somewhere? And considering this is a “VS”…
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    “Even if they do, sam can incapitate him quite easily with a flashbang, or a shock foil… or, ya know, use his training mark and execute.”
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    Before his head gets blown to bits by Lancer fire?
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    “Sam’s mark and execute shows his gun skill, able to get headshots on multiple people woth a quick raise of his gun and one shot each.”
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    Never saw him do this with enemies that had the drop on him. Also, by this logic, John Marston > everyone because of his epic slow-mo revolver skills.
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    Sam Fisher also very much prefers h2h combat, as it’s silent. Here, most of his moves simply won’t work seeing as Fenix is a massive man-cow with a chainsaw on his gun.
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    Sam also always has the drop on his targets, which he would not here.
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    This is all also ignoring the point I made about them both eliminating their (as in common/shared) enemy, the Locust. This would also explain the ridiculous timelimit pre-Locust swarm. Since no fight is going to last 10 hours, that time is obviously for prep.
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    “Each time he blot from cover is a chance to be shot.”
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    And a prayer that somehow is insignificant weapons are going to get a perfect headshot on a giant, heavily armored mancow. That may or may not even put him down.
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    “For Camping Sam has gadget that can blind other or obscure his movement.”
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    Pretty sure this only works because it’s a game. A flashbang is one thing in a tight hallway or closed-in room. It’s much different in a stadium with an enemy that expects it.
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    “Plus he has a little flying drone that can assault him from high up or kamikaze him with the explosive self destruct.”
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    Another thing, since when is all this shit standard equipment? Does he use this, or have it available in all his matches? He’s not Link, he can’t store all of this in a magic bottomless pocket.
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    “Hence the mention of the gadget that he uses to conceal his movements. Like flashbang or smoke.”
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    Same flaw as before. And also, Fenix has grenades. What’s stopping him from lobbing one to Sam’s position after he’s been discovered?
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    “You flashbang them, they can’t see, you hide.”
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    Game. Mechanics.
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    ” You might not but it still functions as a momentary distraction to people who don’t know Sam tactics or gadgets.”
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    And since this is a FactPile match, and opponents are given basic knowledge of the opposition, Fenix would in fact, know all those things.

  25. Virgil September 14, 2013 at 5:48 pm -      #25

    @Everyone
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    In this case my initial bet is on Sam Fisher but we’ll see how things go.
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    @Xornell
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    Pretty sure Marcus has a flashlight. Plus it won’t be totally dark yet. Plus this is all assuming they both start out hidden.
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    Even with a flashlight that stadium is huge… It sure isn’t one of those 5000+ lumen lights which can be seen from miles away even if you’re in a forest.
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    I do give you the fact that it won’t necessarily be dark when this all starts out but why on earth would they both start out in full view of the other? That severely favours Marcus Fenix and would be completely unfair. Even if both of them just start in cover (Which is a pretty realistic scenario which makes sense rather than giving the combat-focused dude the edge) it wouldn’t be extremely difficult for Sam to sneak away, wait until it is dark and then get to work.

  26. Watchdog Lowk September 14, 2013 at 5:51 pm -      #26

    “And a prayer that somehow is insignificant weapons are going to get a perfect headshot on a giant, heavily armored mancow. That may or may not even put him down.”
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    Moving targets don’t really seem to be a problem.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ4kAMmlfbA
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    ” A flashbang is one thing in a tight hallway or closed-in room. It’s much different in a stadium with an enemy that expects it.”
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    If he staring a his position and it goes off he basically going to be staring at a blinding light. More so if he zoomed in on a scope. Or if he throw it near him.
    There also the smoke, sleep, and/or tear gas.
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    “Does he use this, or have it available in all his matches?”
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    It’s a recent development now that he leard of 4E in his current incarnation. And yes, he does use it. And at max he can store pretty much all of it. Some of the stuff is redundant though since some of the stuff can be duplicated using the crossbow.
    He’s basically a realistic batman except instead of a belt he has a lot of pockets and places to strap things on.
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    “Same flaw as before.”
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    If he’s looking at in that direction goes off try to snipe him he’s gettin an eye ful. And still doesn’t have an answer to the other stuff.
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    “And also, Fenix has grenades. What’s stopping him from lobbing one to Sam’s position after he’s been discovered?”
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    Flashbang to stun. gas to put him to sleep. tear to stun. Or smoke to give him cover to move somewhere else. or moving while he’s about to throw since he can’t fire on him because he’s swinging an grenade. Or throwing his own grenade at him first. Or shooting him while he’s trying to throw a grenade.
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    “And since this is a FactPile match, and opponents are given basic knowledge of the opposition, Fenix would in fact, know all those things.”
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    Since when does basic equal in depth knowledge like their past tactics and every weapon or item they carry?

  27. Draco September 14, 2013 at 5:54 pm -      #27

    “Pretty sure Marcus has a flashlight. ”
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    he doesnt, there’s even a quote where Tai says he’d rather have an extra gun than a flashlight in GOW2. And a place in total darkness that they required Betty and Dizzy to light up the way.
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    “Assuming Sam lives long enough to see the dark, maybe.”
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    why do you assume sam’s just going to walk right up to Fenix and bitch-slap him? That’s not Sam’s style, they dont start 3 feet from each other (still not a good idea not to get in CqC with sam, especially since the ‘uber Chainsaw’ takes seconds to rev up.
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    “And since this is a FactPile match, and opponents are given basic knowledge of the opposition, Fenix would in fact, know all those things.”
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    do you not understand the concept of ‘basic knowledge’?
    basically, this means that fenix knows there’s a guy here with him, and he has to kill him.
    he does not get a list of Sam’s equipment and hours of study to counter it.
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    “Game. Mechanics”
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    flashbangs have been known to blind people, the intense flash of light and ‘pop’ of sound is MENT to disorient and blind people temporarily. SWAT uses them for breaching, so that they can stun/blind the guy on the other side of the door.
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    unless you’re saying flash bangs dont work like they should.
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    this is what happens when a flashbang explodes on ya.
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    www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XH8mJnErT4
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    “Never saw him do this with enemies that had the drop on him”
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    assuming fenix gets the drop on a master artist of stealth, but yes Sam CAN do this. I don’t know how many times Mark and execue saved me from getting gunned down in conviction
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    “Sam also always has the drop on his targets, which he would not here.”
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    and why not? does Fenix suddenly have a Sam fisher Radar that tells him exactly where he is all the time?
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    Sam will not face fenix head on, get this through you’re head.
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    “Because Sam Fisher is secretly Houdini and can teleport from behind static cover while an exploding sniperbullet gun is trained on him? Impressive, Sam. Impressive.”
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    funny.
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    Sam has smoke genades, flash bangs, ect, and he moves rather quickly. A single shot rifle is going to work against fenix… assuming fenix see’s him first, which is not likely

  28. Xornell September 14, 2013 at 6:52 pm -      #28

    Ehh, I have gaming to do, so I’ll leave it at this:
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    All the opposition to Fenix assumes:
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    It is pitch black in the stadium.
    Sam Fisher is a marksman god, can escape from behind cover while being watched cuz smoke n’ flash.
    Sam’s lack of armor and the fact that even a stray Lancer round would probably tear him in half is overlooked.
    Sam carries all his gear as standard loadout. All of it, all the time.
    Match starts out in cover, both men hidden from one another.
    Fenix bumbles and derps around like one of Sam’s moronic AI opponents.
    Tiny silenced pistol rounds will put down a genetically modified armored bull.
    The rest of the match stipulations are overlooked, including the setup that doesn’t even say they’re fighting each other.
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    But yeah, given all that I’m totally on board with Sam winning.

  29. Watchdog Lowk September 14, 2013 at 7:16 pm -      #29

    “It is pitch black in the stadium.”
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    It’s not and I wasn’t going by that assumption.
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    “Sam Fisher is a marksman god”
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    He doesn’t have to be, all he needs is a head shoot and as his feat show he’s pretty good at getting them whether from close up or far away. Now if Fenix had a smaller then average head or moved faster then human normally can then Sam would have a problem.
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    “can escape from behind cover while being watched cuz smoke n’ flash.”
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    Which is a valid tactic becasue normally if you can’t see the person your trying to shoot then it gets harder to hit him.
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    “Sam’s lack of armor and the fact that even a stray Lancer round would probably tear him in half is overlooked.”
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    Actually his suits are somewhat armored. I mean it’s not heavy plates or anything(cept for that one set) but it not like he’s covered in regular clothes. Plus he tends to stick to cover much like marcus and makes use of tricks, speed to stay out of sight or out of the line of fire.
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    “Sam carries all his gear as standard loadout. All of it, all the time.”
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    I thought stated he can’t carry it all of it. Just most of it. But some of it is redundant because some of the stuff he can fit already makes the stuff he can pointless.
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    “Match starts out in cover, both men hidden from one another.”
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    Doesn’t really need to since chances are going by how both these guy generally do, they’d jump to cover to avoid being shot.
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    “Fenix bumbles and derps around like one of Sam’s moronic AI opponents.”
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    Not all of Sam AI enemeis are like that. And I noted what actual people have done.
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    “Tiny silenced pistol rounds will put down a genetically modified armored bull.”
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    Has Marcus ever taken a head shot and walked it off? Also why do you keep referencing the pistol when Sam carries around bigger gun as his other weapon?
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    “including the setup that doesn’t even say they’re fighting each other.”
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    Match says the locus enter the fight. As in a fight would already be happening. If there only the two of them and this is a versus seems like everything is pointing to them being in a fight.

  30. the_man_with The_Answers September 14, 2013 at 7:22 pm -      #30

    “Still not an ideal sniping situation, especially not against the Longshot.”
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    Dude, it’s a GoW map. IRL, an SMG or assault rifle would be more than sufficient to “snipe,” especially considering even with an SMG a trained operative should be able to score lethal hits from 100m. On a map like this, a sniper rifle is a hinderance, seeing as it is heavy, cumbersome, and the high-powered scope is quite difficult to use in such areas.
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    “That’s also assuming he can get within range of Marcus.”
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    Dude, assault rifles have ranges in the hundreds of meters. That’s way more than sufficient for any GoW map.
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    “Here, most of his moves simply won’t work seeing as Fenix is a massive man-cow with a chainsaw on his gun.”
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    Not really a martial arts enthusiast I take it. Being a big bulky bear of a person against a nimble and highly skilled martial artist is actually a disadvantage. By targeting weak points (Neck, eyes, groin, joints, etc.) and using their own weight against them, big opponents can be taken down rather easily (Granted your opponent isn’t an equally skilled martial artist. Lucky for Sam, I don’t think that is the case)
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    “Pretty sure this only works because it’s a game. A flashbang is one thing in a tight hallway or closed-in room. It’s much different in a stadium with an enemy that expects it.”
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    Dude, flashbangs are no joke. They are some serious shit.
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    “flashbangs have been known to blind people, the intense flash of light and ‘pop’ of sound is MENT to disorient and blind people temporarily. SWAT uses them for breaching, so that they can stun/blind the guy on the other side of the door.”
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    www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YsC6M4GFoc
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbmXaOw0z90
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    “this is what happens when a flashbang explodes on ya.”
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    Dude, read the video description.
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  31. Draco September 14, 2013 at 7:51 pm -      #31

    here’s what YOU’RE saying Xornell.
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    flashbangs dont stun, their game mechanics.
    Fenix has some sort of godly detection skill always able to find and track stealthy people like nothing.
    100% hit chance with a single shot rifle.
    That they start within three feet of each other.
    Sam’s an idiot, and his weapons cant do shit against a normal humans head.
    that Sam cant see fenix, and wont know what he is doing or where he’s looking.
    That sam will try to CQC instead of shoot
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    i can play that game too Xornell, dont get snappy.

  32. Draco September 14, 2013 at 7:54 pm -      #32

    @Mwta
    “Dude, read the video description.”
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    it’s a simulation of what happens it said.
    (AKA, couldn’t find a live flash bang vid :/)

  33. the_man_with The_Answers September 14, 2013 at 7:58 pm -      #33

    Don’t make me embarrass you Draco:
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    From the description:
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    “Simple simulation out of boredom…in no way is this simulation an ACTUAL effect of being hit with a flashbang but simply a visualization(as close as i can think of, i’ve never been hit with one). ”
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  34. Draco September 14, 2013 at 8:05 pm -      #34

    I guess I didn’t open the description as all it said when I glanced at it was ‘simple simulation out of boredom.’
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    *shrug* not embarressing, just a simple error. Not like it doesn’t happen to everyone.

  35. Aelfinn September 14, 2013 at 9:47 pm -      #35

    “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M84_stun_grenade”
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    ” Upon detonation, it emits an intensely loud “bang” of 170–180 decibels and a blinding flash of more than one million candela within five feet of initiation, sufficient to cause immediate flash blindness, deafness, tinnitus, and inner ear disturbance.[1] Exposed personnel experience disorientation, confusion and loss of coordination and balance. While these effects are all intended to be temporary, there is risk of permanent injury or even death. Consequently, the M84 is classified as a Less-lethal weapon.”

  36. Aelfinn September 14, 2013 at 9:47 pm -      #36

    Don’t know why I quoted the link.

  37. Chuck inglish September 14, 2013 at 9:56 pm -      #37
  38. ReDruM September 16, 2013 at 6:56 pm -      #38

    “Not really a martial arts enthusiast I take it. Being a big bulky bear of a person against a nimble and highly skilled martial artist is actually a disadvantage. By targeting weak points (Neck, eyes, groin, joints, etc.) and using their own weight against them, big opponents can be taken down rather easily (Granted your opponent isn’t an equally skilled martial artist. Lucky for Sam, I don’t think that is the case)”
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    I agree Sam likely takes this but Marcus would break him in half in hand to hand combat. As we’ve seen Marcus and friends are strong enough to go hand to hand with Locusts who are observed to have the strength to tear a mans arm off and beat him to death with it. Its also doesn’t help that Fenix is covered in full body armor with a metallic outer-sheething and has almost no neck to speak of. Skill is great but put a karate master against a bear, the bear will win every time.

  39. Draco September 21, 2013 at 12:39 am -      #39

    @redrum
    Marucs is a lumbering man, not very quick in the slightest. Fisher is far quicker, and his skills in Krav magra allow him to take down most enemies in 3 hits or less.
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    For marcus, it’d likely take a hit to the nose and eye’s andneck area to kill him H2H. But that’s if they get in H2H which I am almost certain won’t happen with sam’s silenced weapons and superb stealth abilities.

  40. Watchdog Lowk September 21, 2013 at 2:43 am -      #40

    “For marcus, it’d likely take a hit to the nose and eye’s andneck area to kill him H2H. But that’s if they get in H2H which I am almost certain won’t happen with sam’s silenced weapons and superb stealth abilities.”
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    I’m on Fisher’s side but I don’t think he stands much of a chance in h2h. Don’t think fisher is strong enough to physically handle Marcus. He does however have his karambit knife which might do better then fisticuffs.

  41. Draco September 21, 2013 at 3:34 am -      #41

    I hardly think that marcus could get a hand on him… blacklist has him more mobile than ever. And marcus isn’t excatly the best in H2H either, he relies on a chainsaw and hits with the butt of his gun. I don’t think I’ve ever seen marcus fight a locust in true H2H without his guns.
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    He faced the preist with the chainsaw staff but that was layered with plot shielding and all they did was push each other.
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    Anyways, H2h won’t matter in the match most likely.

  42. ReDruM September 21, 2013 at 12:04 pm -      #42

    “Marucs is a lumbering man, not very quick in the slightest. Fisher is far quicker, and his skills in Krav magra allow him to take down most enemies in 3 hits or less.”
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    Marcus is far bigger, stronger and tougher then Sam’s typical enemies. Not to mention he is not so slow as to be a statue. Mistakes happen and Marcus has time that Sam doesn’t. Sam could not begin to damage Marcus except for the eyes since like I said before Marcus has almost no neck.
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    “I hardly think that marcus could get a hand on him… blacklist has him more mobile than ever. And marcus isn’t excatly the best in H2H either, he relies on a chainsaw and hits with the butt of his gun. I don’t think I’ve ever seen marcus fight a locust in true H2H without his guns.”
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    Marcus is certainly not a martial arts genius. However he is strong enough to drive a blade through a Locust and lift it clear over his head and fling it with the gun alone. And the average height for a grub is 6’8 and their size and likely increased bone and muscle mass from living underground for so long means they probably weigh at least 300lbs or more on average. He also crushed skulls with boot stomps. I believe they are also wearing power armor as well. One blow is all it should take to disorient Sam enough for Marcus to finish him off. And while Marcus can block Sam doesn’t have the same luxury. Too small.

  43. rezzforme September 22, 2013 at 7:24 am -      #43

    After playing Blacklist I’m going with Sam

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