Kakashi Hatake & Might Gai Vs Dante & Vergil

Kakashi Hatake & Might Gai Vs Dante & Vergil

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Kakashi Hatake and Might Gai (Naruto) take on the dynamic duo of Dante and Vergil, both from the Devil May Cry franchise.

No time manipulation allowed.

Fight takes place in the Forest of Death.

Who wins?

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585 Comments on "Kakashi Hatake & Might Gai Vs Dante & Vergil"

  1. Rookie September 5, 2013 at 8:00 am -      #1

    Team 1. Kakashi’s eye should hold long enought to suck in just two opponents.

  2. StealthRanger September 5, 2013 at 8:06 am -      #2

    “No time manipulation allowed.”
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    :giogio
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    “Team 1. Kakashi’s eye should hold long enought to suck in just two opponents.”
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    How fast and durable is he? Dante has at least skyscraper+ level strength and he’s at least hypersonic, and guns that fire at minigun like rates. Vergil also has Yamato, which ignores durability via it’s dimensional slicing powah and he can teleport too

  3. Rookie September 5, 2013 at 8:08 am -      #3

    @StealthRanger
    “How fast and durable is he? Dante has at least skyscraper+ level strength and he’s at least hypersonic, and guns that fire at minigun like rates. Vergil also has Yamato, which ignores durability via it’s dimensional slicing powah and he can teleport too”
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    He managed to slice lighting (according to rumors). ANd suck in ancient rocket while the rocket moved.

  4. Kuja9001 September 5, 2013 at 8:09 am -      #4

    Honestly I’m tired of Dante but what can team 1 do?

  5. StealthRanger September 5, 2013 at 8:11 am -      #5

    “He managed to slice lighting (according to rumors)”
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    Could possibly be a fallacy from anecdotal evidence
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    “ANd suck in ancient rocket while the rocket moved.”
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    Not sure what that is

  6. Amm0vamp1r3 September 5, 2013 at 8:12 am -      #6

    Can’t kakashi just kamui these guys? And no time powers, seems fixed against the demons to lose unless you take something from team ninja

  7. Kitten Lord September 5, 2013 at 8:13 am -      #7

    team 1 would need the hax if it has not got the speed to keep up with team 2.

  8. Xornell September 5, 2013 at 8:17 am -      #8

    I would think Team 1 is faster, stronger, and has a wider power set. Don’t Dante & Virgil have some hax regen, though?

  9. Rookie September 5, 2013 at 8:51 am -      #9

    @StealthRanger
    “Not sure what that is”
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    naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Kamui

  10. Kitten Lord September 5, 2013 at 9:28 am -      #10

    “some hax regen, though?”

    Not hax regen no, they heal fairly quickly from bullet wounds and sword attacks but I cant see them regenerating from a large part of them being destroyed or damaged like dismemberment, I don’t think they have survived that before.

    If team 1 is faster and stronger and has more powers then I guess they win, since tbh Dante and vergil both rely a lot on speed. Magic and hax, not so much, especially not with time powers locked out.

  11. GuardianAngel1911 the Ten Tails Jinchuriki September 5, 2013 at 10:40 am -      #11

    When he unleashes his 7 gates unlocked states Guy can move and punch fast enough his fists burst into flame from the friction. He’s in the top 3 or 4 in speed in that state. Guy was powerful enough Kakashi trusted him to take on the Six Tails by himself when they were helping Naruto and B fight the other Tailed Beasts during that fight he said he could open the eighth gate, but Kakashi said it would kill him, so how far this particular power boost would push him is unknown.
    will bring feats soon

  12. GuardianAngel1911 the Ten Tails Jinchuriki September 5, 2013 at 12:05 pm -      #12

    waaay back in the Chuunin Exam arc Guy was able to disperse Gaara’s sand coffin jutsu with a wave of his hand dispersing the sand.
    i22.mangapanda.com/naruto/86/naruto-1566035.jpg
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    strong enough to break a stone construct used by one of the tailed beasts to restrain Naruto
    i25.mangapanda.com/naruto/567/naruto-2880713.jpg
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    tag team against Jinchuriki
    i7.mangapanda.com/naruto/567/naruto-2880723.jpg
    i39.mangapanda.com/naruto/567/naruto-2880725.jpg
    i39.mangapanda.com/naruto/567/naruto-2880727.jpg
    to be continued

  13. Watchdog Lowk September 5, 2013 at 12:09 pm -      #13

    “When he unleashes his 7 gates unlocked states Guy can move and punch fast enough his fists burst into flame from the friction.”
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    Dante also did that

  14. GuardianAngel1911 the Ten Tails Jinchuriki September 5, 2013 at 12:28 pm -      #14

    continued, caught between rot gas and chakra arms Gai goes seven gates and uses his fire fists Kakashi his .
    Since Lowk mentioned it, did Dante do it on this scale?
    i3.mangapanda.com/naruto/568/naruto-2929569.jpg
    i23.mangapanda.com/naruto/568/naruto-2929571.jpg

  15. GuardianAngel1911 the Ten Tails Jinchuriki September 5, 2013 at 12:31 pm -      #15

    @Lowk
    that looks like it’s the effect of that item he collected not so much his speed.

  16. Dassadec September 5, 2013 at 12:59 pm -      #16

    mangafox.me/manga/naruto/v01/c005/18.html
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    mangafox.me/manga/naruto/v01/c005/19.html
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    mangafox.me/manga/naruto/v01/c006/5.html
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    Kawarami no jutsu,
    That scene shows how fast it can be done and noone even sees it happen. Mind you this is literally the first time it is used. Dante and Vergil will be confused as hell when they start hitting Logs

  17. Dassadec September 5, 2013 at 1:01 pm -      #17

    mangafox.me/manga/naruto/v01/c006/9.html
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    mangafox.me/manga/naruto/v01/c006/10.html
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    moments later… kakashi can use it again, and uses it to evade shuriken barrage from an unseen attacker

  18. Dassadec September 5, 2013 at 1:07 pm -      #18

    Kakashi is Adept at Illusory Genjutsu well
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    mangafox.me/manga/naruto/v01/c006/15.html
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    This Sasuke is a pure illusion
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    mangafox.me/manga/naruto/v01/c006/16.html
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    Do Dante and vergil have any resistances to Mindfuckery?
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    Kakashi will use Shadow clones to manouver you where he wants you.
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    mangafox.me/manga/naruto/v01/c006/12.html
    mangafox.me/manga/naruto/v01/c006/13.html

  19. Kitten Lord September 5, 2013 at 1:09 pm -      #19

    @Lowk

    “Dante also did that”

    I don’t see him going straight for Gilgamesh though, Dante uses rebellion nine times out of ten.

  20. Dassadec September 5, 2013 at 1:11 pm -      #20

    Kakashit can tunnel underground and attack from there if you lose him in battle
    -
    mangafox.me/manga/naruto/v01/c007/12.html

  21. Shgon Dunstan September 5, 2013 at 1:11 pm -      #21

    ….The match, at the moment anyway, seems to comedown to just team two’s speed Vs Kakashi kamui jutsu….. Oh, Guy could likely fight them if he wanted to, but… Why bother?

  22. Watchdog Lowk September 5, 2013 at 1:40 pm -      #22

    “that looks like it’s the effect of that item he collected not so much his speed.”
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    Gilgamesh on provides speed when the boosters were out and only in straight jab/punches. Not chops. Also the effect normally showing him using it is just bright red not fire and heat looking. Plus it shows him putting boosters away right after he got it and the only function he seems to use is the blade spur on the boot part.

  23. Kitten Lord September 5, 2013 at 2:27 pm -      #23

    The only time he ever shows that heated effect is when hes wielding that weapon throughout all his games, I don’t recall him sending hot weapons through anything on a common basis. Considering the weapon itself seemed to have some sort of heat on it consistently I still think its a fair bet that whole scene is due to the weapon because that’s what most of those “new weapon” scenes do, preview the weapons capabilities.

  24. Dassadec September 5, 2013 at 2:33 pm -      #24

    “The only time he ever shows that heated effect is when hes wielding that weapon throughout all his games”
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    I believe DmC3 had him running down some tower so fast his sword heated up, or some such thing

  25. Kitten Lord September 5, 2013 at 2:39 pm -      #25

    He through the sword and shot it while running down the tower, which for some reason heated the sword up. Most assume it was because it was going fast. That’s not quite the same as hand movements though which Team 1 are apparently capable of. Fist fighting at speeds that make friction burn up on your hand.

  26. GuardianAngel1911 the Ten Tails Jinchuriki September 5, 2013 at 2:59 pm -      #26

    @Kitten
    Gai is when he’s 7 gates unlocked. I showed it above, he can actually cause a wide dispersal of fireballs thrown off his hands with it essentially igniting the air somehow. Even base level he can launch people through stone walls with punches, imagine that kind of strength combined with the speed and flames.

  27. Watchdog Lowk September 5, 2013 at 4:15 pm -      #27

    “The only time he ever shows that heated effect is when hes wielding that weapon throughout all his games, I don’t recall him sending hot weapons through anything on a common basis.”
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    The only effect shown in game is the bright red which doesn’t look like what he did in the cutscene. In fact it look more like the other red effects like when he’s charging his weapons, using drive, air hike, or royal guarding.
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    “Considering the weapon itself seemed to have some sort of heat on it consistently”
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    Didn’t when first punched it or the entire time he was kicking or during basic uncharged attacks.
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    “I still think its a fair bet that whole scene is due to the weapon because that’s what most of those “new weapon” scenes do, preview the weapons capabilities.”
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    The weapons capabilities are that it’s gauntlet boot metal combo, that has spurs, and arm spike thruster. If the spurs or thrusters aren’t in use all the are just fancy and durable gauntlet and boots.

  28. Chuck inglish September 5, 2013 at 6:02 pm -      #28

    Kakashi dies from a bullet. Come on he could barely react to sasuke’s bow and that thing was calc’d at transonic speeds

  29. sadot06 September 5, 2013 at 6:17 pm -      #29

    I’ve seen one calc for the Susanoo arrow that put it below supersonic, and the calc was taken apart during the thread. Let’s not mislead here. From what I know of all the characters they should for the most part be in the same ballpark speed wise, with the exception of 6-7th Gate Gai. But Vergil can teleport so that should help.

  30. Chuck inglish September 5, 2013 at 6:33 pm -      #30

    “I’ve seen one calc for the Susanoo arrow that put it below supersonic, and the calc was taken apart during the thread”
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    When? That calc wasn’t taken apart.
    ==
    “From what I know of all the characters they should for the most part be in the same ballpark speed wise, with the exception of 6-7th Gate Gai. But Vergil can teleport so that should help.”
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    Uhh no Vergil’s attack speed was calced at mach 11 and dante keeping up with a mach a mach 20 blitz(while in electric form) and Dante’s attack speed should be mach 7 since his karate chop at the end was so fast that he was cutting in half the gate’s chunks with the sheer heat caused by friction without even touching them.

  31. Kitten Lord September 5, 2013 at 6:38 pm -      #31

    Then the calcs were wrong, Vergils never fought at mach 11 and “keeping up” with blitz is purely gameplay, the only cutscene concerning blitz and Dante has him swinging for it and missing.

  32. Chuck inglish September 5, 2013 at 6:48 pm -      #32

    Vergil calc using the frame rate per second method www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=18417
    Dante reacting to blitz by knowing where he’s attack from. Which means he was able to keep up with him while he was in his electric form m.youtube.com/watch?v=led2jJyATHg

  33. Kuja9001 September 5, 2013 at 6:49 pm -      #33

    Dante failed to strike an electrified Blitz.

  34. Chuck inglish September 5, 2013 at 6:52 pm -      #34

    “Dante failed to strike an electrified Blitz.”
    ==
    Because he teleported out of the way. He was able to follow blitz while he was in his electric form

  35. Kitten Lord September 5, 2013 at 7:01 pm -      #35

    I have seen the calc before, its not explained what he did to come to that conclusion. Also whats the FPS method? I see him cutting cleanly through a few regular people, that’s all that scan shows. Why wouldn’t there be any heat due to friction?

    “Dante reacting to blitz by knowing where he’s attack from”

    Correction, Dante attempting to swing his sword at blitz and being woefully too slow, missing entirely. You can only hit blitz properly in-game when it stops turning into electricity as well.

  36. Amm0vamp1r3 September 5, 2013 at 7:05 pm -      #36

    Vampire Hunter D and Killy should have been one of these teams lol
    -
    But anyway, my bets are on ninja team, never thought to highly of Dante and Vergil, team ninja has getten more hax and broken by the book

  37. Chuck inglish September 5, 2013 at 7:11 pm -      #37

    “I have seen the calc before, its not explained what he did to come to that conclusion. Also whats the FPS method? I see him cutting cleanly through a few regular people, that’s all that scan shows. Why wouldn’t there be any heat due to friction?”
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    And this is why you’re ignored. You clearly said the calc was wrong when you couldn’t even understand it. Fail btw FPS means Frame rate per second
    ==”
    “Correction, Dante attempting to swing his sword at blitz and being woefully too slow”
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    Because blitz teleported

  38. Kitten Lord September 5, 2013 at 7:56 pm -      #38

    @Chuck

    “Frame rate per second”

    I know what FPS means, but how does that mean anything when your talking about a static manga scan? I call it unviable evidence because apart form being an uncanon calc, worse its a barely explained one.

    “blitz teleported”

    Not sure that’s ever been in its moveset, just looks like it turned back into lightning and avoided Dante as usual.

  39. sadot06 September 5, 2013 at 8:40 pm -      #39

    @Ammo

    D and Killy would roflstomp Gai and Kakashi. I wanted a more balanced team to go against the ninja.

  40. EnigmaJ September 5, 2013 at 8:56 pm -      #40

    “When? That calc wasn’t taken apart.”
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    www.factpile.com/9128-ryu-hayabusa-vs-kakashi-hatake/comment-page-2/#comments
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    Soon after you posted it at comment #102, several people explained to you exactly why its bullshit.
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    Mangas do not sport a consistent time span between panels. The time span could be a microsecond. The time span could be half a minute. The time span could be 3 days. The idea that you could take one set of panel transitions with a known time frame and apply the average of that time span to another panel where the time span is unknown and STILL expect to get an answer with some degree of accuracy is downright stupid. Plain and simple.

  41. Chuck inglish September 5, 2013 at 9:31 pm -      #41

    “know what FPS means, but how does that mean anything when your talking about a static manga scan? I call it unviable evidence because apart form being an uncanon calc, worse its a barely explained one.”
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    I believe he took the average human’s eye frame rate per second and did the calc from there
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    “Not sure that’s ever been in its moveset, just looks like it turned back into lightning and avoided Dante as usual.”
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    Well he does teleport. He even does it during gameplay. We seen its movement when it’s in lightning form. The movement presented when dante tried to slash it was clearly a teleport

  42. Kitten Lord September 6, 2013 at 5:01 am -      #42

    Well your belief is of no interest to me, Enigma covered it above. You cant take a static image with no real known time frame and if your trying to use human reactions then countless tihngs are required for the calc to mean anything like lightning, constant angles etc, a manga scan like that has none of this so its useless.

    The guy your using there literally chose a few statistics he thought he could make up from the scan and calculated from there, not really knowing any facts.

    “Well he does teleport”

    I don’t remember, show me in-game. Because all I recall is him “flash stepping” lightning style. It looks like that’s all it did there, theres no feat still for Dante to react at that speed. I have no reason to belive Dante does anything other than the same thing players do, wait till it slows down to attack then hit it.

  43. Chuck inglish September 6, 2013 at 5:25 am -      #43

    “Well your belief is of no interest to me, Enigma covered it above. You cant take a static image with no real known time frame and if your trying to use human reactions then countless tihngs are required for the calc to mean anything like lightning, constant angles etc, a manga scan like that has none of this so its useless.”
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    You sir are an idiot, enigma wasnt even referring to the calc I posted he was talking about something from another thread. So the feat still stands
    ===
    “I don’t remember, show me in-game. Because all I recall is him “flash stepping” lightning style. It looks like that’s all it did there,”
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    m.youtube.com/watch?v=c0d39uWnHSc 0:55

  44. Kitten Lord September 6, 2013 at 5:53 am -      #44

    ” enigma wasnt even referring to the calc I posted ”

    No I realise that but he was talking about mangas which is what your using there to assume a time frame.

    “So the feat still stands”

    The feat does, just not someones deliberations and baseless assumptions on it.

    “m.youtube.com/watch?v=c0d39uWnHSc 0:55″

    I thought so, a lightning bolt. Blitz turns into lightning for pretty much all his “speed” feats. The same happened there.

  45. Tails111 September 6, 2013 at 1:40 pm -      #45

    I hope the dmc guys lose. They annoy me.

  46. Chuck inglish September 6, 2013 at 2:35 pm -      #46

    “No I realise that but he was talking about mangas which is what your using there to assume a time frame.”
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    Except the guy didnt use any time frames
    ==
    “, just not someones deliberations and baseless assumptions on it.”
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    Based on?
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    “I thought so, a lightning bolt. Blitz turns into lightning for pretty much all his “speed” feats. The same happened there.”
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    He didnt turn into a lightning bolt, he straight up vanished and besides dante has been able to track him in his lightning form as seen in the cutscene

  47. Mea quidem sententia September 6, 2013 at 3:44 pm -      #47

    GuardianAngel1911 the Ten Tails Jinchuriki Post #11
    •Are you sure it’s from friction?
    ——————–
    Watchdog Lowk Post #13
    •While impressive, that heat is not from friction.
    ——————–
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFZUKOuHrRQ
    ——————–
    Dassadec Post #24
    •Dualgunner’s calculation about the tower drop assumes the low-end or time to be 6 seconds, granting us.
    •Using d = vit 1/2at^2, he ended up with 176.4 meters for the tower. There is an inconsistency with the height of the tower on Mission 3 and Mission 8.
    •It should be worth noting that the distance below when we see Vergil and Arkham on top of Temen-ni-gru looks much farther than compared to when the monster Vergil kills falls below.
    ——————–
    images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110915153050/devilmaycry/images/3/3f/Temen-ni-gru_emerged.jpg
    ——————–
    •That image appears to contradict the height as seen in Mission 3.
    •Going by Mission 8, using the equation would gice us the following.
    •d = 1/2 (9.8 m/s^2)(67 s)^2
    •d = 1/2 (9.8 m/s^2)(4,489 s)
    •d = 1/2 (43,992.2 m.)
    •d = 21,996.1 m., or 21.9961 km.
    •This calculation is only based on the distance Dante dropped, so if that is half of the tower he covered, you’re ending up with 43.992 km., which is bullshit, since it contradicts the image.
    •So, the feat, if it could be called such, is absurd and not worth considering, no matter how you slice it.
    ——————–
    Chuck inglish Post #34
    •That is pretty impressive, but it’d be nice to know how fast Blitz traveled.

  48. Kitten Lord September 6, 2013 at 4:01 pm -      #48

    The “tower drop” has been shot down many times before, the towers height is just not enough for Dante to have gone any major speed and the whole scene happens in like 10 minutes anyway, some of it may or may not be time dilated. Either way, the speed feat as you said Mea is either useless or not worth considering.

    @Chuck

    “Except the guy didnt use any time frames”

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    You/he just said FPS was used, frames per second….that’s an attempt at a time frame by the looks of it.

    “him in his lightning form as seen in the cutscene”

    I cant see how your interpreting Dante missing Blitz as Dante being able to follow him….

  49. Watchdog Lowk September 6, 2013 at 4:23 pm -      #49

    “•While impressive, that heat is not from friction.
    ——————–
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFZUKOuHrRQ
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    I know what it looks like I played the game and actually held it long neough to get a visual of it.
    The it is s different effects from what was shown in the cutscene. In game play the red shown coating it is red like Dante demonic energy. In the cutscene it’s fire and heat.

  50. Shgon Dunstan September 6, 2013 at 4:23 pm -      #50

    Just to point out, Kakashi has used kamui to suck up whole Tailed Beast before, and though he didn’t get the chance to try, thought he could do so to the Juubi, so if nothing else he could use it as an AOE attack.

  51. GuardianAngel1911 September 6, 2013 at 4:26 pm -      #51

    @Mea
    yes, the attack is described as Gai punching so fast the friction ignites his fists, the technique is called Morning Peacock, he starts with a massive kick to launch the target into the air, on lesser opponents this kick itself is enough to cause death through sheer raw power, the next stage is Gai leaping up after his target and punching the shit out of them with the fists igniting from raw speed.
    His other major attack with gates unlocked uses massively condensed air pressure which explodes on command but for now focusing on the Morning Peacock technique.
    www.mangapanda.com/93-263-8/naruto/chapter-258.html
    there’s his fight with Kisame, which is where he first uses it, the whole thing is a fight so I’ll list other feats later for it. if I did this right it should start on page eight. 10-11 he opens the gates to escape from a water trap.
    13-16 he kicks Kisame into the air before he can react, avoids an attempted midair counter and unleashes Morning Peacock and really that’s the whole event for him and whole chapter by then. But yeah pure speed and friction causing it

  52. Shgon Dunstan September 6, 2013 at 4:28 pm -      #52

    “is red like Dante demonic energy.”
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    …..That reminds me, doesn’t Kakashi have some demon suppression seals he keeps to uses on Naruto?
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    “Red demonic energy” is about as easy a “M=M” as they get.

  53. GuardianAngel1911 September 6, 2013 at 4:31 pm -      #53

    @Shgon
    speaking of tailed beasts, Sage Nine Tailed Demon Fox FTW….I wonder if the Nine Tails gets proportionate Sage Mode strength…

  54. Watchdog Lowk September 6, 2013 at 4:42 pm -      #54

    “…..That reminds me, doesn’t Kakashi have some demon suppression seals he keeps to uses on Naruto?

    “Red demonic energy” is about as easy a “M=M” as they get.”
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    1. Oh shit I’ve accidentally started this shit again.
    2. How would that work, Dante is the demon there isn’t one in him to seal.
    3. Demon energy iirc, in series is described as just magic. Would that still fall under the M=M?

  55. GuardianAngel1911 September 6, 2013 at 4:49 pm -      #55

    @Lowk
    yes, yes it would.
    This isn’t sealing we’re discussing though I don’t think but suppressing, it would weaken the demonic energy.

  56. Shgon Dunstan September 6, 2013 at 4:53 pm -      #56

    @Watchdog Lowk
    “2. How would that work, Dante is the demon there isn’t one in him to seal.”
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    It knocks Naruto out, it would likely do the same to him.
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    “3. Demon energy iirc, in series is described as just magic. Would that still fall under the M=M?”
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    A lot of magics that fall under “M=M” “work” differently from each other, that’s a big reason for the rule to exist.
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    The Warp and the Force aren’t much a lot beyond the service, much less WoT’s One Power, but that doesn’t stop the rule from applying, because all are external Cosmic Energies that user pulls into themselves.
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    If it makes you feel better, chances are that if Kakashi can manage to put a paper tag on his head, he can manage, and would likely use instead, kamui.

  57. Shgon Dunstan September 6, 2013 at 4:54 pm -      #57

    “aren’t much a lot beyond the service”>aren’t much alike beyond the service

  58. Shgon Dunstan September 6, 2013 at 4:55 pm -      #58

    ^surface

  59. Watchdog Lowk September 6, 2013 at 4:59 pm -      #59

    “yes, yes it would.”
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    How magic it not based on the same thing chakra is it? I remember the other match it was based living energy or something like that which magic in DMC doesn’t seem based on. They have life energy though which is separate thing apart from the magic.

  60. GuardianAngel1911 September 6, 2013 at 5:01 pm -      #60

    the techniques in question are designed to surpress demonic energy/demonic chakra, not just any chakra, but specifically demonic.

  61. Chuck inglish September 6, 2013 at 5:04 pm -      #61

    “•That is pretty impressive, but it’d be nice to know how fast Blitz traveled.”
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    Blitz lightning form was calced at mach 20
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    “You/he just said FPS was used, frames per second….that’s an attempt at a time frame by the looks of it.”
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    Frames per second as in what the human eye is able to perceive

  62. Shgon Dunstan September 6, 2013 at 5:06 pm -      #62

    @Watchdog Lowk
    “How magic it not based on the same thing chakra is it?”
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    Neither is the Warp, Force, OP, or……(racks brain for something else easily “M=M” with those three)….. The Power Cosmic. Yet it wouldn’t stop them from being “M=M” with them.
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    “They have to be exactly alike” is to high a “burden of proof” for a lot of Chi magics to be “M=M” to each other, and yet they are because their all “chi magics”, the same way that these two are both “demonic energy”.
    -
    Also if it makes you feel vbetter about it, there’s been dozens of times someone has felt Kurama’s “chakra” and said “what is that? That’s not chakra”……

  63. Chuck inglish September 6, 2013 at 5:06 pm -      #63

    “the techniques in question are designed to surpress demonic energy/demonic chakra, not just any chakra, but specifically demonic.”
    ===
    I still don’t see how that’ll work though considering dante rarely uses his demonic magic. Kakashi will most likely be hit by either sword or bullet

  64. Chuck inglish September 6, 2013 at 5:08 pm -      #64

    Oh and if this Vergil is nelo Angelo than he solos. His reactions are mach 172 since he was able to beat dante/alastor

  65. Watchdog Lowk September 6, 2013 at 5:08 pm -      #65

    “the techniques in question are designed to surpress demonic energy/demonic chakra, not just any chakra, but specifically demonic.”
    -
    Which is chakra? Going by the Dante itachi thing it is already described as working on a certain principle.
    A principle which magic doesn’t seem to be tied to in DMC.

  66. GuardianAngel1911 September 6, 2013 at 5:13 pm -      #66

    @Lowk
    you said it was demonic energy, as Shgon said the Tailed Beast’s chakra isn’t chakra in the same sense as humans just like Dante’s demonic energy isn’t the same as other magics in DMC as you yourself said. They are different, but no more so then Force and Warp, they are both demonic energies that aren’t quite natural within their own universes

  67. Watchdog Lowk September 6, 2013 at 5:24 pm -      #67

    “you said it was demonic energy”
    -
    Which is called magic in series.
    ===
    “Dante’s demonic energy isn’t the same as other magics in DMC as you yourself said.”
    -
    Actually I didn’t say that, in fact the thing I was referencing to it just being magic was speaking of Dante
    “I am the combat adjudicator. Only a technique imbued with magic essence can move me.”
    -combat Adjudicator DMC 3
    -
    And magic isn’t tied to life force or living energy, or whatever you call it in the DMC universe. They have stuff for enhancing or recovering life force and they have other stuff for magic.

  68. Watchdog Lowk September 6, 2013 at 5:27 pm -      #68

    Can’t Kakashi do illusions like itachi?

  69. Shgon Dunstan September 6, 2013 at 5:37 pm -      #69

    “Can’t Kakashi do illusions like itachi?”
    -
    Yes, though itachi is better at them, what with them being a cornerstone of itachi’s whole fighting style.

  70. Watchdog Lowk September 6, 2013 at 5:42 pm -      #70

    “Yes, though itachi is better at them, what with them being a cornerstone of itachi’s whole fighting style.”
    -
    But Kakashi no to bad with them right? Can he use it on two people at once?

  71. Chuck inglish September 6, 2013 at 5:45 pm -      #71

    Team 2 doesn’t have chakra so no genjustsu

  72. Amm0vamp1r3 September 6, 2013 at 5:56 pm -      #72

    You need chakra for genjutsu to effect you? interesting.

  73. Shgon Dunstan September 6, 2013 at 6:02 pm -      #73

    “Team 2 doesn’t have chakra so no genjustsu”
    -
    …..Just STFU about that already.
    -
    The equivalency rule means that anything alive(and given Nartuo zombies have it, “anything with a soul” in it’s case) are treated as if they had “Chi” Vs a setting that has said.
    -
    Stuff like this is the whole bloody *reason* rules like that *exist* on Vs sites in the first place.

  74. Watchdog Lowk September 6, 2013 at 6:02 pm -      #74

    “Team 2 doesn’t have chakra so no genjustsu”
    -
    They have life force though which unfortunately may fall under the rule as something they could work with.
    That said think Kakashi needs to pull up his head band from his eye to use it… Plus Vergil can teleport out of view.

  75. Shgon Dunstan September 6, 2013 at 6:03 pm -      #75

    @Watchdog Lowk
    “But Kakashi no to bad with them right? Can he use it on two people at once?”
    -
    Just a matter of them looking into/at his eye.

  76. Mea quidem sententia September 6, 2013 at 6:07 pm -      #76

    Watchdog Lowk Post #49
    •It looks fiery to me in the game, at least when fully charged.
    •What you see in the game has to also be the same as what you see in the cut-scene.
    •Dante is not falling fast enough to produce atmospheric friction.
    •Maybe the attack itself is hot.
    ——————–
    GuardianAngel1911 Post #51
    •Do you have a reference for that exact wording, or is this an interpretation?
    ——————–
    Chuck inglish Post #61
    •Do you have the calculation where it was proved Blitz traveled Mach 20?

  77. GuardianAngel1911 September 6, 2013 at 6:10 pm -      #77

    @Mea quidem sententia
    The Third Naruto Databook.

  78. Chuck inglish September 6, 2013 at 6:19 pm -      #78

    “•Do you have the calculation where it was proved Blitz traveled Mach 20?”
    ====
    www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=17477
    ==
    “…..Just STFU about that already.”
    ===
    U mad?

  79. Shgon Dunstan September 6, 2013 at 6:23 pm -      #79

    @Chuck inglish
    “U mad?”
    -
    No, your just trying to ignore a site rell to help out one of you favorite characters.
    -
    If it helped him on the other hand, oh *how* you’d be preaching it from the roof tops. :roll:

  80. Shgon Dunstan September 6, 2013 at 6:24 pm -      #80

    “rell”>rule.

  81. Watchdog Lowk September 6, 2013 at 6:24 pm -      #81

    “It looks fiery to me in the game, at least when fully charged.”
    -
    That’s demonic energy. Much the same as when he charges his guns or sword. Plus he didn’t charge up.
    ===
    “What you see in the game has to also be the same as what you see in the cut-scene.”
    -
    No it doesn’t, sometimes Dante does stuff in cutscenes that can’t be replicated in the gameplay because, well; gameplay.
    ===
    “•Dante is not falling fast enough to produce atmospheric friction.”
    -
    His hand apparently is.
    ===
    “•Maybe the attack itself is hot.”
    -
    It none of the attacks seem to mention heat, nor does it’s description, plus it made by a jungle plant organic demon. Fire is berial thing.

  82. Amm0vamp1r3 September 6, 2013 at 6:27 pm -      #82

    U mad?
    -
    Just to finish the combo
    -
    i.qkme.me/5uos.jpg

  83. Chuck inglish September 6, 2013 at 6:28 pm -      #83

    “No, your just trying to ignore a site rell to help out one of you favorite characters.”
    ==
    Sounded like it. But anyway I just don’t see how you can just dante has chakra just because he’s living when there’s no other examples of dante’s lifeforce acting like chakra(running on water,walls etc etc)

  84. Shgon Dunstan September 6, 2013 at 6:29 pm -      #84

    @Watchdog Lowk
    “That’s demonic energy. Much the same as when he charges his guns or sword. Plus he didn’t charge up.”
    -
    ….Just a question, but how does “he barely uses his demonic energy”=”he charges both his gun a sword with demonic energy”?
    -
    ….Mostly seen him in Vs, but aren’t those him main weapons?

  85. Amm0vamp1r3 September 6, 2013 at 6:30 pm -      #85

    No everyone with chakra runs on water walls etc etc though

  86. Shgon Dunstan September 6, 2013 at 6:34 pm -      #86

    @Chuck inglish
    “Sounded like it. But anyway I just don’t see how you can just dante has chakra just because he’s living when there’s no other examples of dante’s lifeforce acting like chakra(running on water,walls etc etc)”
    -
    Because the Equivalency real says metaphysics(hyperspace, Chi. Dream worlds) from one of settings in a debate, carry over to the other setting, so as everything alive, and even undead with souls, in Naruto has chakra, so does anything in any setting they go up against in a Vs, at least so far as how the characters interact with stuff like genjustsu.

  87. Commander Cross September 6, 2013 at 6:35 pm -      #87

    @Shgon at #62

    Aren’t all those Supernatural Power Systems, or Power Systems in general for that matter, supposed to go fight and beat the living $hit out of each other?

  88. Shgon Dunstan September 6, 2013 at 6:35 pm -      #88

    “real”
    -
    Once again, “rule”.

  89. Shgon Dunstan September 6, 2013 at 6:36 pm -      #89

    @Commander Cross
    “Aren’t all those Supernatural Power Systems, or Power Systems in general for that matter, supposed to go fight and beat the living $hit out of each other?”
    -
    ……Huh?

  90. Commander Cross September 6, 2013 at 6:41 pm -      #90

    @Shgon at #89

    The most I got out of that rule that got across to me.

  91. Shgon Dunstan September 6, 2013 at 6:48 pm -      #91

    @Commander Cross
    “The most I got out of that rule that got across to me.”
    -
    …..How do you get.
    -
    “Aren’t all those Supernatural Power Systems, or Power Systems in general for that matter, supposed to go fight and beat the living $hit out of each other?”
    -
    Out of…
    -
    “9. Elemental Compatibility
    Elements commonly associated with one franchise/universe will not be exclusive to that franchise/universe if they can be found in the opposition. For example, it is assumed that psychic powers displayed by characters hailing from Forgotten Realms can and would interact with psychic powers displayed by characters hailing from Starcraft as though they were the same.
    -
    Although, similar arguments can be made for a great many number of elements (i.e. The Force, Chi, Magic, etc.), some of these may retain peculiar traits inherent to them that may help them retain a degree of exclusivity. All parties involved in the debate must present evidence against or in favor of this for the channels outlined in rule number “1″ to make an official determination.
    -
    Many of these are commonly associated in error with No Limit fallacies. See rule number “10″ for details pertaining to what constitutes a No Limit situation.”
    -
    This?

  92. Commander Cross September 6, 2013 at 7:05 pm -      #92

    @Shgon at #91

    They’re not supposed to be the exact same thing, but they’re supposed to fight each other anyway?

  93. Watchdog Lowk September 6, 2013 at 7:20 pm -      #93

    “….Just a question, but how does “he barely uses his demonic energy”=”he charges both his gun a sword with demonic energy”?”
    -
    He only has to charge it when he wants to power up his attacks. Without doing it his weapons work fine.

  94. Mea quidem sententia September 6, 2013 at 7:43 pm -      #94

    Watchdog Lowk Post #81
    •You misconstrued what I said. I’m not saying what Dante does in the cut-scene will be seen in game play. What I am saying is that the effects he produces that have been seen in the cut-scene will show up in the game play, which the video I linked demonstrates.
    •However, what is shown in the cut-scene looks a whole lot like what you see here.
    ——————–
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFZUKOuHrRQ&t=41s
    ——————–
    •Nope, and that’s not even how friction works. Dante isn’t even touching Hell’s Gate when he passes his hand through like a karate chop. His hand isn’t even touching below, and yet that part is molten.
    •Well, clearly flames are being produced, so that’s enough evidence.

  95. Watchdog Lowk September 6, 2013 at 8:59 pm -      #95

    “What I am saying is that the effects he produces that have been seen in the cut-scene will show up in the game play, which the video I linked demonstrates.”
    -
    Except it shows a visibly different effect, one which is coded throughout the most of series as for when he’s using energy. The description which states when he’s charging it with with energy. And The fact that he didn’t charge up during the cutscene.
    ===
    “Nope, and that’s not even how friction works.”
    -
    Guy is throwing fireball projectiles with his punches because of friction. Does friction work like that?
    ===
    “•Well, clearly flames are being produced, so that’s enough evidence.”
    -
    Looks like it was only produce by motion evident by the little effect a the bottom part of his hand when he’s chopping.
    Or are we just adding new abilites? Because it never mentioned and that the fact it has nothing to do with fire. I’ve always wanted to give Aquaman to manipulate dead fish so frozen fish stick attack could be a thing.

  96. Mea quidem sententia September 6, 2013 at 9:14 pm -      #96

    Watchdog Lowk Post #95
    •The only difference in effect is when Dante’s hand is passing through Hell’s Gate with the flame. Before and after look just like how it does in the game.
    •No; I’m just going to call it magic and leave it as that, since that’s a common trope in the series anyway.
    •So prove that it’s atmospheric friction and not some effect produced by Gilgamesh.
    •I’m not adding new abilities. The visual evidence is there. How you interpret it is your choice.

  97. Watchdog Lowk September 6, 2013 at 9:18 pm -      #97

    Oh and the uppercut ingame he uses the spike. In the cutscene doesn’t it just him uppercutting.

  98. Watchdog Lowk September 6, 2013 at 9:24 pm -      #98

    “•The only difference in effect is when Dante’s hand is passing through Hell’s Gate with the flame. Before and after look just like how it does in the game.”
    -
    Except he jumps higher, no spike, the gauntlets aren’t even activated, no aura surrounding it, not even a charge up.
    Really the only similarity seems to be that it’s an uppercut.

  99. Chuck inglish September 6, 2013 at 10:18 pm -      #99

    The 8th gate makes the user move at lightspeed

  100. Shgon Dunstan September 6, 2013 at 10:47 pm -      #100

    @Chuck inglish #99
    -
    So…. Does Dante also have a move called “8 gates”, so is that you saying that team two doesn’t stand a chance?
    -
    If you are talking about Guy using the 8th gate, as he hasn’t actual used it yet, I’m not really sure how we could say it makes him go light speed.

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