Rookie Vs Gordon Freeman

Rookie Vs Gordon Freeman

Suggested by Richard Rider

For this match we have the Rookie from Halo ODST facing off against everyone’s favorite from Half-Life, Gordon Freeman.

Rookie: M6C Pistol, M7S Submachine Gun, 1 Frag Grenade & 1 Spike Grenade.
Gordon Freeman: Crowbar, .357 Magnum & MP7 Submachine Gun.

Location – 3 acre junkyard.

Who would win?

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140 Comments on "Rookie Vs Gordon Freeman"

  1. Harbinger Of Pastries August 26, 2013 at 7:53 am -      #1

    I don’t know much about either characters, but from what I do know, it seems like Rookie wouldn’t have much trouble killing Freeman.

  2. ZomBMO August 26, 2013 at 8:05 am -      #2

    No grenades, Gravity Gun, Pulse Rifle, or even a helmet for Gordon? I call spite.
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    He still tears him apart with his crowbar though.

  3. Amm0vamp1r3 August 26, 2013 at 8:17 am -      #3

    I never understood the hype behind gordon, I never played the game either so thats possibly why. But I have only seen him with a crow bar, so I think Rookie domes him and goes about his day.

  4. Namer August 26, 2013 at 8:34 am -      #4

    Gordon is just far more badass. Match scenario gimps him otherwise he’d win any time of the day. Even with this scenario, Rookie’s dead if he gets to melee range.

  5. General Joshua Hundell of the Trans-Dimentional Fleet August 26, 2013 at 8:42 am -      #5

    i’m fairly certain a trained ODST could disarm a simple scientist with little problem, no matter how bad ass he is. He is only bad ass because he has a gravity gun witch is hax at best.

  6. StealthRanger August 26, 2013 at 10:52 am -      #6

    …. yeah, not seeing how Gordon can win this

  7. felixjeager August 26, 2013 at 11:31 am -      #7

    gorden isnt just a scientist, he has gone through some crazy stuff:an alien invasion, the military trying to kill him, going to a different dimension.

    then we come to the fact that gordens armor isnt just made out of cardboard, it does protect him quite a bit…though both characters armor isnt to good anyway because both armor’s get peirced by 9mill bullets all day.

    as for the crowbar it is gordens signature weapon, he is able to kill anything with it: combine soldiers to zombies it is pretty much his ace in the hole.

  8. Amm0vamp1r3 August 26, 2013 at 11:33 am -      #8

    So who do you think wins? Or are you just dropping some knowledge?

  9. felixjeager August 26, 2013 at 11:43 am -      #9

    i’m hopeful gorden wins,but if enough facts were put down for rookie, im ok with rookie winning.

  10. Murder August 26, 2013 at 11:43 am -      #10

    Gordon is an overwanked tard. Everyone likes to say “Oh he saved the Earth!”. Oh big deal! He had a being that controlled his every action and could revive him from death to keep battling those aliens until he eventually beat them which also gave him precog abilities as the AI of their world was pretty predictable and could be accounted for.

    Gordon is a dork. He wears glasses. He was in halflife. Those reasons alone should guarantee his defeat 9-10 times.

  11. felixjeager August 26, 2013 at 11:46 am -      #11

    ” Those reasons alone should guarantee his defeat 9-10 times.”

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    but he didnt die, and he succeded in canon, murder i used to think you werent driven by anger to post things, but i think you need to calm down and think, its not that gorden is super humen like rookie, its because his enemys were dumb as bricks (there was just a shit ton of them) he could out smart em and use the enviroment to his advantage

  12. Amm0vamp1r3 August 26, 2013 at 11:48 am -      #12

    Gordon is a dork. He wears glasses. He was in halflife. Those reasons alone should guarantee his defeat 9-10 times.
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    El Oh El

  13. StealthRanger August 26, 2013 at 11:49 am -      #13

    Eh, typical Murder comment, move along mates

  14. felixjeager August 26, 2013 at 11:55 am -      #14

    question: is rookies visor bullet proof?

  15. Amm0vamp1r3 August 26, 2013 at 11:55 am -      #15

    Good for a laugh it was

  16. OriginalA August 26, 2013 at 12:33 pm -      #16

    So let me get this right.
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    While Gordon gets a .375, the Rookie gets a .50.
    While Gorden gets a 4.6x30mm the Rookie gets a 5x23mm.
    And while Gorden gets a Crowbar, the Rookie gets not one, but TWO grenades.
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    Sure, yeah, okay. Whatever.
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    Fortunately Gorden’s MP7 is like better in every way except magazine capacity compared to the M7. … That includes an effective range that is 400% greater than the M7′s range. And the fact that have comparable bullet sizes means that this is going to Gordon’s weapon of choice for suppression and getting within that 50m effective range of the M7 is something Gordon really does not want to do.
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    Gordon’s Colt Python should have an effective range between 22 to 45 meters. So when the Rookie starts to really open up with the M7, that is when Gordon is going to want to switch to the Python; minimize how low he is exposed while maximizing how much damage he does. Get single, large damage hits, instead of extended bursts. Of course the Gordon would want to use the MP7 for suppression fire while moving though.
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    The crowbar is, despite both its and Gordon’s memetic badass reputation, completely fucking useless here.
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    So Gordon’s actually going to start off with a bit of an advantage because of his weapons not having shit for range. Unfortunately Rookie’s recharging shields and superior speed are going to effectively nullify that. Once it gets in close, Gordon is going to have to keep the pressure on the Rookie in order to keep those shields down and do effective damage. Unfortunately the Rookie has better options at this range because the closer he gets to Gordon the more lethal he becomes, and those two grenades offer a tactical advantage that Gordon cannot match. … And then I remembered Gordon has 3 impact grenades ready to be fired from a mounted M203 under barrel grenade launcher. Yeah. That’s a game changer. That means that Gordon actually surpasses Rookie’s grenade count, and that his grenades should have a similar kill radius as Rookie’s HE-DP (frag) grenade, with similar devastating results. The Spike Grenades has considerably less devastating results (kill radius of 3 meters; wound at 11). And the fact that these are fired from a grenade launcher means that Gordon can fire these with less warning (as opposed to the Rookie pulling back his arm), and they have impact triggers which means that the Rookie is given even less time to run away from them.
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    On the flip side of all of this, should the Rookie survive an encounter he can fully recoop from any damage. Gordon, on the other hand, cannot nor can Gordon’s suit shield him fro 100% of incoming fire (about 80% actually), while the Rookie will not be actually hurt until his shields fail, and then his armor starts taking most of the hits anyways.
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    So Gordon has a range advantage.
    Gordon has a slight firepower advantage with his grenades and Colt.
    Rookie has the durability advantage if given the chance to recharge his shields.
    Rookie has the speed advantage being a Spartan III and all + Mjonlir.
    Rookie has the strength advantage.
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    Actually fairly balanced match. Can go either way.

  17. OriginalA August 26, 2013 at 12:37 pm -      #17

    Just noticed that the Rookie’s M7 is silenced. That can make for some interesting ambush attempts, and I also just remembered that he has motion sensing radar while Gordon does not. So the Rookie has some extra tactical options there that should allow him to get the drop on Gordon in close combat. Although his motion sensors will not detect Gordon until after the Rookie has entered Gordon’s effective range due to range limitations.

  18. Amm0vamp1r3 August 26, 2013 at 12:39 pm -      #18

    I don’t think rookie has Mjonir armor, I don’t think any odsts have mjonir armor actually

  19. itcheyness August 26, 2013 at 12:58 pm -      #19

    ODST’s still have motion sensors in their armor, it also offers the best ballistics protection possible outside of MJOLNIR armor.

  20. OriginalA August 26, 2013 at 1:01 pm -      #20

    FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU…
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    I was thinking Noble 6. Sorry. Disregard everything referencing Spartans as well.

  21. felixjeager August 26, 2013 at 1:02 pm -      #21

    “The crowbar is, despite both its and Gordon’s memetic badass reputation, completely fucking useless here.”
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    is rookies visor bullet proof?

    if not i dont think it would be to good to have a crowbar in your eye socket.

    “it also offers the best ballistics protection possible outside of MJOLNIR armor.”

    but both are penentrated by 9mill rounds…the shield is the only thing going for either armor as far as im concerned, might as well just wear flak jackets-n-kevlar

  22. OriginalA August 26, 2013 at 1:14 pm -      #22

    ODST’s don’t have shields. At all.
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    In the ODST game the regenerating shield mechanic was renamed “stamina”. As a game mechanic “stamina” was nearly identical to the shields that the Spartans have, but from a lore perspective it is complete bullshit and it is only a game mechanic to allow the player to have some survivability.
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    This also shifts the durability advantage to neutral.

  23. Xornell August 26, 2013 at 1:24 pm -      #23

    As much as I love Hl2 and Gordon Freeman, I’d say the ODST wins because of superior equipment. Throw in the pulse rifle and a grenade or two for Freeman and he takes it, though.

  24. felixjeager August 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm -      #24

    srsly! does anyone know if rookies visor is bullet proof?

    “ODST wins because of superior equipment”

    a 45 cal pistol and a 5X23MM sub machingun supperoir equipment does not make.

  25. Amm0vamp1r3 August 26, 2013 at 1:33 pm -      #25

    Yea I think Rook takes it as well, I haven’t seen anything to sway me to gordans side, because as said before I never played his game

  26. OriginalA August 26, 2013 at 1:36 pm -      #26

    You realize that Rookie’s handgun is only marginally better than Gordon’s Python, and Rookie’s M7 flat out sucks ass compared to Gordon’s MP7, and Gordon actually has more grenades than the Rookie due to his MP7 having a grenade launcher on it?
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    I was thinking that this match was close while assuming it was Noble 6 against Gordon. Now that I rethink it as being Rookie instead of Noble 6… Things are going to be turning up Freeman.
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    Oh, and since ODSTs don’t havet hose regenerating shields, that means that Freeman’s suit is effectively better armor than the Rookie’s too, since ODST armor’s low end showings are about as good as paper mache. While their high end showings are compared, if not outright favoring Freeman’s armor.
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    I think that Freeman can actually win this fairly regularly, while the Rookie still does have a real chance; especially with the tools to ambush Freeman.

  27. felixjeager August 26, 2013 at 1:38 pm -      #27

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBTGiqMkSuI

    watch this, its a gameplay vid, might help a bit for gorden.

  28. Chaos Ridley August 26, 2013 at 2:03 pm -      #28

    It’s been months. Oh well might as well get started.

    So. Of all battle I get back to, it had to be Rookie vs Freeman.

    Whelp I’m useless here. I only played ODST once and never played any of the Half-Life games. Sooo I read your guys comment it look like most people seems pretty confident of Freeman. (Except Murder here)

    I see a lot of weaponry/accessories advantage in this thread so far. How about the feats? Could Rookie have impressive feats that could rethink this battle despite his armory disadvantage?

  29. Pemdas August 26, 2013 at 2:04 pm -      #29

    Gordon has some serious disadvantages here.
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    Armor: ODST armor is at least 4 or 5 hundred years more advanced then the HEV suit. While ODST armor is supposed to be the best thing other then Spartan armor. Gordon’s suit is essentially a hardened Hazmat suit. There really isn’t a competition when it comes to the ODST armor and the HEV.
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    Weapons: The Rookie has a huge weapons advantage as well. While his weapons are super advanced anti alien guns. Gordon is using guns from the early 21st century. Don’t even mention the Crowbar. If you have a guy with just a handgun vs a guy with a crowbar. The guy with the handgun will win 99 times out of 100. But weapons are only as good as the user which brings me to my next point.
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    Training: The Rookie is an ODST. They are the best of the best unless you consider Spartans. The ODST are the Navy Seals of the future with near identical training. Gordon Freeman is a middle aged scientist with no known training or combat skills. Its pretty heavily implied that Gordon is just “lucky” when it comes to combat and not actually much better then the average person if you threw a gun at them and told them to use it. Gordon’s success is more owed to his problem solving skills and “luck” then battle prowess.

  30. OriginalA August 26, 2013 at 2:13 pm -      #30

    “Could Rookie have impressive feats that could rethink this battle despite his armory disadvantage?”
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    He is an extreme badass. He survived the events of ODST along with most of his squad. Basically he fought through a city of physically superior enemies, and lived. Pretty badass.
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    “ODST armor is at least 4 or 5 hundred years more advanced then the HEV suit. ”
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    Bullshit. A spiker round, which has less kinetic energy than someone throwing a tennis ball at you really hard, can puncture this armor and pin your arm to a wall. It’s basically paper mache at its worst. On its best showing it can maybe let you live through being it by one or two plasma bolts… barely. The HEV suit, when fully charged, can allow the wearer to survive a dark matter ball that will flat out vaporize an armored human normally. That makes it a FUCKTON better armor.
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    I’ve already gone over why the Rookie’s handgun is only marginally better in terms of firepower (flat out worse in range) compared to the Colt Python that Freeman uses, and the M7 is complete ass with 1/4th the range of the MP7. No, Rookie does not have a weapons advantage. Not like you think he does, Pemdas.

  31. Praetor Prefect August 26, 2013 at 2:14 pm -      #31

    Gordon also has a speed advantage due to the sprint function of his suit. I can see why he wasn’t given a pulse rifle, that’d be too easy for him (instakill energy ball). Gordon’s armor seems better over all, but with no helmet a headshot will kill him pretty much immediately.

  32. Chaos Ridley August 26, 2013 at 2:18 pm -      #32

    “Gordon Freeman is a middle aged scientist with no known training or combat skills. Its pretty heavily implied that Gordon is just “lucky” when it comes to combat and not actually much better then the average person if you threw a gun at them and told them to use it. Gordon’s success is more owed to his problem solving skills and “luck” then battle prowess”

    Didn’t this scientist survive years of destructions or something? Sorry but I don’t really believe luck can get anyone anywhere. Isn’t he well known for adapting under dire circumstances? Well then again. So does 80% of the video game characters.

  33. Chaos Ridley August 26, 2013 at 2:21 pm -      #33

    Oh and surely the armory advantage/disadvantage isn’t that big of a gap.

  34. Pemdas August 26, 2013 at 2:21 pm -      #34

    @OriginalA
    “Bullshit. A spiker round, which has less kinetic energy than someone throwing a tennis ball at you really hard, can puncture this armor and pin your arm to a wall. It’s basically paper mache at its worst. On its best showing it can maybe let you live through being it by one or two plasma bolts… barely. The HEV suit, when fully charged, can allow the wearer to survive a dark matter ball that will flat out vaporize an armored human normally. That makes it a FUCKTON better armor.”

    Can you site your fact about the Tennis ball because I have a feeling its bullshit. A bruit spike might stick to the armor but that doesn’t mean it penetrates all the way through.

  35. ZomBMO August 26, 2013 at 2:28 pm -      #35

    Gordon does win, that armor of his can take one hell of a beating, and he has an underbarrel grenade launcher. The only real advantage the ODST has is VISR. That won’t stop a grenade though.

  36. Richard Rider August 26, 2013 at 2:29 pm -      #36
  37. Chaos Ridley August 26, 2013 at 2:33 pm -      #37

    @ZomBMO
    Three arces is plenty of room for dodging grenades. And it’s a junkyard any mistake you could send a towering chunk of metal raining down on you.(could be that kind of junkyard.) Which reminds me, who could improvise and use the environment to their advantage?

  38. OriginalA August 26, 2013 at 2:37 pm -      #38

    Maths for Spiker:
    the Brute standard issue Type-25 Carbine (otherwise known as the Spiker) fires a 15 gram metallic spike at 70 meters per second for 36 joules of kinetic energy at an effective range of 40 meters
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    by L-W on Krogan vs Brutes.
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    Energy of a tennis ball @ 20m/s
    answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101201035312AAV692p
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    Tennis ball would have to be going at 60 m/s to match the energy output. Fastest tennis ball on earth? 73 m/s

  39. Praetor Prefect August 26, 2013 at 2:41 pm -      #39

    Not even a gravity gun though? For shame.

  40. ZomBMO August 26, 2013 at 2:42 pm -      #40

    Normally Gordon could use his gravity gun and use the environment, but for this match…

  41. OriginalA August 26, 2013 at 2:44 pm -      #41

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxdvGO1oOF0
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    About half way through an ODST gets a spike through the gut, through the armor.

  42. Praetor Prefect August 26, 2013 at 2:46 pm -      #42

    @ZomBMO
    A junkyard is the perfect environment for it too! It’s just adding insult to injury

  43. Xornell August 26, 2013 at 3:09 pm -      #43

    “Bullshit. A spiker round, which has less kinetic energy than someone throwing a tennis ball at you really hard, can puncture this armor and pin your arm to a wall.”
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    Is this an actual thing? Because it seems like you’re lowballing it.
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    “The HEV suit, when fully charged, can allow the wearer to survive a dark matter ball that will flat out vaporize an armored human normally.”
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    Err, I also don’t remember this ever happening in game or otherwise.
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    “Didn’t this scientist survive years of destructions or something?”
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    Nope. He escaped Black Mesa (via PIS) then went into stasis from G-Man. He’s cool, but most of his things are PIS.
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    “by L-W on Krogan vs Brutes.”
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    What exactly was this calc based on? The viral marketing movie of a commercial for a game? Lol who would think that’s even sort of close to a canon representation?

  44. Chaos Ridley August 26, 2013 at 3:35 pm -      #44

    “Nope. He escaped Black Mesa (via PIS) then went into stasis from G-Man. He’s cool, but most of his things are PIS.”
    VS.
    “He is an extreme badass. He survived the events of ODST along with most of his squad. Basically he fought through a city of physically superior enemies, and lived. Pretty badass.”

    What’s tougher Covenant or Black Mesa?

  45. Xornell August 26, 2013 at 3:40 pm -      #45

    “What’s tougher Covenant or Black Mesa?”
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    Physically, Covies are probably tougher. They probably have better Space tech and support, but the Combine have teleporters (sorta) and dark matter.

  46. OriginalA August 26, 2013 at 3:42 pm -      #46

    Those calculations were done using the information provided by Bunjie concerning the weapons weight (both loaded and unloaded), maximum ammo capacity (which combined with weight loaded and unloaded gives us weight per projectile), and muzzle velocity. From there it is a simple calculation of the formula for kinetic energy, Mass x Velocity^2 / 2 == kinetic energy.
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    (Mass * Velocity^2)/2 == Kinetic Energy.
    ((0.015 kg) * ((76.2m/s)^2 *)) /2==43.5483 joules.
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    halo.bungie.net/news/content.aspx?cid=12237
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    You can hate it all you like. You can call it stupid all you like. You can claim it isn’t close to canon representation all you like, but it is 100% canon fact that the Spiker is hilariously underpowered to be an actual effective weapon, and it still according to canon, is a legitimate threat to ODST armor and even Mjonir. Yes, it is a lowball. I’ve said that several times. Still canon fact.

  47. Xornell August 26, 2013 at 3:52 pm -      #47

    ? Lol I don’t hate it, just wanted an actual source on that. Given it’s not meant to be a long range weapon it’s not surprising.

  48. Murder August 26, 2013 at 4:05 pm -      #48

    You know what else fires at 76.2 m/s? A 40mm grenade fired from a 203.

  49. ZomBMO August 26, 2013 at 4:05 pm -      #49

    He fought Vortigaunts, superspeed marines, ninjas, Cthulhu dogs, behemoths, tanks, attack helicopters, super bee shooting aliens, zombies. The list goes on. The forces at Black Mesa were ridonculous.

  50. Chaos Ridley August 26, 2013 at 5:02 pm -      #50

    Okay so I look up the HEV Suit (since I don’t know crap about it). And from what I am looking, it seems to be in common to Samus’ Power Suit. Though it protects the wearer from contamination and radiation like how a Hazmat Suit should (and like Samus’ Phazon Suit) it can store and track weapons and mostly design for combat. Right?

    Tell me. Other than this Black Matter, how much can HEV Suit Mark V can protect Freeman?

  51. OberHeresy August 26, 2013 at 7:17 pm -      #51

    Since when do Spikers easily penetrate ODST armor? I know it pinned one guys to a wall, but I believe it hit a non armored part of his sleeve if I recall. Also, another reason Spikers might be able to puncture armor is how heated they are.
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    And how does Freeman get better range with either of his guns? Neither have sights he can use effectively, and from what I remeber of the silenced SMG and Pistol from ODST, they had pretty great range.
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    Add in that Freeman lacks a helmet……and he’s screwed.

  52. Commander Cross August 26, 2013 at 8:45 pm -      #52

    At an overall basis, this fight isn’t quite as intriguing as Chief Man vs Prophet, but since its been a while since Gordon was in here and he’s fighting it out against an ODST, let alone another Halo dude, I say this is anyone’s game.

  53. Definistrator August 26, 2013 at 8:51 pm -      #53

    I got nothing for dear Gordon nor the Rookie but I have seen Gordon in action he was rather impressive same goes for the Rookie until some good feats (Slap me if I’m using that in the wrong context) I’ll agree with the commanders post.

  54. OriginalA August 26, 2013 at 9:05 pm -      #54

    images2.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/5/51/BioFoam.jpg
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    That’s the wound from an ODST taking a Spike through the chest plate. Note the lack of cauterization. That suggests that pure KE was used to puncture the armor; not heat. Image taken from the same Landfall video I posted earlier.
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    Again, this is the result of a 43 joule weapon. At the low end, ODST armor is complete and utter trash.
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    The 4.6x30mm that the MP7 uses delivers between 447 and 525 joules.
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    The Colt Python’s .375 delivers between 5.9 to 6.3 kilojoules.
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    Freeman gets better range from his guns because his guns have are built better. They are real world weapons; we have information on those weapons; they have an effective range of 200 meters for the MP7 and 20-45 meters for the Colt Python. Likewise we have hard data for the halo weapons:
    halo.bungie.net/projects/halo3/content.aspx?link=h3smg
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    The M6C/SOCOM variant has an integrated sound suppressor.

    Official Designation: M6 PDWS (Personal Defense Weapon System)

    Common Slang Terms: Go-mag, cannon, hand cannon, power drill, HE pistol, heavy pistol

    Cartridge: 12.7mm x 40 SAP-HE (semi-armor-piercing, high-explosive)
    Max. effective range: 50m
    Mag. capacity: 8 rounds (6, 12 in some models)
    Rate of fire: DAO
    Unit cost: 1615 cR.
    Dimensions:
    • Length o/a: 22.86 cm (9 in.) standard
    • 26.7 cm (10.5 in.) ‘up-sized’
    • Weight (loaded/12 rnds): 1.8 kg (4.09 lbs) standard
    • 2.7 kg (5.95 lbs) ‘up-sized’
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    Quoted from halo.bungie.net/projects/odst/guide.aspx
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    Found under Field Guide > Ordinance > M6C/Socom.
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    Note the effective range: 50 Meters.
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    These ranges are complete ass against Freeman’s own. … Well, compared to his MP7 anyways. The pistol is fairly good actually.

  55. Commander Cross August 26, 2013 at 9:14 pm -      #55

    Please let this be one of those very rare fights where only the most stubborn side will win, the site knows we desperately need fights like that.

  56. Amm0vamp1r3 August 26, 2013 at 9:16 pm -      #56

    Where does Crow bar stand on training?

  57. Definistrator August 26, 2013 at 9:26 pm -      #57

    @Amm0vamp1re Well Gordon’s gonna try and beat the snot out of Rookie but since he’s a trained ODST with training and little to some experience with close quarters combat. I believe Rookie will knock it out of his hands and proceed to beat the snot outta him in Melee. Or he could use some of his training to actually grab the Crowbar and beat him with his own weapon. Just a guess on how Rookie stands with Melee. Though Gordon may have a secret black belt In Crowbar-Fu.

  58. Neon Lord August 26, 2013 at 9:31 pm -      #58

    Motion Tracker is a major advantage in one on one fights, especially in a junkyard.

  59. Definistrator August 26, 2013 at 9:36 pm -      #59

    @ Neon Lord Well whaddya know for once were on the same team ^_^ Well also Motion Tracking is a major boon it can help give Rookie when begining first contact he can get a few seconds of preparation so he can get a marginally bigger jump.

  60. Definistrator August 26, 2013 at 9:37 pm -      #60

    @Neon Lord also how far does the tracker spread?

  61. ZomBMO August 26, 2013 at 9:41 pm -      #61

    That would totally help Rookie a fuckton. IF ODSTs HAD MOTION TRACKERS! Seriously yo, haven’t you played ODST?

  62. OberHeresy August 26, 2013 at 9:49 pm -      #62

    Except you can barely tell anything about that wound, let alone if it is cauterized. And isn’t armor in halo, at least for ODST’s, made out of titanium? How does that make sense that it can pierce that if its simple that weak? It doesn’t, unless there is another factor for it hitting, like heat, weight, piercing power, ect. ODST’s armor is designed to take human bullets, and does I believe, though I’ll have to find a proper source.
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    Basically, just because the Spiker gives off strange amount of joules doesn’t mean its suddenly bad. It just means it penetrates due to other causes. Heck, if what your saying is true, how does it ever penetrate a Spartans shield? Aren’t they suppose to be drastically stronger than that?

  63. OberHeresy August 26, 2013 at 9:50 pm -      #63

    ODST’s do have motion trackers………hence the cloud skull in ODST being a option………
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    Have you played ODST?

  64. Definistrator August 26, 2013 at 9:57 pm -      #64

    @OberHeresy…..No I did not I’ve played all the other Halo’s except for ODST…Kinda sad but eh I never got around to it. @ZomBMO I believe then if Rookie can get a good enough of a surprise attack then he can get decent first blood damage then whatever goes beyond their is…well idk.

  65. ZomBMO August 26, 2013 at 9:57 pm -      #65

    SMH. The cloud skull was in Reach, not ODST. ODST had every skull Halo 3 had EXCEPT the fog skull because there was no motion tracker.

  66. Amm0vamp1r3 August 26, 2013 at 10:03 pm -      #66
  67. Amm0vamp1r3 August 26, 2013 at 10:06 pm -      #67
  68. ReDruM August 26, 2013 at 10:22 pm -      #68

    “.Except you can barely tell anything about that wound, let alone if it is cauterized. And isn’t armor in halo, at least for ODST’s, made out of titanium? How does that make sense that it can pierce that if its simple that weak? It doesn’t, unless there is another factor for it hitting, like heat, weight, piercing power, ect. ODST’s armor is designed to take human bullets, and does I believe, though I’ll have to find a proper source.”
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    I think perhaps like modern ballistic armor its designed to stop bullets not edged weapons the likes of which the spiker fires. Hence why prison guards where different types of vests then that of the military and police force.
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    “how does it ever penetrate a Spartans shield?”
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    Shields in Halo are inconsistent. Sometimes they can take falls from massive heights. Other times they can be shattered with fists.

  69. Chaos Ridley August 26, 2013 at 10:56 pm -      #69

    @OberHeresy
    “Add in that Freeman lacks a helmet……and he’s screwed.”

    Thanks to Rider who suggested this match allows Freeman a helmet. So a guarantee headshot is a no go.

    IF Rookie do have a motion tracker, advantage goes to him. Because he is more likely to find the enemy first and give the first shot. Secondly, he will always know where is Freeman’s whereabouts in case he lose him. Freeman can run but he can’t hide. Besides, Gordon will never find out that Rookie has a tracker embedded in his suit.

    Hey guys guess what. Hang the crowbar.

  70. Chaos Ridley August 26, 2013 at 11:01 pm -      #70

    Okay so Rookie’s armor do come with Motion Sensor. I don’t know guys, Rookie got the upper hand now.

  71. ZomBMO August 26, 2013 at 11:07 pm -      #71

    It doesn’t have a motion sensor.
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    images.wikia.com/halo/images/8/8e/H3_ODST_HUD.jpg

  72. Amm0vamp1r3 August 26, 2013 at 11:08 pm -      #72

    I believe he does have some form of sensor, if you use the map on ODST you can see groups of enemies

  73. Vinland August 27, 2013 at 2:03 am -      #73

    @Amm0vamp1r3 The only reason you can see groups of enemies on the map is because of the uplink you make with Superintendent when you use the phone on the first level.
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    When it comes to weapons…. the UNSC infantry weapons are pretty much horrible and the modern weapons used by Gordon freeman outclass the crap that is UNSC standard issue.
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    While I love both Freeman and the rookie (They really need to make another ODST game), I throw my vote with Freeman because he has better weapons and better armor.
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    @Xornell, The Dark Energy balls that the Combine elite shoot/the balls the bounce around when you have to destory/overload the Citadels reactor. When such a concentrated blast of exotic matter passes through a human-sized life form, the target is instantly killed. Furthermore, the victim’s mass is cancelled out by the negative energy, causing the corpse to start floating in defiance of gravity a moment before it dissolves as a result of molecular disintegration. Much like antimatter, when the two come into contact, it results in the total annihilation of both subjects. The Dark Energy blast fired by the mortar-like “suppressor” weapon has a similar deadly effect, while Striders are armed with Dark Energy cannons so powerful that they warp space and cause pronounced visual distortions.
    the HEV suit at full health allows you to survive a hit.

  74. Xornell August 27, 2013 at 2:23 am -      #74

    Is Landfall even considered canon?
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    Also a spike =/= a bullet. Like someone said, they’re designed to stop bullets, not spikes. And the HEV suit isn’t designed to stop either. The fact that it does in-game is game mechanics.
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    “The Dark Energy blast fired by the mortar-like “suppressor” weapon has a similar deadly effect, while Striders are armed with Dark Energy cannons so powerful that they warp space and cause pronounced visual distortions.
    the HEV suit at full health allows you to survive a hit.”
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    Oh I know what Dark Matter is. I’m saying Gordon can’t take a hit from it. Any game mechanic that allows him to do so is just that. A game mechanic.

  75. Xornell August 27, 2013 at 2:26 am -      #75

    Also comparing the guns together is kinda useless…
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    If we give Freeman a rocket-launching machine gun that shoots bullets made of carbon nanotubes that explode with more power than TNT against, let’s say, Superman with a peashooter, who wins?
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    That is an extreme example, but my point stands. The guns aren’t shooting each other and while one may have more range, deal more damage, and hold more ammo, it doesn’t matter if the person wielding it can’t take a bullet.

  76. OriginalA August 27, 2013 at 2:38 am -      #76

    “It doesn’t have a motion sensor.”
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    ….
    I just LOVE how stupid the UNSC are. Have I mentioned that recently?
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    They give their super soldiers motion sensors.
    files.g4tv.com/ImageDb3/293255_S/Halo-4-Vs-Halo-Reach-Comparison-The-HUD.jpg
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    They give their prototype super armor motion sensors.
    images.wikia.com/halo/images/a/a8/HUD_-_Prototype.png
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    They give their most basic troops motion sensors.
    i47.tinypic.com/51rf5.jpg
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    But apparently they ran out of money for giving motion sensors to their special operations elite Marine troopers. That is just hilarious! That’s just precious. Oh I am loving that.
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    There’s something poetic about the UNSC denying some obviously basic gear to their elite shock troops.

  77. OriginalA August 27, 2013 at 4:43 am -      #77

    “Is Landfall even considered canon?”
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    Lowest canon, but yes. Technically the specs for the weapon are higher than it on the canon list. That still leaves us with either the Spiker being a legitimately lethal weapon despite its hilariously terribad joules, or the UNSC just pretends that it is a lethal weapon in order to not hurt the Brutes’s feelings by making fun of their toy pistols.
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    And comparing what people are armed with does make a difference. Considering that Freeman can attack from well outside the Rookie’s range makes a pretty big difference. It’s called power projection. The area that Freeman can influence is greater than the area that the Rookie can influence.
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    And your comparison with Superman doesn’t ring true because Superman can turn himself into a bullet that is faster that the bullets from any gun that we could give him. He is more lethal by himself than any weapon would be anyways. The Rookie and Freeman are not, in any capacity, more lethal than a bullet to the head. They both require weapons to enhance their native lethality; those are guns. When those guns are examined and one of them is shown to be superior, that directly translates into an advantage of the wielder of that gun over his enemy.
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    It doesn’t matter whether or not Freeman can take a bullet or not if he can kill Rookie before Rookie can even get a chance to shoot Freeman. Freeman has that luxury because he has a gun with better range. So, yeah, it makes a pretty big difference when it comes to range, ammo capacity, and firepower.
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    Hell, the most basic principle of combat since its invention, is that you want to put as much distance between yourself and your enemy while at the same time maintaining the capacity to kill that enemy. If you gain the ability to kill your enemy from a range beyond his capacity to kill you, most of the time you are going to win that fight. What makes that difference is weapons, so examining the weapons is pretty important. You can’t just ignore certain aspects about those weapons and hope they don’t come into play… like, say, a 300% range advantage.
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    As for ODST armor versus pointy objects… the outmost layer is a slab of Titanium. The spike went through that. “Oh, but the spike was hot” … Melting point of 3034 degrees F. If it isn’t that hot it isn’t going to seriously compromise the armor’s integrity. At that temperature it would also instantly cauterize any flesh thereby preventing blood loss, which it obviously didn’t do because the ODST guy needed Biofoam to seal himself up from that big gaping hole in his gut… and there was the blood spray on the windshield when he got hit, and the fact that the medic could handle the spike within 5 minutes of the spike hitting him, and we see those spikes cool off within seconds of being fired. You don’t just “cool off” high temperatures just from open air exposure; not at the temperatures required in order to compromise titanium.
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    That heat has to go somewhere. Usually it will go into the air, but it will also go into whatever else it is touching too… armor, a wall, the fleshy bits of a target. We know, cause we saw in the video, that the spiker doesn’t not transfer heat into the concrete wall well enough to cause spalling… which puts it below 800 C. That also puts it below the melting point of Titanium, which means that the heat transfer did not compromise the armor. … at all. Don’t say it did because internal consistency shows that it should not be an issue.
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    So that leaves the pointy bits with the horrendously low kinetic energy behind it. Perspective here… a nail gun fires a nail has fairly comparable statistics to the Spiker except the nail gun has an even smaller projectile. … it still delivers those projectiles with around 400 joules.
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    Now I ask you, just how well do you think a nail gun is going to penetrate a slab of metal?
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    www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJhGuhNHToA
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    That’s a nail gun with something like 100 times the energy of the Spiker. It is not just plowing through that stuff. That material slows those nails downs near instantly.
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    Also, heating up the projectile will just weaken the projectile; not the armor. In order to weaken the armor you have to transfer that heat into it by dissipating the heat into the target. The air is also cooling the projectile. You have to bet that the armor’s heat threshold is lower than your projectile’s for this to be useful, and your projectile must be able to hold heat in order for it to be useful over distance, but not too well or else it will just dissipate into the air.
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    Here’s the thing. You’re betting that the fraction of a fraction of a second where the projectile meets the armor transfers enough heat to compromise the armor…. even if it doesn’t seriously effect the armor until thousands of degrees have been pumped into it. Additionally you have superheated your projectile. That weakens your projectile because superheated materials become more malleable. This actually decreases your chances of puncturing armor because it increases the chances of your projectile just turning into boiling mush instead of keeping its bullet shape. Besides, the projectile would already be striking the armor before the heat could transfer to the armor because the heat is just radiating from the projectile. This is contrast to what is practical, which is to shoot a jet of heat ahead of the projectile to weaken the armor before the projectile actually strikes the armor.
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    So basically the heat proponent of the Spiker is just another flaw that actually just makes the gun that much more worse. What do you think would happen to red hot nails if you shot those at something? The nail would just splatter.

  78. ZomBMO August 27, 2013 at 5:05 am -      #78

    Having further range, more damage, and ammo is precisely what matters.
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    A guy that can safely tank five bullets carrying a shotgun isn’t going to have a good day against a guy with a DMR that can only tank one.

  79. Neon Lord August 27, 2013 at 6:40 am -      #79

    “A guy that can safely tank five bullets carrying a shotgun isn’t going to have a good day against a guy with a DMR that can only tank one.”
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    Unless its a close-range environment, which this is. The gun does matter, but not as much in this match scenario as piles of junk are blocking everything.

  80. Chaos Ridley August 27, 2013 at 1:33 pm -      #80

    “Unless its a close-range environment, which this is. The gun does matter, but not as much in this match scenario as piles of junk are blocking everything.”

    True, most junkyard do tend to be full of crap lying around. But if it look more like this.
    www.wrenchheads.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/TRC4987.jpg
    Then the guy with the longer range weapon still has the advantage. You’ll just be expecting a lot of hiding though.
    www.wrenchheads.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Stoystown-PA-junkyard-1-May-2006.jpg
    Here’s another picture of a junkyard. Look like a place for a sharpshooter to me.

  81. Chaos Ridley August 27, 2013 at 2:00 pm -      #81

    I don’t know guys. Rookie seems to be more badass to me. Mainly he can handle some things a Spartan can. I mean, no Motion Tracker, no shield, no super-strength or even Mjonir armor. And yet, he kick Covenant’s ass. I’m siding with the badass marine here. I mean, if he can handle a fully armored Elite equipped with a long range weapon, he can at least take on against Freeman.

  82. OriginalA August 27, 2013 at 2:16 pm -      #82

    Elites don’t really carry long range weapons. They usually use weapons that favor 50 meters or less engagement distances. Most PDW of the same function as the weapons Elites carry usually have an effective range of 100+ meters.
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    Mind you, both of them have fought against a city full of enemies, while starting with gear that is inferior to their enemy’s gear, while having limited to no assistance. Both of them are extremely badass.
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    Also of note, Gordon has out fought marines before. A plot point in the first half life was that there was a platoon of marines sent to Black Mesa to sanitize the area; that included shoot on sight orders for everything living thing that wasn’t part of that platoon. Freeman fought through them.
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    And it is arguable that our current military could kick the Covenant’s ass, with ease in some cases, when it comes to a ground engagement… which is exactly what we are talking about. I see their ability to survive against extreme odds to be fairly comparable, and there is no doubt that both of them will not make this easy for the other. I just think that Freeman has a few extra advantages that should allow him to win more often then not.

  83. Messmaker August 27, 2013 at 3:35 pm -      #83

    the odst armor has been reconfigured to be mostly ablative now, according to “The Thursday War”

  84. SgCombine August 27, 2013 at 3:46 pm -      #84

    @Chaos Ridley
    Technically we don’t know if the Rookie ever fought Elites since in the game ODST the only Elites you could find were corpses.
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    While Freeman does have the superior SMG, the environment they’re fighting in at least makes it possible to close the range without getting riddled with bullets.
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    While I haven’t been able to find any good durability feats for the the thick Titanium plates the Rookie has on his upper chest/shoulders/legs, they should be bulletproof considering Marine armor seems immune to pistol rounds.
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    “But it turned out most of the Insurrectionists inside the workshop were unarmed. Those that were carried
    snub-nosed automatic pistols; inconsequential weapons whose rounds simply clattered off Avery’s
    armor as he and his squad sidled through the shattered door like hulking crabs, weapons up and
    scanning.”

    Contact Harvest
    Pg. 4

  85. Commander Cross August 27, 2013 at 3:47 pm -      #85

    @Messmaker Marcone at #83

    Did the ODST game take place before or After the Thursday war, by chance?

    I am just trying to make sure things get clarified here.

  86. SgCombine August 27, 2013 at 3:53 pm -      #86

    @Cross
    ODST takes place during Halo 2, Thursday War takes place 4 or 5 months after Halo 3.

  87. Commander Cross August 27, 2013 at 3:56 pm -      #87

    @SgCombine at #86

    How do we know that the Rookie lived long enough to reach the events of The Thursday War by chance?
    So Halo 3: ODST is before Halo 3, which is Pre-Thursday War, yes?
    Well that’s something that got clarified.

  88. SgCombine August 27, 2013 at 4:00 pm -      #88

    @Cross
    The ending scene shows Johnson paying Buck and his squad (Rookie included) a visit about a month later. I’m guessing ONI just kept them around as security for the Huragok, least that’s what it seemed like.

  89. felixjeager August 27, 2013 at 4:40 pm -      #89

    “Armor: ODST armor is at least 4 or 5 hundred years more advanced then the HEV suit”

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    both still get penetrated by 9mill -_-

    ANWSER THE QUESTION IS ROOKIES DAMNED VISOR BULLET PROOF?

    besides rook’s weapons run on 21st century calibers, so not much advantage there as well as the fact gordens weapon is to weapons in one (gernade launcher AND submachinegun)

  90. felixjeager August 27, 2013 at 4:41 pm -      #90

    er i mean *2*

  91. Praetor Prefect August 27, 2013 at 4:56 pm -      #91

    When were the HEV or the ODST armor easily penetrated by 9mm?

  92. SgCombine August 27, 2013 at 5:09 pm -      #92

    @Prefect
    He means in-game, like in Half Life 1 it’s possible to get killed by a Marine with a MP5. Though the 9x19mm rounds he’s referring to have never been shown anywhere in the Halo lore or games.

  93. felixjeager August 27, 2013 at 5:18 pm -      #93

    isnt the assault rifle from halo low cal? anyway, its the shield or “stamina” (same function anyway) that makes using the halo armor useful theres also the fact gordens armor has “power” that drains instead of health when shot, though it does not regenerate.

  94. felixjeager August 27, 2013 at 5:20 pm -      #94

    still no awnser to if rookies visor is bullet proof

  95. Praetor Prefect August 27, 2013 at 5:26 pm -      #95

    @SgCombine
    Ah, but would that not be filed under game mechanics since it can also withstand dark matter energy and assault rifle rounds? Or is that the game mechanics part…
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    @Felix
    I have no idea, but I’d be willing to bet yes, for certain bullet calibers. Stamina is game mechanics though.

  96. felixjeager August 27, 2013 at 5:34 pm -      #96

    then it could be shatterd (eventually) but cant a well placed frag gernade blow it apart right?

    and theres the fact the HEV protected freeman from all kinds of things, like the combine pulse rifle, and the combine sniper rifle if i remember correctly. which are energy weapons.

  97. SgCombine August 27, 2013 at 5:36 pm -      #97

    @Prefect
    Pretty much any “feat” you can get for Half Life is some from ingame since there’s hardly any cutscenes, except for the beginning of the game and the end.
    @felixjeager
    It’s almost certainly not bullet proof. Although I doubt Freeman is a deadshot with the SMG. I’m leaning more towards the Rookie getting a headshot then Freeman. Plus Freeman is never shown with a helmet on the cover of the games, and that’s the only time we even see him!

  98. felixjeager August 27, 2013 at 5:40 pm -      #98

    you dont have to be a deadshot with a gernade as i suggested and when is the HEV helmet importent here? i ment that gorden got shot in his armored bits with energy weapons and turned out fine (unless shot for sustained amounts of time)

  99. Praetor Prefect August 27, 2013 at 5:44 pm -      #99

    Pretty much any “feat” you can get for Half Life is some from ingame since there’s hardly any cutscenes
    Good point.
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    I’m leaning more towards the Rookie getting a headshot then Freeman.
    Freeman was given a helmet for this match

  100. felixjeager August 27, 2013 at 5:47 pm -      #100

    if gorden gets a helmet, then it i say again, both combatents armor’s have been shot with energy weapons, but if i remember correctly gorden seemed to have the better deal in usefulness

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