Vin Vs Korra

Vin Vs Korra

Suggested by War Wizard

Here we have Vin (Mistborn) facing off against Korra (Legend of Korra)

The fight takes place at the Giza Plaza in Egypt (Opens new window)

For this match, Vin has access to all metals, has 4 vials of each (including Atium).

Korra has access to the Avatar state and can also bloodbend if needed.

Who would win?

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139 Comments on "Vin Vs Korra"

  1. Demon Eyes Kyo July 26, 2013 at 7:43 am -      #1

    Beautiful pictures admin
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    That said, Korra is still far from Aang’s powah level and speed afaik
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    Although Vin curbstomped Rahl (uhohinb4Mike)
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    Idk who wins though, interesting thread

  2. Nomad July 26, 2013 at 7:44 am -      #2

    Is this Korra’s first match? Nice.
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    I’d love to have something to input for this one but I’ve never heard of Vin. Maybe I can dig up some Korra stuff if need be.

  3. Kara Zor-El July 26, 2013 at 8:23 am -      #3

    Fuck… I still need to read the Mistborn Trilogy >.>

  4. Shadow-Knight July 26, 2013 at 9:13 am -      #4

    Another match where I am probably just going to watch, that being said I took the liberty of looking up vin’s – mistborn wiki page. Hears the link:

    mistborn.wikia.com/wiki/Vin

    Hope that helps.

  5. ZomBirthday July 26, 2013 at 9:20 am -      #5

    No clue about Vin…

  6. Epicazeroth July 26, 2013 at 9:40 am -      #6

    How much background knowledge of each other do they have? Do they know what the other uses, or does Vin assume Korra uses Allomancy and Korra assume Vin is a Bender?
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    Anyway, I don’t really want to root for anyone but initial bet on Korra just because she can block and I don’t think Vin can. BTW, does Vin have 4 Mistborn bottles (some of each basic metal) and also 4 Atium bottles? And does she get just the 8 in the first book + Atium, or does she also have Larasium and the other 8 metals?

  7. Dassadec July 26, 2013 at 10:21 am -      #7

    @epicazeroth
    Vin will know Korra can manipulate elements and Korra will know Vin uses metal and can enhance her phsyical power at the very least. Korra might assume Vin is a Metal bender with that info. At least that’s what the rule on prior knowledge looks like.
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    Original post says 4 vials of all metals. So Vin has about 5-20 minutes of combat precog. With Atium Vin won’t lose here. Also does Korra wear any metal as standard equipment?

  8. GuardianAngel1911 July 26, 2013 at 10:27 am -      #8

    Korra’s allowed to bloodbend?
    Weell that’ll put a damper on Vin’s day.
    Awesome images, this would be a very interesting fight but Korra controls five elements (including metal as a separate one) Vin controls one, Korra can throw more variety at Vin, sure any metal would get stopped, probably any stone would get cut, but fire, water, wind, lightning, avatar state……
    In September she’s going to war with the spirit world meaning she’s going to get a lot more and some really awesome feats (non human enemies = they can have her be as violent at them as they want….so potentially bad news for her opponents here) and more feats period.
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    So going with Korra due to better variety of elemental manipulation.

  9. Watchdog Lowk July 26, 2013 at 10:58 am -      #9

    Some of Korra’s newfound evasiveness

  10. Dassadec July 26, 2013 at 11:10 am -      #10

    Does Vin also get a bag of coins for her Coinshots? And yeah I’m starting to doubt Vins chances with the battlefield as it is, too open for her to make use of her mobility. If it were a deserted city she would be able to “spiderman around” with all the metal in a city but here she’s basically a sitting duck without metal more miles to push/pull on.
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    Avatar state, its generally triggered by a rush of emotions right? I put forward that she could Soothe Korra out of it if she had to by flaring the associated metal.
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    “Cadmium

    An Allomancer burning Cadmium can subtly pull on time in a bubble around them, stretching it and making time pass more slowly. A Misting who can only burn Cadmium is known as a “Pulser”. Once a time bubble is set by a Pulser, it cannot be relocated once the metal is continuiously being burnt. Any human located within the bubble when it is set could feel the effect, and can see a “blur” of movement outside the bubble as time is seemed to be compressed. No one can either enter or leave the bubble until the metal is extinguished, while any object (e.g. bullet) tries to pass through the “boundary” would find the moving path unpredictable. When both Slider and Pulser burn their metal at the same time and set their bubble at the same location, their effects cancel with each other and nothing happen.”
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    A little bit of time bubbles

    “Larasium
    The body of Preservation. A greenish bead that allows the burner (which can be anyone) to become a Mistborn, allowing you access to all of the Allomantic metals. These beads are the source of Mistborns, and this trait ends up being genetic.”
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    “Duralumin

    An alloy of Aluminum and Copper, reacts with other metals currently burning to create an exceptionally large flare of the metal, consuming the remaining supply.”
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    This allows vin to basically go from 0 to 100 with any of her metals for a short intense boost based on the metal she is burining with it.
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    It should be noted that the last combat capable incarnation of Vin is PreservationVin so she can burn mists to fuel her allomancy if Mist is on the battlefield. Ill try to find quotes from her last battle alongside Elend.

  11. Watchdog Lowk July 26, 2013 at 11:18 am -      #11

    Start at 0:36 for the feat.

  12. GuardianAngel1911 July 26, 2013 at 11:19 am -      #12

    no Korra can enter avatar state at will. so no soothing

  13. Watchdog Lowk July 26, 2013 at 11:20 am -      #13

    “Avatar state, its generally triggered by a rush of emotions right? I put forward that she could Soothe Korra out of it if she had to by flaring the associated metal.”
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    It can be activated by that or as a defense mechanism. But Korra currently has control over the avatar state and can just turn it on or off regardless of how she’s feeling.

  14. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 11:50 am -      #14

    If Vin isn’t in God-Mode, Korra in AS crushes her like a bug.
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    If Vin is in God-Mode…….. Why would we even be having this debate?
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    Also….. Since when can Korra bloodbend?

  15. GuardianAngel1911 July 26, 2013 at 12:06 pm -      #15

    @Shgon
    since the op says she can…will she is a different story though.
    Now what she can do is energy bend so if elemental compatability works out….Korra could strip Vin of her allomancy….which would just be adding insult to injury though.
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    If AS is too much what about no god mode Vin no AS Korra is that a fair fight?

  16. Dassadec July 26, 2013 at 12:51 pm -      #16

    I’d say barring ASKorra and PreservationVin keeps te match fair. But like I said earlier, the location really hurts Vin’s mobility. Like A lot. I have to ask again.does Korra wear any metals, belt, bracers as such? Cause being staggered by Vins pushes an pulls will hurt Korras ability to bend properly if Korra has anything like that

  17. GuardianAngel1911 July 26, 2013 at 12:54 pm -      #17

    no, if I remember correctly she has no metal on her, her only jewelry is bone/ice water tribe jewelry.
    Otherwise the Metalbender police likely would have used it to yank her around when she got arrested that one time

  18. Glutinous-Bicarbonate July 26, 2013 at 1:52 pm -      #19

    Not much in the way of metal resources in the ice where she grew up, so I doubt it.

  19. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 2:00 pm -      #20

    Even without AS…… Korra can basically just make the earth open up under Vin, yeah Vin has precog, but…. It’s not likely to be that helpful.

  20. Epicazeroth July 26, 2013 at 2:01 pm -      #21

    Actually, didn’t the Inquisitors use Duraluminum on Vin in the first book? It doesn’t boost powers, it completely gets rid of any metal reserves the Allomancer may have.

  21. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 2:04 pm -      #22

    @Epicazeroth
    “Actually, didn’t the Inquisitors use Duraluminum on Vin in the first book? It doesn’t boost powers, it completely gets rid of any metal reserves the Allomancer may have.”
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    Think you thinking of aluminum.
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    Duraluminum is the only that burns all of you reserve in one supercharged go.

  22. Epicazeroth July 26, 2013 at 2:04 pm -      #23

    @Shgon: Exactly. Even if Vin can see what Korra’s gonna do, an AoE move makes that null.

  23. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 2:07 pm -      #24

    “is the only”>is the one

  24. admin July 26, 2013 at 2:21 pm -      #25

    @Kara Zor-El – You guys know all know how much I love Sword of Truth. I would rank the Mistborn Trilogy as the BEST fantasy setting series I’ve ever read.

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    Yup, that includes Lord of the Rings and Drizzt’s adventures in the Forgotten Realms. The Mistborn Trilogy has a fantastic payoff that just makes it completely satisfying – and it doesn’t drag on like Wheel of Time and Sword of Truth both did.

  25. Glutinous-Bicarbonate July 26, 2013 at 2:32 pm -      #26

    Oh cool. Now that IS saying something.

  26. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 2:33 pm -      #27

    @admin
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    I thought you said you only read the the beginning of the first WoT book.

  27. Kara Zor-El July 26, 2013 at 2:40 pm -      #28

    @Admin
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    Well I only have the first 2 books atm, but I guess it’s a kick to get the third and read the trilogy xD thanx! I’ll try my best to make ya proud : )

  28. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 3:00 pm -      #29

    @admin
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    Also, if you like Brandon Sanderson’s writing style(I love Mistborn, his others…. Are interesting, if in “world” more often then “characters”), I would recommend “Codex Alera” by Jim Butcher(is *really* good, though sadly doesn’t seem to have much name recognition), as Butcher’s style in it reminds me a *lot* of BS, only much faster paced.

  29. admin July 26, 2013 at 3:07 pm -      #30

    @Shgon Dunstan – Added to the list, thanks!

  30. admin July 26, 2013 at 3:08 pm -      #31

    @Shgon Dunstan – True, but knowing how many books are in the series, that was the comparison I was making.

  31. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 3:14 pm -      #32

    @admin
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    On rereading my post, I’d like to be clear “Codex Alera” is the name of the *series*, “Furies of Calderon” is the first(of six) book in that series.
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    I read them all in like 1-2 week(s), like I said, their really good, and pretty fast paced.

  32. Zazax July 26, 2013 at 3:33 pm -      #33

    On the topic of Sanderson, the Stormlight Archive, if the one book already out is anything to go by, has the potential to be ridiculously awesome.
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    On the topic of the match, I know Vin, but haven’t even seen Airbender, let alone LoK. But if she’s anything like Aang Vin’s going to be hard pressed, even with Atium, and especially with the distinct lack of metal in the area.

  33. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 3:43 pm -      #34

    I wonder how Pewter would do Vs Avatar-verse-humans just plain superhuman-ness….
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    In some areas I think their about even, but I’m not *sure* about strength and durability.

  34. Commander Cross July 26, 2013 at 4:10 pm -      #35

    @Head of Site at #30-31

    Codex Alera does not have enough imagery to work with the last time I checked.
    While you’re at it, mind adding the World of Skulduggery Pleasant by Derek Landy on board?

    Or even Department 19 by Will Hill whenever you got a Sci-Fi Fix going on?
    I’d suggest giving the dot hack(.hack) universe another go-round since Funimation recently acquired the Distribution Rights for the series.

    Will these be added to the list?

    @Everyone else

    *Back to matters at hand*

    While I’m impressed that both sides get amazing pics in here and I’d like to know who did them, let me confess that Nanoha Solos! :cool: :twisted:

    *Game face active*

    Though seriously folks, this is an interesting fight,
    all I can say for now is that it may take a while unless either side starts busting out Big weapons!

  35. Aelfinn July 26, 2013 at 5:01 pm -      #36

    This is a very close fight, as I think of it.
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    In terms of the match set-up, I think Vin would be able to draw Korra into the city, so I don’t think Vin is being hampered there. I also don’t recall Korra having blood-bending, much less blood-bending when there’s no full moon, so I’m currently regarding this as a non-factor (let’s face it, if Korra has blood-bending, she insta-wins).
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    For Vin to win, she has to get in close to Korra. Vin’s vastly superior strength when burning Pewter would probably allow her to literally tear Korra apart. For example, it allows her to run as fast as a horse (if not faster) while “flaring” it and when she burns duraluminum she can head-butt someone so hard that their heads explode. Vin might be able to get off a coin-shot here or there, but for the most part Korra should be able to block it.
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    For Korra to win, she needs to keep Vin away until Vin’s atium runs out. Atium allows Vin to dodge everything pretty much perfectly, and as such it would allow Vin to devastate Korra even more in close-quarters combat. Once it runs out, though, Korra can bring to bear many different types of attacks from many different directions that would be much, much harder for Vin to dodge than she had before.
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    I suppose I should bring up a couple questions, though. Is there water nearby and how much sand is there? This is Egypt after all. With no water and ineffective sand-bending, that could hamper Korra greatly.

  36. NickH July 26, 2013 at 5:20 pm -      #37

    I call bullshit on Korra having bloodbending. She never even attempts to learn that skill and you can’t just tack on an overpowered ability like that to give one character an advantage. So I’m not even considering that. If you want to just tack on abilities then I can run down a list of Hemalurgic spikes Vin can use that will make her unstoppable.

    If Vin has atium then Vin takes her down easy. Even without atium and in a wide open space Vin has superhuman speed, agility and strength to work with while Korra can chuck some fireballs and rocks and that’s about it. Korra also can’t metalbend so blocking coinshots would be pretty tough for her. I think the fight would come down to who figures out the other’s limitations first. Which means Vin since she’s much more analytical in a fight versus Korra’s hotheadedness and brute-force approach. Especially if Vin lures Korra into a part of the city where she can use her mobility and let’s face it, that probably wouldn’t be too hard to do.

    Now if Korra goes Avatar State then Vin get smashed like a bug, even with atium. Being able to see an attack coming doesn’t matter when your opponent can whip up a hurricane and then throw a mountain at you. If we give Vin the ability to burn the mists in this fight then that’ll negate the power advantage of the AS and atium will probably decide the fight again. Even then, AS-Korra will have to finish Mistpowered-Vin off fast since absorbing enough mists basically gives her infinite power.

    Very close match up but I think Vin takes it in more situations.

  37. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 5:35 pm -      #38

    @Aelfinn
    “In terms of the match set-up, I think Vin would be able to draw Korra into the city, so I don’t think Vin is being hampered there. ”
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    Well, as this is a Vs, and so they have to fight sooner or later, all Korra would really need to do is stay put, and wait for Vin to get bored enough to come back and fight.
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    “For Vin to win, she has to get in close to Korra. Vin’s vastly superior strength when burning Pewter would probably allow her to literally tear Korra apart. For example, it allows her to run as fast as a horse (if not faster) while “flaring” it and when she burns duraluminum she can head-butt someone so hard that their heads explode.”
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    When flaring maybe, and using duraluminum sure, but other then that, I’m not sure Vin actually has much of an advantage in physical strength.
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    Atavar-verse humans take flying rocks to the chest all the time, and I seem to remember them getting thrown through them a time or two, to say nothing of easily doing stuff like picking up three full grown people, and jumping up to the roof of a one story building.
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    “For Korra to win, she needs to keep Vin away until Vin’s atium runs out. Atium allows Vin to dodge everything pretty much perfectly, and as such it would allow Vin to devastate Korra even more in close-quarters combat. Once it runs out, though, Korra can bring to bear many different types of attacks from many different directions that would be much, much harder for Vin to dodge than she had before.”
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    A few heartbeats worth of precog, doesn’t help much Vs AoE attacks you *can’t* dodge.

  38. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 5:36 pm -      #39

    “to say nothing of easily doing stuff like picking up three full grown people, and jumping up to the roof of a one story building.”
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    ^talking about two different feats.

  39. Epicazeroth July 26, 2013 at 5:36 pm -      #40

    Atium is a non-factor if Korra can just make a huge wave of earth, sand, or whatever other element and hurl it at Vin.

  40. Shadow-Knight July 26, 2013 at 5:41 pm -      #41

    A tad off topic, but dose anybody remember the show “The Deadliest Worrier”? It would be cool if we had the same type of equipment they had to determine how many battles each side would win out of 1000 battles. It would be cool to see how this match would look

  41. Aelfinn July 26, 2013 at 5:49 pm -      #42

    AoE attacks are being brought up, but how many does the Avatar state have? Not many as I recall. How many are so fast that pre-cog plus coin-push can’t put Vin literally miles into the sky?
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    “A few heartbeats worth of precog”
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    It’s not a “few heartbeats”, it’s practically a couple of seconds combined with the mind’s ability to understand it all.

  42. Shadow-Knight July 26, 2013 at 5:50 pm -      #43

    *deadliest warrior

  43. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 5:59 pm -      #44

    “AoE attacks are being brought up, but how many does the Avatar state have? Not many as I recall. ”
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    ……The AS?
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    …..I think “drop a mountain on you” would be kind of enough. :?
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    Vin is God-Mode could take it, easily, but aside from that…. She’s *WAY* out of her wight class.
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    But I think we were talking non-AS non-GM.
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    Non-AS, benders still have some pretty good AoE feats….. Not LoK-age benders, as it’s become a bit to “game” like, but TLAB-age benders? Sure, they were tearing up the place.

  44. Glutinous-Bicarbonate July 26, 2013 at 6:05 pm -      #45

    Avatar State, from a Water Bender can very well mean the entire effin’ ocean becomes a weapon. Granted that Aang was merged with the Sea Spirit, but he also had yet to utilize the Avatar State cognitively.
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    Still, Sand is bendable, and there’s plenty of it in the arena.

  45. Aelfinn July 26, 2013 at 6:21 pm -      #46

    “.I think “drop a mountain on you” would be kind of enough.”
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    “Avatar State, from a Water Bender can very well mean the entire effin’ ocean becomes a weapon.”
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    The thing is, neither of these have yet to happen in either TLA or LOK. The “entire ocean” didn’t become a weapon, he combined with the Spirit and turned into the mega-water-fish. When he consciously fights in Avatar state, he does things like “bring a couple stone pillars together” and “make the ocean rise”. Probably the largest AoE attack was the “condensed earth-bullet” technique, but even that could be dodged. I’ve seen most, if not every, episodes of TLA and LOK, and the AoE’s are few and far between.

  46. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 6:29 pm -      #47

    @Aelfinn
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    There’s also rock eroding winds, giant water arms, causing a volcano to erupt, *spliting off an island from the main land*(great thing about the AS, is that feats from one avatar, apply to *any* future Avatar, as….. That’s what the AS *is*), busted a mountain(looked small to my, but still “mountain”) while *sleeping*.
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    This is only what I remember off hand.
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    It would be easy enough for AS-Korra to just make a giant land wave to engulf Vin, and there’s not really anything Vin could do about it.
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    Of yeah, and the AS can fly, in a air shield no less.

  47. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 6:36 pm -      #48

    ….You know, I hate debating TV and Movie stuff, as “getting feats” means giving yourself ove to the whims of Youtube………. In my experience, Youtube hates debaters. :(
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    I can never bloody find anything that’s not in an AMV, and even then, finding exact feats is a pine in the ass……

  48. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 6:37 pm -      #49

    “pine in the ass”>(opens mouth)……. No, No, that’s about right.

  49. Aelfinn July 26, 2013 at 6:40 pm -      #50

    None of those are really AoE besides the volcano erupting, and even then, that doesn’t apply here. I must ask when the “mountain-busting” happened, though.
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    “It would be easy enough for AS-Korra to just make a giant land wave to engulf Vin, and there’s not really anything Vin could do about it.”
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    Atium would let her see it coming before Korra even starts the land-wave (which was never shown!), and a coin push high into the sky would make sure it never hits her. Which is why I said it’s all about waiting out the atium.

  50. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 6:55 pm -      #51

    @Aelfinn
    “None of those are really AoE besides the volcano erupting, and even then, that doesn’t apply here.”
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    I beg to differ, the “rock eroding winds” and the “giant water arms”(both of which from the last big fight in TLAB) are very much “AoE”, particularly the wind.
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    And more then those….. How in the world is “spliting off an island from the main land”
    (with earth bending and *wind*) *not* “AoE”? :?
    “I must ask when the “mountain-busting” happened, though.”
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    It’s from the comic, I remember seeing it in “Aang Vs Edward Elric”.
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    “Atium would let her see it coming before Korra even starts the land-wave (which was never shown!), and a coin push high into the sky would make sure it never hits her. Which is why I said it’s all about waiting out the atium.”
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    Wouldn’t really work very well, as “coin push” is more of stilts then anything, yeah it can be used to jump, but…. She has to come down sooner or later, and with the coins getting hit by the wave… It’s going to be sooner.
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    And AS is a power increaseor(sp?), it lets them do bigger stuff, and we *have* seen earth benders do smaller, but still rather big on their own, “land-waves”.

  51. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 6:59 pm -      #52
  52. sadot06 July 26, 2013 at 7:13 pm -      #53

    I’m going with Korra for now. Especially if the OP gives her bloodbending. Thats just hax

  53. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 7:17 pm -      #54

    @Aelfinn
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    Oh, and though a small one(not like she was actually trying), she actually *did* a “land-wave” when she went AS.
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  54. Aelfinn July 26, 2013 at 7:21 pm -      #55

    “I beg to differ, the “rock eroding winds” and the “giant water arms”(both of which from the last big fight in TLAB) are very much “AoE”, particularly the wind.”
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    I don’t see how they are. There’s a difference between “big” and “AoE”. The rock-eroding winds aren’t even that “big”, Bigger than a man, but they don’t affect things even 10 meters in radius. The Water arms are similar. Big, but easily noticeable.
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    “And more then those….. How in the world is “spliting off an island from the main land”
    (with earth bending and *wind*) *not* “AoE”?”
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    Splitting off an island is big, sure, but that is not combat-viable at all, even ignoring that all combat-bending is much, much smaller. In every example.
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    “Wouldn’t really work very well, as “coin push” is more of stilts then anything, yeah it can be used to jump, but…. She has to come down sooner or later, and with the coins getting hit by the wave… It’s going to be sooner.”
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    It’s not really stilts. Put one coin on the ground. Push down on it super hard, and Vin would go flying up into the air. Sure, the coin may get hit by the wave, but push down on a coin in mid-air hard enough, and phsyics would demand that Vin stay up in the air before the second coin even hit the ground. That may require duraluminum, but still, Vin can get out of range easily, as she tends to do.
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    “Here it is.”
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    Less of a mountain-bust and more of a mountain-split.

  55. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 7:37 pm -      #56

    @Aelfinn
    “I don’t see how they are. There’s a difference between “big” and “AoE”. The rock-eroding winds aren’t even that “big”, Bigger than a man, but they don’t affect things even 10 meters in radius.”
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    “Bigger then a man changeable in direction hose of air/water” is still an “AoE attack”
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    And the “changeable in direction” makes Vin dodging it unlikely.
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    “Splitting off an island is big, sure, but that is not combat-viable at all, even ignoring that all combat-bending is much, much smaller. In every example.”
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    I think your forgetting what went into that feat. :?
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    First using earthbending big enough to split off the island from the main land, then using airbending to push it, I’d think earthbending was part of the “pushing”, but I seem to remember the wind having an effect on the army that was there anyway.
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    And it didn’t(save for maybe the travel time to the islands new location) take much more time then most bending feats, so I’m not really sure how you count it as “combat-viable”.
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    Bending isn’t some preset set of moves, it more skill+power level+intent=action.
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    “It’s not really stilts. Put one coin on the ground. Push down on it super hard, and Vin would go flying up into the air. Sure, the coin may get hit by the wave, but push down on a coin in mid-air hard enough, and phsyics would demand that Vin stay up in the air before the second coin even hit the ground. That may require duraluminum, but still, Vin can get out of range easily, as she tends to do.”
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    If she dropped one coin, she’d get pushed into the air, but once that coin gets hit by the wave, she’d need to drop another, which wouldn’t actually keep her in the air until it hits the ground(until then pushing is just going to make it fall faster), and if said ground is still unstable….. At *beast* it flings her in a random direction.
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    And to actually *stay* in the air, she’d need a tripod of coins…. Good luck with that.

  56. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 7:53 pm -      #57

    “so I’m not really sure how you count it as “combat-viable””>so I’m not really sure how you count it as “not combat-viable”

  57. Aelfinn July 26, 2013 at 7:55 pm -      #58

    “Bending isn’t some preset set of moves, it more skill+power level+intent=action.”
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    But just because you can do something big doesn’t automatically mean you can do something deadly and of the same scale. Hell, the one king wasn’t even pushed back by the air she used, and there’s no evidence he even used Earth-bending to stabilize himself. The thing is, I have not seen the Avatar do exceedingly-large and exceedingly-deadly moves.
    -
    “she’d need to drop another, which wouldn’t actually keep her in the air until it hits the ground(until then pushing is just going to make it fall faster)”
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    Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. You push on the wall, the wall pushes back. Two people pull on a rope from opposite ends, the same Force is applied to both of them. If Vin pushes with, say, 10,000 Newtons (completely bogus and even approaching it would require duraluminum, I know), that means the 10,000 Newtons is applied to both the coin and her, which would push her upwards even before the coin hits the ground.
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    Hell, if coins don’t work, a pewter+duraluminum combo may even allow her to jump over it.
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    ““Bigger then a man changeable in direction hose of air/water” is still an “AoE attack””
    -
    But not so AoE that the couple seconds of pre-cog wouldn’t allow Vin to dodge it.

  58. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 8:02 pm -      #59

    @Aelfinn
    “But just because you can do something big doesn’t automatically mean you can do something deadly and of the same scale. Hell, the one king wasn’t even pushed back by the air she used, and there’s no evidence he even used Earth-bending to stabilize himself. The thing is, I have not seen the Avatar do exceedingly-large and exceedingly-deadly moves.”
    -
    There’s that time Avatar Roku, easily, destroyed the fire nation palace just to teach a lesson to the Fire Lord.
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    “Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. You push on the wall, the wall pushes back. Two people pull on a rope from opposite ends, the same Force is applied to both of them. If Vin pushes with, say, 10,000 Newtons (completely bogus and even approaching it would require duraluminum, I know), that means the 10,000 Newtons is applied to both the coin and her, which would push her upwards even before the coin hits the ground.”
    -
    As shown many times in the books, that’s not how the pushing works, it wont push back at her until it hits ground.
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    “Hell, if coins don’t work, a pewter+duraluminum combo may even allow her to jump over it.”
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    At which point she’s out of pewter, and Korra breaks her like a twig in any hand to hand.
    -
    …..And I’m *drowning* in AMV’s just trying to find some a good video of the AS feats. :(

  59. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 8:06 pm -      #60

    @Aelfinn
    “But not so AoE that the couple seconds of pre-cog wouldn’t allow Vin to dodge it.”
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    ….It wouldn’t, not any more then it would stop Rand from just fallowing her with a bar of Balefire, or *you* from just fallowing her with a flashlight.
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    “dodging the aim” doesn’t work to well with beams, not in a well lit room anyway, chances are good the one firing it can move it a *hell* of a lot faster then you can move yourself.

  60. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 8:14 pm -      #61

    It’s an AMV, and it gets a little jumpy in spots, but…
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    www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FRtXyrNkEI
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    This has a few nice “AoE” at about 2:30 on, some I had forgotten about.
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    Will look for less jumpy, and who knows, mabby even non-AMV, one.

  61. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 8:25 pm -      #62

    Here’s a good one of Aang’s uses of it.
    -

  62. Watchdog Lowk July 26, 2013 at 8:33 pm -      #63

    ” Probably the largest AoE attack was the “condensed earth-bullet” technique, but even that could be dodged. I’ve seen most, if not every, episodes of TLA and LOK, and the AoE’s are few and far between.”
    -
    Creating a fissure around and shaking up a town seems pretty big
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  63. Aelfinn July 26, 2013 at 8:34 pm -      #64

    “There’s that time Avatar Roku, easily, destroyed the fire nation palace just to teach a lesson to the Fire Lord.”
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    He destroyed a room with a gust of air. It wasn’t that big.
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    “As shown many times in the books, that’s not how the pushing works, it wont push back at her until it hits ground.”
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    Well normally, it’s a “push with your weight” thing, unless duraluminum is involved, and I don’t recall her ever duraluminum-pushing something without being pushed backwards (admittedly I could be completely forgetting one, though).
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    “At which point she’s out of pewter, and Korra breaks her like a twig in any hand to hand.”
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    Vin often ingests vials mid-combat.
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    ““dodging the aim” doesn’t work to well with beams, not in a well lit room anyway, chances are good the one firing it can move it a *hell* of a lot faster then you can move yourself.”
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    But a water-arm isn’t exactly a beam, and Vin doesn’t even need to dodge it. She just needs to dodge where it’s going to be, so Korra would be hitting empty air every time. Assuming, of course, Vin has enough metal nearby to maneuver to her heart’s content. Might be a problem in that empty desert, but the city isn’t far away in the slightest.
    -
    “Will look for less jumpy, and who knows, mabby even non-AMV, one.”
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    Nickelodeon’s website might have full episodes. But yeah, finding scenes of any anime that isn’t an AMV is nigh-impossible.

  64. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 8:37 pm -      #65

    An AMV, but has much better clips, so here.
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    youtu.be/W9yqNYtaVpw
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    And I think I’m done video hunting for the moment…….

  65. Aelfinn July 26, 2013 at 8:40 pm -      #66

    “Creating a fissure around and shaking up a town seems pretty big”
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    It’s big, and I’ll admit that the Avatar can do some big things, but few of them are big attacks

  66. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 8:44 pm -      #67

    @Aelfinn
    “He destroyed a room with a gust of air. It wasn’t that big.”
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    A few attacks like that would be *more* then enough to deal with Vin.
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    If this latest batch of video hunting has told me anything, Avatar-humans>>>>>pewter buning Mistborns.
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    I mean, some of those things the AS hit the guys it was fighting, that *didn’t* kill them…..
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    “But a water-arm isn’t exactly a beam, and Vin doesn’t even need to dodge it. She just needs to dodge where it’s going to be,”
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    …….Procog only helps so much, if you can’t move fast enough, you can’t move fast enough, and if the warter arm just *fallows* you when you *do*…. Your out of luck.
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    “Nickelodeon’s website might have full episodes. But yeah, finding scenes of any anime that isn’t an AMV is nigh-impossible.”
    -
    :(

  67. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 8:45 pm -      #68

    “If this latest batch of video hunting has told me anything, Avatar-humans durability>>>>>pewter buning Mistborns.”>

  68. Watchdog Lowk July 26, 2013 at 8:49 pm -      #69

    “It’s big, and I’ll admit that the Avatar can do some big things, but few of them are big attacks
    -
    Dropping someone in a giant fissure then closing it up sounds like it be a pretty decent attack…
    ===
    Not as big but still some AOE
    25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3q466MbgD1qk9ry0o4_500.gif
    Another AOE and showing some control over it

  69. Aelfinn July 26, 2013 at 8:53 pm -      #70

    “I mean, some of those things the AS hit the guys it was fighting, that *didn’t* kill them”
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    You gotta admit that there’s some inconsistency, though. You have Team Avatar getting flung out of Appa at break-neck speeds and surviving, but then you also have Jet getting killed by one pillar of Earth.
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    “.Procog only helps so much, if you can’t move fast enough, you can’t move fast enough, and if the warter arm just *fallows* you when you *do*…. Your out of luck.”
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    Atium isn’t just like Jedi pre-cog, though. It’s “I know every single position this object/person will be in for the next five minutes, and I can position my body accordingly”. Vin can dodge before Korra even attacks, and that’s the kind of advantage that’s hard to beat.
    -
    Mind, of course, that Vin doesn’t just have to dodge, she also has to attack. So the big question is, can Vin work her way to Korra before time runs out?

  70. Aelfinn July 26, 2013 at 8:55 pm -      #71

    “Dropping someone in a giant fissure then closing it up sounds like it be a pretty decent attack”
    -
    Except Atium will allow Vin to know it happens seconds before it’s even started. At that point, she just gets out of the way.

  71. Watchdog Lowk July 26, 2013 at 8:59 pm -      #72

    “Except Atium will allow Vin to know it happens seconds before it’s even started. At that point, she just gets out of the way.”
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    By flying?

  72. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 9:00 pm -      #73

    “You gotta admit that there’s some inconsistency, though. You have Team Avatar getting flung out of Appa at break-neck speeds and surviving, but then you also have Jet getting killed by one pillar of Earth.”
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    I’d need to see that one again, and…. I’m really not in the mood to hunt for it(I don’t dislike AMV…. “Good” ones that is, most of these… Aren’t).
    -
    “Atium isn’t just like Jedi pre-cog”
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    Oh, it’s a *whole* lot better then theirs.
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    It’s 100% reliable for one.
    -
    ” It’s “I know every single position this object/person will be in for the next five minutes, and I can position my body accordingly”. Vin can dodge before Korra even attacks, and that’s the kind of advantage that’s hard to beat.”
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    Still only has one body, which can only more one way at a time, and when not pushing, moves a lot slower then the water arm.
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    “Mind, of course, that Vin doesn’t just have to dodge, she also has to attack. ”
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    If Korra just puts up a wind bubble….. No, she can’t.
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    She actually has nothing that would get past the thing that I can think of.
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    It’s not a OP shield of Air, but it’s enough for this.

  73. Aelfinn July 26, 2013 at 9:06 pm -      #74

    “By flying?”
    -
    Or running. Pewter increases speed, and the fissures weren’t that wide. But yes, flying could work. Coin-push up would give her enough air-time to send another coin where the fissure won’t be, and then she’s off again.

  74. Watchdog Lowk July 26, 2013 at 9:06 pm -      #75

    Another sizable AOE, Probably won’t kill but should beable to knock back to set up for another move
    static.tumblr.com/a32tmkq/OFMm6snvc/avatar-yangchen.gif

  75. Aelfinn July 26, 2013 at 9:10 pm -      #76

    “moves a lot slower then the water arm.”
    -
    How fast does the water arm move, though?
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    “If Korra just puts up a wind bubble….. No, she can’t.”
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    It seems like you misread “has to attack” as “can attack”, because I was actually supporting Korra in that statement. Another question, though. What has the wind bubble resisted?

  76. Watchdog Lowk July 26, 2013 at 9:10 pm -      #77

    “Or running. Pewter increases speed, and the fissures weren’t that wide.”
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    The third page shows it was pretty wide. People looked tiny compared to it.
    ===
    “Coin-push up would give her enough air-time to send another coin where the fissure won’t be, and then she’s off again.”
    -
    But eventually she’ll have to come down right. And while in the air wouldn’t she be open to other attacks by air and fire?

  77. Watchdog Lowk July 26, 2013 at 9:13 pm -      #78

    “But eventually she’ll have to come down right.”
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    Should have a question mark.
    Also meant if she doesn’t have sustained flight eventually she’ll have to fall and then another fissure could just be made.

  78. Aelfinn July 26, 2013 at 9:16 pm -      #79

    “But eventually she’ll have to come down right. And while in the air wouldn’t she be open to other attacks by air and fire?”
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    But she’ll see exactly where they would be. Should enough metal be on the ground for use, she could re-position herself mid-air and dodge every one.

  79. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 9:20 pm -      #80

    @Aelfinn
    ” Pewter increases speed”
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    Even flaring it, you only get like 60mph all out running speed.
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    “How fast does the water arm move, though?”
    -
    Looked like it was covering some good ground, catching up to the FL even as he was running/flying away(though so was Aang).
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    “What has the wind bubble resisted?”
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    Not sure if it’s even *been* attacked, but it was what was being shot out as the “rock eroding winds”, and….. What with the fact that it let’s the Avatar fly, Coins are about the only thing Vin can do to it anyway, and what with how “pushing” works…. That might not be a good idea. :lol:
    -
    By the way, it’s been a while since I’ve read Mistborn, how high does pushing off a coin on the ground get her again? I know there’s a limit, but I forget what.

  80. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 9:23 pm -      #81

    @Aelfinn
    “But she’ll see exactly where they would be. Should enough metal be on the ground for use, she could re-position herself mid-air and dodge every one.”
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    Not if there’s no room *to* dodge, Precog is just a warning, it doesn’t just magically make dodging possible were it wasn’t before, and…. I’m not sure where your thinking she’s getting all this metal ether.

  81. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 9:31 pm -      #82

    By the way, I haven’t read “The Alloy of Law” yet, but how does Cadmium and Bendalloy work?
    -
    As Vin never had then, it would be like giving Korra Bloodbending personally(which would end this fight real quick), but I’m just wondering.

  82. Sauroposeidon July 26, 2013 at 9:37 pm -      #83

    Never would have pegged you as a korra fan, admin. Huh. Ya learn something new every day.

  83. Aelfinn July 26, 2013 at 9:39 pm -      #84

    “Precog is just a warning, it doesn’t just magically make dodging possible were it wasn’t before”
    -
    But atium is more than just pre-cog. She sees, in real time, exactly where the object will be and simply has to be not there.
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    “Even flaring it, you only get like 60mph all out running speed.”
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    Enough time to cross, what, 50 feet in a couple of seconds.
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    “By the way, it’s been a while since I’ve read Mistborn, how high does pushing off a coin on the ground get her again? ”
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    In the scene where she cuts the one dude and his horse in half, she somehow falls so far out of the sky that she was invisible. Must have gotten up there somehow, right?
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    “I’m not sure where your thinking she’s getting all this metal ether.”
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    Multiple coins on the ground, or more likely, getting to the city.
    =
    “Not sure if it’s even *been* attacked, but it was what was being shot out as the “rock eroding winds”, and….. What with the fact that it let’s the Avatar fly, Coins are about the only thing Vin can do to it anyway, and what with how “pushing” works…. That might not be a good idea.”
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    I’ve been thinking about the air-shield, and shields in general.. They’re probably what seals the win for Korra. Vin simply can’t get through them. I maintain that atium would allow Vin to dodge most, if not all, of Korra’s attacks, but Vin simply can’t hurt Korra. Atium has a time limit, the Avatar State doesn’t. Korra could keep the air shield up all day, and Vin will run out of time.
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    Be a cool as fuck scene to watch, though.

  84. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 9:53 pm -      #85

    @Aelfinn
    “But atium is more than just pre-cog. She sees, in real time, exactly where the object will be and simply has to be not there.”
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    So… “She sees, in real time, exactly where the giant imposable to dodge wall of water will be, and simply has to be not there.”….. Right.
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    First of all, that is “just pre-cog”, all be it better them “most”, and then….. In the books it mostly used for fighting small groups, or other Mistborn, at which is great, but…. Even the books know it has it’s limits, and this kind of fight, against someone who can *spam* “big”, much less “giant”, attacks, is one of them.
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    “Enough time to cross, what, 50 feet in a couple of seconds.”
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    50 feet to where exactly? The city? So she’s going to let something like the AS have room to work well outside her, not the Avatars *hers*, range of fire?
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    “In the scene where she cuts the one dude and his horse in half, she somehow falls so far out of the sky that she was invisible. Must have gotten up there somehow, right?”
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    I’m talking “holding at that hight” not “jumping”, and there’s a few ways she could of, not the least of which is just flaring.
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    “Multiple coins on the ground, or more likely, getting to the city.”
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    At which point Korra could just cover up the coins, and like I said, giving the Avatar room to work is a *bad* idea.
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    “Be a cool as fuck scene to watch, though.”
    -
    Yes it would.
    -
    Might be a bit more even in power going with Vin from when she was mist burning, but before she became a God…. Not sure how much it would really change though.

  85. Aelfinn July 26, 2013 at 9:59 pm -      #86

    “In the books it mostly used for fighting small groups, or other Mistborn”
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    Except the 50 guys who destroyed an entire army at the end of book 3, and only died because they ran out of atium.
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    “50 feet to where exactly?”
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    I was referring to the “get out of the way of the crevice”.
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    “Might be a bit more even in power going with Vin from when she was mist burning, but before she became a God”
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    Eh, the mists just gave her infinite metal, but I don’t know if that included duraluminum.

  86. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 10:04 pm -      #87

    @Aelfinn
    “Except the 50 guys who destroyed an entire army at the end of book 3, and only died because they ran out of atium.”
    -
    Still not really the same thing as we’re talking here.
    -
    “Eh, the mists just gave her infinite metal, but I don’t know if that included duraluminum.”
    -
    Seem to remember her pushing and pulling around buildings when she was doing it.
    -
    Infinite duraluminum might explain that(been awhile since I’ve read it), but otherwise that’s just *not* how her powers work normally.

  87. Dassadec July 26, 2013 at 10:46 pm -      #88

    What’s the best stamina feat for Korra? I haven’t seen much of avatar but I seem to recall bending being at least a little taxing so while Korra may just have to wait for Vin to run through her metals its not like Korra knows it and apparently she is the hothead in the match how likely is she to actually outwit an opponent . If Vin gets to the city she has the potential to kill Korra before she can react via duralumin Coinshots or pewter flares. My argument is vin might expend 1 or 2/4 Atium to get to the city anyway she knows that’s best for her skillset and has played cat and mouse with steel inquisitors before so its not like it outside character for her to flee a superior opponent

  88. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 10:56 pm -      #89

    @Dassadec
    “What’s the best stamina feat for Korra?”
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    Not really sure, but if nothing else, Korra can always go underground to rest…. And there’s not much Vin could do about something like that.
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    “If Vin gets to the city she has the potential to kill Korra before she can react via duralumin Coinshots or pewter flares. ”
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    If Vin goes into the city, Korra has the potential to…. Just destroy the city rather then fallowing her into it.
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    But like we’ve been saying, coinshots aren’t likely to get past the shields(ether wind, water, or earth… Hell, maybe even fire) Korra can put up.
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    “My argument is vin might expend 1 or 2/4 Atium to get to the city anyway she knows that’s best for her skillset and has played cat and mouse with steel inquisitors before so its not like it outside character for her to flee a superior opponent”
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    The AS can fly, pretty well too.
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    I’d say “fast”, but I’ve got no idea “how fast”.

  89. Dassadec July 26, 2013 at 11:06 pm -      #90

    “But like we’ve been saying, coinshots aren’t likely to get past the shields(ether wind, water, or earth… Hell, maybe even fire) Korra can put up.”
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    I meant as in sniping Korra unawares

  90. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 11:13 pm -      #91

    @Dassadec
    “I meant as in sniping Korra unawares”
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    Like I said, if Vin runs, AS is fully capable of just wrecking the city.
    -
    Also…. What’s the best Coinshot feat? As Avatar-verse humans have taken a *lot* of damage and gotten right back up.

  91. Commander Cross July 26, 2013 at 11:35 pm -      #92

    @Shgon at #91

    Tell me, would that include shots to the head by chance?

  92. Dassadec July 26, 2013 at 11:43 pm -      #93

    “Also…. What’s the best Coinshot feat? As Avatar-verse humans have taken a *lot* of damage and gotten right back up.”
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    I believe I remember coins embedding in stone walls but that’s not 100% sure

  93. Shadow-Knight July 26, 2013 at 11:49 pm -      #94

    Hey, Its been a while since I watched Avatar so this might sound dumb, but can you mix bending attacks? Like fire and air to make a flaming tornado.

  94. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 11:50 pm -      #95

    “I believe I remember coins embedding in stone walls but that’s not 100% sure”
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    I’m…. Not really sure how that’s supposed to work, what with the explanation for how the magic works…..
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    If I understand it right, stuff is pushed with the force of her mass pushing it, if what he is pushing has more mass, she is what get’s pushed, so…. Exactly how does that embed a little bit of medal in stone?
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    ….And I’ve always wondered why sometimes it “embeds” stuff, like with Coins, and sometimes it just pushes whatever happens to be touching the metal, like with when pushing a belt buckle pushes the whole person, rather then pushing the belt buckle *into* the person…..

  95. Shgon Dunstan July 26, 2013 at 11:52 pm -      #96

    @Shadow-Knight
    “Hey, Its been a while since I watched Avatar so this might sound dumb, but can you mix bending attacks? Like fire and air to make a flaming tornado.”
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    If your the Avatar, sure.
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    But no one else can bend two types of bending.

  96. Commander Cross July 27, 2013 at 12:08 am -      #97

    I can’t recall if a Flaming Tornado can be done by Benders in general.
    Something like that could be a given for any Wheel of Time resident who’s a Channeler though, and fighting a Channeler is a terrifying prospect.

  97. Shgon Dunstan July 27, 2013 at 12:23 am -      #98

    @C. C. Babcock
    “I can’t recall if a Flaming Tornado can be done by Benders in general.
    Something like that could be a given for any Wheel of Time resident who’s a Channeler though, and fighting a Channeler is a terrifying prospect.”
    -
    A “complete this task” Vs between a channeler and an Avatar might be fun thought….. “Might”.

  98. Commander Cross July 27, 2013 at 12:40 am -      #99

    @Shgon at #98

    I’d prefer Complete Castrator if people are gonna rape my initials for the Username outright, no naming any names out there as they know who they are.

    But fair point that it might be fun, but one of the factors depends on What Channeler are we talking about, from what faction and whether or not Balefire is in play.
    If the latter’s active, game over for sure No questions asked, end of story, good bye, The End!
    Not the only things to ask about, but they’re at the top of my skull.

  99. Dassadec July 27, 2013 at 12:43 am -      #100

    @shgon
    Real world physics drive Mistborn magic to be sure. The only exlpaination for Coinshots not sending themselves backward when hitting targets larger than themself is to cease pushing before the contact. This may be why Coinshots damage is higher than you’d expect. Anyhow I’m gonna take a shot at the math eventually but I’m thinking its around 120psi distributed on the edge of a coin with Vins weight taken into accoumt

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