Vincent Valentine Vs Dante

Vincent Valentine Vs Dante

Suggested by Amm0vamp1r3

Hailing from Final Fantasy series is Vincent Valentine.

In Final Fantasy VII Vincent uses a variety of different pistols, revolvers, shotguns and rifles, and has rather low stats. Although he is one of the best magic users, his highest Magic is second to Aeris and Cloud, and tied with Cait Sith, while his max MP is second only to Aeris. Vincent has the least HP at level 99 of all characters, and possesses only marginally more Strength than Aeris. Along with Cait Sith, Vincent has the least Vitality at the highest levels, and his Dexterity is average. He has the highest Spirit rating, along with Cloud, Aeris, and Cait Sith. From a wiki: (

Here, he is facing off against Dante from the Devil May Cry franchise. Dante’s abilities are more well known, so not needed to be listed here.

The fight takes place here (Click to open new window)

Who would win?

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44 Comments on "Vincent Valentine Vs Dante"

  1. TheSorrow July 5, 2013 at 7:56 am -      #1

    Not another Dante match… Amm0 you fool!

  2. Kitten Lord July 5, 2013 at 7:59 am -      #2

    I only know the snippet of info from the Topia thread concerning Vincent, ill lean towards Dante for now.

  3. Tails111 July 5, 2013 at 8:39 am -      #3

    For Vincent, are we only using VII feats, or feats from all the games in the VII timeline?

  4. Tails111 July 5, 2013 at 8:42 am -      #4

    Also, I’m assuming that we’re not using Vincent’s Chaos Form, correct?

  5. Kyuuketsuki July 5, 2013 at 9:07 am -      #5

    Yes PDF form is the form in use because I was told it would make this fight alot better.


  6. Rookie July 5, 2013 at 9:08 am -      #6

    Some of Vincent combat feats:

    Example of the Weiss and Vincent combat speed. From the 04:30 Vincent receive power ups and his speed increased. Also from 04:30 look at the stones before Weiss:

    His second duel with Weiss:

    He destroyed Omega Weapon:

    I vote for Vincent for now, but only if he is in full control over Chaos.

  7. TheSorrow July 5, 2013 at 9:16 am -      #7

    Hahaha, I must admit, that one made me laugh.

  8. Namer July 5, 2013 at 9:47 am -      #8

    Lets hope Dante Fanboys don’t make a reappearance. Also, doesn’t he have a Time Stop ?

  9. Kitten Lord July 5, 2013 at 9:50 am -      #9

    He has a time stop, the question has always been how likely hes going to use it before he gets defeated. I agreed previously he wouldn’t necessarily open a battle with time stop with CIS on however if Vincent cant get rid of him quickly Dante may eventually think he requires it.

  10. Soldier's Shadow July 5, 2013 at 10:11 am -      #10

    Dante has the immediate edge in strength but due to the tongue in ass semantics regarding his speed lately, I don’t know where he clocks in. For now, I’ll just assume he and Vincent are similar.

    Vincent’s element attack materia and standard bullets will be of limited use against Dante if any at all. Bullets will be shot out of the air while magic will be dodged. However, once Vincent can enter his Chaos form, Satan Slam and other Death effect materia will be of instant kill to Dante based on how that status effect works in FFVII. Vincent’s other materia that consist of status effects like Stop, Silence, etc that just make the match easier.

    I believe Vincent edges out Dante for the win by virtue of Materia and Death. Until Dante’s speed is accurately verified, he can’t blitz Vincent or anything before he opens up on him with magic.

  11. Mea quidem sententia July 5, 2013 at 10:27 am -      #11

    •Just because Vincent has Time Stop does not mean he’ll think of using that first. CIS, people.

  12. Tails111 July 5, 2013 at 11:25 am -      #12

    @Mea quidem sentential

    Yeah, but that goes for both of them.

  13. Aelfinn July 5, 2013 at 11:36 am -      #13

    There is a difference between CIS and PIS, though. You’d think that unless someone has given an explicit moral reason for not using Time Stop/Slow, then they’d use it. To not use it at the risk of their life (or even to defeat their enemies easily) is most likely PIS.

  14. Chuck inglish July 5, 2013 at 2:12 pm -      #14
  15. PrimusxPilus July 5, 2013 at 2:23 pm -      #15

    Vincent limited to FF7 loses. Overall Vincent is MUCH more powerful. Which one?

  16. OriginalA July 5, 2013 at 2:34 pm -      #16

    “Vincent limited to FF7 loses.”

    You mean when he has access to becoming invulnerable as well as self resurrecting, and the ability to demand that Dante die on command?


  17. PrimusxPilus July 5, 2013 at 2:47 pm -      #17

    THAT actually was for kitten Lord. Wanted him to just move on. Tired of that ass whining “you’re arguing a person’s skill set, not the character”. Personally I think Vincent should win but good lick convincing him of/when he gets here. If it didn’t happen in a cut scene, if it didn’t have solid numbers, it’s not usable.

  18. Urdnot Lowk July 5, 2013 at 4:06 pm -      #18

    Okay based on my limited experiance on ff#whatevers, death spell normally equals a win right? Does Vincent have that?

  19. Urdnot Lowk July 5, 2013 at 4:07 pm -      #19

    Let me rephrase that. Does Vinny use the death spell?

  20. Kuja9001 July 5, 2013 at 4:48 pm -      #20

    Rolling with Vincent

  21. Dassadec July 5, 2013 at 7:16 pm -      #21

    Vincent should have anything Cloud has acess to in a FP match so basically all materia in FF7 and all his DoC gear and skills in addition to that

  22. Zazax July 5, 2013 at 8:01 pm -      #22

    Never actually played DoC, but even just FF7 Vincent should be more than enough to win, for the same reasons Cloud solo’d Dante and Kratos.

  23. PrimusxPilus July 5, 2013 at 8:04 pm -      #23

    DoC boosts him at least half a tier with the protomateria and fighting a being intent in life wiping. Coupled with the basic haxness of materia….

  24. Dassadec July 5, 2013 at 8:54 pm -      #24

    The only thing Vincent lacks that Cloud has is solid bullettiming feats that I can recall

  25. Slayer July 5, 2013 at 10:06 pm -      #25

    “Does Vincent have that?”

    Since he beat Wolverine with it, yes he does

    “for the same reasons Cloud solo’d Dante and Kratos.”

    And yet for some strange reason Sephiroth is tied with Dante here……

  26. Zazax July 5, 2013 at 10:30 pm -      #26

    “The only thing Vincent lacks that Cloud has is solid bullettiming feats that I can recall”
    He intercedes in the fight in the Forgotten City in AC where bullets are flying around like mad, although I’m not really sure what the hell happens there. Does he dodge them under his cloak? Does he phase through them somehow? Does his cloak just completely block them? I have no idea.

  27. Rookie July 5, 2013 at 11:04 pm -      #27

    “The only thing Vincent lacks that Cloud has is solid bullettiming feats that I can recall”

    Vincent fight as equal against Weiss who is a bullet timer. From 0:26 Weiss block bullets:
    So I guess Vincent is a bullet timer as well after he received power up (same video from 04:30)

  28. Dassadec July 6, 2013 at 12:36 am -      #28

    @ zazax
    I know the scene your talking about but that doesn’t really qualify since all you even see is his cloak intercepting bullets

    @ rookie
    That’s what I was looking for. Thanks. So Chaos Vincent > Cloud any day of the week

  29. Chuck inglish July 9, 2013 at 9:24 pm -      #29

    Okay what’s stopping dante from peppering this guy with bullets? And there’s no proof that this guy is even a bullet timer. So how is he even considered competition

  30. Kuja9001 July 9, 2013 at 9:38 pm -      #30

    When Dante can replicate this let me know

  31. Chuck inglish July 9, 2013 at 9:47 pm -      #31

    “When Dante can replicate this let me know”
    What? Moving faster than the eye can see? He does that all the all the time

  32. Dassadec July 10, 2013 at 2:58 am -      #32

    Vincent has all the spells Cloud can bring out and is more likely to use them, this coupled with his Chaos Form, fighting evenly with other bullet timers(Weiss) before using Chaos form. In ff7 Canon Chaos Vincent is more powerful than Sephiroth ever was. Same goes for OmegaWeiss who is Vincent’s main antagonist.

  33. Chuck inglish July 10, 2013 at 2:36 pm -      #33

    “Vincent has all the spells Cloud can bring out and is more likely to use them”
    If dante lets him use them, Dante will be all over him whether a he’s firing E&I or closing in with rebellion
    “fighting evenly with other bullet timers(Weiss) before using Chaos form. ”
    We don’t consider powerscaling feats for characters
    “. In ff7 Canon Chaos Vincent is more powerful than Sephiroth ever was”
    Who cares, dante already beat sephiroth on here

  34. Dassadec July 10, 2013 at 5:29 pm -      #34

    Different Dante. Isn’t this reboot? Current Incarnation rule

  35. Soldier's Shadow July 10, 2013 at 6:00 pm -      #35

    “Different Dante. Isn’t this reboot? Current Incarnation rule”

    Curbstomps are no fun.

  36. Mea quidem sententia July 10, 2013 at 6:51 pm -      #36

    Tails111 Post #12
    •I never said otherwise.
    •According to the link given by Chuck inglish, Dante’s reaction time is 270 microseconds.

  37. Chuck inglish July 13, 2013 at 7:16 pm -      #37

    “Different Dante. Isn’t this reboot? Current Incarnation rule”
    lolwut? I’m pretty sure vamp was intending on using the original dante

  38. Chuck inglish August 2, 2013 at 3:32 pm -      #38
    his karate chop at the end was so fast the he was cutting in half the gate’s chunks with the sheer heat caused by friction without even touching them. If only I knew what kind of speed is required to achieve enough friction to generate enough heat to cut in half stone it would be great.

  39. Chuck inglish August 3, 2013 at 2:31 pm -      #39

    Taking this to the proper thread so we don’t clog up the spiderman vs raiden thread
    “•Drag, or “air resistance” would be what you’re looking for. I don’t think a hand would be capable of causing enough friction to heat up air molecules unless it was a very large hand.”
    “”It was discussed on our cousin-site” On OBD its been discussed a few times that a fist sized object must be moving at Mach 5-10 (I believe 7 was the figure used) to show visible friction heat. Seeing as we all know an object must be above hypersonic to show friction I see nothing wrong with the 5-10 ballpark figure.
    Larger objects create more drag than smaller ones. In their case they were using a fist which has a surface area of 50cm^2, compared to Rebellion’s point surface area which is only around 5cm^2. Having a smaller area means its creating far less drag, which means Rebellion has to move faster than a fist would to achieve the same amount of visible friction.”

    I got that from another site he he was talking about rebellion lighting up an he just so happened to reference a fist lighting up from friction…

  40. Mea quidem sententia August 3, 2013 at 6:18 pm -      #40

    •I don’t know who that is who said that, nor do I know his qualifications. (I don’t have any myself.)
    •Seeing an object heating up tends to be based on meteors or ships passing through the atmosphere.
    •One problem is with the density of the fluid. In physics, fluid refers to gases or liquids.
    •The ozone has a higher density.
    •We don’t know the density of the fluid where Dante is at, but I’m willing to bet it’s not as dense as the ozone.
    •We also don’t know if Gilgasmesh is producing that flame by magic.
    •This feat cannot be determined.

  41. Chuck inglish August 3, 2013 at 6:34 pm -      #41

    “•We also don’t know if Gilgasmesh is producing that flame by magic.”
    I doubt it, there’s nothing in the game Manuel that states Gilgamesh as heating up. It most likely Dante’s hand lightning up from friction. Hell he even has other feats of him moving so fast he lights up (1:50)

  42. Chuck inglish August 3, 2013 at 6:37 pm -      #42
  43. renzo December 16, 2013 at 1:21 am -      #43

    Look at dmc4 dante combo vids

    do you think vincent will survive it?

  44. Zazax December 16, 2013 at 5:40 am -      #44

    “Look at dmc4 dante combo vids
    do you think vincent will survive it?”
    Uh, yeah. For the same reasons Cloud takes down both Dante *and* Kratos at the same time by himself over on Link & Cloud vs Kratos & Dante. Perhaps try reading a thread before reviving it?

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