Published on July 2, 2013, by admin - Posted in Universe 169
Suggested by Richard Rider
Here we have the the might of the DC Comics world facing off against all of the doctors from the Doctor Who series.
Typical Universe rules apply for this match.
Which side wins?
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Darkseid stared at the small dot his armies were descending upon, a single seemingly human man with a blue box. He stood up above his minions and spoke. “Who dares to step upon the soil of Apocalypse. What mortal seeks his early demise.”
The little man smirked a bit as he looked around. “Me? Oh no one special…no one special at all….just a man in a box flying around in this crazy…new universe as a war rages…..better question is….who are you? And what makes you think you have the right to rule tyranically over people? Fancy yourself a god do you? Standing there lording over them like a big shot? Well let me tell you something right now, I’ve met gods before, worse than you, you’re just another dark lunatic whose ego’s surpassed the gravitational pull of his planet.”
Darkside clenched his fists his eyes beginning to burn with the power of his Omega beams from the sheer anger that any pathetic human could dare speak to him as such. “I am Darkside, Ruler of Apocalypse. God to it’s people, and the man destined to rule the universe with an iron fist under the Anti-Life Equation. And you little mortal, will die!” Darkside said with cold tranquil theory unleashing the beams power, the bright orange energy surged forward towards the little man in the suit.
The surrounding slaves and parademons watched as the man simply adjusted his bow tie and calmly watched. Then to the shock and horror of all citizens of Apocalypse and Darkside himself the beams crashed and stopped two feet in front of the little man who just looked up at Darkside as the beams faded, the man’s face was different now, cold, angry, with a fury the likes of which the citizens of Apocalypse had never seen before, a fury greater than Darkside’s greatest rage. The citizens and parademons turned to Darkside and fell to their knee’s praying and begging for his protection from this being.
Darkside watched his face clear of emotion as his minions turned into mewling cowards before this mans rage. And yet, on the inside Darkside was screaming, a terrifying realization this was no mortal man. This was a man who could make Darkside bend, a being capable of breaking him.
“I was afraid of that….” the being said. “Well, Darkside….” there was a spiteful sarcastic tone to the last word. “I thought maybe your world was savable even if you weren’t but it’s not, clearly they’re too far gone. I’m ending this world here and now, make your peace with that Darkside, your death, your end is here.” The man says stepping to go into the box.
“You dare turn your back on a god mortal…..tell me your name, so I can carve it into your hide when I hang it on my wall” Darkside said keeping up his front of dominance, even though, for the first time since that Kryptonian abomination nearly killed his avatar, Darkside felt fear, fear of death, fear of oblivion, fear of this creature with the blue box.
“I’ve had many names, Zeus, Merlin, Destroyer of Worlds, the Demon soaked in the blood of a thousand worlds, The Oncoming Storm…” the cold fury in this beings voice shook Darkside to the core. “But you….the mad being that fancies himself a god….you can call me The Doctor!” The door of the Blue Box closed and vanished. Darkside had a few moments to let the name sink in…before Apocalyps was suddenly past the event horizon of a Black Hole…and he had no more time to think anything.
sorry couldn’t resist, the writer in me forced me to do it.
Anyway leaning towards Doctor Who at the moment, multiple reality destroying weapons, weapons capable of one shotting galaxies and below, if the Time Lords get involved….which they can since the Doctor can unleash them, they can do all of the above and then some, having been able to rewrite the physics of the Doctor Who universe long before the start of the show. Doing what the Guardians of Oa tried and failed to do, and banish magic totally.
And they can do all of this in a matter of seconds before DC can react by offsetting their primary base worlds to be one second out of synch with the universe, unless one of the DC time travelers can find the weapons and such in time
I found that funny, nice story
Anyways, DC does have an omnipotent and beings like Krona, Lucifer, Michael, Anti-Monitor, etc
thanks, it was a fun little early morning writing practice/exercise
Will cover that as I go through Marvel vs Dr. Who.
hopefully will be able to post some feats soon but if not I hope others are willing to cover Dr. Who for me.
Ah nicely done Guardian, that was entertaining.
I will say that as far as infantry goes, nothing Marvel has will slow the Daleks and Cybermen down for long.
Current Cybermen can be killed by a weapon once or twice before it stops working completely.
Superman and higher tier beings might be able to do something to the Cybermen, but everything else is eventually converted into the hive mind of the Cybermen.
Daleks, well planet busting ships, galaxy destroying weapons, reality destroying weapons…
Doctor Who also has the Six-Fold god a multiversal controling entity.
There’s also the Lux Aeterna which is like Marvel’s Heart of the Universe in that it makes someone omnipotent.
Memeovores are creatures that can render beings incapable of thought by eating the idea of the being.
Chronovores which eat alternate dimensions and the entire history of humanoids thus erasing them from existence (See the episode Time Monster or the comic the Crimson Hand)
Its far more likely that Batman, with prep time, will find a way to disable the TARDIS. Clearly its the most logical scenario.
Ummm, GuardianAngel1911, the battle says all the Doctors vs. the DC universe, not all the DW multiverse vs the DC universe. So, it’s just the Doctors, and they do end up losing.
@The Sorrow: Lol, that’s a funny thought.
my bad it said Doctor Who, which isn’t what he’s called, and typical universe rules, I guess I misread the rest.
all the Doctor’s means every version of the Doctor though yes?
so, Doctors 1-11, Valeyard, John Hurt aka The Fallen, the…Watcher? -I think he was called, Doctor incarnation that merged with the Fourth when he regenerated, hd evolved where he needed no time machine, The Other…..
I think that’s all the incarnations
The Doctors are defeated, Brainiac gets access to a massively powerful time machine.
Even with every Doctor, he’s not going to win. Even with his plot shields, beings like Lucifer, Michael, the Specter, etc. would all be able to take him out, and Darkseid might be able to, just depends.
@Asger: No, Brainiac is not going to be the one that defeats the Doctor. Sonic Screwdriver or a myriad of other tech stuff for the win for the Doctor.
The TARDIS would bitch slap Braniac, but yeah the Omnipotents are too much. Unless the Doctor blows up the TARDIS……
Given that Brainiac is one of the most intelligent beings in the DC multiverse…No.
given The TARDID makes him look as intelligent as Jimmy Olsen, yes. It knows what he does before he does it, can do anything it wants, and ccould just drop him in the engine and be done.
Because, you know, the TARDIS does that ALL THE TIME. Yeah, that ship really does act all the time. I mean, it does so much on the show that, really it should be named after the ship.
@Asger: No, saying “most intelligent in universe” is not a valid debate thing. Feats of intelligence are nice. Regardless, the Sonic Screwdriver is built to screw over things like Brainiac. It hacks things, i breaks things, it destroys things, and it’s only limit shown in the show is that is doesn’t work on wood.
The Doctor has taken on worse things then Brainiac, and won. So I wouldn’ say Brainiac
“Because, you know, the TARDIS does that ALL THE TIME. Yeah, that ship really does act all the time. I mean, it does so much on the show that, really it should be named after the ship.”
If we assume everyone will act in character, then Brainiac definitely won’t win. He’ll start to monologue or something, or talk, and that is precisely what the Doctor’s innate reality warping skills use to allow the Doctor to win.
Also, slight nitpick, the TARDIS has told the Doctor before that it is the one who decides where he ends up, so she often will take him to places that need help. So in a way, she is the catalyst that starts nearly every episode.
I don’t see how even the whole doctor who universe could contend with DC, (aka) -> Presence, Micheal Demiurgos, Lucifer Morningstar, Full powered Spectre, 5th dimensional imps, Superman Prime (this guys a G), Flash (outran death), many other completely BS beings, Doomsday (pretty much can’t die), all the DC 1 million characters. Batman 1 million and Braniac would make Doctor Who look like a sniveling derp who eats his own poo (<- kid friendly version).
Sorry I realize I probably caused a lot of rage but when omnipotents are in a fight it makes me rage, because anything less than universe destruction is meaningless, considering many people of this level exist outside time or they can just walk between dimensions like it's nothing.
@Crimson Snetry – I just like to assume omnipotents aren’t in debates, because they make them pointless.
Also, this is the Doctor vs. the entire DC universe, so there is really no chance of the Doctor winning.
I feel like someone might as well change this to an actual Universe vs Universe battle. The title already implies its a universe battle ( “Doctor Who” is not the guy’s name… ) and it would allow for more discussion.
Just saw this: ” Batman 1 million and Braniac would make Doctor Who look like a sniveling derp who eats his own poo (<- kid friendly version)."
HIS NAME IS THE DOCTOR, NOT DOCTOR WHO :P:P:P
Also, maybe, maybe not, tell me when they can build time technology out of spoons, cups, pots, and tea leaves.
@EnigmaJ – please do that, it would make this a lot more fun
“and it’s only limit shown in the show is that is doesn’t work on wood.”
I don’t recall it working on organic beings. Least of all ones that could knock the crap out of Superman.
“Also, slight nitpick, the TARDIS has told the Doctor before that it is the one who decides where he ends up, so she often will take him to places that need help. So in a way, she is the catalyst that starts nearly every episode”
But the TARDIS isn’t the one that solves the problems. It brings the Doctor where he’s needed, but on it’s own the ship doesn’t solve the problems.
“The Doctor has taken on worse things then Brainiac, and won. So I wouldn’ say Brainiac”
I’d say the 12th level intellect strong enough to beat down Superman with supernova weapons, armies of duplicates, weapons scrounged from all the most advanced civilizations and his own army, would be a threat on his own.
Of course this isn’t taking into account the New Gods, The GL corps, the Red Lanterns, Star Sapphires, Larfleeze, Black lanterns, Anti-Monitor, the other Monitors, Krona (Who beat Galactus to death in three hits), Rip Hunter, the Legion of Superheroes, all the Kryptonian heroes, Kent Nelson, about 7 different pantheons of gods, Imperiex, the Presence, the Spectre, the wizard Shazam, all the Flashes, and about 52 other universes of beings if this isn’t just reserved to the mainstream universe.
Yeah the Doctors get destroyed in the span of a nanosecond and then DC goes about making more horrible reboots.
I already agreed the Doctor gets stomped, I just said it wouldn’t be by Brainiac.
“please do that, it would make this a lot more fun.”
I can’t do that since I didn’t suggest the match. Only Richard Rider or the admin can do that at this point… and hopefully they do.
I mean are there any arguments otu there for how even the entirety of the Doctor Who universe could contend with composite DC?
O btw Spawn is technically part of DC if I’m not mistaken, I think Darkhorse is owned by them unless disney got their hands on them first *shivers*
Still wouldn’t be that much of a match. I mean, it would last…5 seconds longer? And you can’t just say ‘no gods’ for either side, because the definition of god for both universes can be pretty damn loose. Someone like Darkseid is technically a god, but the Anti-Monitor isn’t.
@Crimson Sentry and Asger – the Doctor Who unvierse has thousands of universe destroyers (Chronovores), the Time Lords (who stomp over everyone short of the New Gods and up), Word Lords, Eternals, a device that gives 100% omnipotence over matter and time to the user, beings that see the Chronovores as ants, Elder Gods/Old Ones that can pop universes by just manifesting in them, Faction Paradox, and tons of others who most definitely could contend with everyone short of the presence and maybe the Specter/Luifer/Michael.
If they can’t compete with Specter, Morningstar or the Presence…then it’s still a pretty stupid match isn’t it?
OK … so since we are talking about all 11 Doctors … does this also mean we are getting all their versions of the Tardis ? … As for the Tardis , while it doesnt do it ALL THE TIME … it has reconfigured itself to save/help the Doctor or Its own well being … and that is enough to know it can and will defend itself … Now we’re assuming anything can get into her … Her shields have survived exploding suns , the draw of a blackhole and countless other things … It can easily tow a planet … Im pretty certain anything below Omnipotents/Gods are fodder
I go into these matches assuming omnipotents aren’t used, simply because that makes them pointless.
Though, since having no soul appreantly allowed the King of Tears to not be judged by the Specter, would that mean that everyone on the DW side would be safe from him since they don’t have souls?
Though yeah, Lucifer/Michael probably win this for the DC side.
Don’t forget, The Endless are also fighting as well.
I generally don’t like universe matches, but using Marvel DC or Image is something I really don’t like. Mainly because they have absolute omnipotents that curb anything thrown at them. And taking them out of the match, well it doesn’t make the other universe stronger or anything. If DW was to beat DC because they didn’t have access to Presence or his underlings, then really they would only win against a badly handicapped version of DC.
Have DW fight Xeelee or Downstreamers or something like that.
@Asger: Good point.
*wonders what the Doctor ever did to Richard Rider..*
I would rather Lucifer, and the Doctor sit down and simply talk a bit over a couple drinks.
I think the Doctor would get on great with Mister Terrific.
Or hell, even Superman. Last sons of dead, highly advanced civilizations. ultimate heroes in their respective universes, and both regarded as geniuses.
So h’el built a device that would’ve destoryed sol.
Vyndktvx showed 5-D imps can exist/plot/attack at multiple points in time and space thoughout the multiverse.
They can make a weapon with the power to take out multiple planets by accident
Mxyzptlk does stuff like
Assuming the first Lantern is in this he can(without being at full power) temporarily rewrite the universe and rewrite someones personal history and feed on the emotions they cause. The Doctor would probably have a lot more emotional energy then most of the lanterns in the corp that he drained so he should be able to get to the full power just on him.
@GA your portrayal of Darksied seems off. He always gave me the vibe of someone a bit more cunning and ruthless then to just throw threats. He always seems to find away to fuck someone over even if he loses.
“Current Cybermen can be killed by a weapon once or twice before it stops working completely.
Superman and higher tier beings might be able to do something to the Cybermen, but everything else is eventually converted into the hive mind of the Cybermen.”
I think people like Captain Steel who can control steel, the magic people like zatanna, energy manipulator/absorbers like Stargirl, and/or matter manipulators might be able to actually do something about them.
Also Booster Gold and the Legion have time travel so do a few other beings.
Also there’s the Oracle
He’s kind of like a watcher in marvel. A cosmic entity he can see past, present, and future. Also according to the creator could take out a solar system
Scott Lobdell: Hmmm… “face off” might be a bit off. The truth is Oracle is such a cosmically powered entity that he/she could probably obliterate an entire solar system with a sideways glance! Fortunately for Superman, Supergirl and Everyone on Earth… Oracle has a higher calling than to slug it out with anyone.
Oracle is someone who can see the past, the present and the future all at once. Now, you and I would find that pretty disorienting just trying to do about our day. But Oracle is a cosmic entity, so multiply whatever you’re thinking by a few infinities… it is any wonder he/she has a hard time relating to us humans (or Kryptonians as in the case of Kal, Kara and H’El.)
One day factpile I’m going to find a way to turn my self into a digital entity , go into the internet and strangle you for all the awaiting moderations.
Didn’t DC have like a multiverse Vampire thing and a superman robot that could take it on? I remember Our resident vampire enthusiast mentioning him once or twice. Mandrakk or something?
“I think the Doctor would get on great with Mister Terrific.”
I’d watch that crossover.
They could call it the Terrific Doctors… No, that sounds horrible. The Doctor and The Mister? Doctor & Holt?
Braniac should go on Jeopardy.
I’m almost ready to be back full time here. I’ve been pretty swamped lately.
In any case, DC Comics in an unholy rapestomp. They have too many heavy hitters. Anti-Monitor noms the Whoverse. Mandrakk noms the Who storyline. Thought Robot pinches the Whoverse, destroying it. Michael/Lucifer let loose an omniversal big bang and chill to watch the fireworks. “DC Comics” implies everything ever involved with DC, meaning we get to throw Silver Age Supes in cuz lolwhynot? He gets a new anti-TARDIS power (weirder things have happened) and there ya go. Without the TARDIS, aren’t the Doctors just like… Normal people? I mean I know they’re timelords and can reincarnate or whatever, but physically they don’t have anything special about them.
If this was the whole Doctor Who universe, I feel this would be slightly more of a match.
“But the TARDIS isn’t the one that solves the problems. It brings the Doctor where he’s needed, but on it’s own the ship doesn’t solve the problems.”
Because it’s limited, being a ship and all. When it became a human it explained that because it was a fifth dimensional being that it couldn’t survive in a body for long.
All the Doctors? Including the ones we haven’t seen yet, or only the one’s we’ve seen? The ones we haven’t seen yet, well, there’s this idea going around that The Doctor has more regenerations because River gave all of her regeneration energy to save him. That, or, the 13 regeneration rule was a Timelord rule, and now that they’re gone(timelocked), it doesn’t apply. We could have an unknown amount of Doctors and their TARDISes all in this match. The show could go on for 50 more years and we could have 12 more Doctors for all we know.
All that aside, it’d be funny to see all the Doctors brought together. They’d spend a good 15 minutes or so arguing until they finally realize why they were brought together and try to find a way to defeat an entire Universe the fastest way possible.
Depending on how many Doctors are brought together, wouldn’t that mean a stronger combined plot shield for him? I remember reading somewhere the Doctor has literal plot shields.
Doesn’t seem like much that Dr. Who offers to DC’s broken top tiers.
Lucifer, Krona or the Anti Monitor alone could probably solo the match.
When I suggested this match I was going for “All of the Doctor Who Universe Vs. All of the DC Universe excluding all Omnipotents or Nigh-Omnipotents.” Like the Marvel Vs. Doctor Who match.
@Richard Rider: So, the people not used would be Lucifer, Michael, and the Presence on the DC side and The Grace on the Who side?
Yes. No Omnipotents or Nigh-Omnipotents.
DC would still have the might of the Lantern Corps, Kryptonians and the New Gods among others though so that should be more than enough to contend here.
Then we got their prep time characters like Lex Luthor, Brainiac and Batman which would certainly be a danger to the Who-verse.
@Soldier’s shadow – you act like the Whoverse has no one with prep skills on their side. I might add that the omniverse Merlin guy (Marvel) and Rassilon were peers. Rassilon is the guy who literally thought up all of the laws of physics in his head, and telepathically forced reality to accept those laws using the Eye of Harmony. The Doctor is a prep god. The Master with prep created a device that gave the user the ability to casually hand wave billions of universes in and out of existence, without trying. There are others, beyond just those guys.
The mixture of Mxy, Vyndktvx and the Oracle. One of which can see the past present and future all at once. The others are a high tier reality warpers that can exist at multiple places/points in time at once. That should be useful against the time travel.
“@Soldier’s shadow – you act like the Whoverse has no one with prep skills on their side”
I never remotely implied that, mate. Just said that the DC brains would be a danger to the Who side considering how potent they are with prep. Especially Brainiac and Lex considering the nature of their technology.
“Rassilon is the guy who literally thought up all of the laws of physics in his head, and telepathically forced reality to accept those laws using the Eye of Harmony.”
And I take it this makes him a reality warper? What feats does he have that will save him from a FTL blitz?
“The Master with prep created a device that gave the user the ability to casually hand wave billions of universes in and out of existence, without trying.”
Seems like a doozy to deal with. Right now, best thing I’ve seen from the Who side against DC.
“And I take it this makes him a reality warper? What feats does he have that will save him from a FTL blitz?”
Speed blitzed by who? He is on Gallifrey pretty much regardless of when you decide to use him. And Gallifrey is both protected from temporal attacks (time changes don’t affect them) and has shields that can withstand multiple universe destroying attacks, at a minimum, but have a high end of several thousand universe destroying attacks at max.
How is an FTL blitz going to work. No one short of maybe the Anti-Monitor is getting through Gallifrey’s shields, unless they have a feat of destroying hundreds of universes at once. So speed shouldn’t matter
The Daleks are also prep gods, give them several centuries, and they can bring nearly anyone to their knees, without ever actually fighting them. Give them any amount of time to prepare a war, and you get things like the Reality Bomb, copies of the Eye of Harmony, and tons of other crap that sets them equal to the Time Lords.
Sutekh has psychic powers, that when stated to be limited by his jailers, who all had the same powers, were still able to punch through the TARDISes shields like they weren’t there. Give him any amount of prep, and he does things like unleashing the Great Vampires throughout history.
Faction Paradox take out anyone that has a physical body. And since their tech literally runs on “screw phsyics, I use magic bitches!” prep time is not an issue. They effectively can have as much as they want.
One of the Elder Gods, using just 9th century stuff (IIRC, it might have been earlier) built a device that could destroy universes. Heck, the Doctor was building a hammer to create time storms with 9th century stuff in the same story.
That’s just prep stuff. Right off the bat, thousands of Chronovores eat the alternate DC’s time lines, or Time Lords pull out the weapons of mass destruction and start nuking universes.
“Speed blitzed by who? He is on Gallifrey pretty much regardless of when you decide to use him. And Gallifrey is both protected from temporal attacks (time changes don’t affect them) and has shields that can withstand multiple universe destroying attacks, at a minimum, but have a high end of several thousand universe destroying attacks at max.”
Didn’t superboy “I’ll kill you to death” prime once punch so hard he fucked up the multiverse?
Would stuff like that work?
“Faction Paradox take out anyone that has a physical body.”
Also couldn’t the prep be counter by the reality warpers that could just kill or erase them beforehand since they don’t really need to prep to that?
“Right off the bat, thousands of Chronovores eat the alternate DC’s time lines, or Time Lords pull out the weapons of mass destruction and start nuking universes.”
I vaguely remember them from the marvel thing, Couldn’t Chronovores be sealed or enslaved or something? or was it something about slicing time?
Could they be erased from existence? I think DC might have something that can do that.
To the Chronovore question, the book where a Time Lord catches one is on my to read list, but I don’t yet know how it was caught.
Superboy Prime messed up less than 100 universes by punching, not high enough.
And yes, while things that can erase them from existence may work, you need to say what they are so we can debate it
Faction Paradox – their leader erased himself from existence for the lulz, and the accepted theory by the Faction is that he will come back into existence if he is talked about too much. They time travel using blood sacrifices. They can annihilate time lines if they get your blood. Or, turn you into the Grandfather (the leader). Their base is the “missing” calendar days when England switched from Julian to Gregorian calendars. They are rather stupidly hard to kill
The Celestis are Time Lords that erased themselves from existence because they didn’t want to be killed in the Time War.
Being erased is a temporary thing for many of the higher ups in the Whoverse.
Would the anti life equation be able to control time lords or delaks? It basically a formula that disprove the concept of free will thus putting people under it’s control, just give Flash or time trapper it and they can go around space and time spreading it to the other side. Then they can just use DW’s forces against itself right?
“And yes, while things that can erase them from existence may work, you need to say what they are so we can debate it”
People like Mxy(and other imps), full powered First Lantern think Anti monitor with vast reality manipulation abilities.
“They time travel using blood sacrifices. They can annihilate time lines if they get your blood. Or, turn you into the Grandfather (the leader).”
Wouldn’t that just mean they have a leader that one of DC’s characters as someone who now knows all about them? Since by the rules there still DC characters thus on DC’s side. Also wouldn’t they have to get the blood risking themselves to being killed?
Ah, yeah, the Anti-Life definitely wins this for DC, totally forgot about that.
Couldn’t something like the reality bomb just remove teh Anti-Life from existence?
I feel like all of The Imperator’s claims come from the EU, and not exactly the main canon. I know, apparently “everything is canon”, but it doesn’t feel right, ya know?
“Ah, yeah, the Anti-Life definitely wins this for DC, totally forgot about that.”
That, was unexpected. Maybe I should go see if I can get similar results in other dc universe matches.
@Aelfinn: Not all of them And why does it not feel right? DC has just as much crap and over powered stuff to pull out, and the ALE pretty much wins this for them? Saying “only TV show DW” is like saying “only stuff from Superman/Batman/JLA (i.e. the well known titles) for the DC side.
@Urdnot Lowk: What can I say, I’m a New Gods fanboy
“why does it not feel right? DC has just as much crap and over powered stuff to pull out, and the ALE pretty much wins this for them? Saying “only TV show DW” is like saying “only stuff from Superman/Batman/JLA (i.e. the well known titles) for the DC side.”
I don’t think that’s exactly the same comparison, though. The comics for DC are the original, home canon for DC. All their overpowered stuff exists within that. The super-overpowered Doctor Who stuff exists in the EU, which I am not a huge fan of for any franchise, to be honest. It’s the stuff not created by the owners/continue-ers of the home canon that makes it feel false.
Speed blitzed by who? He is on Gallifrey pretty much regardless of when you decide to use him. And Gallifrey is both protected from temporal attacks (time changes don’t affect them) and has shields that can withstand multiple universe destroying attacks, at a minimum, but have a high end of several thousand universe destroying attacks at max.
How is an FTL blitz going to work. No one short of maybe the Anti-Monitor is getting through Gallifrey’s shields, unless they have a feat of destroying hundreds of universes at once. So speed shouldn’t matter”
Darkseid and his ALE should suffice then.
“Give him any amount of prep, and he does things like unleashing the Great Vampires throughout history.”
This means? Not a Who buff so looking to learn to debate against them.
“DC has just as much crap and over powered stuff to pull out, and the ALE pretty much wins this for them? ”
The source canon of DC is just really freaking broken between sneezing away solar systems to devouring multiverses.
The most powerful things in Doctor Who are from the show. The Key to Time, Sutekh, the Fendahl, Final Santction, etc.
There are like three things that are overpowered from outside the show – the Grace, the Quantum Archangel, and the power up for the Old Ones/Elder Gods.
“The most powerful things in Doctor Who are from the show. The Key to Time, Sutekh, the Fendahl, Final Santction, etc.”
The shield around Gallifrey? I don’t remember it requiring universal+ level energies to break. The Eye of Harmony? That wasn’t major in the show either.
Eye of Harmony is pretty important, one of them even powers the Doctor’s TARDIS, it was brought up just recently in the Journey to the Center of the TARDIS and I think was an easter egg in a couple other episodes this season. Thing that rapes the universe if it explodes is pretty important in my opinion..
does the DC Universe are also including Earth-Teen Titans(my favorite DC Universe)?
and whatever there’s universe battles that involves ours, things like Conspiracy Theories, ‘fringe’ science, and so on must taken into account not to mention we also have Omniversal level god for our verse’s author
Speaking of the TARDIS, in Time Crash, when the Fifth Doctor’s TARDIS and the Tenth Doctor’s TARDIS impact each other in the time stream, the impact threatens to create a black hole that will consume the universe. To counteract it, The Tenth Doctor explodes these crystals in the TARDIS, creating a supernova at the exact moment the black hole was about to form, causing them both to cancel out.
From 4:38 to 5:07 the temporal collision is explained.
From 2:58 to 3:47 the solution is shown.
@Aelfinn: In the show, it is stated to be unbreakable. So the EU actually gives it an upper boundary.
The Eye of Harmony simply being opened shoved the Earth into a black hole in the movie, or at least it would’ve. It also powered all TARDISes, and is linked in the center of the Doctor’s TARDIS, the likeliest suspect for why the TARDIS destroyed the multiverse by blowing up.
@GuardianAngel1911 – Very nice writing.
had almost forgotten that….if the Time Lords wanted they could crash two of the same TARDIS into each other to pull of the effect….or just let someone like Superman try to destroy a TARDIS
also @Neon Lord
Yeah, but all of these are like once-and-done things. I don’t really have words to describe it (and in that sense you may have proven your point), but it just irks me.
I just know Eye of Harmony is in the series as a major facet (it blowing up in Journey to the Center of the TARDIS required a literal reset button) and while any of it could potentially be one off it would get the job done….though so would the Reality Bomb but…yeah.
Chronovores I mentioned the TV episode they were in above in one of my first posts.
I can check on the shield around Gallifrey and where what was stated if you would like.
Also….De-Mat Guns which remove people from existence were eventually modified to work without the great key and would work on basically anything that’s not the Presence if it’s blast hits them, since everything was created at a point in space time and thus if hit by something that erases it’s target from space time…well yeah…
My point though is the Doctor later modified one….to do the same thing to entire populations (Time Lords and Daleks) if they start mass producing those and placing them on Dalek saucers and on TARDISI and just on Daleks and giving them to various infantry whole populations, and organizations such as the various Lantern Corps could be wiped out in instants.
In this match up I see Batman and the 10th doctor sitting on either side of a chess board. They exchange small talk, and together they say “Good Game” before going their separate ways. The camera then pans to the board and we see that neither of the players moved any peices *then this plays www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE2sDwzj7AU*.
I think this is a Draw.
dc…do i need to explain?
if your explanation is Superman please don’t
lol no just the sheer number of supposedly omnipotent beings, some slightly less powerful than that…
I excluded any Omnipotents and Nigh-Omnipotents on both sides.
@Darthgrim: Even with no nigh omnipotents for either side? Does DC have thousands of universe busters? The ability to rape anyone’s time line with just a drop of their blood? Rewrite physics over thousands of universes? Yes, while DC is powerful, they aren’t exactly going to stomp.
Depends exactly who is being taken out, someone like COIE Anti-Monitor at full power might be able to do it
Wouldn’t DC have the upper hand smiply due to raw numbers? Having multiple universes and +1000s of characters in each of these universes would give them an advantage. Also would the character being affected by the whole being erased thing have to be less powerful than the ray? Just wondering because beings like Superman Prime i don’t think would be affected. Also since you said its a gun is it a literal point and shoot kind of gun or is it some kind of weapon of mass destruction?
DC has a lot of people that aren’t “Omnipotent” or close to it, yet who can still destroy universes or even effect large portions of the Multiverse.
@ghostdog001: So are we assuming composite for both, because Doctor Who has an infinite Multiverse.
@Darthgrim: Other than the 5-d imps and the Anti-Monitor/higher powered monitors, who else can affect the Multiverse? I haven’t read comics in a while, and I tend to only pick up trades, so I honestly don’t know.
@The Imperartor: I’m not a big buff on DW so I’m just wondering how its verse is considered infinite. Because the DC universe could also be considered infinite due to it getting new characters, re-write of characters, new universes ect ect.
Stated multiple times in the show and books and audios, there are an infinite number of alternate universes. So if you want to composite DC, Doctor Who would also be composited.
Ok just wondering thought it was smaller. But I think DC still would have more numbers because its source to pull from is broader (not just a tv show and books). And im guessing the match is composite because it just says DC and that would mean every DC relate thing (not just comics) since Action Comics #1. Which is 80 years of history to pull from and multiple universes to use with each having almost an infinite amount of characters.
Doctor Who has 50+ years, so they are not that far off
I believe, though, that standard universe rules is main universe vs main universe, so alternate universes would not usually factor in.
“I believe, though, that standard universe rules is main universe vs main universe, so alternate universes would not usually factor in.”
Don’t think that applies where the concept of multiverse being a common attribute of the fiction. As is the case with stuff like these two fictions.
1 how can the doctor who universe do anything against some heavy mettle dc character (Doomsday for major example)
2 How many reachable areas are there out of our solar system in doctor who because solaris can just destroy earths sun.
Plus more if you want more reasons why dc would Annihilate doctor who just ask.
1: Doomsday gets transmatted into a prison and his timeline is unwound so he doesn’t exist.
2: High level beings on both sides can simply annihilate universes as side effects of battles.Does Solaris have a defense against getting teleported into a sealed pocket dimension and getting erased from time, or getting time looped?
Regardless, neither of the guys you mentioned could even help the DC side, you’re thinking too small.
So what 30 or so versions of the Doctor each using their own TARDIS vs one universe?
The first Doctor starts calculating how to use the Sonic Screwdriver to destroy the DC universe, the final Doctor whoever/whatever number that will be proceeds to do it as that will likely be thousands of years in the future for him technically.
Or was this changed to a universe match? Because if so the full power Time War Time Lords are back in business technically and the Daleks are a force again not to mention the new improved Cybermen and the Doctor has 13..or 12 more lives now so…not a good day to be fighting Doctor Who universe.
Just have to throw this out, before stuff about “retconn of Time Lord abilities” comes up because of Day of the Doctor. No, they weren’t retconned. In fact, a comic that came out in 2012 (year before the 50th) had Time Lords talking about how the Daleks and Time Lords had completely annihilated each others’ fleets of esoteric/TARDIS vessels. Oh, and somehow the War was still continuing a long way from Gallifrey (End of Time), so even without TARDISes and really powerful stuff, they were still somehow fighting. Coming of the Terraphiles revealed that all Time Lords were gone from the Multiverse after the Time War, which pretty much means the War was a lot more damaging than shown on screen in the last minutes of the War that we got.
Weren’t the Time Lords technically losing at the end hence Rassilons whole destroy the multiverse/all of time to ascend to a higher plane strategy…which was referenced in the recent Time of the Doctor Christmas special…because really being in a war with the Daleks and slowly losing isn’t really a nerfing so much as showing just how terrifyingly powerful the Daleks are, the Time Lords had pulled out essentially every single stop in the war except the Moment, which is a Wibbly Wobbly can of worms in and of itself to be completely honest.
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