Hannibal Lecter Vs Dexter

Hannibal Lecter Vs Dexter

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Excellent fight here!

Both Hannibal Lecter and Dexter are making their debut on FactPile with this match.

Dexter arrives in the city,hearing about the murders that have been committed recently.He runs into Dr.Lecter while stopping by a crime scene. Lecter can tell something’s up with the new comer.Dexter feels something off,and starts following the trail.

Who is the better serial killer?
Would Dexter or Hannibal live through through a confrontation with the other?

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42 Comments on "Hannibal Lecter Vs Dexter"

  1. OberHerr June 18, 2013 at 8:37 am -      #1

    I feel like Hannibal would be……if nothing less because he’s the bad guy, and doesn’t really have much of a moral code. Plus, he’s shown some pretty good fighting skills.

  2. Kytheros June 18, 2013 at 9:49 am -      #2

    Dexter, I suspect. He started training in his youth (both for combat and the murdering), and is probably in better conditioning overall as well.
    He’s also generally highly meticulous and careful with his kills and the cleanup process.

  3. Soldier's Shadow June 18, 2013 at 10:19 am -      #3

    “Who is the better serial killer?”

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    Dexter managed to toll up a body count closing in on the low 100s as of the current season without being caught despite several individuals learning his identity along the way. (Doakes, Trinity, LaGuerta, his sister, just about every main villain). His method is inconspicuous and his cover as a single father and blood spatter analyst provide a perfect cover that allows him to pick and choose his victims as they appear.

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    Lecter’s kill count is lower than Dexter’s as far as been shown but his method of dismemberment and cannibalization are certainly more gruesome than his counterpart’s here. As a psychologist prior to incarceration, it allowed him a cover that made it unlikely that he would be involved in any sort of vicious crimes. That along with his great intellect made ensured a very long career for him…

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    In terms of victims, Dexter wins out and I would also hand him the win in being able to escape capture/discovery longer. Lecter’s spree has lasted long, well across 40 years or so, but much of it was in a less sophisticated era of criminal detection whereas Dexter’s been at for about half of his life while hiding within the system. Lecter however is certainly a more brutal individual.

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    If they came into contact with one another for a fight, its a tough one. Dexter’s more of an ambush oriented predator but he has held his own with a gang sponsored serial killer as well as an ex-US Ranger (while handcuffed, in the water, and with a gunshot in the leg). I’d have to side with Dex here only due to my lack of knowledge on Lecter’s combat prowess.

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    I love Dexter, the character and series, and I’m a growing fan of the Hannibal Lecter so I hope this match gets some attention by others.

  4. Mardonious June 18, 2013 at 11:13 am -      #4

    I feel like Lecter might have the upper hand, just because he seems to always be three steps ahead of everyone, where as Dexter has a tenancy to freak out when something goes wrong, like in season 2 when his body collection was found.
    Also i think Lecter could manipulate Dexter with mind tricks, as Dexter is a bit naive about people using him, like in season 3 with Miguel Prado, and even though Dexter eventually dealt with that situation, I do not think Lecter would give Dexter the opportunity to for the hunt once he realizes Dexter is onto him.

  5. PwNaGE TraiN June 18, 2013 at 12:43 pm -      #5

    H…Han…Hannibal Lector….fuck this i’m outta here. The movie version scares me, Anthony Hopkins and that hissing no thank you.

  6. Soldier's Shadow June 18, 2013 at 4:02 pm -      #6

    “Also i think Lecter could manipulate Dexter with mind tricks, as Dexter is a bit naive about people using him, like in season 3 with Miguel Prado, and even though Dexter eventually dealt with that situation, I do not think Lecter would give Dexter the opportunity to for the hunt once he realizes Dexter is onto him.”

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    Were this a prep time styled fight, Lecter would definitely win due to Dexter’s fragile mental state.

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    However, there is no indication of any prep being involved so we’d have to assume its an up close fight unless the OP says anything to specify otherwise.

  7. Potatochip June 18, 2013 at 6:35 pm -      #7

    After thinking of this, I don’t see a scenario where Lecter comes out of this alive. Dexter is the superior killer, better fighter, and better detective. The only advantage Lecter really has is that Dexter has his code and Lecter doesn’t. Still, even if Lecter got the jump on Dexter, I see Dexter coming out on top, since Lecter prefers to physically overpower his victims or use blades, meaning Dexter has the opportunity to leverage his superior fighting skill. As someone else already said, Dexter beat a former Navy Seal who had him at gun point while handcuffed in combat, Lecter doesn’t really stand a chance. Lecter would certainly mess with his mind, and might eat his sister, but he doesn’t stand a chance going after Dexter himself.

  8. OberHerr June 18, 2013 at 8:47 pm -      #8

    “After thinking of this, I don’t see a scenario where Lecter comes out of this alive. Dexter is the superior killer, better fighter, and better detective. The only advantage Lecter really has is that Dexter has his code and Lecter doesn’t. Still, even if Lecter got the jump on Dexter, I see Dexter coming out on top, since Lecter prefers to physically overpower his victims or use blades, meaning Dexter has the opportunity to leverage his superior fighting skill. As someone else already said, Dexter beat a former Navy Seal who had him at gun point while handcuffed in combat, Lecter doesn’t really stand a chance. Lecter would certainly mess with his mind, and might eat his sister, but he doesn’t stand a chance going after Dexter himself.”
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    Well, can we have some examples of his skill? Beating an ex-Navy SEAL doesn’t = expert fighter. Can I get a video?
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    And could someone find some feats for Lector?
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    Plus, this match doesn’t neccsarily even have to do with an actual fight. Lecter would probably just lay a trap for Dexter, seeing as he is pretty good at finding out if someone is hunting him, and kill him then.

  9. Masonicon June 18, 2013 at 9:18 pm -      #9

    As a Conspiracy Theorist, there’s people out there that uses Hannibal Lecter-style mind-rape to converts me into another Sheeple

    and how about using this Flanderized version of Hannibal Lecter: he’s fully consumed by extreme hunger for People and Animal flesh to the point that he likes depopulating continents whilst leaving trails after trails of half-eaten bodies?

  10. Soldier's Shadow June 18, 2013 at 9:50 pm -      #10

    “Well, can we have some examples of his skill? Beating an ex-Navy SEAL doesn’t = expert fighter. Can I get a video?”

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    www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BJ2TLphg1A

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    “Plus, this match doesn’t neccsarily even have to do with an actual fight. ”

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    It seems to suggest there is prep involved but it doesn’t seem to imply how much to really give either an edge. However, in a prep scenario, I’d give the win to Lecter as well. Direct confrontation, I’d be inclined to give the win to Dexter.

  11. Nomad June 18, 2013 at 11:38 pm -      #11

    I’m hoping Dexter wins, I love that wacky serial killer.

  12. Vinland June 19, 2013 at 3:27 am -      #12

    Going with lecter on this, he is extremely intelligent and will sniff out Dexter before he [Dexter] is aware of it. (based on the fact that Lecter can figure out pretty much anything about a person just with a few observations, be it scent, voice, slight changes in skin color (a tan), etc)

    + that Ex-Navy seal was a tool in dexter, if you have a serial killer in your ironsights, shoot to kill. You don’t want to mess with crazy

  13. Fallstar In The Shell June 19, 2013 at 7:38 am -      #13

    Better serial killer
    Body count goes to dexter
    Style goes to Hannibal
    In a confrontation
    Physical goes to dexter unless this is Hannibal from rising then in might be more even
    If dexter try’s to get close to Hannibal like he did with trinity
    Hannibal would get in his head and seriously mess him up.

  14. Mardonious June 19, 2013 at 9:52 am -      #14

    I dont think Lecter would let it get to a direct confrontation, as Dexter has always gotten close to the main villains of a season, and Lecter would take him out if he considered Dexter a threat. Though the question is would Lecter see Dexter more in the way he saw Clarice (from Silence of the Lambs), where he messes with her, but he as some sort of wierd attraction to her, or in the way he saw Will Graham in Red Dragon where he wants to destroy him

  15. Obyron June 19, 2013 at 10:30 am -      #15

    ^It’d probably be one, followed by the other. With Clarice, he only let her know enough to capture the killer she was after. Any time she tried to use that knowledge, or her own extensive knowledge of him, he was always at least a step ahead. So at first, Hannibal might encounter Dexter at the crime scene, they might talk a bit about the mentality of the killer, but as they’re talking, they’re both feeling each other out. What puts this in Hannibal’s favor is his experience and sheer intelligence. Dexter might indeed figure out Hannibal’s true nature, but Hannibal WOULD figure Dexter out, possibly in their first meeting. And Hannibal would play along, out of sheer curiosity, to see just how knowledgeable Dex is. But the second he thinks that Dexter is getting close? *POOF* Lecter is gone, and Dexter is either left wondering where he went, or is set up to get HIS nature revealed to those around him.

  16. Soldier's Shadow June 19, 2013 at 12:07 pm -      #16

    “+ that Ex-Navy seal was a tool in dexter, if you have a serial killer in your ironsights, shoot to kill. You don’t want to mess with crazy”

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    Except Doakes was looking to reclaim his status within Miami Metro and going rogue against a rogue vigilante serial killer would not have done that hence why he was trying to take Dexter in alive. Policy is to only shoot unless in danger of real harm.

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    Doakes was also an Army Ranger, not Navy SEAL.

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    “I dont think Lecter would let it get to a direct confrontation, as Dexter has always gotten close to the main villains of a season”

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    Dexter does not get close to his villains as a part of his modus operandi.

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    Ice Truck Killer? Dexter had no idea who he was until the ending of the season, it was Rudy who was getting close to Dexter to get him to join him.

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    Lila was not a killer until she killed Doakes, framed his friend for rape, and tried to kill his girlfriend’s kids and him. All within the last three or so episodes of the season, the rest of it just dating a neurotic.

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    Miguel Prado was his friend until he went rogue from Dexter’s code, and Dexter wasn’t concerned with the Skinner until late in the game.

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    Dexter got close to Trinity because he sought to learn from him. He was going to kill him one way or another.

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    Jordan Chase he got close to to determine whether or not he was part of the rapists he was looking to help Lumen get revenge on.

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    He never got close to Travis Marshall, and LaGuerta wasn’t of any concern until she started getting too close to figuring him out.

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    “Though the question is would Lecter see Dexter more in the way he saw Clarice (from Silence of the Lambs), where he messes with her, but he as some sort of wierd attraction to her, or in the way he saw Will Graham in Red Dragon where he wants to destroy him”

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    I doubt it would be like either. He may be fascinated by Dexter once he realizes what he is and then want to kill him. Certainly wouldn’t be like Will Graham as that was a personal vendetta.

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    Looking over the scenario, I still think Lecter would win in the long run but if Dexter decides to make quick work of him, he can take the win here. Lecter’s experience and intellect would certainly win out over Dexter’s fragile mentality so it’d have to be as short as possible for Dex to win here.

  17. Vinland June 19, 2013 at 1:28 pm -      #17

    “Except Doakes was looking to reclaim his status within Miami Metro and going rogue against a rogue vigilante serial killer would not have done that hence why he was trying to take Dexter in alive. Policy is to only shoot unless in danger of real harm. ”
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    I seem to recall that during feb 2013, the LA PD unloading 100 shots into a blue pickup containing two hispanic women while they were looking for a single African American male.
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    If he just shot and killed dexter right away, the first thing that would happen to him would be hero status, papers would read “Tool kills Bay butcher” the Miami Metro would have to take him back or weather the shit storm of media assault.

  18. Soldier's Shadow June 19, 2013 at 6:18 pm -      #18

    “I seem to recall that during feb 2013, the LA PD unloading 100 shots into a blue pickup containing two hispanic women while they were looking for a single African American male.”

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    Which was not justified because it was a false misinterpretation that resulted in the shooting. It only resulted in Dorner running about a few days longer, two wounded women and a lawsuit.

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    “If he just shot and killed dexter right away, the first thing that would happen to him would be hero status, papers would read “Tool kills Bay butcher” the Miami Metro would have to take him back or weather the shit storm of media assault.”

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    Except it doesn’t work that way in real life or seemingly on Dexter. Take the killer of Jeffrey Dahmer for example. Dahmer was a serial killer and another inmate beat him to death only to get two more life sentences for murder. Death penalty gets the same flack for killing anyone.

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    In Dexter the public had mixed sentiments regarding the Bay Harbor Butcher since they thought he was only killing criminals and other people of that ilk. The fact Miami Metro and the FBI thought Doakes was the Butcher, he illegally broke into Dexter’s home to steal his slides, he had a bad history with Dexter already and the fact he’d have killed him would just all make him look bad still. Too many aggravating factors.

  19. Potatochip June 19, 2013 at 7:42 pm -      #19

    Navy Seal, Army Ranger, not a huge difference in my eyes. He had elite military training is the point. He’s “beaten” Doakes on two separate occasions too.
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    Dexter also killed another serial killer, a former Nicaraguan Captain who earned the nickname “The Blade” during his time in the military, who was armed with a knife while Dexter’s hand was broken. Dexter knows advanced Brazilian jiujitsu and knows how to best incapacitate a target from his repeated killings. He’s been able to escape very shitty situations before, doing what he needs to do.
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    Lecter definitely wins on the mind games front, but eventually if you’re going to try to kill someone, you have to make a move, and even with prep Lecter doesn’t have a strong chance of coming out on top. Dexter is just too damn skilled in hand to hand combat.

  20. OberHerr June 19, 2013 at 7:56 pm -      #20

    “Lecter definitely wins on the mind games front, but eventually if you’re going to try to kill someone, you have to make a move, and even with prep Lecter doesn’t have a strong chance of coming out on top. Dexter is just too damn skilled in hand to hand combat.”
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    Except Lector likely wouldn’t ever let it become a confrontation. Heck, he would probably just get the cops after Dexter. Or just get the jump on him.

  21. Soldier's Shadow June 19, 2013 at 8:04 pm -      #21

    “Heck, he would probably just get the cops after Dexter.”

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    How would he be able to pull this off in your view?

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    Also, which Lecter are we going for? Classic from Manhunter/SotL, Rising, or the one we see on NBC’s Hannibal?

  22. OberHerr June 19, 2013 at 8:07 pm -      #22

    “How would he be able to pull this off in your view? ”
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    Anonymous tips. Plus, if there is one thing we can all agreed on, its that Lecter is good at manipulating people.

  23. Aelfinn June 19, 2013 at 8:09 pm -      #23

    The OP seems to indicate that the two don’t immediately face off against each other, which gives the advantage to Lecter. Lecter is damn smart, and he fights as such. Remember the scene in Silence of the Lambs where he defeats two seemingly physically superior guards at the same time? It’s because he used the whole room, multiple tools, and a well-thought-out plan to his advantage. Not necessarily saying he automatically wins a fight because of this, but Hannibal isn’t just knowledge-smart, he’s fighting-smart. Considering how easily he figured out Buffalo Bill, it makes sense that he’d figure out Dexter before Dexter figured out him.
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    If it comes down to it, Hannibal could just shoot Dexter in the back before Dexter suspects something.

  24. Masonicon June 19, 2013 at 11:52 pm -      #24

    Original Hannibal Lecter helps law enforcers to catch people that many of them are more evil than Hannibal Lecter himself with his smarts

  25. Obyron June 21, 2013 at 9:45 am -      #25

    If he didn’t do it through direct action or police intervention, Lecter could always manipulate things to cause Dexter to self-destruct, like he did to Will Graham. Either through direct interaction with Dex, or through manipulation of the people close to him.

  26. ImJustHereForTehRecap June 21, 2013 at 12:19 pm -      #26

    Once Dexter gets on your trail you can’t shake him, unless he sees your innocence (like Brother Sam in season 6). Dex will follow Hannibal around until he has the proof. Dex will lock pick into his house or office while Hannibal is not around to look for the evidence to put him on Dexter’s table. Then as a typical Dexter plot works out, he sets up the kill room, and lures Hannibal in and adds one more slide to the collection.

  27. Vinland June 21, 2013 at 2:59 pm -      #27

    “Except it doesn’t work that way in real life or seemingly on Dexter. Take the killer of Jeffrey Dahmer for example. Dahmer was a serial killer and another inmate beat him to death only to get two more life sentences for murder. Death penalty gets the same flack for killing anyone. ”
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    Daokes confronts Dexter on the pier and sees the rotten arm in the bag, Doakes shoots and kill dexter. Doakes calls the cops they arrive at the sceen, Doakes gives them his account of what happened, he felt threatened so he opened fire. They process the sceen to find Dexters finger prints on the Bag. Since no one on that show can tell the difference between their rear and a hole in the ground its an open and shut case.
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    As for the Doakes being the prime suspect … they find the blood slides in his car… something that could be stolen, broken into, towed away. So a serial killer who has killed 100s of people and has been so careful to cover his own steps leaves it in a place that would be first place to be searched following TV cop drama Logic? Not only that he can act normally around everyone working with the Miami metro and never “lost it” when he was in the military, but is easily provoked by Dexter, the only person he is uncomfortable around. Yup Doakes is your prime suspect.

  28. Vinland June 21, 2013 at 3:05 pm -      #28

    Doakes*, Kills, Not only that,
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    Sorry for the double post but they need to allows us to edit our posts.
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    Anyways back to main topic, Lecter is also very strong, being able to hoist a guy up and crucify him to the prison bars is no easy task one man task. Lecter pretty much has full control of his body and can push it to limits, this is taken from when he wears the face mask of the other cop and is able to simiulate convulsions and heart problems as the EMTs try to “save” him.

  29. Soldier's Shadow June 21, 2013 at 10:31 pm -      #29

    “Daokes confronts Dexter on the pier and sees the rotten arm in the bag, Doakes shoots and kill dexter. Doakes calls the cops they arrive at the sceen, Doakes gives them his account of what happened, he felt threatened so he opened fire. ”

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    The only time he could have legally opened fire was when he was wrestling with Dexter which is exactly when he did. Bullet didn’t kill, they fell in the water, Dexter beat his ass.

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    “They process the sceen to find Dexters finger prints on the Bag.”

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    Doesn’t matter if he just randomly shot him against protocol. Were that the case, Dexter would never have to hide from the law.

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    “Since no one on that show can tell the difference between their rear and a hole in the ground its an open and shut case.”

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    Assumption.

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    “Yup Doakes is your prime suspect.”

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    If you paid attention to the show, you wouldn’t have missed when Lundy and the others brought Dexter before the blood slides and concluded that Sgt. Doakes was the Bay Harbor Butcher after Dexter framed him and his status as such was the same until the seventh season when LaGuerta reopened the case.

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    So, check mate.

  30. Grim Aran June 21, 2013 at 11:28 pm -      #30

    I saw Dexter having trouble fighting a cop ( the bald black guy, whoever he is ) and I saw Hannibal curbstomp 2 prison guards in a few seconds. Plus Lecter is vastly smarter, so I’m voting for the cannibal.

  31. Soldier's Shadow June 21, 2013 at 11:36 pm -      #31

    “I saw Dexter having trouble fighting a cop ( the bald black guy, whoever he is )”

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    Dexter was handcuffed and shot in the leg while said cop was ex U.S Special Forces.

  32. Grim Aran June 21, 2013 at 11:49 pm -      #32

    So I forgot some details lol, it happens. Still, that cop didn’t seem like he was an expert fighter to me ( though that might just be me forgetting those details too ). I’m still voting Lecter if only because I really don’t like Dexter.

  33. Vinland June 22, 2013 at 1:18 am -      #33

    “The only time he could have legally opened fire was when he was wrestling with Dexter which is exactly when he did. Bullet didn’t kill, they fell in the water, Dexter beat his ass.”
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    Doesn’t the entire show of Dexter take place in Florida? a place with a stand your ground law which basically states, you don’t have to back down (no matter where you are) if you feel threatened by a person(a person carry two bags full of body parts you can plainly see is pretty dam threatening) you may defend yourself and deadly force is justifed and then it would be Doakes word vs dead Dexter’s.

  34. Grim Aran June 22, 2013 at 1:23 am -      #34

    Legal or not I’d have popped that mofo in the head right then and there, blunt pragmatism FTW.

  35. Soldier's Shadow June 22, 2013 at 11:10 am -      #35

    Doakes still wanted to take Dexter in to prove that he was the Bay Harbor Butcher and clear his name of that infamy. He could not have staged a “stand your ground” defense by just blatantly shooting him as that would have exceeded proportion, but he could have pulled that off when Dexter had actually attacked him and that is when he shot but it failed to hit anywhere fatal.

  36. Grim Aran June 22, 2013 at 1:18 pm -      #36

    What kind of special forces misses from a couple meters away ?

  37. The Geek Lord June 22, 2013 at 3:07 pm -      #37

    I’m assuming this is Hopkins Hannibal and not Mikkelsen?
    I have to watch TSoTL again, but Mikkelsen Hannibal has shown some impressive H2H capability. Reference the episode “Fromage,” I believe that’s the episode with the fight.
    He displays a precise knowledge of the vulnerable areas of the body.
    Also he was a surgeon, so he’s bound to know where to hit you if he wants to hurt you.

  38. Vinland June 23, 2013 at 12:01 am -      #38

    “He could not have staged a “stand your ground” defense by just blatantly shooting him as that would have exceeded proportion”
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    When Dexter dropped the bags of choped up body parts one of them tore open and the rotten parts were in plain view, seeing that is more than enough for human being to feel threatened by said individual, thus allowing Doakes to draw his weapon and shoot to kill legally.

  39. luchagoort June 24, 2013 at 9:18 am -      #39

    @Vinland
    I think the point you’re missing here is that everyone was convinced Doakes was a serial killer and Dexter nothing more then a nerdy lab guy. Even if Doakes shot Dexter it would most likely be seen as Doakes trying to frame Dexter for the murders (keep in mind, they had “Doakes” bloodslides, tools, motives etc.).

  40. Rachael Joan Wilde September 18, 2013 at 12:44 am -      #40

    I honestly enjoy both of these characters complexities (as do many of you)

    but here is my take on this scenario many of you are saying the kill count is a huge factor- which I agree it is
    but I don’t think there is an exact estimate of how many people Hannibal has killed we just know that he started killing at a very young age (just like dexter)
    within both characters given life times they have been killing.. for dexter his kill count can be seen as a more approximate count because he has a code and he keeps trophies…
    Hannibal however does not have a code he has completely embraced his life style and does not set a limit or code.. he eats his trophies… I guess- this presents a problem because we cannot have a definite value of how many meals this man has.
    knowing this I don’t think we can cast judgement on who would win based solely on this reasoning

    as far as fighting capabilities is concerned
    Dexter does have helpful knowledge in this but he doesn’t depend on it solely
    he mostly depends on his victims being completely unaware and then he sedates them he doesn’t fight them unless he absolutely needs to.
    I mean I think he expresses at some point how he hates hunting jocks because they can react quickly.

    Hannibal I honestly don’t know if he has training in any fighting style- I do know that he is a product of his time- (Eastern Front of World War II collapsed, and
    Lithuania (where he is from) suffered great devastation during the German retreat from
    Russia.)
    I am assuming since he is more cultured than Dexter is (since he moves around all the time) it wouldn’t entirely be implausible for him to pick up fighting skills and other means of torture. Since Hannibal’s roots was entirely based on survival during a War- I can only see that as a strength and extra grittiness
    compared to Dexter and his foster father going on “hunting trips”

    Both characters also successfully come up with a means to apply a job to their chosen lifestyle

    Dexter uses what he already knows being a serial killer and how blood splatters, how the average killer mind works- and uses that as a means for a job.

    Hannibal rather learns all he can about how the human mind works, (in all shapes and sizes) and becomes a psychiatrist. He applies psychology (which he does not view as a science) into everything he does and he knows how to twist and rot your mind against itself till you reach insanity.

    We never get as much of a glimpse into the mind of Hannibal as we do Dexter…
    Dexter does have a very fragile mind and it shows time and time again- I think dexter has an Idea of how serial killers minds work and he may be able to hold off Hannibal’s crafty mind numbing tricks for a bit… but honestly just with what Ive seen- the moments he completely loses it …Rita’s death…. he does have a huge struggle that I think Hannibal would be able to sniff out and twist eventually.

    As I said before what makes Dexter dangerous is his stalking capabilities..
    what makes Hannibal Lector dangerous is ability to anticipate and be 3 steps ahead of the game- and his ability to react to a situation he did not anticipate and almost always come out on top.
    I don’t know how many episodes Dexter may have planned everything out but something will always go wrong and he will just scrape by with escaping.

    I think the main thing to consider is Dexter has people that are important to him and he has a code he has things he can lose his mind, his loved ones, everything…

    Hannibal has nothing to lose this makes him so much more dangerous than all the other serial killers Dexter has ever come up against..
    I mean think about all the serial killers Dexter faces off…they all have little flaws.. little tiny mistakes
    that Dexter can find or pick apart on his kill table
    Hannibal has a lack of these flaws he makes it a point not to make mistakes (mostly I believe comes from experience) and If Dexter tried to push Hannibal over the edge emotionally to make a mistake- he honestly would not be able to..

    I really thought long and hard about this.. there are so many other points I left out.. But I honestly think Hannibal would make a meal out of Dexter.. or he would completely push him off the edge of sanity and let Dexter live for his own personal entertainment.

  41. Kytheros October 19, 2013 at 6:39 am -      #41

    I recently located and read the Dexter novels that the TV series is based on. If we allow the Dexter novels, or use a composite between the novels and the TV series, Dexter’s Dark Passenger is way more awesome than it ever is in the TV series.
    The TV series, while inspired by the novels has a bunch of differences. For example, LaGuerta? An idiot and dead in first book. Dexter’s brother Brian? Alive and kicking, though not around for several books, though he did come back, and he was never in a relationship with Deborah. Deb’s love life? The opposite of how it was in the TV series – same guy for most of the series until he freaks out because he thinks he ‘failed her’ and left because he didn’t want to see her disappointment with him, she even has a son by him. Dexter’s kid with Rita? Adorable little girl-child named Lily Anne.
    Doakes? Not dead, though he did get mutilated by a torturer and returned to duty, and he sticks around for a while, although he ultimately ruins his career trying to go after Dexter (for crimes that Dexter didn’t even commit).
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    In the novels, the Dark Passenger gets more fleshed out as an entity(and the history of Dark Passenger and its metaphysical kin) and effectively gives Dexter a form of ESP that has a great deal of utility here. In addition, in the novels, somebody did play mind games with Dexter – and Dexter’s Dark Passenger – and the responsible parties knew about Dexter (and Dark Passenger) in advance, and knew more about the history of the Dark Passenger’s kind, and the core group all had Dark Passengers of their own – and had way more knowledge of Dark Passenger-kind and their powers/abilities, being recipients/current heirs of a 3-thousand year legacy of Dark Passenger-kind, including perhaps the original Dark Passenger-type entity. They also had way better leverage than Hannibal would have in the form of Astor and Cody.
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    As far as metrics of serial-killer success goes, in the novels Astor and Cody have their own Dark Passengers from when their biodad was abusing Rita, before she divorced him and got him locked up, and Dexter is training and tutoring them in the Harry Code, although Brian (Dexter’s brother) occasionally has his own input on their training when he returns to the area. In book 7, Astor makes her first human kill (she uses a knife), although the police do get called, it’s because her victim was a pedophile who had just murdered Rita, and needs to get the blame for another murder (that he committed anyways) for which Dexter was prime suspect.
    Also, Dexter is rather good with and uses a gun on a semi-regular basis, although generally not for his serial-killing activities.

  42. Kytheros October 19, 2013 at 6:50 am -      #42

    Goddamit. Wasn’t done yet.
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    Anyways, point is, Dexter’s being underrated here, especially if we’re allowing the Dexter novels.
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    Also, for the match, Dexter’s got no one he needs to be concerned about Lecter going after, and he doesn’t need to worry about side targets. His only objective is to track down and then kill Lecter.
    As far as the identification goes, in the novels, and to lesser extent in the TV series, Dexter has a knack for IDing killers and getting inside their heads. Additionally, in the novels, the Dark Passenger entity alerts Dexter to other killers (at least, those with a Dark Passenger type entity, whether the bearer is aware of its presence or not) with a kind of sight recognition.
    As far as killing Lecter, while Dexter prefers going through the whole ritual process, he has no inherent objection to killing without the ritual if circumstances require it, and will do so without batting an eye, though he’ll likely regret (later) the missed potential opportunity.

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