Published on June 17, 2013, by admin - Posted in Group Combat 119
Suggested by Striker
Spectacular scenario here.
Hawkman, Cyborg, Green Arrow, Booster Gold, Knightwing & Starfire
Archangel, Winter Soldier, Black Panther, Elektra, The Thing & Human Torch
How would this match transpire? And which team would win?
I find it weird that as soon as I see words Cloud City and CTF together, I think of collapsing the whole battleground into the gas giant as a tactic…
So, Hawkman, Booster GOld, Cyborg, and Starfire vs The Thiung and Human Torch.-
Everyone else is a non-factor
Starfire probably stomps them all into the ground while someone runs the flag, the only person who could give her difficulty, is Johnny, but I don’t think he will pose too much of a problem.
In short, unless Johnny is faster than Starfire by a good margin, team two is boned.
Why is Marvel stuck with the most normals? Bucky, T’Challa and Elektra are just going to weigh them down.
“Why is Marvel stuck with the most normals? Bucky, T’Challa and Elektra are just going to weigh them down.”
Yeah, it hardly seems fair, Green Arrow could probably take all of them
Anyways, I am unfamiliar with DC, but Booster Gold doesn’t have FTL flight right?
Also, is this pre or post N52? Or some amalgamation of both? It matters because Pre-N52 Starfire is FTL, but I don’t think Post-N52 is yet.
New 52 Starfire will be too busy fucking everyone in a 20 mile radius to bother with capturing flags.
I don’t think anyone here has the ability to get past Booster’s shields, so once he grabs a flag, he is home free.
I have never seen Booster move anywhere close to FTL speeds. That said I think the issue might have been not really knowing who they were picking on the DC side.
ew link fail
Cyborg opens up a Boom Tube and sends everyone on team Marvel to Apokolips.
Wow way to try and screw over Marvel….the Thing, The King of the Dead and Human Torch plus a couple of Assassins though badass assassins.
And their fighting a guy with future tech, a Kryptonian knock off with attitude, her human ex (who’s no threat to anyone below King of the Dead maybe not even Archangel), Hawkeye in green, a loon with wings strapped on his back (or is current Hawkman actually an alien now I can’t keep track of whether they are or not) and a very cheap Iron Man but powerful nonetheless.
Somebody was trying to be spiteful. But you made one mistake, you put a man who can out Prep the goddamn Batman in a city full of advanced technology. The guy threw together a weapon to steal Silver Surfer’s powers once, and with some crap from a home depot made a bunch of weaponry capable of taking down metahumans.
Plus now he has the stacked strength and powers in general of every Black Panther who has ever lived plus their memories and experience, granted we don’t know the full extent of his strength but he can bash Green Arrows Skull in with one hand and Nightwings with the other.
Couldn’t Booster Gold just travel back in time, and kill each one of them as soon as the match starts?
isn’t there a rule saying no going back past the start of the match.
Yeah, but he can just travel back to when it first starts, and break Johnny’s neck before he can flame up, and handle the rest.
-Of course, I am not even sure Booster can still time travel. As I said, I don’t keep up with him. I know at one time he could time travel, and being a time traveller is his whole backstory, but I don’t know if he can still do it, or maybe he needs Skeets.
“Wow way to try and screw over Marvel….the Thing, The King of the Dead and Human Torch plus a couple of Assassins though badass assassins.”
“Somebody was trying to be spiteful. But you…”
This is modern Factpile, mate, where forethought is in the negatives when it comes to matches these days. Could be spite, could not be spite, just saying that its just the typical idiocy that’s been bogging the site down these days more than ever when it comes to matches.
“and a very cheap Iron Man but powerful nonetheless.”
Anyway, cool to see some newer characters, but aside from Torch, no one on Team Marvel seem to bring anything significant to the table when it comes to Booster Gold.
I don’t think these matches are intentionally spiteful… sometimes I think they’re just lack of information rather than hate.
I don’t know comics as well as I should, but even I can see an imbalance here. Team 1 has two really powerful contenders (Starfire, Booster) to one for Team 2 (human torch). I don’t know the majority of the others, but all PIS and CIS aside any of those three should be able to rip up the rest with a massive speed advantage. Correct me if i’m wrong on any of their capabilities:
Starfire is a somewhat invulnerable super-strong fast-flying energy blast producing hero – sorta like superman without all the awesome and with cleavage.
Booster travelled back in time, has 31st century technology which gives him flight, force-field projection, (teleportation?), and other assorted capabilities.
The Human Torch has fire powers: flight, fire blasts of varying size, etc. These powers are used to exponentially better effect than most others with pyrokinesis.
Some people mentioned the thing and cyborg, but aren’t they a bit too slow to keep up with the aforementioned three? Also, they pretty neatly cancel one another out, right?
So, on this basis, I say team DC wins.
I heavily disagree with the assessment given to the marvel team, this is capture the flag not a deathmatch. In a tight closed in area with large amount of crawl space I think that out of both teams winter soldier and black panther are the best for CTF. I means no one on team DC match them for stealth except maybe green arrow and nightwing, both of which I think are far inferior to either winter soldier or black panther.
flight will almost be negligable in this scenario except for in the upper part of cloud city and I’m very sure none of them have teleportation.
nightwing is spelled wrong
to be honest I think that elektra, black panther, and winter soldier solo this themselves especially if cloud city is actually populated because then any body heat sensing that booster, cyborg, or starfire have is nullified since there are millions of other people are walking around.
black panther is like the batman of marvel in case you aren’t familiar, except he is better in my opinion (<- this is my opinion). he essentially have the abilities of captain america (he is slightly above peak human), he is within the top 8 most intelligent men on the planet (this has been mentioned multiple times) and he also has a massive arsenal of technologically advanced weapons and magical relics.
he’s like the good guy equivalent of Victor Von Doom, he is smart, has a lot of high tech stuff, rules his own country, fucks bitches etc…
“New 52 Starfire will be too busy fucking everyone in a 20 mile radius to bother with capturing flags.”
She’s got Roy now. She doesn’t seem to bother much with that.
“I’m very sure none of them have teleportation.”
Cyborg does, more importantly he can also teleport himself and his teammate if needed.
Additonally cyborg white noise cannon can vaporize and has a bit of range to it
He has a freeze ray(though most of that wave was probably done by firestorm and Zatanna)
Cyborg should also be able to manipulate the electronics of the city(like cameras, computers, defesnes the city has, doors, maybe pull up a map) and use any of the computers there.
is this match new 52?
not sure which feats to post.
Forgot cyborg can also fly
transforms to create a floating platform
No your right flying won’t do much except Starfire can breathe in space…, and is a class 100+ character. I’m sure she could punch her way through to where the flag is from the outside.
Hawkman isn’t in Flashpoint yet so that means he’s still reincarnated guy with Nth metal gear. His flight would be all but worthless though, same with Archangel’s. Can Johnny operate in space at all? I know back in the day oxygen deprivation had been a weakness for his powers, not sure about current though.
the issue is there’s no one on team 2 that can really stop Starfire or Booster Gold from getting the flag. Everyone in this match aside from them are street level heroes, those two are too fast and too durable for anyone save maybe Torch from slowing them down.
It’s like that CTF match with Superman in it (can’t think of who all else was) no one on the other team can reasonably do shit from stopping his stealing the flag, and if he chooses to defend there is nothing they can do to steal the flag.
Sure I can argue Panther’s ability to throw together some kind of weapon or something but I don’t know what it takes to get through Booster Golds shields, or to put Starfire down period, the chick is basically Supergirl with more firepower…..and more libido
“is this match new 52?”
Current incarnation unless post suggester says otherwise.
“Hawkman isn’t in Flashpoint yet so that means he’s still reincarnated guy with Nth metal gear.”
Hawlmans been flashpointed like every other major hero. Like deathstroke, he was not handled well in the middle part of his series.
Still got the Nth metal though.
Ah I stand corrected then, I’ve honestly been steering clear of N52.
I am happy to see that three of the original Teen Titans are in this match though.
touche, yes they really couldn’t do anything to stop them unless black panther could pull some bullshit out of his ass, and cyborg would be able to hack into the city, so that would make it pretty difficult for team Marvel. I guess i’ll concede my point then but if the DC team was given just slightly less OP people I think team marvel would stomp.
Torch needs oxygen, although his plasma form is just that, no body, so if nothing else Green Arrow and Nightwing can’t really do shit to slow him down, but he’s not as fast as Starfire anyway so even if she could FTL vs Supersonic….(assuming she’s FTL) well he’s not going to be able to stop her is the point, average human strength, and as far as I know even his nova heat won’t affect her, so pushing the city somewhere she’ll have an edge is perfectly logical.
also Archangel is back to normal body and wings…..or are we specifically using his Horseman of the Apocalypse incarnation?
“to be honest I think that elektra, black panther, and winter soldier solo this themselves especially if cloud city is actually populated because then any body heat sensing that booster, cyborg, or starfire have is nullified since there are millions of other people are walking around.”
Cyborg should be able to tap into the security systems of the city(camera, sensor,whathaveyou).
Other then that he’s got a few sensors.
Scans GL(shows xray)
Scans down to the nanite level
Scanning other creatures
“also Archangel is back to normal body and wings….”
Yeah, he back. But I think his wings were still able to act as weapons. If I recall his fight with hawkeye right.
“(assuming she’s FTL)”
I’m not sure she is. Otherwise she probably wouldn’t have been surprised by Supes catching up with them so quickly when they teleported to earth.
honestly, I don’t know which of the two would hack the city first I imagine it being both controlling 50% and dueling over the other half in an epic hacker duel.
Course….is Cyborg EMP proof? Cause Winter Soldier’s arm has an EMP generator in it….could potentially get close and shut Cyborg down…potentially anyway. Black Panther’s stronger than both Nightwing and Green Arrow but won’t beat Cyborg in a head to head fight I don’t think….unless he can fashion some kind of….cybernetic shutdown gizmo thing….
Also I didn’t know this…..Elektra can do a mind swap….I don’t know if there are limits to it but…..she could potentially….steal Starfire’s body…
well not sure how accurate it is but according to the DC wiki she currently can’t fly unaided in space….so maybe she can’t go FTL currently…unless that’s changed. Still the Thing is the only one with a chance in hell of holding his own in close quarters combat and even then it’s basically Supergirl vs Hulk light she has the same basic edges Superman had over Hulk and she could easily use them to get past him or eliminate him..but it would still leave Booster Gold free reign, dudes forcefield took a blow from Doomsday…..he may only lift 20 tons but no one’s putting him down without a massive attack.
yup angel still has the metal
okay, well if nothing else he can handle the two street level guys and that gives him an edge over Hawkman, does he still have the making energy weapons with energy projection?
Wasn’t Cloud City in Bespin’s life zone anyways? So breathing wouldn’t be a problem.
I’m not sure I’ll double check, I think there could have been some sort of artificial atmosphere field kind of thing.
“okay, well if nothing else he can handle the two street level guys and that gives him an edge over Hawkman, does he still have the making energy weapons with energy projection?”
Not from what I remember. Just the sharp wings. As for Hawkman I haven’t been reading up on him but iirc he got like super strength and shapeshifting adamantium expy going for him.
Might as well put some stuff of the other
vs war hawks
i thought he had a flame aura around his body not his body becoming plasma itself?
normally he does but he can doe a full plasma thing
Iceman can also become fully ice or be water vapor so it’s not that weird.
Everything I’m finding say’s he’s a man with some fancy metal gloves boots and mace and fake feather wings strapped on his back
guess I’ll bring some stuff for the Marvel guys. Might as well.
speed, agility, accuracy
Black Panther has the ebon blade that can I quote (from marvel civil war) “cut anything” he cuts one of tonys suits in have with ease, but for the likes of starfire, I don’t think he is even fast enough to cut her possibly booster though that put a no limits fallacy on that weapon so I’m not sure if it could cut through a force field.
“Everything I’m finding say’s he’s a man with some fancy metal gloves boots and mace and fake feather wings strapped on his back”
Currently he’ seems superhuman and the nth metal is like a metal symbiote.
creates armor, forms different weapons, heals, also automatically protects
and again with a guy in full armor
swing a flying vehicle
not to downplay him but….enhanced strength….from what I can tell he’s in the same “enhanced” tier as Captain America. Can rip a car door off but isnt’ going to be trading blows with Thing.
Also….Anti-metal claws….Panther has those and is at least as strong as Hawkman if not stronger (he’s actual superhuman now) Panther could likely get through the armor if Archangel can’t
using wings as a weapon
hmm perhaps I underestimated him then.
also just so it’s backed, experience of every, Panther, who has ever lived. And all their powers stacked on top of his.
just saying but….in ten minutes while in Hells Kitchen with no Wakandan Resources Panther was able to make a gadget to shut down Typhoid Mary’s psionic powers…..
could potentially do the opposite and make something to amplify Electra’s mind swap thing….or make a gadget to dampen team DC’s powers…
“not to downplay him but….enhanced strength….from what I can tell he’s in the same “enhanced” tier as Captain America.”
Yeah kind of noticed that when looking through the feats. Thought I think there are a few scan of him going close quaters with atlateans who are actually super strong. just give me a sec, in the mean time; Starfire being so hot she melts a gun via skin contact
some more showing of making power taker away..ers (granted it’s for the X-Gene in the scan in question but still)…and some fighting, again, here he has 1. No Herb powers or King of the Dead Powers, he’s brought down to badass here, just a man in a panther themed outfit, basically Batman but black and without a cape. 2. No Vibranium suit. 3. these scans also show what Panther can do with crap from a Hardware store….he has at least a few minutes to throw something together here with advanced Star Wars tech….don’t know what he can throw together but still.
gotta admit for using scraps from a New York hardware store that’s pretty impressive stuff.
Here it is.
Atlanteans rip off metal doors
and lift shipping containers
not sure if this will prove useful or not but fighting a Skrull (a super one with various hero fighting styles mastered including Panther’s own) notices the opponents tells and figures out how to take advantage of it.
Booster Gold takes on Blue Beetle
Nth Metal got a huge upgrade then damn.
Seriously it’s like the freaking Witchblade now
I think he is around the 4th smartest person in the world, he is below reed richards, and the mad thinker. but I think he’s on par with doctor doom. I mean he’s honestly the batman if not better as I said :/
Superhuman monster can break through buildings
smashes HM through trees
Takes a head to hit
nightwings new 52 suit is bullet proof
dodges machine gun fire
takes down a room full of cops dodges bullets in the process
After getting beat down by that monster and his wing ripped off he climbs out of a well with on a guantlet spike, passes out then gives in
not sure if good showing for BG or low showing for BB cause physically Booster is a 20 tonner, maybe 10 or so more if he pushes it due to his suit….if I recall BB is around the same tier as Iron Man easily lifting 100 tons or more.
For the record I’m more talking BB not overpowering him than the blows not killing Booster, I know his forcefield is powerful.
question is….will it hold up to Black Panther’s anti metal claws….
granted it is extremely awesome.
Probably….though with Peter Parker dead there’s room to move up, Reed’s stated a couple of times that Pete was at least as smart as himself….and poor Ant Man…everyone we’ve listed is way above the poor guy. And yeah, he’s at least as good as Batman….he had a contingency plan for fucking Galactus…that actually worked (granted on Silver Surfer but…..IT worked)
full combat mode continued
Bulletproof in this fight…..honestly the only one bullets would bother is Green Arrow, and Nightwings head if Winter Soldier gets him lined up with his Sniper Rifle…..and in a cqc battle he doesn’t want to be fighting Black Panther….and well I suggested WS vs Nightwing before I think….but anyway not sure between them who would win.
Witchblade is arguably a planetary threat. (I don’t personally believe so) So, Nth isn’t there yet.
“not sure if good showing for BG or low showing for BB cause physically Booster is a 20 tonner, maybe 10 or so more if he pushes it due to his suit….if I recall BB is around the same tier as Iron Man easily lifting 100 tons or more.”
Not sure on boosters strength, haven’t read JLI but it seems to me in that scenario he’s enhancing his blows with energy or something.
I think that to be honest all of reeds contingency plans for galactus are such bs, in one he gets the ultimate nullifier and in ultimate he shoots part of a big bang at the galactus swarm, I don’t know which one is more OP
well BP’s was just Step 1. Steal power cosmic with device. Step 2. Put power cosmic in own body. Step 3. Pwnage.
just know what I’ve read while researching the guys in this fight trying to see if maybe just maybe it can come out for the Marvel team. I doubt it but I can’t not try.
some more from when Black Panther was running around as just a guy in a bulletproof non vibranium suit. Gets hit in the head with a glass bottle and proceeds to kill the guys. Also possibly dodging sniper rounds not sure.
“Bulletproof in this fight…..honestly the only one bullets would bother is Green Arrow, and Nightwings head if Winter Soldier gets him lined up with his Sniper Rifle…..and in a cqc battle he doesn’t want to be fighting Black Panther….and well I suggested WS vs Nightwing before I think….but anyway not sure between them who would win.”
idk i think if nothing else nightwing could at least keep panther busy. hes handled enhanced characters before
btw I know this sounds like a buzzkill but, dodging bullets doesn’t make you super human necessarily. batman does it all the time, it just means you have good reflexes and a great anticipatory reaction.
not sure how useful it will be but Panther now has forcefields
confirmation that yes he’s invisible there by word of god
but he hasn’t handled enhanced Batman with metal melting claws kinetic energy eating armor and the will to kill. Which is basically what Black Panther is. Black Panther vs Nightwing is basically Superhuman Batman plus better gear vs Nightwing.
“btw I know this sounds like a buzzkill but, dodging bullets doesn’t make you super human necessarily. batman does it all the time, it just means you have good reflexes and a great anticipatory reaction.”
the term peak human can sometimes be translated to “fuck real life!”
explanation on antimetal claws and them in action
for the record if I remember correctly….this is something that can actually cut the ever annoyingly indestructible Adamantium….food for thought…Invisible teleporting Black Panther is basically Cyborgs worst nightmare maybe.
“peak human can sometimes be translated to “fuck real life!” ”
this is true with these two comic companies….
“but he hasn’t handled enhanced Batman with metal melting claws kinetic energy eating armor and the will to kill. Which is basically what Black Panther is. Black Panther vs Nightwing is basically Superhuman Batman plus better gear vs Nightwing.”
true he hasn’t handled that but he has handled
and does panthers vibranium suit keep him safe from electricity?
yes, yes it does…
according to the respect thread at least this shows the armor not conducting electricity
“this is true with these two comic companies….”
comics fuck yeah!
can summon more Vibranium?
this should speak for the suits overall durability
Energy Dagger can disable and cut through force fields….could prove useful.
and can allow him to track people
These Black Panther feats are all well and good, but noone is seriously supporting team Marvel right?
I meant in regards to it’s reaction to threats against the wearer itself, and the ability to form weaponry, that was never a characteristic of Nth metal before.
That was the only comparisons I was giving, I know full and well it’s not the level of the Witchblade.
I’m going to bring feats to the forefront, never know….might find something to tip the scales.
plus, looking for a scan talking about it or showing it but….Elektra can do a body swap with people….could tip the scales.
Elektra has a sonic scream chi technique similar to Black Cannary’s scream….could prove useful.
mind rape and control…..did not know she could do that….
Green Arrow, Winter Soldier and Elektra are probably going to die via imperials
Nightwing too then he’s no more armored or trained than Arrow and Winter Soldier. Elektra just mindrapes the Imperials into focusing only on team 1.
Elektra also has telepathy, could be extremely useful here for coordinating team 2….
More for Black Panther’s energy dagger,
was able to deaden the nerve’s in a Superskrull with Mr. Fantastics powers arms, threatened to do it to the whole body
could come in useful for the weaker members at the least.
and it can do extreme spread shot
in the narrow corridors could prove a devastating combination.
Imperials on Cloud City? Why?
Though, the Fel Empire did control Bespin didn’t it? Did it have any Imperial Knights on it?
What era Bespin is this?
I’m just assuming he doesn’t know the EU and assumes this is movie Cloud City thus controlled by the Empire.
so I just rolled with it.
Still….the mind control thing is useful….I don’t know if anyone on team one really has a counter….I’m not going to assume Starfire would be easy to control though.
Nevermind, Krayt controlled Bespin, and I doubt there would BE ANY sITH ON IT.
“comics fuck yeah!”
Of the few things I dislike about comic , peak humans taking on creatures like Hulk and superman h2h is just stupid. Even if bats was hopped up on venom thats still stupid.
“Invisible teleporting Black Panther is basically Cyborgs worst nightmare maybe.”
As awesome as a black guy superhero teleporter fight would be I think Panthers had something to do with him still being in wakanda. He was trying to jump back home but he said something was wrong in the area(it was during the incursion event).
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