Mandalorian Strike Team Vs Predator Hunting Party

Mandalorian Strike Team Vs Predator Hunting Party

Suggested by Shadow-Knight

A Mandalorian strike team (Star Wars) is dispatched to a small colony on the outer rim to investigate the disappearance of its settlers. They arrive at the colony to find it is in ruins and the settlers are all dead, missing their heads or skinned, little do they know that a small group of Predators were hunting on the planet. As the Mandos are busy the Predators sabotage their ships stranding them on the planet. One of the Predators miss calculates his distance from one of the star ships and as one of the Mandalorians fires up the engines ship explodes killing both the Mando and the Pred, now the Mandalorians are alert to the danger and both sides are regrouping before battle.

Both sides number four, and the battle takes place in the ruins of the colony that is surrounded by a dense jungle.

The Mandolorians are equip with:
4 Wrist flame throwers
4 Wrist rockets ( 10 per mando)
4 Full beskar’gam(armor of mando iron)
2 jetpacks with rockers (1 per pack)
2 concussion grenade launchers (15 grenades each)
1 Tenloss DXR-6 disruptor rifle
3 EE-3 carbine rifles

The Predators are equip with:
4 wrist blades (one gauntlet per pred)
4 wrist bombs (one per pred)
2 Shurikens
4 Plasma Casters
2 Whips
4 Cloaking Devices
4 Bio-Masks
4 sets of Body Armor
4 spears
2 Net Launchers
2 smart disks
12 Proximity Mines(4 per pred)

All helmet systems for both teams are allowed, days can pass during the match so night fights can happen. Both sides get an hours prep before the battle begins.

Will the Mandalorians get some shiny new weapons to add to their arsenal or are the Predators going to get some extra skulls to add to their trophy case?

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106 Comments on "Mandalorian Strike Team Vs Predator Hunting Party"

  1. The definition of insanity June 14, 2013 at 7:56 am -      #1

    Hmmm i dont know about this one

    ADMIN FOR THE FP AWARD

  2. Skarbrand June 14, 2013 at 7:57 am -      #2

    Well fairly certain Mando’s have superior weapons (at least with the DXR), although the Pred’s cloaking could be an issue here as well as being physically superior overall

    Congrats on getting a match, Shadow-Knight, you are now a true piler

  3. ZomBat June 14, 2013 at 8:14 am -      #3

    The Mandos have pretty shit ass standard gear compared to what the Predators ar getting, but the Beskar means the preds can’t really harm the Mandos.

  4. SgCombine June 14, 2013 at 8:50 am -      #4

    Finally an awesome match! I think the Preds have an advantage with all the prox mines, but I vaguely remember something about Mando helms detecting explosives. Could they detect the Preds prox mines?

  5. Commander Cross June 14, 2013 at 8:54 am -      #5

    @Shadow-Knight

    You are at least on your way to the route of the True Piler if nothing else.

    @ZomB

    If Mando Iron is concussion-proof, IBs on the Mandos for now until further clarification on the Preds and their sides’ ranks are displayed.

    @TdoI at #1

    Fair enough.

  6. Skarbrand June 14, 2013 at 8:58 am -      #6

    “Beskar means the preds can’t really harm the Mandos.”

    They could still harm the mandos, just not penetrate their armor. Since durability of an armor doesn’t mean the wearer can’t be harmed, when his durability is considerably lower than the armor

    “I vaguely remember something about Mando helms detecting explosives”

    I heard something about some kind of stealth detectors on Boba vs Pred, but that’s just hearsay so take that for what it’s worth

  7. TheBoss June 14, 2013 at 9:31 am -      #7

    “Congrats on getting a match, snip, you are now a true piler”
    _
    Fuck you >.>
    _
    I’ll go with the Mandalorians.

  8. ZomBat June 14, 2013 at 9:51 am -      #8

    As much as I like the Yautja, their only chance is wrist bombs, and proximity mines. Neither of which they are likely to use due to their honor.

  9. Rorschach June 14, 2013 at 10:34 am -      #9

    The Predators are awesome and all, but the Mandalorians and their armor is what’s keeping me from giving them the win.

    “Neither of which they are likely to use due to their honor.”

    I think they’d either hunt each Mandalorian individually or work together to hunt them all. From the battle scenario given, it seems more like they’d work together to hunt them all down. If things got bad, they would use anything at their disposal.

  10. ZomBat June 14, 2013 at 10:36 am -      #10

    “I think they’d either hunt each Mandalorian individually or work together to hunt them all. From the battle scenario given, it seems more like they’d work together to hunt them all down. If things got bad, they would use anything at their disposal.”

    Things would get too bad too fast. By the time they realized their weapons couldn’t get through the Mando’s armor, they’d already be at least one man down.

  11. Ford Prefect (the Hoopy Frood) June 14, 2013 at 10:38 am -      #11

    What the good ZomB said. I thought that the mando helmets were advanced enough to prevent the predators from getting the drop on them (with 360 degree vision and various light spectrums)

    Question-
    This may or may not matter, but are the predators blooded warriors, youngbloods or elders. This could make a big difference as the youngbloods can be more impulsive but they would be more likely to use the “less honorable” bombs and weapons that the more traditional/honor bound elders (who are more experienced and capable)

  12. Rorschach June 14, 2013 at 10:40 am -      #12

    “Things would get too bad too fast. By the time they realized their weapons couldn’t get through the Mando’s armor, they’d already be at least one man down.”

    That’s what’s keeping me from giving them the win so easily. They’ll still try to keep some sense of honor in this battle, which I think will be their downfall.

  13. jackn8r June 14, 2013 at 11:11 am -      #13

    Beskar+360 degree vision range.

    I’ll side with the Mandos for now.

  14. Nomad June 14, 2013 at 11:48 am -      #14

    Awesome scenario.

  15. ZomBat June 14, 2013 at 12:01 pm -      #15

    “I thought that the mando helmets were advanced enough to prevent the predators from getting the drop on them (with 360 degree vision and various light spectrums)”

    Yes, they should be able to prevent a Predator getting a stealth kill like they are so used to.


    “This could make a big difference as the youngbloods can be more impulsive but they would be more likely to use the “less honorable” bombs and weapons that the more traditional/honor bound elders (who are more experienced and capable)”

    That does seem to make a difference actually, though, I think Youngbloods would have a slight advantage here over other Yautja, I still think the Mandos take it though.


    Still, this is a good match, and one I was looking forward to.

  16. Sauroposeidon June 14, 2013 at 12:30 pm -      #16

    The mandos have no way to see these guys, and very little protection against them, combined that we’re apparently going with evil as shit predators that have no sense of honor if they killed every single man, woman, and child. So they won’t be fighting with any sense of honor like usual. Their best hope is that these predators are using low grade plasma cannons and not the big fuck-you guns that the more experienced predators get.

    Predators seem to pick a weapon and specialize in it. The younger ones we see in Predator 1 and 2 liked their cannon and combi-stick respectively. The one in AvP was a smart disk specialist, and the one in AvPR clearly was a fan of traps.. although all pedators seem to enjoy using a myriad of tools depending on the situation.

    Mandalorians use light or medium armor usually,providing poor coverage, and their iron is not exactly something I would want to put up against whatever the fuck it is that Predators use that let them cut through armored vehicles like tinfoil.

    The team in Predator 1 was packing about as much fire power as these Mandos, complete with a minigun and someone out right trying to tell them how these things worked and they still died almost to the last man. Against one unblooded predator. The most elite mercenaries for hire were swept away like storm troopers in AvP by predators ready to be blooded.

    These things have hundreds of years hunting experience at the very least.. and if the dinosaur skull was anything to go by, millions of years at most.

    The predators I’m pretty sure have the superior armor. They have the superior weapons. They have more experience.

    And honestly.. if they just wiped out a WHOLE COLONY of mandos.. why would just four more be of any difference?

    I’m also surprised at the Predators trying to disable the mando ship.. why didn’t they just shoot it with their ship?

  17. Namer June 14, 2013 at 12:44 pm -      #17

    Wouldn’t the younger ones be more likely to charge in head-on once they realise their stealth and traps aren’t working, while the older ones (Yautja?) would persevere ? My knowledge of Alien and Predator is minimal.

  18. Sauroposeidon June 14, 2013 at 2:12 pm -      #19

    It depends on their style.. but every time we’ve seen predators fight in groups, they seem to be of around the same skill level, so presumably age as well. If it is a younger one it might make a stupid mistake. Most unblooded predators seem to die a grizzly death. They are not naturally predisposed towards bad assery, only the bad asses get to live. Many die before their blooding. Most die during their blooding. If these are blooded predators then the Mandos are pretty much fucked.

    If these are younger predators, the Mandos have a better chance. Their cloaking devices are clearly no where near as good. Even your bog standard predator elite is visible to the IR spectrum, although we saw in Predators that there are even better, virtually perfect cloaking devices which cannot be seen in the IR spectrum. Their plasma cannons are progressively weaker, the younger the Predator is. They have to earn the right for better gear, which they can then use to take on more dangerous prey or use in a societal role (like Wolf being an infestation exterminator in AvPR).

    The Predators are probably of equal social rank as the mandos are.. so if these are elite mandalorian commandos then these are probably some seriously dangerous Predators. If they’re bog standard protectors or whatever.. they’re still in a lot of danger but they have a chance. Although in canon, no human has ever defeated a blooded predator Elite.

  19. Commander Cross June 14, 2013 at 2:18 pm -      #20

    In Inglish?

  20. Sauroposeidon June 14, 2013 at 2:26 pm -      #21

    Also.. one of my comments with no links in it is awaiting moderation.. why?

  21. itcheyness June 14, 2013 at 2:30 pm -      #22

    “Also.. one of my comments with no links in it is awaiting moderation.. why?”

    Did you use the forbidden P word again?

  22. Sauroposeidon June 14, 2013 at 2:32 pm -      #23

    No. I avoid the P word now.. I can’t find anything in it that should have triggered the spam filter.

  23. Commander Cross June 14, 2013 at 2:35 pm -      #24

    I’ll take it as blahblahblah on #18, cut to the chase and assume the following:

    If the party’s yet to get its first skull ever, its the Mandos’ fight to lose, if the party’s gotten their few skulls collected so far the it gets interesting.

  24. itcheyness June 14, 2013 at 2:59 pm -      #25

    “No. I avoid the P word now.. I can’t find anything in it that should have triggered the spam filter.”

    Weird…

    I need to ask, does the spam filter ever actually catch spam?

  25. Sauroposeidon June 14, 2013 at 3:06 pm -      #26

    @ Cross

    Yes. Pretty much.

    @itcheyess

    I’ve never seen spam.. so I’m assuming it does indeed catch spam.

  26. Commander Cross June 14, 2013 at 3:09 pm -      #27

    Main reason why the Mandos don’t auto-lose* for sure is due to how durable Mandalorian Iron would be, right?
    If we’re talking about if the Party got their first few skulls ever that is but aren’t Elder levels yet.

    1.) (Despite no specified era of incarnations)

  27. itcheyness June 14, 2013 at 3:09 pm -      #28

    “I’ve never seen spam.. so I’m assuming it does indeed catch spam.”

    With that logic I’ve got a tiger repelling rock to sell you…

  28. Sauroposeidon June 14, 2013 at 3:27 pm -      #29

    I’ve already bought one. But thanks.

    The Beskar will provide no protection depending on the scale of the weapons present. The newbie-gun we see in the first predator would have problems.The most powerful ones explode people, launch adult xenomorphs, and cause a huge plasma splash. They’d have to be covered in full plate male, with mado iron chainmail, with woven mando iron metal fiber underclothes.. and then we’d have to assume that it actually could stop the plasma. The strongest plasma cannon we’ve seen was used by an older predator and he shot the ever loving fuck out of his own ship trying to kill the predalien, DESTROYING IT AND CAUSING IT TO FALL TO EARTH. A ship class that can take on a USCMC military vessel. Considering the superior nature of Predator metals to anything we have in reality, I’d think that’s fairly impressive. There’s really no way for a Mando to survive a direct hit from the big splashy guns, near as I can tell.

  29. ZomBat June 14, 2013 at 4:44 pm -      #30

    Thank you Sauro, I was afraid you or Midnite wouldn’t show up, and I would have to support the Yautja. I do hate to go against my beloved Star Wars, but AvP is a franchise I will do it for.-
    That said, I thought the AvP movies were made non-canon? (Kinda the assumption my argument was based off of really. That exploding spaceship armor scene is beyond anything I have on Beskar at the top of my head.)

  30. Shadow-Knight June 14, 2013 at 4:49 pm -      #31

    First: I want to thank the Admin for posting my idea.

    second: This is my first time creating a match so if any tip can be given in making better ones later let me know.

    Third: I tried to balance the teams as much as possible. I figured the Mandalorians had a slight range advantage with blasters that have a higher fire rate than the Plasma caster; however the Predators took the ‘hand 2 hand’ advantage due to their superior strength and bladed weapons.

    I love both groups, they are my favorite from their respective universes, and I figured putting them together would be a good idea for a match.

    P.s. Just remember, both groups are hunters in one way or another so both groups will strategize like hunters.

  31. Sauroposeidon June 14, 2013 at 4:58 pm -      #32

    The movies and video games are canon. The comics and novels are sorta EUish.. with the books which explicitly call them Yautja being probably lowest canon.. since they just slaughter their way through innocent people and act dishonorably amongst each other on a fairly regular basis.

    As a side note, I have no idea where Prometheus fits in with AvP canon. The AvP series is canon unto itself, but not canon to aliens, but obviously aliens is canon to Predator. The books differ heavily from the games and it just gets confusing as all fuck. Essentially I go like this…

    ALL movies

    Games

    Print

    Anything that is contradicted by a higher tier I think either needs to be explained as an outlier, an unusual circumstance, or retconned away. Like Predators only living hundreds of years in the AvP novels, but having DINOSAUR TROPHIES in the movies.. which are based on the games, not the books.. although the games are based on the books and.. fuck it. I hate dealing with canon shit.This is worse than starwars.

  32. Shadow-Knight June 14, 2013 at 5:20 pm -      #33

    @Sauroposeidon
    ” I have no idea where Prometheus fits in with AvP canon”

    I had herd something a long time ago about how the space jockeys (Alien,Prometheus) created the Aliens as bio weapons, basically drop a ship full of eggs on to an enemy planet and watch the chaos, and some where along the line the Predators (all Predator movies) hijacked a Space Jockey ship and first encountered the Aliens as cargo.

    If what I heard was true that is how they are connected and if not then it’s my best guess.

  33. PwNaGE TraiN June 14, 2013 at 6:21 pm -      #34

    Well unfortunately for the Predators, I don’t think that their cloaking will give them any advantage in this fight, for the Mando’s helmets may be even more advanced doing what the Predator’s can do and more like tracking enemies on a battlefield. I think it all comes down to if the Predators can pierce the Mando’s armor.

  34. Ford Prefect (the Hoopy Frood) June 14, 2013 at 6:47 pm -      #35

    @Shadow-Knight
    An interesting way they could fit the universes together:
    The space jockeys/engineers use the eggs/black liquid as a bio-weapon to take over a good section of the galaxy, until they encounter the predator’s pre hunter civilization. Both the advanced races go to war until little is left of the engineers and the predator society has been reduced to a tribalistic system. The Yautja once focused on hunting and destroying any remnant of the engineers (including xenos and humans) but since then their society has grown to focus on the sport of the hunt.

    …or some such stupid bs :P

  35. Sauroposeidon June 14, 2013 at 7:31 pm -      #36

    I think the Jockeys are probably a “First Ones” race, much older than Predators. Although Prometheus seems to be trying to pretend that the Jockeys started life on earth because Ridley Scott has lost his mother fucking mind and decided to become as fucking retards as Spielberg and Lucas.. but, I digress. I’m not going to bother asking why an oxygen breathing thing is on earth to begin with, or why his DNA started life that somehow lead to a bazillion other things before making a race with his DNA or.. ugh..

    Prometheus doesn’t exist as far as I’m concerned. There was literally nothing right about that movie. It was the scribblings of deranged minds given free reign with no checking to make sure that their movie wasn’t basically one long weird acid trip of bad writing. It might actually be worse than the 1998 Godzilla movie. It’s THAT bad. It seems Aliens is doomed to not have a good movie in the franchise since.. well.. Aliens.

    Whatever the case, we never see anything Jockey related concerning the Predators, and all evidence points to the Predators thinking that the Aliens have a home world.. which is probably just the remnants of whatever planet the Jockeys used the Xenomorphs on a billion years ago or whatever. The Galaxy is a big place, we have no reason to believe that the Predators have ever found a Jockey world. or at least have ever found one and survived the tell the tale. If they did they might notice that Jockey biomechanical tech looks and has the same exact properties like the xenomorphs.. or they may just assume the Jockeys based their technology around the xenomorphs. It wouldn’t be a stretch since they themselves base their culture around them.. but then they also cant even SEE xenomorphs with out their masks, so Aliens are probably several orders of magnitude more frightening to Predators than they are to us.

    Also.. for what basis do we accept that the Mandos can see through their cloak? Cloak does exist in Star Wars, and it lets shit get past sensors just fine. Not even the wide spectrum of ranges that the Predator masks let them see in allows them to see other Predators with a good enough cloak.

  36. Kitten Lord June 14, 2013 at 7:35 pm -      #37

    There was a “pred-tech” mode if I recall in one of the games that allows you to see predators when their cloaked?

    I don’t know much concerning Mandalorians outside of the actual movies but ill lean towards the Predators for now. As well armoured as the Mandalorians are Predators even when alone are pretty beastly.

  37. Sauroposeidon June 14, 2013 at 7:38 pm -      #38

    Lower grade Bio Masks can’t hide a Predator from the IR spectrum, Kitten. Better versions of the masks exist which do. Which is why I’m unconvinced that the Mandos can even see the Predators unless these are bog standard Predators or even young unblooded ones.

  38. Shadow-Knight June 14, 2013 at 7:48 pm -      #39

    This is some information I was able to dig-up on the mandalorian helmet systems

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    “the helmet served as the control center for most of the suit’s abilities. A rangefinder attached to the armored helmet was a common upgrade and could track up to thirty targets, while a battle computer inside the helmet allowed the wearer to control the suit’s weapons, sensors, and jet pack through verbal commands. The dark macrobinocular viewplate offered a variety of vision modes, including infrared. A pineal eye sensor on the helmet combined with an internal overlay display to provide tracking information within a 360-degree radius. Motion sensors, an encrypted internal comlink, and a broad-band antenna completed the helmet’s devices, all of which could be linked to the wearer’s weapons or their personal starship. The helmet could also act as an environmental filter system, with a two hour reserve tank providing breathable air to the Mandalorian warrior”

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    Hope that helps.

  39. Ford Prefect (the Hoopy Frood) June 14, 2013 at 8:12 pm -      #40

    @Sauro
    I wish the Alien purists who only support alien/aliens/prometheus would come to an agreement with AvP fans. Honestly I like the lore to the original AvP novels/comics more than aliens or predator alone and would love to see a quality AvP film made set within the Aliens universe.

    Back to the debate, now that I think of if, I think the preds win, but not without casualties.

  40. ReDruM June 14, 2013 at 8:34 pm -      #41

    I’m going to support the Predators for now. Armor or no armor the concussive damage that the shoulder cannons output is undeniable and the Predators would absolutely dominate in hand to hand combat. They also keep to the high ground and move swiftly through the trees making double digit feet leeps in a single bound.

    “I think it all comes down to if the Predators can pierce the Mando’s armor.”

    The armor does not need to be pierced to kill the wearer even if the Predators can’t get through. The Predator’s can drop down from the trees/buildings, snatch a Mando up by the leg, and proceed to slam him against something hard and unyielding until the contents of his armor is tomato soup. Or just beat him to death with his bare hands.

  41. GuardianAngel1911 Super Sayian god June 14, 2013 at 8:35 pm -      #42

    damn, cool match. Sorry I’m late to the party went to see Man of Steel, spent the day with my girlfriend, but back here now, thinking of writing and sending in a review of Man of Steel but nothing set in stone yet.

    Anyway…..From the looks of this only edge the Preds really have is the explosives. Enough explosives will nullify the usefulness of Mandalorian Iron armor but on the other hand the plasma casters and close quarters weapons will likely be found mostly useless. Considering the armor can resist being cut by a lightsaber I doubt a Combi Stick or the wrist blades will be getting through.

    My first major question….what type of rockets are available for their wrist rocket launchers because there were two primary types homing and dumb, there are other more exotic types but since this is supposed to be standard I’m guessing it has to be one of the two I mentioned.
    On the one hand it might not make a difference with cloaking but on the other hand lasers like it’s targeting laser would still be reflected/refracted by the cloak, could be a useful way to help keep track of the Preds just saying. Not the best way but it’s there, it might be of use, might.

    Next, I just want to be sure but these are buck standard Blooded Predators correct? Since around 45% of the main hunter population is Blooded that seems like it would be the standard (no other class has a larger population) so that seems like it would be the makeup of this hunting group, possibly one Elite but not likely.

    Next issue is armor to armor, where the Mando’s are covered pretty much all over other than joints in most cases….Predators have more vulnerable points. Should they get into an uncloaked engagement….which they likely will since it is against their code to kill while cloaked (if they are hunting the Mando’s otherwise it might be fair game to go for it). Should they attack uncloaked though they have plenty of points for blaster fire to tear through easily, considering the lower abdomen is uncovered, as well as parts of the arms and legs as I recall. Things the Mando’s can take advantage of. Especially….

    Whoever has the Disruptor, which disintegrates matter at the molecular level and rips apart living material with ease and speed, this thing so much as grazes a Pred and their probably fucked. One thing I want to ask is does the Disruptor have the optional scope in this match or merely the iron sights?

    On to Mando’s vs cloaking…..in some cases like Boba Fett the helmets aside from the 360 view were equipped with radar. Would the cloaking still hide them from radar? I know it’s not heat vision or infrared but it’s something. I’m not sure if the Radar is standard on Mando helmets though. I know it was part of the heads up display systems though so it’s possible.

  42. GuardianAngel1911 Super Sayian god June 14, 2013 at 8:52 pm -      #43

    @ReDruM
    not to downplay the Predators but Mandalorians aren’t exactly going to just let a Predator beat them, unless your suggesting they are too brain dead to use their deadly close quarters flame throwers on the Predators.

  43. Onlinemph June 14, 2013 at 8:53 pm -      #44

    What kind of, “Body Armor,” are the Preds using? In the book, Flesh and Blood, the Preds had full body armor that was immune to lasers and bullets, and this was just for a normal hunt.

  44. Commander Cross June 14, 2013 at 9:03 pm -      #45

    Well regardless of what eras or levels of ranks on both sides we’re talking about, if both sides are wearing Indestructium*, it gets intriguing immediately.

    1.) (A name of an Indestructible Material, coined by Tvtropes.org)

  45. GuardianAngel1911 Super Sayian god June 14, 2013 at 9:09 pm -      #46

    @Onlinemph
    nothing I’ve ever seen has had them using any full body armor, I could be wrong of course I’m going mainly off of what I know.

  46. Onlinemph June 14, 2013 at 9:15 pm -      #47

    @GuardianAngel1911

    I have only seen this armor in this one book. But the Preds will occasionally wear military armor, which is practically indestructible.

  47. ReDruM June 14, 2013 at 9:16 pm -      #48

    “not to downplay the Predators but Mandalorians aren’t exactly going to just let a Predator beat them, unless your suggesting they are too brain dead to use their deadly close quarters flame throwers on the Predators.”

    I said they could ambush them from high places and once they’re within about 20ft of a Mando its over since they can leap the rest of the way. And there’s no way a Mando can defeat a Yautja in hand to hand combat. Simple as that. And if that’s not enough they have a netgun, smart discs, and other weapons with which to knock a Mando down. Thus I’m still going with the predators.

  48. Shadow-Knight June 14, 2013 at 9:50 pm -      #49

    Ok…the Mandalorians will use MM9 mini concussion rocket, which utilized computer target tracking, Type-12A anti-personnel rockets, and Type-12B stun rockets.

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    Standard blooded Predators are what I was going for in this match, for them it was a standard hunt, the Mandalorians were unexpected on this hunt.

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    For the Predator armor I think standard armor is what the majority are wearing( the Predator military armor mentioned by ‘Onlinemph’ Intrigues me so lets let one Predator use it)

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    the Tenloss DXR-6 disruptor rifle has scope.

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    on a side note will it make the match better if I limited the Predators cloaking abilities and allowed them to use it in 10 minute intervals ( if no body likes this last part it can be ignored)

  49. Masonicon June 14, 2013 at 9:55 pm -      #50

    how about Non-human members of Mandalorians?

  50. Shadow-Knight June 14, 2013 at 10:03 pm -      #51

    It is true that not every Mandalorian is human, hell I think their has even been a Wookie Mandalorian at one point in time; however, to keep this simple all Mandalorians in THIS match are human.

  51. PrimusxPilus June 14, 2013 at 10:21 pm -      #52

    ” Congrats on getting a match, Shadow-Knight, you are now a true piler”

    Guess i’m not a true piler then.

    Going with the dredlocked team. They fight crazy shit and as red pointed out can definitively handle the mandos

  52. Shadow-Knight June 14, 2013 at 10:55 pm -      #53

    I feel that many people under estimate the Mandalorians, it is true that the Predators are fierce and deadly warriors, but let’s not forget that Mandalorians are basically the “Space Marines” of Star wars. Like the Predators, the Mandalorians fight with a code of honor and are extremely cunning.

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    Back on topic, in the OP I gave jet packs to a couple of the Mandalorians in hopes of trying to counter the Predators maneuverability on the ground. Do the jet packs help in any way or was it a bad idea.

  53. Sauroposeidon June 14, 2013 at 11:15 pm -      #54

    These preds slaughtered a whole colony for shits and giggles. They aren’t fighting with honor. They’re fighting just for the sake of killing. There’s no honor. Only death.

  54. Ford Prefect (the Hoopy Frood) June 14, 2013 at 11:46 pm -      #55

    @Sorrow
    Ooh, maybe another scenario with Bad Blood predators using tamed xenos…

  55. Shadow-Knight June 15, 2013 at 12:16 am -      #56

    I cant help but laugh… I mean do yall know how cool it is to watch a match you created, and honestly never thought it would be posted, grow as the post count gets longer, I just wanted to thank you all for doing what yall do.

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    Now that I got that out of the way,
    @Sauroposeidon
    I know the Predators they are fighting now have no honer, I was just trying to make a point about how the Mandalorians have a code that they will follow.
    o, and again, thank you for your comments.

  56. Skarbrand June 15, 2013 at 12:32 am -      #57

    “Guess i’m not a true piler then.”

    Well you’re a regular anyways so, yeah

  57. Draco June 15, 2013 at 12:47 am -      #58

    @shadow
    I know what your feeling bro, when I got my first match on here it reached a booming 500 comments and I was proud of myself XD

    Then all the comments on it disappeared… :(


    Anyways, I think the mando’s will be able to pull a win, the preds don’t have a ton of impact weapons. Mostly bladed weapons and a couple bombs.

    Though the shruikens could probably get a good kill if it hit juuuust right.

  58. TopaztheSpaz June 15, 2013 at 1:02 am -      #59

    My first match didn’t get that far, but I feel that it’s because the two fighters were too closely matched to determine a definite winner.

  59. Commander Cross June 15, 2013 at 1:48 am -      #60

    @Topaz at #58

    At least your first fight was somewhat worthwhile.
    I’m the guy who remembered debuting on 300 vs Mortal Kombat like it was just like yesterday.
    *Can’t be sure if those are meant to be fond memories or the words of a masochist confessing what went wrong*
    Needless to say we all know how that fight went.

  60. Shadow-Knight June 15, 2013 at 2:42 am -      #61

    @Draco

    “Anyways, I think the mando’s will be able to pull a win, the preds don’t have a ton of impact weapons. Mostly bladed weapons and a couple bombs.”

    —-

    I think the Mando’s may win as well but I’m hoping for a long and bloody battle.

    “Though the shruikens could probably get a good kill if it hit juuuust right.”

    Yea, the main points the Predators will be aiming for with the shruikens and smart disks will be the un-armored joints such as the neck, where as the main weak spot of your standard Predator armor is the abdomen area.

  61. Shadow-Knight June 15, 2013 at 2:55 am -      #62

    Where and when they engage each other will affect the battle to some degree……like if they battle in the jungle at night the Predators will have the edge; however, if they engage in the colony during the day the Mandalorians have a greater chance of victory.

    —-

    Also different tech on both sides will force the groups to adapt on the fly. If I’m wrong correct me but to my knowledge the Mandalorians have never encountered the constricting razor net of the Predators before, nor have the Predators faced opponents that utilize Jet Packs.

  62. mack006 June 15, 2013 at 3:11 am -      #63

    @topazspaz
    Cheer up sir/miss, everyone’s first match is messed up. My first match was the elite zealot vs jedi knight. I also felt that those who fighters were evenly matched until I was proven wrong.

    Don’t give up on suggesting more matches Topaz, maybe one day you will create an awesome match that will get us all debating like mad! :)

  63. mack006 June 15, 2013 at 3:14 am -      #64

    WAIT SHADOW KNIGHT SUGGESTED THIS MATCH?
    Dear lord! The message at the top does not go to Topaz then but instead to Shadow Knight :(

    I MUST READ THE POSTS MORE BEFORE I TYPE SOME SHIT DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!! 8(

  64. GuardianAngel1911 Super Sayian god June 15, 2013 at 10:20 am -      #65

    @ReDruM
    meant in the direct attack not ambush.
    And I think Mando’s have what might be called peak human strength but not sure if they really do. And need to check something on their gauntlets I think they have some with a strength enhancer like Predators sometimes use but I need to factcheck.
    Keep in mind though, the Mandalorian Wars showed that even a full Jedi Knight can struggle to win against Mandalorians.
    —————————
    “target tracking, Type-12A anti-personnel rockets, and Type-12B stun rockets.”
    Okay, thank you for the clarification on that and the other details, so with the Disruptor having a scope that gives the Mando’s a one hit kill sniper weapon…..if the Mando’s decide to turn the hunters into the hunted that could give them a way to hit from a distance.

  65. Sauroposeidon June 15, 2013 at 2:36 pm -      #66

    …Predator bladed weapons can punch through armor. Except for maybe the Shuriken, since it seems designed to bounce and ricochet.

    Also, the Mandalorians are not exactly the best fighters in SW. They had a brief moment in the sun, but were quickly put down by the Jedi and never recovered. Afterwards, they never seemed to progress much further than ARC Trooper in terms of skill. The fact that they became highly pacifistic and then even after they decided they liked guns again they focused seemingly only on defense, like Japan, doesn’t help them any with this. The mandalorians just aren’t going to have the same hardened battle experience as the predators, who could have thousands if not more years in experience hunting shit.

    So what we have is a group of fairly green in experience soldiers, in medium to light armor that does not provide full body coverage, and who’s defensive strength we can’t say with any certainty will stop predator weapons… using primarily short ranged or lock on gear against a group of enemies who will only ever engage if they have the high ground, who have far more experience than them, and just took on a whole mando colony. The Predators already have experience fighting and killing star wars soldiers in this setting. They know exactly what to do. They know exactly what to expect. They are armed with wrist blades that can punch through armored vehicles. Biomasks that let them see the Mandos in any environment, and which also cloak them from the Mandos vision. Plasma cannons which the Mandos can’t survive a hit from. Proximity mines which may actually kill the whole team if they move in a tight formation. Net launchers that the Mandos were given NO GEAR TO GET OUT OF. Spears.. which.. I don’t know if these are the combi-sticks or the gun launched spears. If gun launched then the Predators can now snipe, although I don’t know how useful that is, the weapon has been buffed from the movies to the point that it can rip a man’s head off in the games. If the combi-stick, it just further reinforces that if one drops down in the middle of the group, the WHOLE Mando group is 100% royally fucked beyond hope. The shurikens appear to be a nastier form of Smart Disc, and are in fact called Smart Discs on their own (just like how the bigger plasma guns are never called something else). Both variants are automated to a degree. Both try to hit their target and to return to the user. The shuriken style seems specifically designed to confuse and frighten the target prey. The disc style seems much more direct, and uses is propulsion device to punch through targets. I don’t have any faith in the mandos surviving a dedicated smart disc attack. They are extremely dangerous, and one of the most lethal weapons in a Predator’s armory. If one wants to kill you with one, you have pretty much no hope. There are smart disc predators that even employ more than one at a time, and if that’s the case if one drops out of the trees with two of these things whirring around him there’s no hope for whatever he wants to kill in this match. Literally who ever he wants to kill is his, and then maybe if the Mandos are lucky the guy with the disruptor will get a clean shot off on one of the discs or the Predator. Maybe. As for the whips.. well, the only Predator that I’ve ever seen use them was Wolf. He tore a xenomorph in half with one. He’s one of the strongest, best equipped, and most skilled Predators that I’ve ever seen.. and frankly, he needed about 20 minute more worth of screen time in AvP:R. That movie would have been a thousand times better if they stopped focusing on the cliche horror movie structure and just kept the focus on the Predators and Aliens.. Anyways, I don’t know if whips are only for advanced predators, or if Wolf is simply the first one we’ve seen using them, however.. If it’s the latter, everyone dies from this one Predator alone that has them. If the later, then they are still incredibly dangerous weapons which the Mandos have no defense against.

  66. Commander Cross June 15, 2013 at 2:45 pm -      #67

    This might also boil down to what Star Wars era are the Mandos hailing from, wouldn’t it?

  67. GuardianAngel1911 Super Sayian god June 15, 2013 at 2:53 pm -      #68

    @Sauro
    I have trouble believing the Pred blades are better at cutting than a lightsaber.
    They might be able to do damage if they get in the gaps but not Mandalorian Iron itself

  68. Sauroposeidon June 15, 2013 at 3:09 pm -      #69

    Pred blades don’t use heat, first of all. So this comes down to comparing the metals themselves. The nature of mando iron gives it fairly good thermal resistance. If I recall it can take a few hits from blasters, can’t it? And even a direct hit from a saber with out immediately melting. Predator blades do not use heat. They are simply relying on their superior nature as a metal to let them punch through other materials.All I can figure is they must be very sharp and the predator must be striking very hard.. combined with a superior hardness and very little brittleness because of the hardness.

    Cross, rules state most recent.. which makes the mandos pretty much on the level of what we see in the prequel movies. They never get any better than Jango’s level as far as I can tell.

  69. Shadow-Knight June 15, 2013 at 3:22 pm -      #70

    @Sauroposeidon

    Wouldn’t the most recent incarnation be from the books, I remember reading somewhere that the Mandalorians held there own against the Yuuzhan Vong. I am probably wrong but it was that caliber of Mandalorian I was thinking of when I made this match.

  70. Sauroposeidon June 15, 2013 at 4:11 pm -      #71

    The mandalorians helped against the vong, but were unable to defeat the empire with out considerable help. They are a non-presence by the time of Darth Krayt as far as I can tell. I don’t know exactly what happened to their world as I’m not that far in the comics yet, but I don’t think they even show up as far as I can tell. Their world was probably just one of the many consumed and broken in the big civil war with the Fel Empire. Any one more knowledgeable on them during this time period? It seems like the Mandos are kind of the butt monkeys of SW. They keep picking up their guns and pissing off the wrong people and getting stomped after picking on a lot of weaker worlds by an actual major force. They have an absolutely AWFUL track record.

    The vong, for the record, never struck me as impressive.

  71. Shadow-Knight June 15, 2013 at 4:20 pm -      #72

    @Sauro

    ok, like I said, I was probably wrong

  72. Commander Cross June 15, 2013 at 4:21 pm -      #73

    Post-KOTOR-TOR is probably the Mandos you’re describing.

    So we’re at an impasse in terms of fight-worthy incarnations for Side A, either we go with the noted incarnations earlier this post of mine noted or go with Shadow-Knight’s idea if I must be frank.

  73. Sauroposeidon June 15, 2013 at 4:23 pm -      #74

    Well I’m going to be on the road for 15 hours very soon. I’ll download and read the rest of the new star wars comics on my kindle. If I see anything about mandos I’ll let ya know. Otherwise the best bet is that they’re an enslaved planet again, with most of the population dead or in chains, and pocket resistance groups here and there… I can’t imagine them being happily under the yoke of the Empire. So they’re probably repeating history.

  74. Sauroposeidon June 15, 2013 at 4:25 pm -      #75

    We’re well past the 50 post mark, if a specified time period for the mandos is to be selected, we don’t get to pick Cross. That’s not how factpile works. You know this. You’ve been here WAAAY longer than me. If Shadow does not want the most current version of them used.. which would be the Mando Protectors we see during the vong period probably.. then he would need to send an E-Mail to Admin asking to have the period the mandos are from specified in the match description.

  75. Commander Cross June 15, 2013 at 4:25 pm -      #76

    If there is a later, we’ll talk more about incarnation regards there.

    Meantime for Shadow-Knight:

    You have more information to provide on the Mandos from that time frame?

  76. Ford Prefect (the Hoopy Frood) June 15, 2013 at 4:35 pm -      #77

    At least we can agree that if these were KotOR or TOR era mandos/neo crusaders the preds might have some trouble.

    @Sauro
    If I recall correctly, Boba Fett did revive the warrior tradition among the mandos, training them into warriors again, but I do agree that they probably hadn’t seen much combat.

  77. Sauroposeidon June 15, 2013 at 4:41 pm -      #78

    When I refer to the protectors, that is who I am talking about, Ford. But they didn’t seem to be interested in conquest anymore. They have a very Japanese (OH REALLY? A JAPANESE INFLUENCE IN STAR WARS? HOLY FUCKING SHIT! I AM SO SURPRISED! Sorry, couldn’t resist) mindset concerning things it seems.. but I don’t blame them. Like Japan, they have a terrible reputation for picking on EVERYONE around them until a bigger power smacks their hand… or drops a nuke on them. They’re pretty much the Japan of Star Wars, now that I think about it..

  78. Commander Cross June 15, 2013 at 4:41 pm -      #79

    At Post #75’s claim:

    Oh my GOD!!!!!!!

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmrWeliK4fk

    @Prefect at #77

    This fuels all the more why that certain idea needs to be discussed soon.

    Also do you know how to upload youtube videos in this site?

  79. Shadow-Knight June 15, 2013 at 5:26 pm -      #80

    If it will make the match more even then I am willing to change the Mandos to the KotOR or TOR era, If yall like this let me know.

  80. BC June 15, 2013 at 10:44 pm -      #81

    “ Also, the Mandalorians are not exactly the best fighters in SW. They had a brief moment in the sun, but were quickly put down by the Jedi and never recovered. Afterwards, they never seemed to progress much further than ARC Trooper in terms of skill. “

    It varies a bit, not all units are the same skill level. Also during the Yuuzhan Vong wars they went from a fairly pacifistic defense force to full commando strike units with very high skill levels being displayed in a matter of weeks so they still must keep their old martial traditions and training alive and just need a short intense refresher to go to full war footing. In some areas they (and the Jedi) were the only effective units with the New Republic forces scrambling in disorganized retreat against the Vong onslaught. Of course an active recon team like the one in the scenario would be up to Mando standards already.


    “ So what we have is a group of fairly green in experience soldiers, in medium to light armor that does not provide full body coverage, and who’s defensive strength we can’t say with any certainty will stop predator weapons… using primarily short ranged or lock on gear against a group of enemies who will only ever engage if they have the high ground, who have far more experience than them, and just took on a whole mando colony. “

    What makes you think they are “green soldiers”? The scenario start out: “A Mandalorian strike team (Star Wars) is dispatched to a small colony on the outer rim to investigate the disappearance of its settlers.” This indicates right there that they are an active strike unit (from the small size of the unit and the mission type it also implies that it is most likely a commando recon team) and not some planetary police or civilian group given weapons and told “see if you can do something with these” or whatever.

    Another point, it does not say it is a Mando colony, just a colony. It is probably just Republic or Alliance or whatever the current main government is supposed to be in this (current incarnation would be late Galactic alliance). Mandalorians have not been colonizing much since way back to the Mandalorian wars era since their population has been dropping very slowly not expanding so it is unlikely that they would be colonizing anything. Most likely the only “soldiers” protecting the colony were cops and animal control people rather than top grade military troops; there is a big difference there. Even if they did for some reason have some kind of tiny military garrison they would be lower grade backwater regular army rather than commandos.

    Their armor runs from practically no plate coverage through full coverage non-powered plate up to very heavy power armor suits and even something that could be called a battlemech if you stretch the term far enough. If these are Recon then they probably would normally have something in the range of Fett’s suit up to close fitting full coverage medium armor like is shown in the trailer below at 0:59 though the header says they actually have full coverage suits so they are probably more like the female Mando’s suit in the video or heavier:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOvbv-LkK6w
    If you look carefully it is a more sophisticated version of the kind of armor setup that the Stormtroopers use without the severe cost cutting. It is a full coverage suit of that thick black rubbery looking armor with rigid plates over top of it, similar to the medieval “plate and chain” concept. Fett’s suit was the black stuff with light ballistic cloth over it and plates in critical areas only (which makes sense, being a bounty hunter he probably did a lot of running to catch those that were live catch only and the lightest practical armor would help with that).

    The wrist rockets can be seen to have more explosive power than a Russian RPG-7 starting at 02:19, more power than it would have taken to completely wreck the hunting trip of the Predator in the original movie in a permanent way with a direct hit and certainly enough to send any of them flying with a nearby ground hit. That flying would give the disrupter armed one a good opportunity to skeet shoot the Preds. The floor that she is blowing big chunks out of is probably durocrete which is a lot stronger than contemporary concrete.

    All the disruptor would need to kill the Predators would be a single hit unless they have some kind of anti-disintegrator protection built in. They are nothing like the regular blasters, being more like a Klingon disruptor (another thing apparently borrowed from Star Trek like duranium was). A direct hit by one has been known to reduce fully armored opponents to a pile of dust, armor and all, which is why the things are so illegal in most territories.

    “ The Predators already have experience fighting and killing star wars soldiers in this setting. They know exactly what to do. They know exactly what to expect. “

    And that could get them killed when they expect more cops, animal control, or regular army and get Mandos instead. It is almost as bad as expecting SWAT and getting Iron Man instead.

    “ They are armed with wrist blades that can punch through armored vehicles. Biomasks that let them see the Mandos in any environment, and which also cloak them from the Mandos vision. “

    Are you sure the Pred’s cloaks are proof against wide spectrum visual, sonar, and millimetric radar? How about EM energy leakage, magnetic anomalies and nuclear radiation? The full Mando helmets take all those sensors (though not all of them have the same sensor suite) and process the information stream into threat profiles and highlights from a 360 degree arc and put them up in the hud. It is very hard to sneak up on an alert Mando with a helmet on even with the SW cloaks partly because of the same visual distortion the Predator ones have when they move. For that matter they even have a (very) slight chance that one of them is an untrained force sensitive who gets “a bad feeling” when something dangerous is about to happen since the Mando’s refuse to have any of their children tested. The very few that do get training become pariahs in Mando society (I am not sure of the reason for that but it is what happens).

    The Mando weapons, especially the disruptors, can put bigger holes in armored vehicles than the Pred’s claws and do it from a distance too.

    “ Plasma cannons which the Mandos can’t survive a hit from. Proximity mines which may actually kill the whole team if they move in a tight formation. Net launchers that the Mandos were given NO GEAR TO GET OUT OF. Spears.. which.. I don’t know if these are the combi-sticks or the gun launched spears. If gun launched then the Predators can now snipe, although I don’t know how useful that is, the weapon has been buffed from the movies to the point that it can rip a man’s head off in the games. If the combi-stick, it just further reinforces that if one drops down in the middle of the group, the WHOLE Mando group is 100% royally fucked beyond hope. “

    Their armor protects against plasma hits from things like DC-15 series rifles to a reasonable degree, it should at least blunt the Pred’s plasma a bit to say the least. A direct hit against a relatively weak area may one-shot kill (especially the throat, the neck armor apparently had a flaw that could be exploited) since the armor is only so thick, but glancing hits would probably not. The nets could be a problem though a blaster or disrupter bolt could probably cut the mesh but it is not an efficient way of doing it. It would have been a good thing to have the Mando wrist blades (the authors stole ideas from Predator as well it seems as you can see from the control panel in the clip) or even a regular vibroknife in their equipment list but they seem to have an odd loadout (they must have lost most of their equipment with their ship or something).

    The combi-sticks should not be any worse than other sticks they have fought before, like electro staves, saberstaves, or worse yet amphastaves. The spike launchers would not be exactly a new idea either, the Mando’s have a kind of AP speargun thing themselves as part of their traditional weapons set even though they do not use them in the field much if at all.

    “ The shurikens appear to be a nastier form of Smart Disc, and are in fact called Smart Discs on their own (just like how the bigger plasma guns are never called something else). Both variants are automated to a degree. Both try to hit their target and to return to the user. The shuriken style seems specifically designed to confuse and frighten the target prey. The disc style seems much more direct, and uses is propulsion device to punch through targets. I don’t have any faith in the mandos surviving a dedicated smart disc attack. They are extremely dangerous, and one of the most lethal weapons in a Predator’s armory. If one wants to kill you with one, you have pretty much no hope. There are smart disc predators that even employ more than one at a time, and if that’s the case if one drops out of the trees with two of these things whirring around him there’s no hope for whatever he wants to kill in this match. Literally who ever he wants to kill is his, and then maybe if the Mandos are lucky the guy with the disruptor will get a clean shot off on one of the discs or the Predator. Maybe. As for the whips.. well, the only Predator that I’ve ever seen use them was Wolf. He tore a xenomorph in half with one. He’s one of the strongest, best equipped, and most skilled Predators that I’ve ever seen.. and frankly, he needed about 20 minute more worth of screen time in AvP:R. That movie would have been a thousand times better if they stopped focusing on the cliche horror movie structure and just kept the focus on the Predators and Aliens.. Anyways, I don’t know if whips are only for advanced predators, or if Wolf is simply the first one we’ve seen using them, however.. If it’s the latter, everyone dies from this one Predator alone that has them. If the later, then they are still incredibly dangerous weapons which the Mandos have no defense against. “

    Mandos have fought both for and against Sith so they have faced lanvaroks which fire poisoned Force charged disks that can be manipulated by the firer if they are good telekinetics and familiar with the weapon. A force charged wooden stick can cut things almost as well as a lightsaber in the right hands; the lanvarok disks are not much different (again with a skilled force user firing them). They would not have the terror effect on the Mandos that they have on Terrans because of the familiarity with the lanvarok and they would also not make the mistake of thinking they have dodged one and are safe when it comes back at them from behind either since it is a classic lanvarok maneuver too. For that matter they have security drones that are like deadly versions of the practice remote so they are familiar with miniature robotic combat units which the smart disks would be thought of by them.

    Lightwhips are not exactly unknown in Star Wars and since the Sith and especially the Nightsisters seem to favor them so the Mandos would be reasonably familiar with them too. Unlike the lightwhips the Predator whips would not be manipulated by telekinesis into doing unlikely things which would make anticipating where the whip will be easier than fighting a Nightsister with a lightwhip.

    “ Pred blades don’t use heat, first of all. So this comes down to comparing the metals themselves. The nature of mando iron gives it fairly good thermal resistance. If I recall it can take a few hits from blasters, can’t it? And even a direct hit from a saber with out immediately melting. Predator blades do not use heat. They are simply relying on their superior nature as a metal to let them punch through other materials.All I can figure is they must be very sharp and the predator must be striking very hard.. combined with a superior hardness and very little brittleness because of the hardness.

    Cross, rules state most recent.. which makes the mandos pretty much on the level of what we see in the prequel movies. They never get any better than Jango’s level as far as I can tell. “

    Lightsabers do not use heat as their primary cutting force either, it is an energy stream that does it by unspecified means, the heat is induced in the target in reaction to the cutting action. Lightsaber blades are not hot.

    Are you kidding about very little brittleness because of hardness? Generally the harder things are the more tendency they have to be brittle.

    Most recent is not prequel movie time, it would be the last time they are seen which would probably be the very deadly teams shown in the Yuuzhan Vong war. Look at the female Mando in the clip, the YV war ones were described with capabilities that sound more like hers than the diluted down ARC troopers or even Jango who while he has excellent genes must have concentrated too much on bounty hunting and not enough on all out combat.

    “ The mandalorians helped against the vong, but were unable to defeat the empire with out considerable help. “

    Not surprising that a loose clump of a few worlds and scattered mercenaries could not defeat the Vong by themselves. One major fleet division probably had a higher population than the entire Mandalorian peoples combined. On the other hand when they were not locally outnumbered tens of thousands to one like that small Mando strike teams proved more effective than entire companies of Alliance troops.

    “ They are a non-presence by the time of Darth Krayt as far as I can tell. I don’t know exactly what happened to their world as I’m not that far in the comics yet, but I don’t think they even show up as far as I can tell. Their world was probably just one of the many consumed and broken in the big civil war with the Fel Empire. Any one more knowledgeable on them during this time period? “

    The comics that feature Darth Krayt and the “Fell Empire” are post-current incarnation since they are speculative future events according to the introduction to them. The current canon year is 45ABY if I remember correctly since it is being driven by the novels not the self-proclaimed future comics.

    “ It seems like the Mandos are kind of the butt monkeys of SW. They keep picking up their guns and pissing off the wrong people and getting stomped after picking on a lot of weaker worlds by an actual major force. They have an absolutely AWFUL track record. “

    Yes, they are usually getting PISed on since they are usually villains (mercs get short shrift in Star Wars in general for that matter and usually are the bad guy’s minions if mentioned at all). The few times they are the ‘good guys’ like in the YV war they do very well indeed. They are such a small minority and tend to stalk off and isolate themselves in a huff over matters of honor that they have not been a major player since their original empire was broken fairly early in Republic history.

    “ ok, like I said, I was probably wrong “

    No, you were right. The current ones are very deadly.

    “ If it will make the match more even then I am willing to change the Mandos to the KotOR or TOR era, If yall like this let me know. “

    No need, the latest current canon ones are plenty nasty as it is.

    All in all the balance is not that bad in this fight.

  81. ReDruM June 15, 2013 at 11:53 pm -      #82

    “meant in the direct attack not ambush.”

    When do Predators ever attack directly though?

    “And I think Mando’s have what might be called peak human strength but not sure if they really do. And need to check something on their gauntlets I think they have some with a strength enhancer like Predators sometimes use but I need to factcheck.”

    Predators are far beyond peak human though. We see one Predator punch through the street from the sewers meaning it had to jump and put its fist through feet worth of concrete. We also see them overpowering Xenomorphs which are class 2 easy.

    “Keep in mind though, the Mandalorian Wars showed that even a full Jedi Knight can struggle to win against Mandalorians.”

    Jedi Knights can’t pick a man up and tear him to pieces with his bare hands though. I’ve seen a Predator(AVP 2010) rip a mans head out through his stomach spine and all. I doubt a Jedi can replicate that type of a strength.

    “And that could get them killed when they expect more cops, animal control, or regular army and get Mandos instead. It is almost as bad as expecting SWAT and getting Iron Man instead.”

    Not how Predators operate. They stalk their target first and observe their capabilities to decide whether or not they want to hunt them. Case in point all 3 Predator movies. Predator 1 showed the Predator observing Dutch’s team tearing apart the rebels and deemed them a worthy challenge. Predator 2 saw Danny Glover tearing apart a group of criminals solo prompting him to target him specifically while bating him by killing his friends. Predator 3 saw the group hand picked all while in combat.

    “Their armor protects against plasma hits from things like DC-15 series rifles to a reasonable degree, it should at least blunt the Pred’s plasma a bit to say the least. A direct hit against a relatively weak area may one-shot kill”

    A DC-15 puts a hole through a man with a direct hit. A direct hit from a fully charged Plasma Caster can vaporize or cause Combustion from the heat. Hence why they hardly use it fully charged since it leaves no trophy behind. Obviously not a problem here based off the scenario. But even an uncharged shot puts a hole the size of a dinner tray through a mans chest. So I highly doubt they can survive a direct hit in any part of the body.

    All in all I’m still going for the Yautja.

  82. ZomBat June 15, 2013 at 11:56 pm -      #83

    Still think someone should look up the canonicity of the AvP movies, I distinctly remember losing a debate because they weren’t canon. That said, I a in no condition to do it myself.

  83. ReDruM June 16, 2013 at 12:11 am -      #84

    “Still think someone should look up the canonicity of the AvP movies, I distinctly remember losing a debate because they weren’t canon. That said, I a in no condition to do it myself.”

    Predator 2 specifically showed a Drone skull in the Predator trophy case. A year before Predator 2 they made the first AvP comic book AvP: Prey. As far as I’m concerned that makes it canon unless someone else has something that tells me otherwise.

  84. ZomBat June 16, 2013 at 12:19 am -      #85

    All I can find is forum posts talking about how AVP is non-canon, no actually reports yet, but since the OP of all the forum posts seems to be so similar, I think they all got it from the same source. If I can just find it.

  85. Shadow-Knight June 16, 2013 at 12:49 am -      #86

    @BC
    I had thought the current Mandalorians were strong fighters.

    —-

    “Another point, it does not say it is a Mando colony, just a colony. It is probably just Republic or Alliance or whatever the current main government is supposed to be in this (current incarnation would be late Galactic alliance). ”

    —-

    That is what I was getting at when I was choosing a location, and another thing, wasn’t Darth Krayt and the “Fell Empire” like 150 years ABY.

    —-

    @ZomB
    I do believe that the AvP movies, by and large, are considered to be non-cannon. I think they were more created to capitalize on the comic line, which in its self was started by fan fiction. I do enjoy the movies, though the second one was filmed with to little light and the “Romance”ish thing in the first one through me for a loop.

    —-

    @ReDruM
    “When do Predators ever attack directly though?”

    AvP: Prey, by Steve and Stephani Perry: chapter 18/ page,136/ paragraph one. “Tichinde led the willing yautja into battle as the light grew shallow on the arid world. The Kwei oomans(humans) had barricaded themselves behind a heavy door, their stingers(guns) on the outside but controlled from within. Their weapons were hot and deadly, their fire had already taken two of the warriors before Tichinde had decided to pull back and organize a stronger attack. Tricky devils, to hide behind the door and kill from a distance”

    —-

    That paragraph is from the Predators point of view after he tried a frontal assault on a group of settlers/ farmers who only had a few hunting rifles and some pistols.

  86. ReDruM June 16, 2013 at 1:37 am -      #87

    “AvP: Prey, by Steve and Stephani Perry: chapter 18/ page,136/ paragraph one. “Tichinde led the willing yautja into battle as the light grew shallow on the arid world. The Kwei oomans(humans) had barricaded themselves behind a heavy door, their stingers(guns) on the outside but controlled from within. Their weapons were hot and deadly, their fire had already taken two of the warriors before Tichinde had decided to pull back and organize a stronger attack. Tricky devils, to hide behind the door and kill from a distance”

    I have that novel and those were unblooded youngling on their first hunt who chose an idiot, by Dachande’s his teacher’s own words, as their leader because he was the strongest. They have never fought a human before and have never been shot at. In fact they were all morons who jumped into unwinnable situations hence why they all died. Gkyaun comes to mind immediately who thought it a wise idea to jump into a swarm of bugs solo spear swinging. Granted he killed a dozen of the things but was soon brought down and torn apart. Thus its not a good example at all. A terrible one in fact.

    “I do believe that the AvP movies, by and large, are considered to be non-cannon. I think they were more created to capitalize on the comic line, which in its self was started by fan fiction. I do enjoy the movies, though the second one was filmed with to little light and the “Romance”ish thing in the first one through me for a loop.”

    See my other post.

  87. Shadow-Knight June 16, 2013 at 1:54 am -      #88

    @ReDruM
    haha, I knew they were all idiots but you did ask for an example. seriously though, I do agree that it was not the best example I could have used.

    As to the weather avp is canon or not, at the time of my post yours had not loaded yet, to my knowledge the people who made Predator 2 put the skull in the trophy case as a nod of recognition to the AvP comics/ novels.

    —-

    I personally count it as canon, I have every Alien, Predator and AvP movie that has come out on dvd and even have them arranged like a time line starting with Predator and ending with Alien 4.

  88. BC June 16, 2013 at 3:54 am -      #89

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    “ Jedi Knights can’t pick a man up and tear him to pieces with his bare hands though. I’ve seen a Predator(AVP 2010) rip a mans head out through his stomach spine and all. I doubt a Jedi can replicate that type of a strength. “

    Some can physically though they are usually not human Jedi. On the other hand many mid-level Jedi or Sith could do it with their mind easily enough. A little old green alien who would have trouble arm wrestling a five year old human lifted a heavy aerospace fighter out of the sucking mud of a bog and that is not the most impressive telekinetic feat shown either if you count the EU.


    “ A DC-15 puts a hole through a man with a direct hit. A direct hit from a fully charged Plasma Caster can vaporize or cause Combustion from the heat. Hence why they hardly use it fully charged since it leaves no trophy behind. Obviously not a problem here based off the scenario. But even an uncharged shot puts a hole the size of a dinner tray through a mans chest. So I highly doubt they can survive a direct hit in any part of the body. “

    So that would put the plasma caster between the power of the regular blasters and the power of the disrupter. Nasty weapon.

    “ —-
    “ That is what I was getting at when I was choosing a location, and another thing, wasn’t Darth Krayt and the “Fell Empire” like 150 years ABY. “
    —-
    It goes as far as 138 ABY so far.
    -

  89. Shadow-Knight June 16, 2013 at 11:48 am -      #90

    @BC
    “It goes as far as 138 ABY so far.”

    ok, I knew it was far enough in the future that Luke Skywalkers force ghost was basically haunting his Bounty hunting descendant.

  90. ZomBat June 16, 2013 at 1:05 pm -      #91

    So, we’re using AvP as canon for this match?

  91. Ford Prefect (the Hoopy Frood) June 16, 2013 at 2:00 pm -      #92

    If so, in the AVP games the preds do have the aforementioned predtech vision that allows them to see through cloak- apparently the other spectrums available to preds cannot see through cloak (infrared, thermal, em [alien vision iirc]). This would make it near impossible for the mandos to find them.

  92. ReDruM June 16, 2013 at 8:54 pm -      #93

    “Some can physically though they are usually not human Jedi. On the other hand many mid-level Jedi or Sith could do it with their mind easily enough. A little old green alien who would have trouble arm wrestling a five year old human lifted a heavy aerospace fighter out of the sucking mud of a bog and that is not the most impressive telekinetic feat shown either if you count the EU.”

    Then its pure PIS that a Mando would last 5 seconds against said characters without be TK raped to pieces unless they have some sort of innate force resistance I’m unaware of.

    “If so, in the AVP games the preds do have the aforementioned predtech vision that allows them to see through cloak- apparently the other spectrums available to preds cannot see through cloak (infrared, thermal, em [alien vision iirc]). This would make it near impossible for the mandos to find them.”

    That’s for game balancing purposes during multiplayer deathmatches involving multiple Predators. We see in all the Predator movies that Predators can see themselves while cloaked due to being warmblooded. However they have suits that are designed to mask themselves from vision as seen in Predator 3 in Laurence Fishburn’s character who’s suit allowed him to avoid detection which combined with staying out of the way allowed him to live for 3 years while being hunted. Granted those hunting him weren’t blooded warriors but their frustration was evident since they didn’t even bother honorably killing him instead vaporizing him with a fully charged plasma caster blast.

  93. Shadow-Knight June 17, 2013 at 12:57 am -      #94

    @ReDruM
    your talking about the Super Predators from Predator 3 correct, I thought they were having some sort of turf war with normal Predators (my reasoning for the one Predator being chained to a stone column) , in addition to hunting the humans. The Super Predators also employed tactics that I ,personally, haven’t seen normal Predators use.; such as the pack of hell hound hunting animals and the remote controlled recon “FALCON” that was linked to the mask of the “Falconer” Super Predator.

  94. BC June 17, 2013 at 3:42 am -      #95

    “ Then its pure PIS that a Mando would last 5 seconds against said characters without be TK raped to pieces unless they have some sort of innate force resistance I’m unaware of. “

    That is true enough; Hollywood is fond of overlooking things like that. Of course there could be other reasons like some of the Jedi often seem to be reluctant to use the Force for direct offensive things otherwise they could not bother with the sabers and simply slam their opponent around like the Hulk pounding Loki into the floor. Also if the Jedi is too green to focus the force and swordfight at the same time it is possible that the Mando could keep him busy enough on a physical level to not have the opportunity. Also last but not least, strength is not the whole picture just like firepower is not everything; skill, speed, luck, and other factors come into play in combat and are often the more important element.

    I do not see this match as being unbalanced in either direction really, while Predators kill a lot of humans it is also true that each time they are beaten or matched by an exceptional human and the Mandalorians are supposed to be top tier exceptional as far as human warriors goes.

  95. ReDruM June 17, 2013 at 12:36 pm -      #96

    “I do not see this match as being unbalanced in either direction really, while Predators kill a lot of humans it is also true that each time they are beaten or matched by an exceptional human and the Mandalorians are supposed to be top tier exceptional as far as human warriors goes.”

    1. You forget that in each case of a human defeating a Predator none of them were experienced hunters and were basically teenagers which leads to my next point.

    2. All of them let their pride and sense of superiority get them killed. In Predator 1 that Yautja could have torn Arnold in half in the blink of an eye. It did not however and opted to play with an obviously dangerous opponent because it thought it had won already. In Predator 2 the Yautja also made foolish decisions when it comes to Danny’s character. Same for Predator 3. None of these were experienced hunters. None of them were blooded warriors. They were still students in training.

    3. It was pure PIS and a series of unfortunate events that killed them. Predator 1’s Yautja was killed because instead of just finishing Dutch he elected to slap him around, stepping right on the proverbial X that allowed Dutch to drop a tree on him. And he was still breathing even after that. Predator 2 the Yautja was shot with liquid nitrogen, shot full of buckshot, lost an arm, and had been breathing in earth’s atmosphere over the course of about an hour only stopping to close the wounds. Even after all that it still almost killed Danny but obviously was severely weakened from blood lost. If anything that is a feat. In Predator 3 all the Predators killed were via suicide tactics except the Beserker. The first was killed when the Russian blew himself up. The second was killed when the Yakuza and the Predator killed each other. The third was killed via a trap specifically set up to devoid him of his vision. Even then it almost won if not for the interference of the Woman with a bullet to the back.

    4. All the Predators were killed due to trial and error methods of gathering information on their weaknesses in a round about way. Dutch had to watch his entire team get killed and almost die himself before he came to the conclusions he did. Predator 3’s final Predator was due to the Mercenary with the big nose sacrificing people to gain knowledge of their weaknesses and capabilities something he admitted. Even in Predator 2 the Predator was flustered and disorientated due to years worth of research and information gathering on its capabilities, weaknesses, and habits. And they were still all massacred despite completely setting the battle in their favor by disabling the cloak and blinding him.

    None of these will help the Mandos in this scenario. These are not novice students. These are blooded Elites. There are only 4 Mandos not an entire cast to sacrifice to gain knowledge. And there is no PIS here to cause the Predators to play with their opponents not to mention Elites don’t play.

    All in all I don’t see the Mandos winning. The Predators are pretty much superior in all ways and there is one Predator for every Mando. The Predators will not attack directly but will instead harass from the high ground and cause them to separate after which they will pick them off one at a time. There should be way more Mandos then 4.

    “your talking about the Super Predators from Predator 3 correct, I thought they were having some sort of turf war with normal Predators (my reasoning for the one Predator being chained to a stone column) , in addition to hunting the humans. The Super Predators also employed tactics that I ,personally, haven’t seen normal Predators use.; such as the pack of hell hound hunting animals and the remote controlled recon “FALCON” that was linked to the mask of the “Falconer” Super Predator.”

    There are no normal Predators and Super Predators. Just Predators. The reason why their was a disagreement was because they were from separate tribes and tribal warfare is not uncommon between Yautja but they rarely exterminate each other more like a blood sport type of thing. Thus since there different tribes there are different methods of hunting and different sizes and shapes of Predator. In the sequel comic for Predator 3 we see the big nose mercenary being hunted by a 4 armed Predator who elected to hunt with no technology of any kind but instead his bare hands. He was obviously a young and stupid one who underestimated his opponents. Didn’t end well for him.

  96. Shadow-Knight June 17, 2013 at 1:01 pm -      #97

    @ReDruM
    “There are no normal Predators and Super Predators. Just Predators. The reason why their was a disagreement was because they were from separate tribes…..”

    —-

    Ok, I knew they were from different tribes; Its just that the term “Super Predator” is what me and my buds from school would use when we would talk about the movie to differentiate between the protagonist “normal” Predator and the antagonist “super” Predator. I just got use to referring to them as such.

  97. ZomBat June 17, 2013 at 1:10 pm -      #98

    “We see in all the Predator movies that Predators can see themselves while cloaked due to being warmblooded. However they have suits that are designed to mask themselves from vision as seen in Predator 3 in Laurence Fishburn’s character who’s suit allowed him to avoid detection which combined with staying out of the way allowed him to live for 3 years while being hunted. Granted those hunting him weren’t blooded warriors but their frustration was evident since they didn’t even bother honorably killing him instead vaporizing him with a fully charged plasma caster blast.”

    The Super Predators were bad bloods, they may have just not been honorable enough to give him a fair fight.

    Also, the difference between Super Predators, and Jungle Hunters was said to be like that between a Dog, and a Wolf. So while they are the same species, they are slightly different.

  98. ReDruM June 17, 2013 at 2:20 pm -      #99

    “The Super Predators were bad bloods, they may have just not been honorable enough to give him a fair fight.”

    No they weren’t. They did give them a fair fight. The fight between the Yakuza and the other Predator comes to mind immediately. If he was a Bad Blood he would have pulled his spine out cloaked or shot him without a second thought. Instead he fought him honorably and they both died. Same thing goes for the Big Nose Mercenary and Beserker.

    “Also, the difference between Super Predators, and Jungle Hunters was said to be like that between a Dog, and a Wolf. So while they are the same species, they are slightly different.”

    I already stated they were from separate tribes. There are multiple tribes of Yautja who look different and have different hunting methods. There are even Predators with 4 arms that look like Goro as seen in the sequel comic book to Predator 3. However if they were Bad Bloods they would have been in hiding not running a game reserve since the other tribes would have hunted them down and slaughtered them.

  99. ZomBat June 17, 2013 at 2:30 pm -      #100

    Robert Rodriguez himself said they were banished to that planet.

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