Here is quite the match. Both races have about the same mantra in the sense that they are un-relentless in their pursuit of conquering an objective.
Stepping outside the sci-fi realm, both have attained pop-culture status in their respective countries (Daleks – UK, Borg, US) – so much that anytime anyone calls someone a ‘Borg’ it’s a given that they know what that means.
Getting back to the fight –
I think despite the advanced technology the Borg have, I think the Daleks could win this match.
What do you think?
exter-ma-mate! lol
borgs cant assimilate daleks so they would get extermanted
I dont think Borg can win against anything mecanical that has the same attitude/power as they do. The fight would be too even but in the end the Borg need organic matter to assimilate.
Anyways, Replicators own all.
Who’s Borg? I never heard of them
the borg from Wiki – en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_(Star_Trek)
daleks r nt robots, they r a livin creature in a super suit
but daleks wud pwn
“daleks r nt robots, they r a livin creature in a super suit”
Ah.
So those are mini tanks? Makes sense. Being as they are hard to assimilate, pure firepower would have the Daleks winning.
I still stand by what I said. The replicators would own both. Hard.
comparin a dalek “shell” to a tank, is well, ridiculous! a dalek is so much more, for example its capable of surviving underwater at extreme pressures, of flying and hovering, of space flight, of controlled rentry and of imense firepower. All in all, comparin a dalek shell to a tank is about the same as comparin a landrover to a x-wing.
The SG1 replicaters or the Star Trek replicaters, cos i canna se either of em beating the daleks
“The SG1 replicaters or the Star Trek replicaters, cos i canna se either of em beating the daleks”
Didnt quite understand your statement. I cant say for sure, cause all i got is the info here and round the webs. From what I hear of the Daleks, the Replicator would indeed beat them. They consume all manner of technology and device countermeasures to their opponents as they are exposed to their mechanics. They really are a fearsome opponent.
Borg would get pwned by both.
Ah, but the daleks have a force field and their suits are air tight so the replicators would first have to penetrate the dual layer shield, of which one layer is sufficiently hot enough to vaporise metal bullets as they pass through it!
It’s pretty much as simple as this:
BORG: We are the Borg. Lower your shields and prepare to be assimilated.
DALEKS: We obey no one! You are an ENEMY of the Daleks! You will be EXTERMINATED!!!
BORG: Resistance is futile. We will adapt.
DALEKS: Our power will not be impaired! Daleks are the superior beings! All Borg will be EXTERMINATED! EXTERMINATE!!! EXTERMINATE!!! EXTERMINATE!!!
…and so on.
In short, Daleks would win, as their technology and defenses are more sophisticated, and the borg would not be able to adapt or get past Dalek shields.
you see, the borg want to assimalate, the daleks just want to destroy, basically, the borg get eaten for breakfast because all the daleks have to do is detonate the reality bomb:
BOOOM
all non dalek life sceases to exist unilaterally across the multiverse
Daleks couldn’t come close to defeating the borg.. Nobody could in the entire galaxy ,they assimilated millions of species and never lost, the only one who came close was species 8472 ,but with help they were able to beat.
Daleks would kill a couple of Borg then they would adapt and render the dalek disrupter useless and then capture the dalek tactical commander or emperor once they did, they would assimilate him and assume control of all dalek because their all linked via link through the body amour ,once that happens one by one they are added to the collective.
Richard…sure, the Borg is powerful and couldnt be defeated in the “entire” galaxy but remember, the Daleks are not just not confined to one galaxy. There is a reason that the Time Lord/Dalek timewar lasted an estimated 30 thousand years. They are THAT tough.
With the Dalek technology being able to steal entire planets, amid other things, I strongly doubt the Borg could stop them. Dalek would blow a hole thru the ship and have any borg sucked out in space. Dalek would still survive.
I still love the fact that Time Lords were responsible for creating Black holes…
Daleks would scream “EXTERMINATE!” and they would exterminate them with there laser beams.
The Daleks would rip the crap out of the borg
all the borg needs is 1 assimilate the borg wins
Borg win. period. They adapt to everything you throw at them, technology, strategy, whatever, even attempting to reprogram them has failed. And lets top this off with other borg technology, such as personal adaptive shielding, hive mind, relentless nature, tubules that can penetrate any shields or metals, and introduce nanomachines into anything which takes over the unfortunate target in a matter of minutes. Last but not least, if for some reason, the Daleks give them more trouble, there is always the Transporters that the borg have… beam target into buffer, wipe buffer…
“Last but not least, if for some reason, the Daleks give them more trouble, there is always the Transporters that the borg have… beam target into buffer, wipe buffer…”
Lol. I agree though, it’s totally immaterial what technology the Dalek’s have. The Borg literally have millions of ships and trillions of Drones. That’s the strength of the Borg. You could destroy one Cube, or ten or a thousand. It doesn’t matter, they will adapt. If they encounter an enemy they are having difficulty with or superior technology, the entire hive mind will focus on that task. They can research and engineer new technologies in minutes, that’s why they ‘adapt.’ Adapt isn’t just some magic force field that absorbs laser beams set on the wrong frequency. Adapt means they will learn and grow at a rate that boggles the mind until they adapt to the given scenario. The only reason they couldn’t fight Species 8472 is because their technology is 100% biological. Not only that, but their Blood Cells could fight off the Assimilation Nano-bots. The Dalek’s use ‘conventinal’ technology, therefore, they’re boned.
Borg: You will be assimilated.
Daleks: Assimilate this, n00bs! EXTERMINATE!
daleks DO have time travel.
Daleks win easily, as cool as the Borg are(I actually prefer them to the Daleks) the Daleks wouldn’t need to even fight them. They would simply use one of there superweapons to kill every Borg in existance.
the daleks could kill one or two borg, then the borg would adapt, but they would be unable to assimilate the daleks because the dalek creature is shielded.
in the end, the daleks would use the realty bomb…
Lets compare the Borg to a simialar race: The Cybermen. During the war between Daleks and Cybermen The Daleks shield made them invulnerable to most of the Cybermens attacks. By contrast,the Daleks weaponry were able to easily decimate the Cybermen.
Assuming the Borg can adapt to the Daleks superior weaponry,they would be unable to break the shielding on each individual Dalek.
That episode was great.
5 Daleks VS The Cyberman empire.
“You are superior at dying!”
Yeah, That was one of my favourites.
I also liked the epiode ‘Dalek’. It was great at letting us empathise with the Daleks.
Since I don’t want to go off topic,I’ll finish by saying the Daleks flying capabilities give them an advantage on an open battlefield.
well in my opinion as much as i love the borg
there screwed daleks win
xD
admin try one of these
Scrin (command & conquer) Vs Tyranids
The First Ones (Babylon 5) Vs Warhammer
Daleks will EXTERMINATE the Borg why not have the replicators(Stargate) fight the flood or something
Im all in favour of seeing the replicator’s on this site but fighting the flood would redudant since both groups would have no real interest in each other they would be better suited fighting warhammer 40k or star wars
Daleks will win this. They can even destroy the borg’s 29th century versions.
Daleks would win their weapons can destroy planets quickly(that was mentioned by the Doctor if I recall corectly).
Borg would lose against superior firepower.
I must go for the Daleks. their pure hatred for anything not Dalek will win the day. As noted before, the daleks do have time travel. they could travel in time when the first borg are created and destroy them. time will then go on.
the borg must touch someone and inject nanobots to begin the borg process. the borg would have to get past the shield, armor, and other things the daleks have. daleks can also levitate (fly). the borg can not.
let us just say that a borg does manage to assimilate a single dalek. you have squid like being in borg armor.since they are pilots in a mechanical armored tank (more, yes. but for this sake a tank). what technology do they have? Are dalek weapons designed to stun? I have not seen any dalek weapon set to stun.
the Daleks have the win. the borg may have millions, but the Daleks have the willpower and drive.
Sun Tzu wrote, “those with the greater moral can win over a superior numbered force.” Daleks have that moral. it is the pure hatred for anything not Dalek.
I can’t say much for what Daleks can do but in standard encounters it would be a downhill battle if the Daleks use any energy weapons. A few cubes get blown away and after that the rest are immune to the weapon used last time.
Same with drones vs shells. If a drone is mowed down by a shell the data of its death is spread throughout the rest of the collective. So a few drones later the weapons of the shell(unless projectile weapons) would be useless until changed.
Time travel too is possible by the borg. First contact anyway? The entire premise of the movie was the borg traveling back through time to stop the federation from being made and thus allowing the Borg to assimilate that section of the galaxy. The time travel bit didn’t seem to work through.
And the borgs offensive capabilities? Only an issue for a while. And ignoring the squid comment there is still dalek technology in their shells. Each piece of Dalek technology assimilated by the borg is one step closer to the Borg reaching Dalek’s level of technology (IF you guys are right about them being superior).
@Cide
You do realize this is the Daleks,right?As in the Daleks who fought and one a war against a race with near complete control over time.
Every Dalek has genius level intellect.After the Borg become immune,assuming they could adapt,they build better weapons.In an episode if I remember correctly The Doctor said that during the Time War entire galaxies were wiped from existence,that shows how powerful the Daleks are.Dalek time travel is far better and refined than the Borg.How can the Borg even assimilate a Dalek.If they try the Daleks can pull out the Dalek factor and turn the Borg into Borgs with Dalek minds.Also the Daleks have massive amounts of troops,not including Dalek Factor.In a single prison ship there were 6 million Daleks.Also the new Daleks are much more powerful as they are seen obliterating the old/current Daleks with a single blast(I am eyeballing this one,about 10-20 hits from their own weapons)Also if there is a progenorater(or whatever it is called) they can pump out troops rather fast.So I don’t see how the Borg can win.
To any Borg wanker.
Borg can’t adapt to anything,that’s just an illusion created by the ignorant trektards.
How are Borg to assimilate a Dalek ship which is orders of magnitude more powerful than them and even how are they going to reach the Dalek inside the shell.
Had to add next comment.
Borg can’t assimilate technology which is thousand of years ahead of them.
Reverse Engineering isn’t easy as many trektards believe,not even with Borg.
This whole “assimilate” argument is moot when you consider the fact that Daleks could simply destroy the planet, system, galaxy or universe the Borg are currently in.
We need a clash of the Sci-Fi universes.Doctor Who vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Halo(because that is definately the next great sci-fi series *cough sarcasm cough cough*)My money is on the Whonevirse personally,but it would be great too watch
@Seryj_Bog
Dr.Who universe wins(I think that they’ll defeat Q).
@Seryj_Bog
The only thing I can really see standing in the way of the Whonivirse in that match is the Q. I believe Halo and Star Wars lack any universe-level weapons, which makes them little more than cannon fodder for the Time Lords and Q.
Unless we were to go by current incarnations, in which case I have no idea who would win.
@The Ivan and McFace
Yeh the Whoniverse is basically an insta win,but I wanted to see the wanking of the Spartans and Q.
The Borg would just beam in several thousand drones into a Dalek ship, infect the ship with their nanobots, and take it over with the hive mind (ie: Borg-ify it). The Borg cube’s shields could easily handle any & all horribly WEAK Dalek weaponry, as well as Neutralize and Assimilate the Dalek time technology, and take over the manufacture of any super-weapons like the Reality bomb. BORG WIN. I know the Daleks, and the WHO-niverse, but i also KNOW the Borg and what they are capable of. THERE is NOTHING the Borg can’t assimilate (minus Species 8472-but that race is outside of the normal universe/normal reality). What one borg knows, the ENTIRE Borg collective, EVERYWHERE knows. The Q collective was even somewhat scared even of the Borg. as Q himself said; “DON”T PISS OFF THE BORG!!” , and the Q were masters of manipulating Space, TIme and Reality, and other dimensions.
Reality Bomb
poof….wait, does it even make a poof?
Daleks really the time traveling, world destroying, genocide loving, reality terminating, “EXTERMINATE”, trashcan looking Daleks.
@future Borg wankers
To quote Chuck “you be fryin son”
Daleks the reality bomb or kill the borg in the past
first no reality bomb.thats 2 cheap and 2nd the borg can assimilate them if they can get close cuz there assimilation tubes r subatomic type things which enable them 2 simply go between the atoms bypassing all known shields and matierals.so 1ce they adapt 2 the daleks weapons assimilation would be easy.still not sure if there r enough of them 2 adapt though.
As a wise man once said “This isn’t war, this is pest control”. The Daleks defeated the Time Lords before the Doctor cheesed them out. The Daleks can do what they want, where they want, and WHEN they want. Even the Q were once a mortal race and could just be wiped out in the distant past. The Q however are not in this the Borg are and they stand no chance. Maybe if you take away the Reality Bomb and time travel they might stand a chance, but even then I doubt it.
The Daleks are the pinnacle of evolution, what the Borg wish they were. Daleks exist to exterminate everything inferior to themselves, which is everything. I love me some Star Trek but I’ll have to agree with everyone else and say Daleks stomp. The Borg are only dangerous to less advanced races, 8472 whomped them easily.
@Vicious
Everything you say will be ignored until you learn to spell and capitalize correctly.
“first no reality bomb.thats 2 cheap ”
Too bad.
” 2nd the borg can assimilate them if they can get close”
Key Word: If.
“assimilation tubes r subatomic type things which enable them 2 simply go between the atoms bypassing all known shields and matierals.”
All KNOWN materials. Borgs don’t know WTF Daleks are made out of. Daleks are from an entirely different universe.
“so 1ce they adapt 2 the daleks weapons assimilation would be easy”
If the Daleks even think that they are losing, they will destroy all of reality… thats how the little bastards beat the Necrons in their match…. cheaters.
I would have to go with the Daleks on this matter. Dalek tech is just so much more advanced than Borg. If it would be ship to ship. The Daleks would blow the first Borg ship up and the collective would be scratching their heads trying to comprehend the amount of fire power coming down upon them. They wouldn’t be able to come up with anything that would allow them to adapt. Pretty much the same can be said for Drone vs Dalek. The Drone wouldn’t be able to get past the shielding or be able to effect the Dalek inside. Where as the Dalek would be able to fry the drone instantly. Also I doubt the Daleks would have problems breaking the collective link.
I personally am not a fan of the Daleks cause they are meant to be uber powerful but a pretty useless when around the Doctor.
@Mal
Very few people aren’t useless around The Doctor.
“If the Daleks even think that they are losing, they will destroy all of reality… thats how the little bastards beat the Necrons in their match…. cheaters.”
hehehe, I loved that debate, it was actually the only good match against the Daleks, and honestly I think it could go either way if it weren’t for the Reality Bomb as a side note, we need more Dr. Who on this site…
“Even the Q were once a mortal race and could just be wiped out in the distant past. ”
Never confirmed. Nevermind their own time travel.
“The Borg are only dangerous to less advanced races, 8472 whomped them easily.”
Not completely true about needing to be less advanced. On the 8472 that was done by very specific means.
“The Drone wouldn’t be able to get past the shielding or be able to effect the Dalek inside. Where as the Dalek would be able to fry the drone instantly”
I don’t remember seeing anything impressive on a personal scale in this thread…
“Also I doubt the Daleks would have problems breaking the collective link.”
There’s stuff to show this?
I’m not trying to go for a victory on either side. Just pointing out some possible flaws…
@Cide
A single Dalek fell through a hole in time,which fries if not outright obliterates people, survived entry into Earth’s atmosphere crashed on an island(a Hawaiian island if I remember correctly) and caused a crater and survived another few decades of torture in an attempt to crack it open by alien and advanced early 21st century equipment (the kind conspiracy theorists think the government is hiding from the public) and it was still alive and its armor was not compromised and never got to the actual Dalek, and the newer Daleks are more durable and have greater firepower.Sorry for wall of text and run on sentence.
How is this even a discussion? The Borg get stomped.
Hahaha
I forget about this match, the borg a race that couldn’t even gain control over a single galaxy, versus a race that went to war with all of creation up for grabs, could build a weapon that could destroy the entire multiverse, teleport multiple planets through time and space, then create an atmospheric shell around each to keep in the air and heat, whilst actually moving area a space a second into the future.
Just look at the doctor, he faces god like beings, ancient horrors, gigantic alien empires and even the devil himself, and he still considers the daleks his greatest enemy.
Daleks win.
“Your design is unelegant. You have tubes sticking from your head. You are ugly and you will die for it.”
This isn’t war! This is PEST CONTROL!
I ADORE The Daleks but they’d lose.
1. If you read the Factpile rules you can’t just use the One Super Weapon and boom done, nor can you just go back in time and kill them before they’re out of the cell pool.
2. But the Borg would adapt. Who says the Daleks are more advanced. Two different universes. Two different types of tech. But watch Next Gen. One Borg can get hit with a Phaser and die. But then ALL other Borg are now invulnerable to that weapon almost instantly. If a Dalek shoots a Borg that Borg gets its face melted to the bones (DON’T OPEN YOUR EYES MARIAN!!!!) but then ALL Borg are now unable to be killed by that weapon. You’d have to come up with billions of band spanking new weapons every time you kill one so they can’t adapt. Even if the Daleks ARE thousands of years more adapted than the Borg it would literally take seconds for them to catch up.
3.And the Q? Basic GODS who can warp reality? Yeah, the Borg almost wiped them out. The Borg. Almost. Wiped out. GODS. I just don’t think the Daleks can stand up. (I know the Daleks are one of the strongest and most powerful races in ALL Sci Fi and I LOVE Doctor Who. So I’m not bias. FEAR THE PLUNGER!!)
4. The reason the Borg aren’t supreme rulers of all life is because they don’t want to. They just want to advance as a life form. The Daleks roam around killing all who AREN’T Daleks since they hate EVERYONE. The Borg only fight when there is an actual direct threat to the Borg. That’s it.
I’m sure there’s a couple I’m missing but it’d basically go like this.
The Daleks are roaming around.
A Borg cube shows up.
A curious little Borg drone beams on board.
He scans.
The Daleks send him to kingdom come.
The Next one pops up and keeps going.
The Daleks shoot him but nothing happens.
Keeps scanning.
They try again.
Nothing.
The Borg fires back.
It does nothing.
He’d scan them and keeps scanning knowing he can’t kill them.
The Daleks would keep trying but nothing would happen.
Now it’s only a matter of time until the Daleks run out of weapons to use on them and the Borg find out how they work and they’re assimilated.
The Daleks now run around yelling. We are the Borg. Resistance is futile. Lower your shields and prepare to be assimilated.
lol fuck no. Daleks murderstomp
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Nuke every star system they’re in before they know whats happening, Daleks annihilate Borg drones given they can one-shot houses and survive time vortexes, black holes and nukes thanks to Dalek shields
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And adaption isn’t limitless in the sense that Borg cubes have been knocked out by megaton level weapons and assimilation has been resisted by beings with strong enough nervous systems
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Not to mention vastly superior time travel
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Oh and Reality Bomb blows up reality, destroying the Borg
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“And the Q? Basic GODS who can warp reality?”
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If they are uber reality warpers, how do the Borg almost wipe them out? Probably PIS
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“You are only superior at DYING”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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No.
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I’m laughing my ass off at the above comment.
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The Daleks erase the Borg from time with no trouble at all. Or de-age them with the Time Destructor. Or simply blow them away with planet-wrecking firepower, teleport their planets and ships in stars or black holes while sitting safely out of sync with the universe… oh, so many options. If the Daleks don’t want to be seen, they will not be seen.
“I’m laughing my ass off at the above comment.”
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Since I got ninja’d, I’m not laughing at StealthRanger’s comment, I’m laughing at InuKach’s comment.
“Since I got ninja’d, I’m not laughing at StealthRanger’s comment, I’m laughing at InuKach’s comment.”
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Don’t worry, im laughing at InuKach’s comment too
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Dr Who fan thinking the Borg even have a slight chance at denting the Daleks
Teh Borg Winz, coz they is teh awsome!
“If they are uber reality warpers, how do the Borg almost wipe them out?”
Watch “Q Who?” Episode of Next Gen and it says exactly that.
“Nuke every star system they’re in before they know whats happening, Daleks annihilate Borg drones given they can one-shot houses and survive time vortexes, black holes and nukes thanks to Dalek shields” You guys are just yelling random stuff. You’re not saying a actual real reason to say why. I know the Daleks are AMAZINGLY strong. We all know that. But the Borg would just adapt.
“And adaption isn’t limitless in the sense that Borg cubes have been knocked out by megaton level weapons and assimilation has been resisted by beings with strong enough nervous systems”
Yes. They can be knocked out. But the second after the Daleks blow up one you can’t destroy it that way again nor ANY other Borg cube. Plus it’ll be at full operating status in seconds after it’s been hit with the repairs. And as far as I know it’s never happened that a life form has been able to resist assimilation. They’ve been brought back but that’s it.
“Not to mention vastly superior time travel
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Oh and Reality Bomb blows up reality, destroying the Borg”
Again. Factpile rules say you can’t just go back in time and kill the first monkey to climb out of the trees or use that one uber super trump card oops it’s over sorry weapon.
“The Daleks erase the Borg from time with no trouble at all. Or de-age them with the Time Destructor. Or simply blow them away with planet-wrecking firepower, teleport their planets and ships in stars or black holes while sitting safely out of sync with the universe… oh, so many options. If the Daleks don’t want to be seen, they will not be seen.”
Again. Kill one Borg with one weapon and that weapon is useless. All Borg and all Borg tech is now invulnerable to that.
The Daleks would put up a amazing fight but they’d just be widdeld down and run out of options and they’d have no other way to fight back. But if they capture just ONE they now know EVERYTHING there is to know about that Dalek. They capture one Ship and they know EVERYTHING there is to know about that ship.
It’s only a matter of time.
@Inu
I do believe you are thinking of what Guinan says. she’s anEl Aurian, not a Q. The El Aurians were almost wiped out. Though Q did in that episode make out that her race were greater than Picard ever thought. Q himself could just click his fingers and the Borg would have never existed.
(Sorry for double post, hit “post comment” early)
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It was Q after all who clicked his fingers and launched the Enterprise into Borg space.
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GUINAN: I knew it was you.
Q: You! Picard, if you had half the sense you pretend to have, you would get her off your ship immediately. And if you like, I’d be more than pleased to expedite her departure.
PICARD: You know him?
GUINAN: We have had some dealings.
Q: Those dealings were two centuries ago. This creature is not what she appears to be. She’s an imp, and where she goes, trouble always follows.
PICARD: You’re speaking of yourself, Q, not Guinan.
Q: Guinan? Is that your name now?
PICARD: Guinan is not the issue here. You are. We had an agreement that you would stop meddling with us.
Q: And so I have.
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Being the conversation with Q and Guinan.
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–GUINAN: My people encountered them a century ago. They destroyed our cities
[Bridge]
GUINAN [OC]: They scattered my people throughout the galaxy.
[Guinan's office]
GUINAN: They’re called the Borg. Protect yourself, Captain, or they’ll destroy you.
[Bridge]
RIKER: Shields up
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PICARD: Because her people had contact with the Borg, I have requested Guinan to participate in this conference. You are aware of what occurred just now in main Engineering.
GUINAN: Yes.
PICARD: What happened between your people and the Borg?
GUINAN: I wasn’t there personally, but from what I’m told, they swarmed through our system. And when they left, there was little or nothing left of my people.
RIKER: Guinan, if they were that aggressive, why didn’t the Borg attack? They could have but they didn’t.
GUINAN: They don’t do that individually. It’s not their way. When they decide to come, they’re going to come in force. They don’t do anything piecemeal.
DATA: Then the initial encounter was solely for the purpose of gathering information.
GUINAN: Yes.
PICARD: How do we reason with them? Let them know that we are not a threat?
GUINAN: You don’t. At least, I’ve never known anyone who did.
WORF [OC]: Captain, we are being hailed.
PICARD: On screen.
(An interior view of the cube, all girders and scaffolding)
PICARD: This is Captain Jean-Luc Picard of the
BORG: (many voices speaking as one) We have analysed your defensive capabilities as being unable to withstand us. If you defend yourselves, you will be punished.
PICARD: Counsellor?
TROI: We’re not dealing with an individual mind. They don’t have a single leader. It’s the collective minds of all of them.
PICARD: That would have definite advantages.
TROI: Yes, A single leader can make mistakes. It’s far less likely in the combined whole.
Q [on viewscreen]: Picard. Picard, are you sure you don’t want me as a member of your crew?
WORF [OC]: Captain, the Borg have locked on to us with some form of tractor beam.
PICARD: We’re on our way.
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Further info from that episode. the Q have little to fear from anything in the Trek Universe (Except the M – but that’s from a book and therefore non-cannon so
GUINAN: I knew it was you.
Q: You! Picard, if you had half the sense you pretend to have, you would get her off your ship immediately. And if you like, I’d be more than pleased to expedite her departure.
PICARD: You know him?
GUINAN: We have had some dealings.
Q: Those dealings were two centuries ago. This creature is not what she appears to be. She’s an imp, and where she goes, trouble always follows.
PICARD: You’re speaking of yourself, Q, not Guinan.
Q: Guinan? Is that your name now?
PICARD: Guinan is not the issue here. You are. We had an agreement that you would stop meddling with us.
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GUINAN: My people encountered them a century ago. They destroyed our cities
[Bridge]
GUINAN [OC]: They scattered my people throughout the galaxy.
[Guinan's office]
GUINAN: They’re called the Borg. Protect yourself, Captain, or they’ll destroy you.
[Bridge]
RIKER: Shields up.
WORF: Aye, sir.
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PICARD: Because her people had contact with the Borg, I have requested Guinan to participate in this conference. You are aware of what occurred just now in main Engineering.
GUINAN: Yes.
PICARD: What happened between your people and the Borg?
GUINAN: I wasn’t there personally, but from what I’m told, they swarmed through our system. And when they left, there was little or nothing left of my people.
RIKER: Guinan, if they were that aggressive, why didn’t the Borg attack? They could have but they didn’t.
GUINAN: They don’t do that individually. It’s not their way. When they decide to come, they’re going to come in force. They don’t do anything piecemeal.
DATA: Then the initial encounter was solely for the purpose of gathering information.
GUINAN: Yes.
PICARD: How do we reason with them? Let them know that we are not a threat?
GUINAN: You don’t. At least, I’ve never known anyone who did.
WORF [OC]: Captain, we are being hailed.
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GUINAN: Q set a series of events into motion, bringing contact with the Borg much sooner than it should have come. Now, perhaps when you’re ready, it might be possible to establish a relationship with them. But for now, for right now, you’re just raw material to them. Since they are aware of your existence
PICARD: They will be coming.
GUINAN: You can bet on it.
PICARD: Maybe Q did the right thing for the wrong reason.
GUINAN: How so?
PICARD: Well, perhaps what we most needed was a kick in our complacency, to prepare us ready for what lies ahead.
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Excerpts from said episode. Q was never in any danger, he merely tried to teach humans a lesson
“Watch “Q Who?” Episode of Next Gen and it says exactly that.”
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Oh yeah, whats that thing that stops us from lying? Burden of Proof isn’t it?
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“You guys are just yelling random stuff.”
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Considering its destructive powers and defenses that afaic put it above the Borg in said areas then yeah
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“But the Borg would just adapt.”
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oh you mean how Borg Cubes adapted to phasers and photon torpedoes and still got pwned by them?
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Kinda how they adapted to projectiles, plasma coolant, ion storms,and small solar flares and still got destroyed by them amirite?
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Don’t forget fists, batleths, blades and weapon stocks. Kinetic strikes don’t seem to be very adaptable either
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Daleks wreck their shit with their planet-star system crushing firepower over and over again
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“They can be knocked out. But the second after the Daleks blow up one you can’t destroy it that way again nor ANY other Borg cube”
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Proof?
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“And as far as I know it’s never happened that a life form has been able to resist assimilation”
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Species 8472 would like to have a word with you
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“Again. Factpile rules say you can’t just go back in time and kill the first monkey to climb out of the trees or use that one uber super trump card oops it’s over sorry weapon”
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Really? I don’t see it anywhere
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And as Whatthecell said, time deconstructor de-ages them, or they teleport the Borg into stars and black holes
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Try adapting to that. I dare you
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“But if they capture just ONE they now know EVERYTHING there is to know about that Dalek”
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“They capture one Ship and they know EVERYTHING there is to know about that ship.”
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Yes because I forgot that reverse engineering technology orders of magnitude superior to that of your own is feasible within such a short time frame amirite?
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Daleks wreck their shit effortlessly. Time fuckery and reality bombing are quite the epic win cards coupled with planet-star system busting firepower equals stomp for the Daleks
Actually I found the part about no time travel, nothing about barring the use of superweapons such as the Time Destructor, The Apocalypse Element or the Reality Bomb
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False attribution is see
@Ruliya- OH! Thanks for that! Really need to rewatch Next Gen for like the 4th time. Not very observant I am. XD.
” But watch the Episodes. They change the frequencies of the Phasers so they can actually kill them. But then the Borgs are unable to be hurt there.
Anyways. Oh no. I’m not the Star Trekapidea. Oh no, I don’t know every little thing about everything about Factpile. Sue me. How about instead of nitpicking every little thing I say and basically calling me an idiot, how about you nit pick it and say “Actually species 8427 was able to resist the Borg assimilation. But it’s an honest mistake.
“Yes because I forgot that reverse engineering technology orders of magnitude superior to that of your own is feasible within such a short time frame amirite?” Watch the show. They do it all the time. And how’re the Daleks instantly like thousands of years superiour to the Borg? Says who?
“Don’t forget fists, batleths, blades and weapon stocks. Kinetic strikes don’t seem to be very adaptable either” I don’t remember seeing a Dalek using hand to Plunger combat.
“Species 8472 would like to have a word with you”
I don’t think the Daleks are on the Neurological par with them.
“Proof?”
Can I have proof? I’m trying to tell you the proof I have to the best I can but you’re basically like Nope. Sorry. Daleks. Nope. You’re wrong. Nope. No. No. No! NO! WHEW SNAW!!!!
“teleport the Borg into stars and black holes” I don’t remember that being a button the Daleks usually pressed.
“time deconstructor de-ages them” You know it only works once right? And once that one is used the Borg have adapted to it.
Again. You people are really being fanboys. I’m just trying to state my case and you’re just nit picking everything I say like I’m supposed to know EVERYTHING about both these universes and treat me like an idiot. You’re just saying nope. Sorry. You lose. If I’m wrong I’m wrong. Cool. We still had fun, but from what I can see, the Borg would adapt far to quickly and then the Daleks would just get widdled down.
“But the second after the Daleks blow up one you can’t destroy it that way again nor ANY other Borg cube. ”
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….I think the Undine would beg to differ. Adaption isn’t an end all be all ability. The borg must have it with in their power to actually be able to generate the needed resisting shields, armor, ect. If they don’t have it in them to supply the energy needed to have stronger shields to stop newer, stronger phasers.. then they can’t, even if they’re using the best possible defense against the phasers. If they don’t have the technology to produce small enough coolant systems in great enough numbers, they can’t properly protect themselves from ever more powerful plasma attacks. You don’t just “change shield frequency” to all things. Their technology is leaps and bounds ahead of the Federation, so it is with in their bounds to adapt to anything new the Federation throws at them. The moment they encounter a stronger faction… like the Daleks.. they won’t be able to use this ability. Your entire argument is based on your assumption that their ability to adapt is infinite when it’s been established that of course (and very realistically) it is NOT. The Borg can analyze what they’re getting hit with all they want but if they have no means to stop it then they can’t.. and because they apparently have no creativity in them these days this means they must have absorbed a technology or culture which has the means to stop this and has it somewhere in the vast annals of their assimilated databases. They don’t get to technobabble their way out of this like a Federation ship might.
@ Stealth
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““Again. Factpile rules say you can’t just go back in time and kill the first monkey to climb out of the trees or use that one uber super trump card oops it’s over sorry weapon”
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Really? I don’t see it anywhere”
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The rules state, to put it simply and shortly, that time travel can only go back to the very start of the match. This doesn’t change that the Borg lose of course.
I would like to point out something, The Undine (Species 8472) actually come from a different dimension, “fluidic space” which does not work ‘exactly’ the same as the “normal” universe does. The biology is slightly different. Although the Borg could not originally assimilate them, the Doctor (of Voyager fame, not Dr Who fame) actually found a way *to* assimilate them. So your argument of “well they couldn’t assimilate them” is out of the window.
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Okay, it took an out of the box thinker to assimilate them, I do think the Borg would have *eventually* figured out a way.
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The Daleks then, were created by organic beings on skarro, out of them really. Baker could have ended it…damn him for not eh? xD Bet that weighs heavy on his mind.
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I would need evidence to support the fact that an organic race that are human-like, that have been mechanically enhanced to become the Daleks cannot be Assimilated. I noticed something saying only organics can be assimilated, which is bull, as the Borg pretty much assimilated half the Enterprise E in First Contact. They assimilate Tech just as easy as they do Organic material.
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We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and *technological* distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.”
Lawl
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“Watch the show. They do it all the time”
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Yeah, to beings within their tech range
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You really want to tell me they could to that to the Xeelee or the Downstreamers?
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“And how’re the Daleks instantly like thousands of years superiour to the Borg?”
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Considering they have technology capable of fucking with time, can develop weapons capable of detonating stars and planets, weapons capable of shattering reality as well as FTL universal space travel, yeah
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“I don’t remember seeing a Dalek using hand to Plunger combat.”
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Seeing as they’re strong enough to rip metal apart, crush human skulls and crush bricks with 0 effort
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Did I mention the Daleks can fly
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“I don’t think the Daleks are on the Neurological par with them.”
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The point is assimilating everything is a no limit fallacy. And now do the nanoprobes that assimilate the Daleks behind that shield and Dalekanium (sp?) hull?
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“Can I have proof?”
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Yeah, hence the Burden of Proof fallacy. Show me where the Borg can adapt to planet busting attacks from Dalek Saucers when the Daleks nuke them even when they’ve been pwned by megaton level attacks even after ‘adapting’ to them
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“but you’re basically like Nope. Sorry. Daleks. Nope. You’re wrong. Nope. No. No. No! NO! WHEW SNAW!!!!”
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“You know it only works once right?”
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It worked on the Dalek race, so yeah, Borg get owned by it
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And prove to me they can adapt to it or your just using a no-limit fallacy
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“I don’t remember that being a button the Daleks usually pressed.”
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Red Herring. What stops the Daleks from teleporting the Borg cubes into stars or black holes and how can they adapt to it?
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“Again. You people are really being fanboys. I’m just trying to state my case and you’re just nit picking everything I say like I’m supposed to know EVERYTHING about both these universes and treat me like an idiot. You’re just saying nope.”
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Maybe because you show ignorance toward the Daleks capabilities while hyping up the Borg and spouting no-limit fallacies and stuffs that have been shot down a long ass time ago
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“the Borg would adapt far to quickly and then the Daleks would just get widdled down.”
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Already made my point, Borg get knocked out by megaton level weapons even after many ‘adaptionz’, Daleks have ships that can crack planets and detonate stars as well as fuck with time as well as teleportation of other objects into stars and black holes. Borg haven’t shown the capability to adapt to any of that. Theres too much firepower and time fuckery for the Borg to adapt, contrary to the ‘superhero mentality’ that goes on around the Borg and their adaption
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“Sorry. You lose”
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Yeah, you’re an idiot
“The rules state, to put it simply and shortly, that time travel can only go back to the very start of the match. This doesn’t change that the Borg lose of course.”
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I corrected myself on this earlier with the neutral battleground rule
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I still see nothing about barring superweapons like the reality bomb, the time destructor and the apocalypse element
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Yeah Daleks murderstomp
“I corrected myself on this earlier with the neutral battleground rule”
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Oops!
“I don’t remember that being a button the Daleks usually pressed.”
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They have demonstrated the capability to casually teleport planets across at least galatic distanced in Stolen Earth. They do this trivially, and it takes seconds. They can do this while sitting out of reach of the Borg, while out of sync with the universe.
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“You know it only works once right? And once that one is used the Borg have adapted to it.”
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One time is all that is needed. And how about you provide *proof* that the Borg could adapt to weaponry that de-ages them? I’d love to see that.
Im guessing hes one of those people who comes by, posts a few times the first day and then leaves the next day
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Meh, Daleks murderstomp
@InuKach: The Borg can only be resistant to something if it is in their power to do it. If the Borg cannot create enough power to match the output of a sun in their shields, then a supernova could destroy them, regardless of adapting. Same with Daleks; if an individual drone cannot produce power equivalent to or greater than Dalek firepower levels, then it won’t be able to adapt/resist the blasts. I actually believe that the Borg could adapt to Dalek gunsticks, but the ship weapons are out of the question.
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Now on to other things. The Borg have a lot of resources, but they have less than a fourth of the Milky Way. The Daleks control a galaxy (Seriphia) four times the size of the Milky Way, and they use it to produce all of their equipment. Dalek FTL, as of the 42 century, could travel from Seriphia (a Galactic neighbor like Andromeda) to the Vega star in the Milky Way in seconds. The Borg can’t even planet bust, while the Daleks have been able to since at least the point in their timeline during the episode Remembrance of the Daleks.
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On the topic of assimilation, the Borg aren’t going to get much of a chance, and even if they do, so what? They can’t mine any dalekanium, so why does it matter if they have it? The Borg cannot mine taranium, Veganite, or other Dalek power sources, so it doesn’t matter if they have it, as they can’t replicate it. Veganite was specifically stated to be to volatile to ever be handled/mined by machines. And, if these Daleks are from anytime after the 63rd Century, they have the ability to get into the Vortex, in which case they can use nuclear power, but it will follow E=mc^3, so they get a bunch more power; in that case, the Daleks roll through the Borg, slaughtering them.
Lets see shall we. In one corner we have the Borg who’s only strength is to adapt to tech of their enemies and become resilient to it.
Then we have the Daleks a multi -galatic empire with the ability to manipulate time and space with each individual unit being a soldier/tank/fighter and able to survive the madness of the time vortex.
Im going for the Daleks
Dalek for the FP award.
It’s too much of a stomp for that.
Only if we use Time War/New Series Daleks. New Paradigm, Movellan War, and Dalek Empire Daleks win, but not in an utter stomp. And Daleks from the early episodes, 1st and 2nd Doctor, could go either way.
“The Borg literally have millions of ships and trillions of Drones.”
I’m sorry this makes me laugh. 5 Daleks took on Millions of Cybermen without even blinking…do dalek’s blink?
Cyberman: Daleks, be warned; you have declared war upon the Cybermen.
Dalek Sec: This is not war. This is pest control! Cyberman: We have five million Cybermen. How many are you?
Dalek Sec: (pause) Four.
Cyberman: (somewhat tauntingly) You would destroy the Cybermen with four Daleks?!
Dalek Sec: We would destroy the Cybermen with one Dalek! You are superior in only one respect.
Cyberman: What is that?
Dalek Sec: You are better at dying!
Think of it like this…..1 borg from the 26th century was able to destroy an entire cube by itself. The daleks are pretty much outside of time technologically speaking. Not even the time lords could defeat them. Each time the doctor faces off against them…they come back. Their understanding of temporal tech is on par with the Time Lords, and their concept of beauty is pure death.
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The borg assimlate knowledge. Each time they are attacked…they use the billions of drones they have to examine the attack, and compensate for the solution….
Borg 1: I have a problem
Borg 2 (millions miles away) Oh yeah…that happened to me…here is the solution.
Dalek shields are superior and could not be penatrated..therefore no assimilation. The only species not to be exterminated by a dalek is the Time Lords, and I don’t think the Borg could assimilate a Time Lord….
Borg: “We are the borg. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is…futile
Dalek: “Exterminate…exterminate…exterminate”