Published on May 7, 2013, by admin - Posted in Universe 138
Suggested by aurorjonson
For this fight, we have the powerhouse of Harry Potter facing off against the Dresden Files.
Composite versions of both series, all characters past or present in the series active, no holds barred universe beatdown.
Which side wins?
Oh shit this actually got posted LOL
Anyways from what I know the Dresden Files rapestomps, since afaik they generally operate on a far higher scale
Ima go with Potter on this one El Oh EL
“Ima go with Potter on this one El Oh EL”
Oh yeah I forgot, AK can kill anything even TOAA and Potter can solo DC since he’s the master of death har har har
The Erlking rides
Meh, short of the Potter side suddenly having a mass-production facility for indestructible Goblin weapons that absorb the abilities of each attack, I don’t think they’ll win this.
Oh wait, they actually do.
Of course you could always just go to the Room of Requirement and ask for a superweapon to kill every enemy in one go.
“indestructible Goblin weapons”
Massive no limits fallacy
“Room of Requirement”
Which is also a supar massive NLF. IIRC such abstract and farfetched concepts were debunked in Voldemort vs Ganondorf
Just to clarify, the goblins in the Potter world are known for their indestructible weapons that absorb the abilities whatever they come into contact with (such as a venom-filled mouth of a Basilisk).
“Massive no limits fallacy”
Very durable then.
“Which is also a supar massive NLF. IIRC such abstract and farfetched concepts were debunked in Voldemort vs Ganondorf”
Supposed to be a joke. Shut up and let me have my fun.
But I suppose it’s not clear enough, so sorry for that.
indestructible weapons dont mean much when you get a satalite dropped on your head by a three hundred year old wizard.
Johnson you sorry bastard.
I thought that it was said in Deathly Hallows that objects multiplied by gemino remain the same, but the copies are “worthless.” I would take this to mean that the replicas are basically look-a-like knockoffs that don’t possess the inherent properties of the original.
Even in spite of that, goblin produced items seem very rare, as far as things go; I would find myself questioning quite heavily whether genuine full suits of armor are in existence; and the fact is, you can maybe replicate one of these alleged suits, but that doesn’t make them suddenly fit everybody, and if they can be altered to make them more wearable, then they obviously aren’t indestructible.
In light of my bleh-ness at Dresden lore, I’ll hold back. I can provide Potterverse info better, so I’ll wait until that knowledge is needed.
“indestructible weapons dont mean much when you get a satalite dropped on your head by a three hundred year old wizard.”
And that, the lack of area of effect attacks, is why the Potter side is going down.
On an interesting note, if every wizard in the Potter world pointed their wands upward and summoned a meteor, what would happen?
“On an interesting note, if every wizard in the Potter world pointed their wands upward and summoned a meteor, what would happen?”
They’d all look rather silly I’d imagine…
Well, I can’t actually recall an instance of Potterverse wizards having influence outside of, well, the Earth. They read stars and other celestial bodies for prophecy and such, but I’ve never seen a tale, even a legend, about wizards making monkey with the cosmos. Therefore I can’t really say…I suppose to consider it, there’d have to be a NEO passing relatively close to Earth, and the potters would have to know it’s there in the first place. All in all, I can’t really vouch for the possibility.
I mean, is this scenario like
“Errybody gets dropped into an arena and things go nutters”?
Or do the two wizarding worlds coexist on the same planet and they go from there?
Or maybe some other neutral location?
That was a scrappy scenario Johnny boy.
“Therefore I can’t really say…I suppose to consider it, there’d have to be a NEO passing relatively close to Earth, and the potters would have to know it’s there in the first place. All in all, I can’t really vouch for the possibility.”
Well, they do have an astronomy class.
But yeah, this is a huge “what if” scenario. For one, I can see someone like Luna suggesting it to Dumbledore, but convincing the entire wizarding world to cooperate is a massive undertaking.
Fudge Cawkblox everything useful and Potterverse loses.
Wouldn’t summoning a meteor pull one down on the summoner? If I remember correctly Accio pulls whatever is being summoned to the wizard who summoned it, so that sound like a good way to commit suicide.
yeah…White Council starts popping off Tunguska sized blasts from across the globe like trolls while laughing, the Winter Court of the Fae’s armies leave their posts on the literal edge of the Universe, Universe, and zerg rush the planet, the Succubi leader tells the worlds leaders to see how many nukes they can put on the ministry of magic building and they jump at the chance of getting to fuck her,
DF Merlin comes in and makes a multidimensional death bubble and pimp slaps any survivors into it.
Any Potterverse survivors after that get to see the hoards of Yog Sogoth descend upon the mortal realm seeking them out to feast on their immortal souls.
oh and that’s not getting to all the assloads of Norse, Greek, Roman, Japanese, Chinese, Celtic, Egyptian, Hindu, Mayan, Aztec, Incan, Native American, other African nations….Australian….probably missing some…gods that while dormant in current, are totally free game because of the op and are all type 4 immortals, then there’s the Mothers of Summer and Winter who basically equal the will of life and death respectively and then there’s the angels, archangels, angels of death…..God…..I’m not even discussing the small fry wizards here…..hell composite means an army of White Council Wardens with magic cutting swords that’ll be charging Potter wizard strongholds swatting spells jedi style in grey cloaks as fire reigns down from the heavens itself as every god goddess and Old One surges forth as a cloak over the world of men and wizards, as those beings massive armies surge forth behind them. Not even Christmas will be safe because Dresden Files Odin runs around as Santa during the holiday season, he rips Potter santas head off and wears it as a trophy as he invades Hogwarts and starts chopping heads off.
the eternal war, between Winter and the Outsiders. Part the first.
“I’ve seen movies and newsreels about World War I. They didn’t cover it as thoroughly in my schools, because America didn’t have a leading role in it, and because the entire stupid, avoidable mess was a Continental clusterfuck that killed millions and settled nothing but the teams for the next world war. But what they did show me I remembered. Miles and miles of trenches. A smoke haunted no-man’s-land strung with muddy, rusty barbed wire and lined with machine guns and marksmen. There was a pall of smoke that turned the sun into a dully glowing orb.
But the movies couldn’t cover all the senses. There was a constant rumble in the sky, thunder born of violence, and there was everywhere the smell of feces and death.
We stood atop a small, baren mountain looking down. Near us, only a few hundred yards away, was an immense wall, the kind you’d use to hold out the Mongols if they were the size of King Kong. It was built entirely from ice or some kind of translucent crystal. Even from here, I could see that there were chambers and rooms in the wall, rooms containing barracks, hospitals, kitchens, you name it. There were dim and indistinct forms moving around in them.
The walls were lined with what had to be tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of soldiers. I peered, trying to get a better look, and then realized that they were armored Sidhe.
All of them.
They all wore armor similar to mine, its highlights throwing back the cool, muted shades of Winter. Out beyond the wall was a land made of dust and mud and loose shale. It was covered in hillocks and steep gullies, and the only plants that grew there looked like they were certain to poke, scratch or sting you. Though the land was somehow lit, the sky was as black as Cat Sith’s conscience, without a single star or speck of light to be seen—and it was an overwhelming sky, enormous, like in the open rolling lands of Montana and Wyoming.
There were more bodies of troops moving out there. Some of them looked like they might have been giants, or maybe trolls. Larger groups containing smaller individuals were likely Winter’s gnomes. Things flew in the air. Bands of what appeared to be mounted cavalry rode back and forth. Some of the soldiers looked suspiciously like animated snowmen.
From this vantage point, I could see two major engagements happening, each containing maybe forty thousand winter troops. And they were fighting….
I couldn’t make out the enemy. There didn’t seem to be any unity of form. They were creatures–creatures whose physiologies made no sense, were utterly without order. I saw what appeared to be tentacles, enormous mandibles, claws, fangs, clublike limbs and tails. They weren’t bipedal. They weren’t quadrupeds. In fact, they seemed to have no regard for bilateral symmetry at all. ”
Cold Days 318-319.
I’m going to keep going but does anyone think so far that Potterverse has fucks chance against these numbers and creatures?
Just finnished dead beat last night cant wait to start proven guilty
“I’m going to keep going but does anyone think so far that Potterverse has pucks chance against these numbers and creatures?”
-Well, that depends. Does Dresden Files have anything to combat… this incredible dance?
But really, I have to say no.
awesome, what did you think of Dead Beat? How are you enjoying the series?
yeah didn’t think anyone would, just from that section the Potter verse combatants are outnumbered 100 to 1. And this is still living people, this war has been going on “always” that’s how long it’s been going, always…….picture the forces from the dawn of time to today lining up, just on the Winter Court side of this, not even counting the Outsiders, and you have a massive force.
well that’s two votes no….
Still, I feel like this match was necessary.
“awesome, what did you think of Dead Beat? How are you enjoying the series?”
Dead Beat was awsome,really liked the Lasciel/Sheila thing. Too bad we never actualy get to see the Erlking do anything but Harry keeping a being equal to farie queen locked in a circle is one hell of a feat
Dude, I can totally see that shit on the big screen. Fae and Earthly deities fighting against the malignant gods of deep space at the edge of the universe itself.
Hell, I’d be happy to see Dresden movies all around. I’ve got major respect for Butcher saying no to Disney, but there’ll never be any films if he never let’s somebody have the rights to do so.
Then again, seeing as that I’ve never read the books, my views are kinda out.
Oh, wait till Cold Days, Halloween comes round again, and this time the Erlking brings Odin Claus with him. Not to spoil but Wild Hunt vs armies of Yog Sogoth ensues
yeah I suppose.
you ain’t seen nothing yet…..and keep in mind when you read this next section, Auror said everything that was ever alive
the eternal war part the second
“I peered a little closer and felt a sudden, horrible pressure inside my head. I felt dizzy for a second, nauseated, and at the same time part of me was screaming that I needed to ditch my escort and go look at these things for myself, that there was something there, something I wanted to see, something I wanted to stare at for a while. A cold somehow greasy tendril of energy slithered around inside my head, something I had felt before when…
I jerked my eyes away with a short grunt of effort, closed them, and left them closed. “Holy…Outsiders? Mab’s fighting Outsiders?”
Mother Summer said nothing.
“I don’t…I don’t understand,” I said finally. “White Council intelligence always estimated Mab’s troop count at fifty thousand. There are freaking formations out there with more troops in them than that.” ”
skipping the gate towers being called Chrysler Building sized…..
“There was a sudden sound, a rising moan, like the wind shaking trees or surf striking a cliff wall—and the horizon outside the walls was suddenly lined with dark, grotesque figures, all of them charging forward, toward the Winter troops.
Faint horn calls sounded, clear and valiant. Winter’s troops began to retreat back toward the gates, gathering into a great arch on the ground outside them, locking their formation into place while the cavalry harassed the oncoming Outsiders, slowing their advance. Then the cavalry streaked from their engagement, passing safely through the lines of infantry to come riding back through the gates.
The Outsiders came on and crashed against the Winter lines. Battle ensued. From this far away, it just looked like a big confusing mess, with everyone jostling for a better position, but I could see a few things. I saw an ogre go down when an Outsider spit acid that started eating through his eyes into his skull. I saw the Winter lines falter, and the Outsiders began pouring reinforcements into the weakness.
Then a small crew of goblins exploded out of a pile of shale at precisely the right moment, when the Outsiders were pressed almost into Winter lines, but before reinforcements arrived. The surprise attack drove the Outsiders forward, when I could see that the “weak” regiment had been playing the Outsiders for suckers, falling back, but doing so in good order. The Outsiders had overreached themselves, and were now surrounded on all four sides by the savage troops of Winter.
The would-be invaders didn’t make it.
And that wasonly a tiny fraction of the battle. My senses and mind alike simply could not process everything I was seeing. But my heart was beating very swiftly, and frozen fear had touched my spine like Mab’s fingers.
The Outsiders wanted in.
“When?” I asked. “When did this start?”
“Oh, Harry,” Mother Summer said gently.
“What?” I asked. But I had noticed something. Those layers and mounds of shale? They weren’t shale.
They were bones.
Millions and millions and millions of fucktons of bones.
“What the hell is going on here?” I breathed. “Where are we?”
“The edge of Faerie,” she said. “Our outer borders. It would have taken you a decade to learn to travel out this far.”
“Oh,” I said. “And…and it’s like this?”
“In essence,” Mother Summer said. She stared sadly out over the plain. “Did you think Mab spent all her days sitting in her chair and dealing with her backstabbing courtiers? No, Sir Knight. Power has purpose.”
“What happens if they get in?” I asked.
“Mother Summer’s lips thinned. “Everything stops. Everything.”
“Holy crap,” I muttered. “Does Summer have a place like this, too, then?”
Mother Summer shook her head. “That was never its task. Your Council’s estimate was fairly close, counting only those troops protecting the hearts of Winter and Summer. Mab has more than that. She needs them—for this.”
I felt like I’d been hit repeatedly in the head with a rubber hammer. “So…Mab’s troops outnumber yours by a jillion.”
“So she could run you over at any time.”
“She Could,” Mother Summer said, “if she were willing to forfeit reality.
I scanned the length of the wall nervously. It looked like it went on forever–and there was fighting all along its length.
“You’re telling me that this is why Mab has her power? To…to protect the borders?”
“To protect all of you from the Outsiders, mortal.” ”
billions upon billions of bones littering the ground, all of them used to be soldiers of one of the two sides…..billions upon billions upon billions of soldiers…..all of them pointed at the Potterverse….
and the Outsiders ultimate objective is a line straight out of Doctor Who “The Destruction of Reality Itself!!!!”
also damn that’s a lot of paragraphs describing just how utterly fucked the Potterverse is.
“Oh, wait till Cold Days, Halloween comes round again, and this time the Erlking brings Odin Claus with him.”
That actualy makes sence since Odin is one of the traditional leaders of the wild hunt along with King Arthur, King Hurla, Wodin and Francis Drake
yep, though he’s moonlighting as Santa at the time but still.
The best part, Dresden joins it on a Harley Davidson that is coated in an epic spirit panther/tiger aura by the power of the Hunt, and every time the engine revs the tiger roars with the power of american engineering. And it can drive on water. Can’t speak for if the others are there, though I doubt it. But damned if they aren’t in this match thanks to the OP
I recall Harry mentioning Dracula still being alive in Europe in one of the first books, not sure if he was joking though.
you see the utter rape stomp that is this match now I presume?
yeah, but whatever Dracul is, I don’t think he even has to come into play just from the sheer numbers of Outsiders and Winter Faerie soldiers, the battle would take Zerg rush to levels the Zerg wouldn’t be able to comprehend.
Was Potter bad that he needs another raping?
no, aurorjohnson suggested this, but as I warned and have shown above the Potterverse is hopelessly outgunned, outnumbered, and doomed to have their reality end.
This wasn’t a very well thought out match. Or was an intentional spite. Either way, it’s a waste of our time. The only credible threat from the Potterverse are the Dementors and time travel. The latter will only get them back to the start of the match to convey how fucked they are.
you know what for shits and giggles…..would everyone agree a Unicorn is the absolute weakest most useless creature in the Potterverse?
If so who wants to see a Dresden Files Unicorn (from Summer Knight) just to see the gap between the “weakest” individuals.
Dementors are weak to positive emotions they can be countered by the summer court who (unless I’m remembering wrong) can manipulate emotions
I don’t think the Demontors are too much trouble, their unusually yappy Chihuahuas next to….Outsiders…seriously the Wall is meant to keep kaiju sized creatures out, nothing in Potterverse is that big except maybe the giants on a good day.
As for the match it was spite, that backfired, aurorjohnson was trying to spite me because he thinks Potterverse is higher tier than it is, he’s mentioned it beating Legend of Zelda for instance.
The unicorn in summer knight wasn’t really a unicorn
Even then it wasn’t a regular good unicorn either
I know, but still, only example of a Dresden Files Unicorn we have. And honestly it doesn’t matter one way or the other I guess, Dresden Files stomp just from numbers, they don’t even need the power the numbers have, they could literally trample the Potterverse with sheer numbers.
Even without numbers thier forces are actually competent
Something unheard of in HP
That too, and the Potter books are a good source of info for the DF characters, they know all the secret passages into Hogwarts for instance, not that they need to sneek in, that shield wouldn’t hold off the Wardens, not all of them at peak.
To be honest, Dresden Composite is an utter stompfest against Potterverse. Sure Potterverse wizards have some nifty things such as the Instant-Death-No-Block Killing Curse as well as far superior transportation with Apparition and Portkeys for mass transportation, allowing them immense strategical maneuverability and flexibility, this is completely moot in the face of characters like the Sidhe Queens, Odin, Ferrovax, the Outsiders so on.
True, a Composite Potterverse would have some Heavy Hitters like Dumbledore, Grindelwald, Voldemort, Merlin, The Four Founders and some more ancient wizards like Herpo the Foul, they’re at most Senior Council Level, nothing compared to the greater powers in the Dresdenverse.
This would have been more fair if it was just The White Council VS Potterverse/Wizarding World
Urge to wordbrick rising.
actually in other debates for the Potterverse including characters against DF characters we discussed Avada Kedavra, and with solid objects providing defense against it in the books and movies, a powerful solid enough shield similar to what Dresden uses, is enough to block it.
Unblockable is a no limits fallacy and has been shown to not be the case due to solid objects being between the spell and target. Also even then most of the Dresden Files heavy hitters are type four immortals that would be immune to it, Mab, Odin, Titinia, Uriel, Erlking, Mother Summer, Mother Winter, Molly, Sarissa, I could go on, none of them would be tickled by Avada Kedavra.
And if you want to talk Merlins…..we’ll talk Dresden Files Merlin in my next post.
It’s what I call my random mini stories. I write my compressed mass of words, and throw it through your window like a brick and you’re stuck with it.
Ah, okay then. Well may want to hold off till you hear the crazy shit DF Merlin does.
The Dresden Files Merlin creating Demonreach Island. Dumbed down so human brains don’t implode into singularities. I’m also skipping some colorful playing of the image projection where Bob added the 20th Century Fox logo and people talk a bit, the special hell is mentioned and the line long time ago, pretty much right here is used. lots of build up, description of the face used as a stand in for Merlin since Bob doesn’t know what Merlin looks like (Bob’s a knowledge spirit by the way and it was dumbed down for him to be able to not blow up before he dumbed it down for Dresden)
” The movie shifted into fast motion. The grey-clad figure became a blur. It walked about waving its arms, and directed oceans of energy here and there, settling them all in and around the substance of the island itself.
“Wait. Did Demonreach tell you how he did that?”
“No,” Bob said, annoyed. “It’s called artistic license, Harry.”
‘Okay, I get it. Merlin built the island. However he did it. Get to the part with the problem.
Merlin walked into the woods in comically fast motion and vanished. Then time passed. The sun streaked by hundreds and then thousands of times, the shadows of the island bowing and twisting, the trees rising, growing, growing old, and dying. At the bottom of the screen, words appeared that read, A LOT OF TIME PASSES.
“Thank you for dumbing that down for me,” I said.
Then the camera slowed. Again, Merlin appeared. Again, oceans of power rose up and settled into the island. Then Merlin vanished, and more years passed. Maybe a minute later, he appeared again—looking exactly the same, I might add—and repeated the cycle.
“Hold on,” I said. “He did it again? Twice?”
“Ah,” Bob said, as a fouth cycle began on the screen. “Sort of. See, Harry this is one of those things you’re going to have trouble grabbing onto.”
“Go slow and try me.”
“Merlin didn’t build the prison five times,” Bob said. “He built it once. In five different times. All at the same time.”
“I felt my brows knit. “Uh. He was in the same place, doing the same thing, in five different times at once?”
“That does not make any sense,” I said.
“Look, a mortal jail is built in three dimensions right? Merlin built this one in four, and probably several more, though you can’t really tell whether or not he built it in a given dimension until you go there and measure it, and the act of measuring it will change it, but the point is: This is really advanced stuff.”
I sighed. “Yeah. I’m getting that. But what’s wrong?”
The shot zoomed out, rising up to give a top-down view of the island, which became a blurry shape. A familiar five-pointed star blazed itself across the surface of the lake, its lines so long that the pentagon shape at its center enfolded the island entirely. Within the pentagon, a second pentacle formed, like the first one drawn in the manner to preserve and protect. The camera tightened in and I saw that the second pentagon enfolded the entire hilltop where the cottage and ruined tower lay. The camera tightened more, and I saw more pentacles drawn, this time not flat but at dozens of intersecting angles, their centers encircling the dozen tunnels full of evil beings beneath the island.
“These,” Bob said, “represent the original enchantments on the island. This is vastly simplified, of course, but the basic star-and-circle architecture is the same as the work you do, Harry.”
The design blurred and increased, growing denser and more delicate and more brilliant in power, until something twinged in my brain and I had to look away from the diagram.
“Yeah, sorry about that, boss. This is meant to represent the entanglement of the spells being delivered at different times.”
“No wonder it was so complicated,” I muttered.
“And it’s even worse than this,” Bob said. “I’m filtering it down for you. And here’s the problem.”
I forced myself to look back at the projection, and saw those millions upon millions of spells resonating with one another, spreading and interlocking into an impenetrable barrier. It was, I thought, somehow like watching crystals grow. The spells powering the actual construction of it hadn’t been, alone, too much stronger than some of the work I had done—-but when they’d been interconnected with their counterparts across time, they’d fed upon one another, created a perfect resonance of energy that had become something infinitely greater than the sum of its parts. ”
okay could keep going but not the important thing…there’s dumbed down for humans what Merlin did….posting more in my next post….fingers tired.
“actually in other debates for the Potterverse including characters against DF characters we discussed Avada Kedavra, and with solid objects providing defense against it in the books and movies, a powerful solid enough shield similar to what Dresden uses, is enough to block it.
Unblockable is a no limits fallacy and has been shown to not be the case due to solid objects being between the spell and target.”
I agree that unblockable is a NLF, but that is a horribly flawed argument that should not have flown. It effectively being impeded by stone is irrelevant to its effectiveness as a spell that only specifically has the effect of extinguishing life. Would a wizard of sufficiently high magical ability be able to block it like Sorcerer Supreme Doctor Strange? Of course.
okay two more quotes on Merlin’s spells and the island
one) what happens when the spells are fucked up by something capable of it.
“Nope,” said Bob. “That tension that’s building? It’s…Well, think of ti as cause and effect, only backward.”
“What the island experiencing now is the echo of the moment that burst of energy strikes it,” Bob said. “only instead of the echo happening after, it’s happening first.”
simplification is the attacker is going to attack through time as well as space meaning Dresden will be having to stop them both when and where they attack from.
two) what happens when the Island does go boom. How much energy gets released.
” My little island paradise was about to explode with enough energy to cook dark gods and Lord only knew what else hanging around under the island. That meant we were talking about a release of energy in the gigaton range. And if I didn’t stop someone from doing it, the continental shelf was about to have a very bad day. “
It’s also been stopped by chairs I think it was said…would have to check that fight again.
There was more to the argument too, but fact remains a solid shield would stop it as well as stone would was the argument. Or at least one like Dresden’s which stops multiple energy wavelengths, physical energy, kinetic, spiritual, magical…and several other wavelengths of magic and physical wall all at once.
I’ll go double check the whole argument though.
the reason being on the shield that it requires massive power to break through said shield and there’s no evidence AK has that power considering it can’t destroy stone and Dresden’s shield has blocked far more destructive forces magical and non magical.
It’s not a destructive spell though. It clearly doesn’t have the same effect when interacting with magic that it does when interacting with physical objects. It’s not like Reducto, a literal destruction spell.
true, but it is energy, a form unspecified magical energy, but energy nontheless.
” And Dresden’s dealt with death energy before
The vampires came for me, across the floor, along the walls, scuttling like roaches or spiders-too fast for easy belief. Bianca gathered shadow into her hands and hurled it at me.
I fell back a pace, caught Bianca’s strike with my staff, and parried it into one of her flunkies. The darkness enfolded the vampire, and it screamed from within. When the fog around it vanished, nothing remained but dust. ”
Grave Peril pg 312
not even direct shielding, he caught the energy and directed it to a different target.
AK is block able, potter matched Voldemort’s with his own in GoF. Energy with energy so I’d think a powerful magical shield would do the trick as well.
plus there’s that.
Still, AK doesn’t matter, how many times can they throw it before they start wearing out from the hoards of Faeries and Outsiders. How many times can they say it before their voices go hoarse, how many times can they wave their wands before their arms go numb, how long can they go before they fall out from exhaustion.
There’s hundreds of thousands of Winter Warriors from current era alone, millions upon millions upon millions of bones of Winter Soldiers meaning millions more Winter Soldiers conservatively, who knows how many Outsiders capable of mind rape and who entering the universe would mean the end of reality for everything else….if the Potterverse forces aren’t wiped out in an instant how long can they realistically hope to hold off the sheer numbers.
“AK is block able, potter matched Voldemort’s with his own in GoF. Energy with energy so I’d think a powerful magical shield would do the trick as well.”
You’re misrepresenting that event. What happened in Goblet of Fire would have happened regardless of the spell they casted. Because Voldemort and Harry had the same wand core it triggered that massive stalemate effect. It was super PIS.
I fail to see the similarities there in that Dresden quote with Ak.
And I know the Potterverse is outnumbered, it was clearly a spite match. I’m just disputing the reasoning for dismissing the effectiveness of Avada Kedavra.
Yes it was supposed to be a spite match in favor of Harry Potter because Auror Johnson is an idiot, in all honesty it backfired wonderfully on him.
Dresden files for the win, just to hopefully shut Johnson up.
Both cause pretty well instant death, different methods but death nonetheless, and both are dark magical energy.
Besides that it’s still magical energy, something Dresdenverse wizards are prone to making shields to defend against. Not every wizard specializes in dealing with energy but many like Dresden do so specializing in the control and redirection of all kinds of magical energies, many stronger and more powerful than anything shown by wizards in the Potterverse, I’m not even talking destructive capacity, I’m talking raw power of energy, energy to power apartment complexes, maybe even entire cities.
Also there’s the whole…time space fuckery Merlin has which I showed in post 49…
I think backfired is an understatement considering the information brought up so far.
Oh shit sorry I forgot the circumstances in that case, thanks for clearing that ip for me. At the very least AK can be dodged though right?
Where are you? Come and defend your precious Harry Potter. Don’t be afraid we don’t bite.
I think he got scared off after his last match being posted.
“Where are you? Come and defend your precious Harry Potter. Don’t be afraid we don’t bite.”
Auror, he’s lying; run!
can you think of anything else I can add or have I already put the final nail in the coffin?
“Besides that it’s still magical energy, something Dresdenverse wizards are prone to making shields to defend against.”
So are Potter Wizards. Doesn’t help.
“Not every wizard specializes in dealing with energy but many like Dresden do so specializing in the control and redirection of all kinds of magical energies, many stronger and more powerful than anything shown by wizards in the Potterverse, I’m not even talking destructive capacity, I’m talking raw power of energy, energy to power apartment complexes, maybe even entire cities.”
– This is quite debatable. How does one measure raw power that way? The latter about apartment complexes and entire cities sound like speculation anyway. Plus Potter wizards reject “muggle” technology, including electricity so we don’t know if they’d be able to do that.
“Oh shit sorry I forgot the circumstances in that case, thanks for clearing that ip for me. At the very least AK can be dodged though right?”
It’s cool. And yes you can dodge it like any other spell or throw some kind of object in the way.
“Dementors are weak to positive emotions they can be countered by the summer court who (unless I’m remembering wrong) can manipulate emotions”
Not quite. Dementors suck away happiness and positive emotions when they come near. They can be temporarily repelled by a Patronus, which is the physical manifestation of the happiest memory a wizard or witch has.
So potter winning with its……………………………………………
the apartment/city thing was the best comparision off the top of my head, it’s just…the energy of the universe, like the force, and output wise Dresden’s blocked more than any Potterverse wizard has shown the ability to put out. He’s also controlled and redirected more even drawing enough energy out of a storm to make the storm stop and channeling it through his body, and containing so much in his body that he gained an aura and the energy started jumping between the hairs on his neck.
The shadowy death spell he blocked is like Avada Kedavra described as black magic, and isn’t the only example, Dresden has redirected a curse that changes the probability of death, and multiple dark spells cast at him in the midst of large battles, magic=energy for wizards, any energy can be manipulated into something else that’s how their magic works, taking the energy and either redirecting it (taking a lightning bolt and channeling the natural energy that is a storm through your body as lightning) or creating something else with that energy (making fire from energy and oxygen) or even causing things with that energy (gravity swells, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis) it’s all about manipulating the energy, Dresden has thrown out energy to blow chunks of Hogwarts into charred dust, and he’s a mid tier wizard, the upper tier are getting up there to Wheel of Time levels of hax making 30 megaton blasts to kill someone that deserves it and yanking satellites out of orbit to hit a target on another continent. Merlin was at five different points of time at the same time and manipulating enough energy to keep hundreds of thousands of gods trapped and set up a security system that would do as much damage to the east coast as World War Hulk, whole east coast and then some just boom gone with maybe some of Canada going too.
we’re talking megatons to gigatons of energy by the upper level wizards, Dresden could potentially get close to megatons….maybe…
“can you think of anything else I can add or have I already put the final nail in the coffin?”
Molly showed that wizards can use they’re energy to physically interact with spirits. Molly used it to hold corpsetaker for a bit.
Also Wraiths can be directed.
Corpsetaker can body swap.
Fairies are really fast and dangerous when you give them sharp objects they can wield as weapons.
And dying Dresden files Wizards can put out curses fueled by their death that can have some dangerous effects. Sort of like a Magical mutually assured destruction.
What’s the most Dresden has actually blocked with a forcefield?
The most Dresden’s blocked….I want to say around……little less than rpg maybe rpg level….let me check through the feats see if there’s one with a good example of him blocking the energy, or Lowk might be able to bring something…
I forget to mention the Nundu when harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Nundubringing up threats from the Potterverse
“Wouldn’t summoning a meteor pull one down on the summoner? If I remember correctly Accio pulls whatever is being summoned to the wizard who summoned it, so that sound like a good way to commit suicide.”
“What’s the most Dresden has actually blocked with a forcefield?”
Most would c4 explosion.
He’s also blocked a mine.
Multiple vamps attacking(2-3 ton range)
A falling elevator.
Bees the side of park benches trying to ram him
A 700-800 pound monster charging him.
okay, there’s this feat where Dresden shielded from a 13 story fall in an elevator after he pushed the elevator up with wind.
“The elevator hurtled up and up and up, and I could feel my face sagging down with the speed of it. My office building is twelve stories high. We’d started at the second floor, so assuming an average of nine feet per story, it was almost a hundred feet to the building’s roof.”
Stating height of the building.
“There was a little groan from the elevator, and then it shuddered, and started sliding back down the shaft, no longer supported by the powerful but short-lived pillar of wind that had driven it up there. We were falling back down the way we had come, and I had the feeling that we weren’t going to have a much better time of it at the bottom than the scorpion had at the top.
Now was the time for the bracelet, and I didn’t waste a heartbeat grabbing Murphy close to me, and bringing the shield into being around us. I only had a couple of seconds to focus, to think – I couldn’t make the globe around us too brittle, too strong, or we’d just smash ourselves against the inside of it in the same way we would if we just rode the elevator down. There had to be some give to it, some flexibility, to distribute the tremendous force of the abrupt stop at the first floor.
It was dark, and there wasn’t much time. Murphy and I rose up to the center of the space of the elevator while I pushed the shield out all around us, filled up the space with layer after layer of flexible shielding, semicohesive molecules of air, patterns of force meant to spread the impact around. There was a sense of pressure all around me, as though I had been abruptly stuffed in Styrofoam packing peanuts.
We fell, faster and faster. I sensed the bottom of the shaft coming. There was an enormous sound, and I held on to the shield with all of my might.
When I opened my eyes again, I was sitting on the floor of the shattered, devastated elevator, holding a sagging, unconscious Murphy. The elevator doors gave a warped, gasping little ding, then shuddered open.”
13 x 9 foot
9 feet = 0.3048 meters
0.3048 x 9= 2.7432 meters
2.7432 x 13 = 35.6616 meters
V(Final)=V(Initial)t + 1/2(a)(t)^2
Assuming V Initial is zero (at rest) we cross out Vinitial(t)
We know acceleration is -9.8m/s/s, but we don’t know the exact time of the falling elevator.
Let’s throw another equation at this: Delta X (35.6616 m) = Vinitial (t) +1/2 (a)(t)^2
Again, V initial being zero, Vinitial(t) is cancelled out
Multiply both sides by two, and divide by -9.8
Square root both sides to isolate the variable
Let’s look at the sum of our information now:
V0 (Vinitial)= 0m/s
Going back to our initial equation:
Initial is again crossed out:
If Google Calculator is anything to go by, final velocity is:
-35.6616009 m/s (ground being zero)
“The average mass of an adult human is 54–64 kg (120–140 lbs) for females and 76–83 kg (168–183 lbs) for males.” –Wikipedia’s Article on “Humans”
For Murphy, let’s pick the median of the average data (59 kg) and for Dresden, let’s pick the median as well (79.5kg)
88086.67 joules of energy
calcs by Dr. Doctor aka Dualgunner aka Charlotte Inglish, though originally we made a mistake and thought it was 12 stories, later in the series it was stated to be 13 though, so the calcs were then modified appropriately. But that’s not the kind of energy your wanting so not sure if that counts….still it’s there.
and like Lowk said the C4 explosion…which was enough to completely collapse a massive cave system….
Current Merlin and Gatekepper can ward off an entire army of outsider and vampires.
“If Senior Council members McCoy and Liberty had not come to our aid, we might have all died there. Even with them, we managed to hold them only long enough for the Gatekeeper and the Merlin to raise a ward behind us, to give us time to escape.”
“A ward?” I blurted. “Are you telling me that they stonewalled an entire army of vampires and demons? With one ward?”
“You don’t get to be Merlin of the White Council by collecting bottle caps,” Ramirez said, his voice dry.
The Wardens carry swords that can
“A specter swung a club at Luccio, and she rolled with the blow, but even so took a hit to her jaw and mouth that staggered her. She recovered her balance, ducked to avoid a second swing, and once more drew the silver sword of a Warden from her hip. Again the blade sang with that buzzing power I’d sensed before, and Luccio made a clean lunge at the specter that thrust the blade though its heart. The specter arched as if in agony and then simply exploded into flashes of sickly light and falling globs of ectoplasm. Luccio swept her sword back and spun on a heel to face two more of the quasi-solid spirits.”
Dead Beat, Chap 39
“Another move brought a chiming surge of some power I could feel even from half a block away singing through the silver steel of her sword, and she flicked it lightly at the zombie’s head. The blade touched, there was a flash of light, and the zombie abruptly fell limp to the ground, the magic that had animated it disrupted and gone.”
Dead Beat, Chap 39
“If he charged me again, I wouldn’t have any choice but to fight, and he was at least as strong as me, and far more experienced-not to mention the enchantment-breaking silver sword in his hand.”
Dead Beat, Chap 40
(Stops reading long enough to pop onto the site for a quick look around)…..
……………………………………………… (I’m pretty sure there’s a limit to how many of these you can use, so you’ll just have to imagine the next five pages worth of them….)
….. No really, one side has *at least* one confirmed “God”, the other…… Doesn’t.
Harry Potter has Death, although he’s most likely folklore and likely doesn’t have an actual presence in the verse /shrug
Potterverse doesn’t have a death. Dumbledore himself says so that the Deathly Hallows were made by the Peverell brothers themselves.
“….. No really, one side has *at least* one confirmed “God”, the other…… Doesn’t.”
Some like to start it off light.
“Potterverse doesn’t have a death. Dumbledore himself says so that the Deathly Hallows were made by the Peverell brothers themselves.”
Hence why I said it was likely folklore
yeah, but even then Potterverse would be reality busted before they could based on what Mother Summer said, as as a mid tier reality warper she would know….plus there’s a reason there’s a wall keeping the Outsiders out.
Stomp Match is Stomp
dresden for fp award. again. lol
too much of a stomp. Potterverse is lucky if they take out enough cannon fodder to last more than a few hours at best.
I’m no Harry Potter expert, but wouldn’t a few loup garou werewolves be able to just….kinda walk through Hogwarts?
fight wouldn’t last long enough for a full moon to rise…Outsiders do to the Potterverse what the Daleks did to DBZ utter annihilation
“fight wouldn’t last long enough for a full moon to rise”
I assumed the OP meant that the full moon would be out.
maybe, perhaps before the Loups can actually transform then, either way the heavy hitters steamroll before invading Hogwarts even becomes a thought, hell God might beat the Outsiders to it.
he who walks behinds name or as close to it as dresden can understand. I would quote it but I don’t have the books and of course there is necromancy. the older the cropse the stronger the undead. sue is the most complete T-rex skeletons
eh, the bigger fish take care of Potterverse completely before things like Sue start getting made, the only thing Potterverse would normally have that stands a chance against anything is Dementors and there are far worse things among the Fae and Outsiders…it doesn’t help that Outsiders are resistant to most mortal magic (in other words, there’s not a thing even Potter can do against them) Dresden is just a special case…..and a few super powerful wizards can banish them and hold them out.
still do show how how bad can you get he who walks behind name from ghost story. yes the harry potter verse is done but for the luz’s of just how bad the strongest of the walkers(who I belive are the weakest type of outsiders)
I am staying out of this one as i haven’t read the new Dresden book yet. Im siding with dresdenverse however.
almost forgot to respond to this, but as far as this fight goes……stomp doesn’t cover what Dresden Files does with its full composite forces.
about he who walks behind who is always behind you and no you can’t just put your back to a wall harry tried that and it still got behind him
“I rounded the far corner of the aisle and pressed my back up against it, panting. Something hard and hot and slimy settled around my neck, a noose made of moist serpent, and just as strong. It jerked me into the air and released me almost instantly.” ” ‘you cannot escape what is always behind you’ it said”
“Malice slithered um my spine and danced in spiteful shivers over the back of my neck. I could sense the thing’s hostility-not the mindless anger of a fellow boy I’d needled beyond self-restraint or Justin’s cold, logical rage. This was something different, something vaster, more timeless, and deeper than any ocean. It was a poisonous hate, something so ancient, so vile, that it could almost kill without any orther action or being to support it, a hate so old and so virulent that it had curdled and congealed over its surface into a stinking, staggering contempt. This thing wanted to destroy me. It wanted to hurt me. It wanted to enjoy the process. And nothing I said, nothing I did, would ever, ever change that. I was somethig to be eradicated, perfeably in some amusing fashion . It had no mercy. It had no fear. And it was old, old beyond my ability to comprehend. It was patient. And if I proved too disappointing to it, I would only break through the veneer of that contempt-and what lay beneath would dissolve me like the deadliest acid, I felt . . . stained simply by feeling its presence, stained as if it had left some hideous imprint or mark upon me, one that could not be wiped away. And then it was behind me, so close it could almost touch, its outline towering over me, huge and horrible. And it leaned down. A forked tongue sliithered out from between its horrible shark-chain-saw teeth, and it whispered, im a perfectly low, calm, British accent, ‘what you have just sensed is as close as your mind can come to encompassing my name. How do you do?’
(skip a bit)
‘He,’ purred the thing, ‘Who Walks Behind.’ “
can’t believe I missed this being posted.
Potterverse wins easily nothing can survive Avada Kedavra, they’ll slaughter everything that comes their way.
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