Hei, August 7, Xiao Jie, & Luc Vs Edward Elric, Roy Mustang, Wrath, & Scar

Hei, August 7, Xiao Jie, & Luc Vs Edward Elric, Roy Mustang, Wrath, & Scar

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From Darker than Black: Hei, August 7, Xiao Jie, and Luc face off against Edward Elric, Roy Mustang, Wrath, and Scar from Full Metal Alchemist.

Fight takes place in Central City.

Civilians have been evacuated from where they are fighting.

There is no interference from the military.

Which team wins?

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61 Comments on "Hei, August 7, Xiao Jie, & Luc Vs Edward Elric, Roy Mustang, Wrath, & Scar"

  1. The Melancholy Of Fallstar Thief March 26, 2013 at 9:11 am -      #1

    Never watched/read Darker Than Black
    What can they do?

  2. Commander Cross March 26, 2013 at 9:33 am -      #2

    Well this fight looks to be promising and if nothing else, Hei vs Edward Elric could be fun.

    Initial bets are on hold for now until the DtB side arrives, but I think this has promise.

  3. Crimson Sentry March 26, 2013 at 9:42 am -      #3

    I’m gonna have to side with Fullmetals team here, their powers are too much for Darker than Black’s. The ting that throws this for me is that Fullmetal’s team has Wrath, who is an Extreme beast in combat and does not miss anything, and I mean nothing, he was not shown to have really been beaten fairly, also Edward is a huge beast, since his last fighting incarnation can use Alchemy without any circles and one handed. In addition it just takes one hit from scar to kill something, but as I said Wrath really throws this. But pretty close otherwise.

  4. sadot06 March 26, 2013 at 9:44 am -      #4

    To clarify, this is the manga Wrath, so it’s Fuher King Bradley.

    Hei manipulates electricity. He discharges through conductive media i.e. metal, liquid, etc. He’s a peak athlete, carries a knife with a long metal wire that he uses as a grappling hook and to electricute people. He also has wears a bulletproof coat.

    August 7 is a magician and his ability allows him to seemingly use real magic by manipulating the space around him. He’s been shown vanishing, going intangible, somehow being unscathed after seemingly being killed, and pulling weapons out of his body.

    Xia Jie manipulates gravity. She fights with duel swords and can alter the gravity in specific areas to move objects or crush people to death.

    Luc can solidfiy the air around him into weapons like daggers, spears, etc.

  5. Commander Cross March 26, 2013 at 9:56 am -      #5

    @Sadot at #4

    Isn’t FKB a Casual Superhuman the last I checked?
    Also did you mean for any capture the flag to be held or just straight up direct combat the old fashioned way?

  6. Crimson Sentry March 26, 2013 at 9:57 am -      #6

    Normally I would say that August 7 throws this, but wrath wouldn’t get fooled, and probably kill him in the next second, wrath is above peak human.

  7. sadot06 March 26, 2013 at 10:00 am -      #7

    @commander cross
    He’s not superhuman like the other Homculi, but certainly far above average, which is aided by his eye which let’s him anticipate movement, though he isn’t always fast enough physically to keep up with his eye, especially as he got older. And this is direct combat.

  8. sadot06 March 26, 2013 at 10:04 am -      #8

    @Crimson
    I don’t see that happening. Wrath could, for example plunge a blade through his stomach, which would harmlessly go through and then August would shoot him in the head. Wrath would have to react and if he did in time, it’d be to retreat and recalibrate his next move. If he didnt, his brains would be spalttered everywhere.

  9. Tails111 March 26, 2013 at 10:12 am -      #9

    If this is most recent incarnation….then isn’t Ed really weak now?

  10. Crimson Sentry March 26, 2013 at 10:14 am -      #10

    Though the details of his eye’s abilities have not been elaborated on, it apparently grants him tremendously accurate vision and the ability to read and predict practically any move his opponent could make as well as the minute details and movements of his general surroundings. The eye’s only weakness is that when there is a physical obstacle blocking its path, it is unable to provide Wrath with the predictions it normally would. Additionally, he has pointed out on multiple occasions that, while his eye is capable of reading any situation, his own aging body is often unable to keep up with the projected courses of action that his sight ability proposes to him.
    -
    After going back and doing a bit more research I found out he only died from getting his eye cut which inhibited his ability.

  11. Crimson Sentry March 26, 2013 at 10:15 am -      #11

    @tails
    I assume he means the most recent competent incarnation, ed doesn’t ave alchemy in the most recent incarnation and mustang is blind.

  12. Crimson Sentry March 26, 2013 at 10:17 am -      #12

    @sado
    I would even go as far as to say that wrath is a direct counter to Augest 7, because sleight of hand and mis direction will not work on wrath, in fact I don’t see Augest 7 even being able to go on the offensive with wrath giving him potential fatal slashes every two seconds.

  13. Crimson Sentry March 26, 2013 at 10:31 am -      #13

    Wrath can kill any of his haemonculi breathren with ease, without breaking a sweat, even with their regen he stomps them. This is because he has no weakness at all, and as long as his eyes intact, anything without superhuman speed can’t kill him. He has cut bullets and tank shells mid flight.
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    This isn’t to say this fight is a stomp, I think it’s just even enough to where Wrath tips the balance.

  14. itcheyness March 26, 2013 at 11:15 am -      #14

    Doesn’t wrath also have the typical Haemonculi regen?
    -
    Or am I remembering wrong?

  15. Crimson Sentry March 26, 2013 at 11:19 am -      #15

    Nope he’s the only one who doesn’t, hence why he can age. But he doesn’t really need it, check out some videos online, you’ll see what I’m talking about

  16. The Melancholy Of Fallstar Thief March 26, 2013 at 11:20 am -      #16

    Cant Mustang incinerate people with a snap of his fingers?
    I seem to remember him repeatedly doing this to to lust(?)

  17. sadot06 March 26, 2013 at 11:45 am -      #18

    One of Wrath’s best feats, slicing a tank shell in half was anime only. But he is still tough. But August 7th doesn’t use sleight of hand. He manipulates the space around him. He can for instance go intangible while physically holding something. By fight rules Ed and Mustang are in the most recent incarnations when they are physically capable of battling so Mustang can see and Ed can still use alchemy. I think Xiao is the perfect counter to Mustang as she can crush him to death before he can generate fire.

  18. itcheyness March 26, 2013 at 11:45 am -      #19

    If Mustang gets wet he’s pretty much useless though unless he has a way to make a spark (like a lighter).

  19. Crimson Sentry March 26, 2013 at 12:32 pm -      #20

    @sado
    after reading up on august he can only manipulate the space directly around him. which means that if someone hits with a large attack that encompasses an area he will get smoked (aka Roy Mustang).

  20. Doktor Doctor March 26, 2013 at 12:34 pm -      #21

    “If Mustang gets wet he’s pretty much useless though unless he has a way to make a spark (like a lighter).”
    At the same time, if you miss you just armed him with all the hydrogen he needs to burn the fuck out of you.

  21. Crimson Sentry March 26, 2013 at 12:37 pm -      #22

    to be honest I don’t see anyone on the Darker than Black team, the fullmetal team doesn’t have a counter to.

  22. Doktor Doctor March 26, 2013 at 12:40 pm -      #23

    I don’t really know anyone on the DtB team.
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    Knowing FP, someday the fans of DtB will come on here and say the reverse. :/

  23. Crimson Sentry March 26, 2013 at 12:54 pm -      #24

    They can try but i can prove why for fullmetal.
    -
    BTW Wrath is super human to a slight degree, he can run up the side of building, I don’t think peak humans can do that.

  24. sadot06 March 26, 2013 at 1:01 pm -      #25

    “to be honest I don’t see anyone on the Darker than Black team, the fullmetal team doesn’t have a counter to.”

    Xiao would curbstomp Edward, Scar, and Mustang one on one. That’s kind of an issue for their team.

  25. Crimson Sentry March 26, 2013 at 1:09 pm -      #26

    @sado I disagree
    Mustang is the counter to him,
    mustang just needs to click his fingers together and immolate her and to be honest since edward only needs 1 hand to use alchemy, if he’s lying flat on the ground from her gravity manipulation he only has to put his palms on the ground to make spikes or a morter

  26. Spectral Observer March 26, 2013 at 1:11 pm -      #27

    Holy damn a DtB match? Sweet!

  27. Crimson Sentry March 26, 2013 at 1:13 pm -      #28

    I mean to be honest if she has the ability to instantly crush and opponent to death, so fast they can react, then this match would be a bit unfair, but I don’t think her ability to crush anyone to pulp is instant.

  28. Crimson Sentry March 26, 2013 at 1:14 pm -      #29

    *they can’t react

  29. Crimson Sentry March 26, 2013 at 1:14 pm -      #30

    *but I don’t think she has the ability

  30. sadot06 March 26, 2013 at 1:21 pm -      #31
  31. sadot06 March 26, 2013 at 1:39 pm -      #32

    I just rewatched the episode she appears in. Xiao’s ability actually activates faster than Mustang can click his fingers and I don’t see how Ed could use alchemy if he can’t actually move any part of his body.

  32. Crimson Sentry March 26, 2013 at 1:43 pm -      #33

    I disagree, she has to motion with her swords first, what to stop any of the other team from countering her in that time period especially mustang, who would just kill her in one snap

  33. Crimson Sentry March 26, 2013 at 1:52 pm -      #34

    After watching the episode where she initially appeared in it doesn’t seem like her gravity power is very powerful at all. She just seems to weight an area around the target to be very heavy, it doesn’t even put Hei on his knees initially, I think that any of the Fullmetal team would have ample time to react

  34. Crimson Sentry March 26, 2013 at 2:09 pm -      #35

    Although it does debilitate movement quite a bit, but Mustang would have to have his movement completely inhibited to be defeated.

  35. Crimson Sentry March 26, 2013 at 3:00 pm -      #36

    @sado actually later in the same episode, start watching at 14:45 and you’l see he dodges her ability.

  36. Draco March 26, 2013 at 3:49 pm -      #37

    Wrath explained what his eye did in Brotherhood. Said something like it could percieve the weakness’ of his enemy.
    I didn’t read the manga, but i watched the majority of brotherhood which is based more on the manga than the original FMA anime.
    -
    Wrath went head to head with Ling and his ninja friend. It was an interesting fight.
    -
    Scar just needs to get his hands on someone in order to cause major damage by deconstruction.
    -
    But here, Edward and Mustang are the heavy hitters with their alchemy. It was shown earlier that Mustang could reduce the majority of the team to cinders with just a snap of his fingers from what he did to Lust.
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    -
    Hei’s electricity would do well. But he has to get a hit in with his grapple hook in which I doubt that most of team 2 would get hit. Ed would try to block with his Automail arm but end up shocked. Wrath would know better, Mustang wouldn’t want to get hit with it. and Scar would be the same.
    The only character that might get hit with it would be Ed because he’d try blocking.
    -
    Team DtB would need to work together well in order to pull a win.

  37. Crimson Sentry March 26, 2013 at 3:58 pm -      #38

    @draco
    brotherhood is essentially identical to the manga, I’ve read and watched both. That was the intent of the reboot brother hood series.

  38. sadot06 March 26, 2013 at 4:02 pm -      #39

    @Crimson

    She doesn’t need to motion with her swords. If you watched past the point where he dodges, she stops screwing around and lifts him up and then immediately crushes him into the ground. Then she leaves him pinned there so she can question him. He was unable to doge this one, it’s a versatile attack. In the begnining she just was going to keep him still long enough to impale him.

  39. sadot06 March 26, 2013 at 4:03 pm -      #40

    Also Mustang isn’t remotely as mobile as Hei is by any stretch of the imagination.

  40. Zazax March 26, 2013 at 4:10 pm -      #41

    “It was shown earlier that Mustang could reduce the majority of the team to cinders with just a snap of his fingers from what he did to Lust.”
    I believe Brotherhood shows Mustang demolishing entire buildings (and everyone in them) by himself during the Ishvalan War. Not sure if the manga does the same.

  41. Spectral Observer March 26, 2013 at 4:55 pm -      #42

    I don’t think Hei would do all that badly against Scar at all. Just like Ed’s alchemy can cancel Scar’s deconstruction, Hei’s power (his actual power, matter manipulation) can cancel out the powers of a contractor who can deconstruct matter.
    ===
    www.mangareader.net/716-45559-4/darker-than-black-shikkoku-no-hana/chapter-13.html
    -
    www.mangareader.net/716-45559-6/darker-than-black-shikkoku-no-hana/chapter-13.html
    -
    www.mangareader.net/darker-than-black-shikkoku-no-hana/28/
    ===
    That’s Harvest. I’m trying to find the scan where He and Hei clash and their powers cancel each other out. This is probably a much more useful ability that Hei has though:
    ===
    www.mangareader.net/darker-than-black-shikkoku-no-hana/33/2

  42. Spectral Observer March 26, 2013 at 5:00 pm -      #43
  43. Draco March 26, 2013 at 5:02 pm -      #44

    @Zaza
    During the Ishvalen war most every alchemist was equipped with a Philosepher’s stone, so unless he didn’t have one in his possession at the time he wouldn’t be able to do it since it’s not part of his equipment.
    -
    @Crimson
    I suspected as much.
    -
    -
    @Sadot
    It doesn’t matter if Mustang is mobile enough or not, his attacks have a huge area of effect.
    This could be pinned up as she just chained her attack and got him. The Alchemist would need their hands immobalized and away from the ground. All it takes for Roy is a snap and it takes care of the rest.
    For Ed, he needs to touch the ground. Which the gravity will already be helping him do.

  44. sadot06 March 26, 2013 at 8:34 pm -      #46

    “It doesn’t matter if Mustang is mobile enough or not, his attacks have a huge area of effect.
    This could be pinned up as she just chained her attack and got him. The Alchemist would need their hands immobalized and away from the ground. All it takes for Roy is a snap and it takes care of the rest.
    For Ed, he needs to touch the ground. Which the gravity will already be helping him do.”
    _______________________________________
    His mobility does matter. She can use gravity bending faster than he can attack. Ed’s alchemy is a bit more than just touching the ground too. She won’t be holding back like she did with Hei because she wanted intel. They’d be crushed against the concrete and their bones would shatter.

  45. Crimson Sentry March 26, 2013 at 8:59 pm -      #47

    @sado
    Hei is very mobile, but against wrath he’s got nothing, since wrath can anticipate his movements

  46. sadot06 March 26, 2013 at 9:02 pm -      #48

    Fortunately Hei is resourceful and Wrath needs to be able to keep up with his eye.

  47. Crimson Sentry March 26, 2013 at 10:04 pm -      #49

    dude it matters not, as long as you aren’t physically faster than wrath he can’t get away, they are both peak human, and wrath is more than peak human in my opinion. In the fullmetal manga and anime, no one could best him until that eye got busted

  48. Hermit March 26, 2013 at 10:36 pm -      #50

    Is this Brotherhood, or manga FMA?
    .
    While Brotherhood is an anime adaptation of the manga, there are some differences in some scenes (Ed has much better feats in the anime).
    -
    Ed has made statues out of the ground and made them come to life, just saying.
    .
    www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v001/c002/28.html
    www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v001/c002/29.html
    www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v001/c002/30.html
    .
    He’s also got fast reflexes. It would take less than a second for the mad priest to get his aim right, Ed knelt down and transmuted a wall in that time.
    www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v001/c002/9.html
    www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v001/c002/10.html
    .
    He’s also made traps in the same amount of time (relatively speaking)
    .
    www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v008/c033/28.html
    www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v008/c033/29.html
    .
    “They’d be crushed against the concrete and their bones would shatter.”
    .
    I don’t know about Mustang, but Ed’s taken building busting explosions at point blank range and walked out of it unharmed.
    www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v008/c033/21.html
    www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v008/c033/22.html
    .
    As of the end of the Brotherhood, Scar can now do all the things that a normal alchemist can do (he got a new tattoo on his left arm that let’s him transmute things)
    .
    By the way, Central City looks like a very rough circle. Do you know of people who can do horrible things with a circle?
    Alchemists.
    .
    media.animevice.com/uploads/0/4479/347510-untitled_1.png
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    Though I’ve watched both series, I only kept up with Darker Than Black to about halfway through the series.
    I have to ask, what is the true extent of Hei’s powers?

  49. Spectral Observer March 26, 2013 at 11:29 pm -      #51
  50. sadot06 March 27, 2013 at 8:16 am -      #52

    “While Brotherhood is an anime adaptation of the manga, there are some differences in some scenes (Ed has much better feats in the anime).
    -
    Ed has made statues out of the ground and made them come to life, just saying.
    .
    www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v001/c002/28.html
    www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v001/c002/29.html
    www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v001/c002/30.html
    .
    He’s also got fast reflexes. It would take less than a second for the mad priest to get his aim right, Ed knelt down and transmuted a wall in that time.
    www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v001/c002/9.html
    www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v001/c002/10.html
    .
    He’s also made traps in the same amount of time (relatively speaking)
    .
    www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v008/c033/28.html
    www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v008/c033/29.html
    .
    “They’d be crushed against the concrete and their bones would shatter.”
    .
    I don’t know about Mustang, but Ed’s taken building busting explosions at point blank range and walked out of it unharmed.
    www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v008/c033/21.html
    www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v008/c033/22.html
    .
    As of the end of the Brotherhood, Scar can now do all the things that a normal alchemist can do (he got a new tattoo on his left arm that let’s him transmute things)
    .
    By the way, Central City looks like a very rough circle. Do you know of people who can do horrible things with a circle?
    Alchemists.
    .
    media.animevice.com/uploads/0/4479/347510-untitled_1.png
    -
    Though I’ve watched both series, I only kept up with Darker Than Black to about halfway through the series.
    I have to ask, what is the true extent of Hei’s powers?”

    This is manga adaptation.

    Also the priest scan wasn’t very impressive considering all the talking and showing off he was doing. That’s all not tanking an explosion. He was not backward it seems by the shockwave, which isn’t the same as being crushing by gravity. And how is the city being shaped like a circle going to help them in this fight?

    And I don’t know what Scar can actually do with the other tatoo, I only recall seeming him deconstruct. And Hei’s ability is matter/electrical manipulation.

  51. sadot06 March 27, 2013 at 8:28 am -      #53

    “dude it matters not, as long as you aren’t physically faster than wrath he can’t get away, they are both peak human, and wrath is more than peak human in my opinion. In the fullmetal manga and anime, no one could best him until that eye got busted”
    _______________________________

    You’re kind of overrating him. If the eye is faster than he is, then there will be times when he can’t keep up. Also the “no one could best him” bit doesn’t fly here. Nobody that we saw him fight in Fullmetal bested him until he got bested and his eye was damaged. And his eye would be damaged going by incarnation before death/incapcitation.

  52. Hermit March 27, 2013 at 8:36 am -      #54

    “And how is the city being shaped like a circle going to help them in this fight? ”
    .
    Transmutation circles mate.
    .
    “And I don’t know what Scar can actually do with the other tatoo, I only recall seeming him deconstruct.”
    .
    I just told you, he can do things all alchemists can do, except he only needs to use his left hand.

  53. sadot06 March 27, 2013 at 10:09 am -      #55

    @Hermit

    I recall giant circles only being relevant if you’re creating a large scale philosophers stone. How does this help them while they’re fighting?

    I meant actual feats for Scar with the new arm tatoo.

  54. Spectral Observer March 27, 2013 at 12:45 pm -      #56

    Having been exposed to the Gate of Truth, Mustang’s also capable of clap-activated alchemy:
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    www.mangareader.net/116-51515-27/full-metal-alchemist/chapter-107.html
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    www.mangareader.net/116-51515-28/full-metal-alchemist/chapter-107.html

  55. sadot06 March 27, 2013 at 1:24 pm -      #57

    I can’t see the images on those scans

  56. Hermit March 27, 2013 at 7:59 pm -      #58

    @ Spectral
    Use mangahere.com

  57. suntan50 March 28, 2013 at 9:21 pm -      #59

    The circle would help with preparation, like how it helped Father in Brotherhood, and, though I haven’t read much of the manga, I assume the “alchemy power being blocked by a giant Philosopher’s stone” is in effect? This blockade was removed in the last episode. That would mean that everyone in Team 2, including Wrath, can use Advanced Alchemy. Team 1 has no chance.

    Scar deconstructs the atoms in the things he destroys, presumably into Hydrogen because there’s rarely any visible leftover matter when he breaks things.

    To be able to counteract that would mean Hei would be able to create a fusion reaction with the air, which would cause a nuclear explosion. He cannot because he manipulates ELECTRONS, so he can only bond that Hydrogen to itself or other elements pairable with it, and that’s only if it’s not H2. That would make a compound or mixture, quite probably water or ammonia, but not a cell or tissues. Maybe if he was lucky, he’d be able to make a bit of carbon monoxide, but that’s assuming that he can choose what he can select for his powers to fuse.

    Hei would not be able to reconstruct himself from Scar’s attacks. He’d be able to give Mustang more fuel to burn.

    Also, this is Central we’re talking about. Team 1 has Hometown Advantage.

  58. suntan50 March 28, 2013 at 9:26 pm -      #60

    And it means FMA rules of Physics and Chemistry apply, and these rules are very similar to our own. After all, Amestris is an AU Germany.

  59. Robro 3000 April 16, 2013 at 3:57 pm -      #61

    FMA loses because they’re the terrible 2003 incarnations.

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