Master Chief Vs Urdnot Wrex

Master Chief Vs Urdnot Wrex

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Urdnot Wrex (Mass Effect) and Master Chief (Halo) engage each other in Mos Eisely. Both are savvy to the general factpile rules and understand that they must kill each other or be denied the chance to return to their respective realities.

Gear pick ups are available for both through out the city, although attempts to use any weapons which they may pick up that original from star wars won’t work. They both begin with an understanding of this. They may only use gear from their own universes. They both begin with their standard weapons. MC his rifle, Wrex his shotgun.

Items laying around for Wrex include but are not limited to new ammo types, grenades, the other three weapon types, ect. Master Chief’s items include but are not limited to the plethora of guns and weaponry we are all familiar with.

Who wins?

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411 Comments on "Master Chief Vs Urdnot Wrex"

  1. Mr. Winchester April 5, 2013 at 8:24 am -      #1

    First of all, FIRST POST.

    and wow master chief hasn’t been in a match for a while on factpile.

    And since this is mos Easley

    I’m going with Master Cheif shot first.

  2. VunderGuy April 5, 2013 at 8:41 am -      #2

    @Mr. Winchester

    Considering he has the superior reflexes and reaction time, he probably would.

    The question though is the usual. Kinetic barriers vs gun-powder propellant based assault rifle with kinetic energy output roughly equivalent to that of an armor piercring AK-47 per bullet vs shotgun with mass accelerated rounds vs Energy Shielding and plasma based weapons vs kinetic barriers and yadda-yadda-yadda this debate is gonna stink.

  3. Mr. Winchester April 5, 2013 at 8:45 am -      #3

    @vunder guy

    yeah i hate it when that shitstorm happens but i want to say MC has better armor than Urdnot

  4. VunderGuy April 5, 2013 at 8:47 am -      #4

    @Winchester

    Dude…you know you just caused that storm to happen, right?

  5. Mr. Winchester April 5, 2013 at 8:48 am -      #5

    @vunderguy

    It was inevitable regardless

  6. VunderGuy April 5, 2013 at 9:01 am -      #6

    @Mr.Winchester

    I know, but darn it! YOU didn’t have to be the one to start it!

  7. Mr. Winchester April 5, 2013 at 9:06 am -      #7

    @vunderguy

    ok ok sorry

  8. Virgil April 5, 2013 at 9:49 am -      #8

    @Mr. Winchester
    -
    And so it begins… So Chief is allowed to use any weapon in the Halo Universe that he has used before? Am I correct in saying that?

  9. SgCombine April 5, 2013 at 9:51 am -      #9

    “kinetic energy output roughly equivalent to that of an armor piercring AK-47 per bullet ”
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    The 7.62×51 fired by the MA5C has almost twice the KE output of an AK-47′s 762x39mm.
    -
    MA5C 7.62×51 FMJ
    Weight – 9.53 grams
    Velocity – 905 m/s
    KE output – 3.9 kilo-joules
    -
    AK-47 7.62×39 FMJ
    Weight – 7.9 grams
    Velocity – 730 m/s
    KE output – 2.1 kilo-joules
    -
    Sauces
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62%C3%9739mm
    halo.bungie.net/news/content.aspx?cid=12234
    Calculator
    www.csgnetwork.com/kineticenergycalc.html

  10. Mr. Winchester April 5, 2013 at 9:53 am -      #10

    @virgil

    it looked like they each start out with their usual cuple of weapons but could pick up all the weapons theyve ever used laying around battle zone

  11. Virgil April 5, 2013 at 9:58 am -      #11

    So considering it says on the top that just about every weapon in the Halo Universe is around there let us start with plasma and such. Before that though, what EXACTLY can kinetic barriers block except of course the obvious, kinetic energy from weapons?

  12. Mr. Winchester April 5, 2013 at 10:00 am -      #12

    @virgil

    And here we go its starting

  13. SgCombine April 5, 2013 at 10:10 am -      #13

    “what EXACTLY can kinetic barriers block except of course the obvious, kinetic energy from weapons?”
    -
    I know they can’t block Lasers or Particle Beam weapons, and I think if it has low mass and comes slowly it can get through (like air), so Plasma might be able to get through, considering how slow it is.

  14. Messmaker April 5, 2013 at 10:23 am -      #14

    Cheif will probably win this, but i dont think his sheild has the ablility to stop an element Z powered weapon. if wrex uses the sniper rifle or surprises cheif (it is possible), it’ll probably kill him.

  15. SgCombine April 5, 2013 at 10:28 am -      #15

    @Messmaker
    Well both characters have plenty of weapons scattered around Mos Eisley that can one shot the other, so don’t count Wrex out yet. Plus Chief really needs to ditch his rifle fast and grab a power weapon cause I doubt the MA5D can kills Wrex before Wrex kills him.

  16. Eric Gigliotti April 5, 2013 at 10:34 am -      #16

    “I know they can’t block Lasers or Particle Beam weapons, and I think if it has low mass and comes slowly it can get through (like air), so Plasma might be able to get through, considering how slow it is.”
    .
    Plasma radiates heat. Just because the physical mass does not impact Wrex does not mean Wrex won’t take thermal damage to his armor/body. When the plasma hits the kinetic barrier, it will lose cohesion and will create a thermal cloud around Wrex.
    .
    Kinetic barriers still allow blows from weapons/punches through. Going on visuals with no math to back up the statement, I believe the velocity of a well trained punch is in the ballpark of the velocity of Covenant plasma weapons (not including the carbine and beam rifle). So Covenant plasma should be low enough to pass through Wrex’s kinetic barriers.
    .
    The Chief has range advantage from the beginning (AR vs shotgun). Wrex will have to close on him whereas the Chief can suppress him from a distance. He also had an advantage with most weapon v weapon scenarios over Wrex. This comes down to whoever gets the bigger weapon first. However, the Chief has a vastly superior mobility advantage over Wrex. And I don’t recall any strength feats which put Wrex near the Chief so CQC is a win for his as well. I think the Chief takes this 80% of the time.

  17. SgCombine April 5, 2013 at 10:38 am -      #17

    “I believe the velocity of a well trained punch is in the ballpark of the velocity of Covenant plasma weapons”
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    IIRC the fastes punch is around 15 m/s, compared to the 126 m/s of a Covenant Plasma bolt.
    -
    “So Covenant plasma should be low enough to pass through Wrex’s kinetic barriers.”
    -
    Thats what I was saying.

  18. Crimson Sentry April 5, 2013 at 10:40 am -      #18

    Dam this is a great match here are the advantages I see for each individual.
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    Master Cheif:
    1. Speed – His spartan Bullshittery will make him faster.
    2 Agility – Master Chief’s reflexes are superior to Wrexs due to biology and Spartan bs.
    3. Weapons Training – Master Chief is more proficient with a greater array of weapons of various types than Urdnot (aka, sniper)
    -
    Wrex:
    1. Biotic – Being a biotic in this match will definitely be able to help wrex get to master chief easier (aka warp, throw, stasis)
    2. Toughness – Due to being a biotic he has similar shielding to master chief in the respect that he has a rechargeable barrier before you breach his armor. So in the end the fact the Urdnot’s biology is tougher (redundant organs) than even master chiefs spartan enhanced tips the toughness balance in his favor.
    3. Combat Experience – Now this might be a shocker, but Krogan live for a fuck long time, they just generally die from combat before they get too old. Urdnot is the exception, he has survived constant warring and fighting for over 350 years as just mentioned in the most recent timeline, HOWEVER ——>>>>> This is how old he really is:
    -
    ————-When you choose the Paragon statement when meeting with the Delatress and the new Primarch, and I quote, “The Genophage has gone on long enough,” and Wrex comments on top of that, “1076 years…if you’re keeping track.” …. I don’t know about you, but I think only someone who’s been there during day one of the Genophage and prior to that would know how long the Genophage has plagued his species. So I’m concluding he really is about over 1200 years old. The Omniscent Shadow of the Moon 16:34, May 16, 2012 (UTC)————– AND in addition to this most other mass effect fanboys agree that he is a bit over a thousand years a old
    -
    SO ANYWAY, long story short, he has had more continuous combat experience than Master Chief, who was in stasis for quite of bit of time anyway.
    -
    Tied Abilities:
    Endurance – Both have exceptional endurance, which haven’t been truly tested but seem very comparable for all intents and purposes
    Strength – Whereas Master Cheif is very strong due to his enhanced Spartan physiology, Wrex is strong due to natural biology, whereas I don’t have strength feats for either one, I think you guys will find that if you look them up they’ll come up comparable.
    -
    Final Analysis:
    Both are incredible combatants, but in the end I think Wrex takes this because:
    1. Even if Chief got a sniper rifle there is soooo much cover in Mos Eisley, and with Wrex’s centuries of battle experience I’m pretty sure he’d be competent in closing the gap.
    2. Once he closed the gap, he could put an additional biotic barrier to further increase his resiliance, and then just start blamming away at chief with his shot gun, and if he really wanted to he could throw chief or freeze chief with his biotics. So unless chief could get a few clean shots with a rocket launcher off I’d say this fight is…..
    EDGE: URNOT WREX

  19. SgCombine April 5, 2013 at 10:47 am -      #19

    Just wondering, are armor abilities allowed for Chief? An auto-sentry or hologram could provide a few seconds of distraction, and he should definitely have one since Wrex has biotics.

  20. Eric Gigliotti April 5, 2013 at 10:54 am -      #20

    “Endurance – Both have exceptional endurance, which haven’t been truly tested but seem very comparable for all intents and purposes”
    .
    The Chief fought on Reach where he saw most of his fellow Spartans get glassed. Then he fought for his very survival on Halo where he had to come up against the Flood. Then destroyed Halo, killing all of the UNSC personnel still alive. Then he boarded and helped take over a Covenant flagship. Then he landed on Reach and rescued a few Spartans. Then he assaulted a massive Covenant battle station. That’s physically and mentally exhausting.
    .
    “IIRC the fastes punch is around 15 m/s, compared to the 126 m/s of a Covenant Plasma bolt.”
    .
    Some people can do a “snapping punch” where their hand actually breaks the sound barrier. But I’m not sure how effective of a punch it is.

  21. Crimson Sentry April 5, 2013 at 11:05 am -      #21

    @eric
    Yea that is definitely notable for endurance, but to be honest never has either combatant ever shown a sign of fatigue.

  22. Virgil April 5, 2013 at 11:11 am -      #22

    The thing is that even with that “cover” in Mos Eisley Chief can just go around jumping on roof tops… They are so close together that it would be simple for him to circumvent any cover that Wrex may have. Wrex on the other hand lacks the reflexes and speed that Chief has meaning that Chief could easily just run away or flank him if he tried the same thing. I think that with his superior speed/reflexes he’ll be able to circumvent most advantages that Wrex has.
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    @SgCombine
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    It says in the top “gear” so that in fact reflects armor abilities. I don’t see why he can’t use them.
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    @Crimson Sentry
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    MC is in no way limited to the sniper rifle and as details above cover is no issue for him… As for MC requiring the rocket launcher to take down Wrex there are always other weapons… For example the Incinerator Cannon which destroys/dissolves (Don’t remember which and I can’t check because the school network blocks stuff about guns) matter itself. That circumvents his cover and shields I believe and is an EASY one shot KO.

  23. UnauditedCloud April 5, 2013 at 11:19 am -      #23

    The MC’s got one thing that Wrex doesn’t which will really be a determining factor, Agility. Krogans have the nasty habit of being walking tank. Their tough as hell, but also slow and cumbersome.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNZSeim2nqo
    In the Halo 4 intro, at 2:06 you see the MC taking on a gravity hammer wielding Brute Chieftain in hand to hand combat in a field of dead Brutes from which one can assume is the aftermath of the Starry Night trailer.

    That’s the point I’m making. Even if old Wrexy can get close enough to the MC to use his shotgun, that just makes it even more of a dangerous situation to him. At that close of a range, all MC will be is a green blur to him.

  24. SgCombine April 5, 2013 at 11:19 am -      #24

    “It says in the top “gear” so that in fact reflects armor abilities. I don’t see why he can’t use them.”
    -
    Must have switched gear with weapons in my mind when I read over it. Anyway, does Wrex have a helmet? If not, Chief could sit in a corner with active camo and an Incinerator Cannon or something.

  25. Khazit April 5, 2013 at 11:31 am -      #25

    Couldn’t wrex hit him with a homing warp, though?

  26. Crimson Sentry April 5, 2013 at 11:34 am -      #26

    @virgil
    I apologize I was just thinking of the standard issue UMSC weaponry, I to be honest if you put forerunner tech into the mix it’s just bullshit, because then it’s a tech battle.
    -
    @Sauroposeiden
    Yo man can you change the weaponry available, this shouldn’t be a tech battle, the only stuff you have access to in the mass effect series is standard alliance weaponry.

  27. Eric Gigliotti April 5, 2013 at 11:35 am -      #27

    How does bionics work? Is it thought control or do you have to activate equipment? I haven’t read the books and I don’t recall an explanation in the games.

  28. SgCombine April 5, 2013 at 11:36 am -      #28

    @Khazit
    How fast does that travel? As others have mentioned, Chief is very fast and there’s plenty of cover in Mos Eisley.

  29. lancer_AR April 5, 2013 at 11:56 am -      #29

    Would Wrex know warp and other such powers or are the ones he can use in game the only one he knows?

  30. Crimson Sentry April 5, 2013 at 11:57 am -      #30

    Bionics is like he force it is a latent ability you will, to be honest it’d just take one stasis from wrex to lock MC down, then he just shoots a shotgun at him at point blank range, but if MC is allowed to noob tube Wrex with forerunner tech then this fight is a waste of time, although it’s my personal belief that Wrex wouldn’t get caught off guard so easily, how ever I think that if I tried to argue that I’d be over run by rampant fanboyism. Also keep in mind his biotic ability warp lock tracks the target.

  31. Crimson Sentry April 5, 2013 at 11:58 am -      #31

    @lancer
    I think we have to assume that he can only use the ones he displayed knowledge of in the games.

  32. Richard Rider April 5, 2013 at 12:48 pm -      #32

    Master Chief activates the Halos!!!! :)

  33. Krypto Lowk April 5, 2013 at 12:50 pm -      #33

    Wrex shotgun
    i14.photobucket.com/albums/a308/DrizztDoUrdenFan/Wrex/tumblr_m1zjrm2vgc1rruop4o1_500.gif
    Claymore, It essentially the upper end of Mass Effect weaponry.
    The Claymore used to be a hard-hitting but poor-selling shotgun due to kickback problems snapping the arms of anyone but krogan firing the weapon. After a rehaul of its kinetic dampening system, the Claymore is being rolled out again. As a way to lure back customers, the gun’s manufacturer has lowered the shotgun’s selling price without skimping on its stopping-power.
    ===
    Krogan physical stats

    Strength
    www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-K3D2mzL4jo
    -
    www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pSw57iL-WtA#t=440s
    ===
    Mature Krogan(which Wrex is) regen
    “Krogan Warlords have earned the dubious distinction of being the elder statesmen of the species. They hold little regard for the honor that other races often display in combat, resorting to hostage-taking and genocide when victory is at stake. Warlords lug battle hammers onto the field to make quick and brutal work of enemies foolish enough to stick around, and their maturity gives them unsurpassed regenerative capabilities, making them extremely difficult to kill when enraged.”
    ===
    Krogan Speed
    Moves from in front of them to beside guy before he’s able to react.
    ““Five,” Aria stated, her voice making it clear the number wasn’t open for negotiation. “Nobody pays five percent!” the third turian objected, taking an angry step forward as his hand dropped to the pistol clipped to his hip. In a flash the krogan was beside him, his mammoth eight-foot frame looming over the smaller man. Slowly, the turian’s hand fell away from his weapon. Everybody else remained frozen until Aria gave a slight nod. The turian took a careful step back. A second later the krogan grunted, then did the same.”
    ME: Retribution, Page 42
    -
    Run faster then humans
    “Grayson broke into a run, and seconds later three armed krogan burst from the warehouse in pursuit. Despite their massive bulk they could run much faster than humans, their muscular legs powering them along.”
    ME: Retribution, Page 252
    ===
    Krogan Durability
    www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TLSZ6pmJiWk#t=144s
    ===
    Biotics
    Biotic Barrier
    “The warehouse erupted with the thunder of gunfire as Orgun’s troops got over the initial shock of the
    unexpected attack. Grayson responded by throwing up a biotic barrier, the air around him shimmering
    with the sudden release of energy. The bullets were devoured by the powerful gravitational field, losing
    their momentum instantly and dropping harmlessly to the ground.”

    ME: Retribution, Pg. 248
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    What a biotic Krogan battlemaster are able to do with a 10 seconds of charging
    “Ignoring the constant gunfire, the krogan stopped less than ten meters away from the APC. Every muscle in his body tensed as he began to focus his biotic abilities. The reaction triggered an automatic biofeedback response in the amplification modules surgically implanted throughout his nervous system. He began to gather dark energy, drawing it in and trapping it the way a black hole traps light. It took almost ten full seconds for the power to build to maximum capacity. Then Skarr thrust forward with a fist, hurling it toward his target.
    The overturned APC launched into the air, flying over the heads of the stunned Alliance marines to land a dozen meters behind them. They were caught off guard, completely surprised and totally exposed by the unexpected maneuver. Nothing in their training had prepared them for this. Uncertain how to react, they simply froze: a small group huddled together, crouching in the sand.
    They would have been gunned down right then were it not for the fact that their enemy was just as surprised as they. The mercs had stopped shooting, watching in utter amazement as the krogan biotic had simply hurled the four-ton APC out of the way.”

    ME: Revelation, pg. 273

  34. ReDruM April 5, 2013 at 12:51 pm -      #34

    I’m going with Urdnot.
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    “I think we have to assume that he can only use the ones he displayed knowledge of in the games.”
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    Thing is during cutscense we see biotic using powers not part of their move lists. The limit in powers are only for gameplay purposes as to not make certain characters redundant. It goes by what implant they have plugged into them which in the case of Krogan Battlemasters such as Wrex the L-5 which is the Vanguard class. Meaning he has Lift, Throw, Stasis, Warp, Barrier, Pull, Charge, and Shockwave. MC is toast here since he’ll never get through both Wrex’s shield, Barrier, and armor before Wrex hits him with a Stasis or a Lift. And if Lift is combined with Warp or Throw MC pops like a balloon.
    -
    As for distance Wrex would be able to close the distance with biotic Charge while knocking the Chief on his ass. That combined with any of his ammo types is also a dead MC.

  35. Krypto Lowk April 5, 2013 at 12:53 pm -      #35

    Wrex fought a Asari commando and ended up wrecking a space station.
    Chief Seems to enjoy the sight of things blowing up.
    I feel sorry for Mos Eisely.

  36. Krypto Lowk April 5, 2013 at 12:57 pm -      #36

    Wrex saving Shepard

  37. TheBoss April 5, 2013 at 12:58 pm -      #37

    “I feel sorry for Mos Eisely.”
    -
    “You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.”

  38. ZomBush's Baked Beans April 5, 2013 at 12:59 pm -      #38

    Is Mos Eisley populated for this? Like is the local Stormtrooper garrison there? Because if they are, due to the Empire’s xenophobic nature they would definitely react hostilely towards Wrex, alot less so to Master Chief.

  39. Krypto Lowk April 5, 2013 at 1:02 pm -      #39

    “Meaning he has Lift, Throw, Stasis, Warp, Barrier, Pull, Charge, and Shockwave.”
    -
    And Lift grenade.
    Also Stimulant Pack which increases shield strength and weapon power.

  40. Krypto Lowk April 5, 2013 at 1:05 pm -      #40

    “Is Mos Eisley populated for this?”
    -
    Doesn’t seem so. Unless it’s mentioned I think the places are deserted.

  41. SgCombine April 5, 2013 at 1:32 pm -      #41

    @Lowk
    “Unless it’s mentioned I think the places are deserted.”
    -
    I’m not so sure about that, the OP seems to imply their are inhabitants, otherwise he wouldn’t have added this.
    -
    “although attempts to use any weapons which they may pick up that original from star wars won’t work”

  42. UnauditedCloud April 5, 2013 at 2:03 pm -      #42

    Seeing as biotics have the tracking capabilities of a plasma pistol, and there is a surplus amount of cover in Mos Eisley, I see Wrex having trouble hitting the MC with any sort of Biotics. To put it simply, Wrex is a Battle club, designed to deal massive amounts of brutal damage, while the MC is Katana, fast accurate, and deadly, you won’t know what hit you until it’s too late.

  43. Krypto Lowk April 5, 2013 at 2:21 pm -      #43

    “Seeing as biotics have the tracking capabilities of a plasma pistol”
    -
    Really? I’ve never seen or been able to hit people around corners and behind cover with a plasma pistol like I have with biotics.
    Not only that but some biotic powers can be stretch to be an area of effect. Some of which can be as big as 5 meters. Plus he’s got biotics that work function like throwing grenades which he could chuck around corners or over stuff as well.

    Not only that but Biotics aren’t exactly visible. Iirc you need at least some latent biotic ability to see it apparently. So Chief wouldn’t even know if it was coming.

  44. Dassadec April 5, 2013 at 2:31 pm -      #44

    I have to throw in with Wrex here, too much versatility with biotics, MC will take about 35% and those will be hard won at best

  45. Krypto Lowk April 5, 2013 at 2:47 pm -      #45

    “I’m not so sure about that, the OP seems to imply their are inhabitants, otherwise he wouldn’t have added this.
    -
    “although attempts to use any weapons which they may pick up that original from star wars won’t work””
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    Didn’t they have shops an stuff selling weapons that would just be laying around even if the town were empty?
    ===
    @Saruo
    Is the area Populated or non-populated?

  46. Doktor Doctor April 5, 2013 at 2:47 pm -      #46

    “Wrex fought a Asari commando and ended up wrecking a space station.
    Chief Seems to enjoy the sight of things blowing up.”
    If I remember correctly, the fight lasted for three days straight of no rest, and they actually used all their ammo in the guns. In ME1 that is unheard of. I’ll look for quotes.

  47. Krypto Lowk April 5, 2013 at 3:04 pm -      #47

    ” I’ll look for quotes.”
    -
    Found it

  48. UnauditedCloud April 5, 2013 at 3:06 pm -      #48

    @Krypto Lowk: Probably could have phased that better, You have to angles it just right in order to hit someone behind cover.
    And I just can’t see Wrex being able to hit MC with his biotics. I can’t even begin on how many times i’ve thrown a stasis or a warp, and a enemy has dodged it because he decided to do a barrel roll right before it hit him, and their moving rather slow. So how the hell is Wrex going to be able to hit a super speed and reflex enhanced being like the MC. I can even see Agent Tex kicking Wrex’s ass.

  49. Sauroposeidon April 5, 2013 at 3:15 pm -      #49

    Sorry! Sorry! Very busy day for me today. Spring cleaning and all that. The place is populated. No imperial presence. Just your usual scum, villainry, ect. Lots of crowds or vehicles or whatever to use as cover, ect, ect. Of course.. as the battle starts and rages on I imagine you’ll see a lot of people giving these two a wide berth.

  50. Doktor Doctor April 5, 2013 at 3:18 pm -      #50

    Thanks for the quote Lowk. :D

    “So how the hell is Wrex going to be able to hit a super speed and reflex enhanced being like the MC.”
    You’re basing Wrex off of Game Mechanics. He is superhuman in speed at least, as well as a better tank than Master Chief could ever hope to be. He has intense regeneration, as well as incredible toughness and redudant organs for life on a planet that tried to kill them.

    Okay, maybe he may not be able to hit the Chief directly with biotics, but AoE Biotics exist.

    Does Wrex have Singularity, or was that just a power for Asari?

  51. Sauroposeidon April 5, 2013 at 3:21 pm -      #51

    @ Lowk
    That adventure of his is what inspired the scene. I just wanted a neutral ground which neither were familiar with, with out technology, lay out, races, ect that either could exploit simply due to having a better working knowledge of them.

  52. Doktor Doctor April 5, 2013 at 3:22 pm -      #52

    I like the match a lot, Sauro! It’s well-thought out. :)

  53. Krypto Lowk April 5, 2013 at 3:37 pm -      #53

    “Probably could have phased that better, You have to angles it just right in order to hit someone behind cover.”
    -
    All I had to do was fire straight into the door way or fire as he got into cover and it did a near right turn to hit the guy around the corner.
    Only time I really had to angle it was when they are higher up, to avoid obstructions, or if the cover was really thick and a good deal of the time all you have to do is pull slightly in a different direction. Outside of gameplay limitations that would be the eqivualent of Wrex throwing one hand in a different direction instead of his entire aim like you would in a 3rd person shooter.
    Beyond that
    -some bitoic abilities go through walls.
    -Have an AoE so they only have to hit near.
    -Has biotics that can be bounced around corner can be lob over cover.

  54. UnauditedCloud April 5, 2013 at 3:44 pm -      #54

    @Doktor Doctor, Thats something that I’ve never gotten. Everyone thinks all you needs is a super beefed up Tank, and that makes you superior. I can’t remember what tread it was on, But someone was complaining on why The Infinity wasted space on holding areas for Frigates when they could have just lined the ships up with MACS. I figure it’s got to do something with the fact that 99 percent of the factpile community has no first or second hand experience with military doctrine and tactics, so they use information that they gain form the internet to back up there claims

    As my cousin (a chief petty officer) told me, there’s a reason why we don’t have just one super armed to the teeth Destroyer ship in our navy, sailing on it’s own. Because no matter how strong your ship is, someone will find a weakness in it and exploit it.

    The point i’m trying to make is that being a tank doesn’t necessarily make one superior. MC’s may not have the regenerative abilities like Wrex, but he’s got the speed factor on him, possibly strength (Can someone find the stats for Wrex?) and military tactics.

  55. Krypto Lowk April 5, 2013 at 3:52 pm -      #55

    “And I just can’t see Wrex being able to hit MC with his biotics. I can’t even begin on how many times i’ve thrown a stasis or a warp, and a enemy has dodged it because he decided to do a barrel roll right before it hit him, and their moving rather slow.”
    -
    1. Stasis literally just appears on the target. How are you missing?
    2. Area. of. Effect.
    3. It being Invisible would kind of make it hard to dodge it.
    “The merc opened his mouth to say something else, but he never got the chance. Skarr
    thrust a clenched fist in his direction, and the air rippled as a wave of invisible dark energy surged out and over his adversary. The unsuspecting human was picked up off his feet and thrown backwards several meters.”

    Chief like that guy he has has never be put up against, learned about, or have biotic abilities; latent or otherwise. So chances are he’s not going to see it.

  56. Krypto Lowk April 5, 2013 at 4:02 pm -      #56

    “(Can someone find the stats for Wrex?)”
    -
    I gave some regular Krogan strength and speed feats in post #33. Wrex is not an average Krogan but I think those should serve as a good example of what he’d be capable of.

  57. Krypto Lowk April 5, 2013 at 4:35 pm -      #57

    Here’s some other stuff on Wrex and what he is.
    “Urdnot Wrex is one of the last krogan Battle Masters: rare individuals who combine powerful biotic abilities with the devastating firepower of advanced weaponry. Born into clan Urdnot, he quickly gained fame for his prowess in battle. He became a leader of one of the smaller Urdnot tribes while still a youth – the youngest krogan to be granted the honor in 1000 years”
    masseffect.bioware.com/me1/galacticcodex/krogan_wrex.html
    ===
    “Since the genophage, the krogan can no longer afford the casualties of the old horde attacks. The Battle Masters are a match for any ten soldiers of another species. To a Battle Master, killing is a science. They focus on developing clean, brute-force economy of motion that exploits their brutal strength to incapacitate enemies with a swift single blow of overwhelming power.”
    -
    “Battle Masters are not “spit and polish”, but they do believe in being well-armed and equipped, preferably with a gun for each limb. They are callous and brutal, but methodical and disciplined. They use any means at their disposal to achieve their goals, no matter how reprehensible.”

    ME codex:Krogan: Military Doctrine
    ===
    Wrex may be a brute but he is also an intelligent one with a knack for battle, has been fighting since he was young, and has centuries worth of experience.

  58. ReDruM April 5, 2013 at 5:06 pm -      #58

    “Probably could have phased that better, You have to angles it just right in order to hit someone behind cover.”
    -
    There are biotic attacks that ignore cover or clip you through them such as Shockwave and Biotic Charge.
    -
    “And I just can’t see Wrex being able to hit MC with his biotics. I can’t even begin on how many times i’ve thrown a stasis or a warp, and a enemy has dodged it because he decided to do a barrel roll right before it hit him, and their moving rather slow. So how the hell is Wrex going to be able to hit a super speed and reflex enhanced being like the MC. I can even see Agent Tex kicking Wrex’s ass.”
    -
    1. Biotic attacks are practically invisible save for distortions in the air similar to a heatwave.
    -
    2. Those soldiers likely have experience with biotic since those are a prevalent piece in many militaries in Mass Effect.
    -
    3. Maximum level biotic attacks have area effect ranges.
    -
    4. If the cut scenes are any indication, and they are, biotic attacks not just limited to move set. They can be used as a telekinetic attack to manipulate objects and people in the world and can just be tossed in one large wave. Case in point Jack and the Justicar. Now Wrex is not as powerful as either most likely however they have been shown capable of throwing walls of pure biotic force and in Jacks case rip apart YMIR Mechs using Biotics as a strength amplification.
    -
    In all honesty with biotics MC stands no chance.

  59. VunderGuy April 5, 2013 at 5:16 pm -      #59

    For strength, can we all agree that both are around Class 1?

  60. Krypto Lowk April 5, 2013 at 5:22 pm -      #60

    “Now Wrex is not as powerful”
    -
    Iirc ME 1 has Wrex able to knock back one of these guy with throw.
    images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090125024724/masseffect/images/a/a9/ArmatureLanding.png
    If he managed to take a few seconds to charge like Skarr did he might be able to pull of a Jack-like attack.

  61. UnauditedCloud April 5, 2013 at 5:35 pm -      #61

    It seems like everyone thinks that Wrex’s Biotics make it a instant win. Does military tactics mean anything anymore? If Vietnam has taught us anything, it’s that power doesn’t account for squat if your enemy has superior tactics.

  62. Amm0vamp1r3 April 5, 2013 at 5:37 pm -      #62

    I haven’t read the books but when does MC use “tactic” I thought he was a make it up on the fly type of guy

  63. Krypto Lowk April 5, 2013 at 5:45 pm -      #63

    “It seems like everyone thinks that Wrex’s Biotics make it a instant win.”
    -
    I don’t. I think it’s a helpful tool in helping him.
    ===
    “Does military tactics mean anything anymore?”
    -
    Which Wrex, as a centuries year old, battle hardened, vet will also be using in addation to the psychigravity whatchamacallits abilities.
    Wrex isn’t just all power, he’s one of the leader type/think things ahead Krogans.

  64. Dassadec April 5, 2013 at 6:45 pm -      #64

    @Unaudited
    Biotics are by no means an instant win, they are simply an effective tool that Wrex has which gives him an advantage in a battle where they are quite evenly matched in most other areas.
    It’s not something that can be ignored or underestimated in a match like this. MC hasn’t really faced such abilities

  65. Amm0vamp1r3 April 5, 2013 at 6:51 pm -      #65

    “MC hasn’t really faced such abilities”
    -
    Would what happened in Halo 4 against the Big Alien, Still forget his name count ?

  66. SgCombine April 5, 2013 at 6:58 pm -      #66

    “MC hasn’t really faced such abilities”
    -
    The Didact and his Promethean Commanders used gravity manipulators. Chief is no stranger to gravity manipulators now, he just doesn’t really have a counter to them. However I have to ask, whats the max range on these biotics cause ingame I remember most didn’t go more than 20 or so meters.

  67. UnauditedCloud April 5, 2013 at 7:49 pm -      #67

    He’s a battle hardened veteran of the Krogan doctrine, which equals charging head first in with brute strength . Just look at the Citadel DLC, he jumps out of a window, lands on a dropship, and melees the fuck out of everyone in in. Not exactly the most sophisticated battle strategy

  68. Krypto Lowk April 5, 2013 at 8:00 pm -      #68

    “However I have to ask, whats the max range on these biotics cause ingame I remember most didn’t go more than 20 or so meters.”
    -
    Thats for stuff like shockwaves and Sockwave like attacks. They only get up to 24-30 meters max.
    The other stuff can travel up to around 100 or so. At least thats the furthest object I could find an throw a biotic attack.
    Though 60 or so meters seem to be the limit for the tracking thing.

  69. SgCombine April 5, 2013 at 8:15 pm -      #69

    @Lowk
    Thanks, I figured there was a relatively short range on these things.
    -
    Shouldn’t the Hard Light shield be able to block most of these attacks since most deal kinetic energy(shockwave, concussive shot, etc)?

  70. Krypto Lowk April 5, 2013 at 8:30 pm -      #70

    “He’s a battle hardened veteran of the Krogan doctrine which equals charging head first in with brute strength”
    -
    Doesn’t mean he has to go about it like a idiot. Nevermind the fact that he’s gone up against, hunted, and cornered an asari commando, you know the old telekinetic alien ninjas . Not exactly a feat someone whose only tactic is charging in. Also did you read Battlemaster entry?
    ===
    “Just look at the Citadel DLC, he jumps out of a window, lands on a dropship, and melees the fuck out of everyone in in. Not exactly the most sophisticated battle strategy”
    -
    Because that’s all that was necessary.
    Why come up with a convoluted plan when all you have to(and can do) is break a ship and quickly take out it occupants.
    That takes out there means of transport and quick get away. Had the element of surprise. Instantly shook them up and stopped them from firing on the person he was trying to protect. And conserved ammo.
    Just because someone like brute force doesn’t mean that can’t be smart where and when to apply it.
    Otherwise he would stormed the salrian base with his troops to get the females instead of waiting and collecting information.

  71. VunderGuy April 5, 2013 at 8:37 pm -      #71

    So…is that a less on agreeing that they’re about Class 1 level (I.E., have a lifting capacity of one ton) in terms of strength?

    Also, how come striking strength and lifting strength is allowed but not combat speed and movement speed in these factpile debates?

    Does anyone know where I can find a decent Post-Crises Superman respect thread? I know this is off topic, but since I don’t want to be caught in the firestorm and would rather let other people be caught in it instead of me…

  72. Krypto Lowk April 5, 2013 at 8:38 pm -      #72

    “Shouldn’t the Hard Light shield be able to block most of these attacks since most deal kinetic energy(shockwave, concussive shot, etc)?”
    -
    The probably the direct attacks that hit head on.
    Though Shockwave goes through obstacles so the person behind the shield might still get a bit of the hit. There’s also the ones with AoE that could still hit him if fired at the ground behind him or around him.

  73. Krypto Lowk April 5, 2013 at 8:40 pm -      #73
  74. VunderGuy April 5, 2013 at 8:46 pm -      #74

    I said a DECENT one, as in, one where the thread operator made things coherent and actually had a VERY big list that I don’t have to dig through the entire thread to search for.

  75. ReDruM April 5, 2013 at 9:06 pm -      #75

    “It seems like everyone thinks that Wrex’s Biotics make it a instant win. Does military tactics mean anything anymore? If Vietnam has taught us anything, it’s that power doesn’t account for squat if your enemy has superior tactics.”
    -
    No Vietnam taught us that if a country has to fight a war with one hand tied around its balls then they will eventually lose the public support and have to back out. If you want to get technical we could have turned Vietnam into a parking lot. Our troops were superiorly trained but they were fighting an enemy on their home turf who used civilians as shields and didn’t dress in an identifying manner. Not because they were ‘better’. This is irrelevant since MC does not enjoy these advantages anyway.
    -
    “He’s a battle hardened veteran of the Krogan doctrine, which equals charging head first in with brute strength . Just look at the Citadel DLC, he jumps out of a window, lands on a dropship, and melees the fuck out of everyone in in. Not exactly the most sophisticated battle strategy”
    -
    What Lowk said. Not to mention MC has no way to get through what is effectively 3 layers of protection. A biotic barrier, a Kinetic barrier, and heavy armor plating that’s able to withstand far more then most of the weapons in MC’s arsenal.

  76. VunderGuy April 5, 2013 at 9:31 pm -      #76

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  77. Crimson Sentry April 5, 2013 at 10:17 pm -      #77

    Thank you Wrex supporters, I thought the MC fanboys were gonna show up ><, whew..

  78. Krypto Lowk April 5, 2013 at 10:18 pm -      #78

    @VunderGuy
    How bout this. Check under the subablum SUPERMAN
    s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/library/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN?page=1

  79. Doktor Doctor April 5, 2013 at 10:29 pm -      #79

    I don’t see the Chief winning this.

  80. SgCombine April 5, 2013 at 11:17 pm -      #80

    “Not to mention MC has no way to get through what is effectively 3 layers of protection.”
    -
    Yes he does, he can use any power weapon in Halo, including the Incinerator Cannon. How is Wrex going to survive a weapon that atomizes 5 ton Hunters.
    -
    “I don’t see the Chief winning this.”
    -
    Why not? It’s not like he’s stuck with just his pea shooter gun, he actually has access to heavy weapons in this match, as does Wrex. I think it could go either way really.

  81. Draco April 5, 2013 at 11:40 pm -      #81

    I like this match a lot.
    -
    I’ma throw in for wrex, he’s got plenty of his own powerful weaponry. Heavy weaponry.
    -
    How bout trying a cain on for size?
    -
    also, the incinerator cannon in game has a pretty bad range and has troubles atomizing it’s enemies at times. It requires an near direct hit in order to get them. I can’t remember how many times i was shocked that I missed that one guy with this gun. And all he did was jump away and loose some shields.

  82. VunderGuy April 5, 2013 at 11:49 pm -      #82

    You sure that isn’t game mechanics?

  83. Krypto Lowk April 5, 2013 at 11:53 pm -      #83

    “I think it could go either way really.”
    -
    I kind of agree but still leaning closer to Wrex due to the space magic that give him TK.

  84. Draco April 6, 2013 at 1:18 am -      #84

    @Vunderguy
    I don’t know actually.
    -
    I don’t know if there’s any book feats for it though. All I know is of gameplay instances. No cutscenes either.

  85. ReDruM April 6, 2013 at 1:30 am -      #85

    “Yes he does, he can use any power weapon in Halo, including the Incinerator Cannon. How is Wrex going to survive a weapon that atomizes 5 ton Hunters.”
    -
    He has to find said weapons first as per the rules.
    -
    “Why not? It’s not like he’s stuck with just his pea shooter gun, he actually has access to heavy weapons in this match, as does Wrex. I think it could go either way really.”
    -
    Because not only does Wrex outclass him in weapons he also has biotic attacks the MC has no defense for including powers that rip the target apart at a molecular level and freeze them in place. That combined with his healing factor and higher level of experience gives him the match.

  86. VunderGuy April 6, 2013 at 3:56 am -      #86

    @ReDruM

    Last I checked, they both had some form of shielding or another.

  87. Draco April 6, 2013 at 4:09 am -      #87

    @Vunder
    They do.
    -
    While Chief’s is a plasma shield i believe. Wrex’s is a kinetic barrier.
    -
    Plasma weapons would be alright to get through. But the armor worn by troops I believe is designed to ‘boil away’ to disperse away heat.
    But I need to re-look it up in order to be sure.
    -
    But it’s just as advanced as Chiefs without the augmentations. When a breach is formed Medi-gel fills in the wound and breach to heal the wound.
    once chiefs shields are breached though, it’s over with. he wont be able to stand against the Mass accelerator weapons. (MAW?)

  88. Cananatra April 6, 2013 at 6:36 am -      #88

    I’d actually say his armour would be quite effective against Mass effects rounds due to their low mass and the nature of his armour.

  89. SgCombine April 6, 2013 at 9:06 am -      #89

    “biotic attacks the MC has no defense”
    -
    Biotic attacks which are limited to pistol range as Lowk pointed out.
    -
    “once chiefs shields are breached though, it’s over with.”
    -
    Chiefs Mark VI armor automatically seals up wounds with bio foam too.
    -
    “I’d actually say his armour would be quite effective against Mass effects rounds due to their low mass”
    -
    This has been bugging me for a while, if ME guns fire hypersonic, low mass rounds, wouldn’t they break apart as soon as they hit reasonably thick armor(assuming they use real metals and not sci fi ones)?

  90. Mad Silentist April 6, 2013 at 12:31 pm -      #90

    The speed that ME guns fire their projectiles is enough to turn the sliver of metal into a hypothetical battering ram. They turns solid objects to mush. Biotics are effective at ME pistol ranges, at least. Halo pistols dont have even close to the performance of ME ones

  91. ReDruM April 6, 2013 at 1:01 pm -      #91

    “Last I checked, they both had some form of shielding or another.”
    -
    No shit. But 1 of them has a shield and the other has a Kinetic Barrier and a Biotic Barrier.
    -
    “I’d actually say his armour would be quite effective against Mass effects rounds due to their low mass and the nature of his armour.”
    -
    You again.
    -
    “Biotic attacks which are limited to pistol range as Lowk pointed out.”
    -
    “Biotic attacks which are limited to pistol range as Lowk pointed out.”
    -
    Which isn’t an actual range gauge since the pistols can be fired technically speaking as far as they want.
    -
    “Chiefs Mark VI armor automatically seals up wounds with bio foam too”
    -
    Sealing up wounds and actually healing the damage done as its done is 2 different things. If Chief takes a hit to the heart, foam or no foam he’s dead in 7 seconds at best. With Wrex that is not the case.
    -
    “This has been bugging me for a while, if ME guns fire hypersonic, low mass rounds, wouldn’t they break apart as soon as they hit reasonably thick armor(assuming they use real metals and not sci fi ones)?”
    -
    That’s what they are designed to do.
    -
    “A mass accelerator propels a solid metal slug using precisely-controlled electromagnetic attraction and repulsion. The slug is designed to squash or shatter on impact, increasing the energy it transfers to the target. If this were not the case, it would simply punch a hole right through, doing minimal damage.

    Accelerator design was revolutionized by element zero. A slug lightened by a mass effect field can be accelerated to greater speeds, permitting projectile velocities that were previously unobtainable. If accelerated to a high enough velocity, a simple paint chip can impact with the same destructive force as a nuclear weapon.

    However, mass accelerators produce recoil equal to their impact energy. This is mitigated somewhat by the mass effect fields that rounds are suspended within, but weapon recoil is still the prime limiting factor on slug velocity. ”
    -
    And since Wrex is a Krogan he can use his weapon to fire at velocities that would tear a regular humans arm off meaning better penetration and longer ranges.
    -

  92. therealbs April 6, 2013 at 1:08 pm -      #92

    i read this whole thread and im seeing a pattern:
    Weapons edge wrex
    Biotics edge wrex
    tatics edge wrex
    durability edge wrex due to healing factor.
    experience edge wrex

    “Biotic attacks which are limited to pistol range as Lowk pointed out.”
    not completely true wrex by his class description would have access to stasis and possible reave both of which have unlimited range and are AoE attacks.

    ALso no one has mentioned blood rage. krogans can continue to fight through ridiculous pain.”it used to be an ability of certain krogan to go nuts, attack everything and be insensetive to any injuries, including their brains getting blown out” -mass effect 1 codex

  93. SgCombine April 6, 2013 at 1:59 pm -      #93

    “Which isn’t an actual range gauge since the pistols can be fired technically speaking as far as they want.”
    -
    Look at post #68.
    -
    ” The slug is designed to squash or shatter on impact”
    “meaning better penetration and longer ranges.”
    -
    I’m confused -_- if it just shatters on the armor then it won’t penetrate.

  94. Draco April 6, 2013 at 2:22 pm -      #94

    @therealbs
    Actually…
    -
    I believe wrex was one of the few without a blood rage. The blood rage (IIRC) is a byproduct of the genophage forcing the krogan to become more durable, hostile.
    -
    Besides, the blood rage makes a krogan thinking skills drop by half as they recklessly charge and attack with abandon.

  95. Krypto Lowk April 6, 2013 at 2:48 pm -      #95

    “I’m confused -_- if it just shatters on the armor then it won’t penetrate.”
    -
    Depends on the gun and/or the ammo. Think a majority are designed the way the codex say. Some others however some are strong enough to penetrate, Some fires smaller rounds, some fire larger rounds, some fire spikes the length of a man forearm, there’s also armor peiercing mods and ammo.
    I think the Claymore is one of those that so powerful it’s should still penetrate.

  96. Galorian April 6, 2013 at 2:52 pm -      #96

    Blood rage has nothing to do with the Genophage- it’s a Krogan natural defense mechanism.
    .
    Krogans have a whole bunch of redundant organs, including a redundant nervous system. If a Krogan suffers sufficiently extreme trauma to trigger a switch to his backup nervous system he goes on what is known as the blood rage- higher brain functions take longer to “boot up” so the primitive instinctual portions of the Krogan brain take over completely and trigger a berserker rage response until higher brain functions resume and reassert control.
    .
    Presumably this is meant to prevent the Krogan being killed during “transition”.
    .
    It has been noted that the blood rage is the reason hospitals are the most hardened structures on Tu’chanka- they have to be resilient enough to withstand an endless flow of blood raging Krogans all day, every day…

  97. therealbs April 6, 2013 at 4:35 pm -      #97

    unless there is proof of wrex NOT having a bloodrage ability then he is assumed to have one. thats the rules of this site as i understand them.
    @Lowk mass effect has many rounds including armor piercing rounds and incendiary ammo. both of which are good against armor. also some guns like the claymore, harrier, and widow always penetrate armor.

  98. Amm0vamp1r3 April 6, 2013 at 4:40 pm -      #98

    “unless there is proof of wrex NOT having a bloodrage ability then he is assumed to have one. thats the rules of this site as i understand them.”
    -
    Isn’t it the other way around

  99. Amm0vamp1r3 April 6, 2013 at 4:42 pm -      #99

    “the claymore, harrier, and widow always penetrate armor.”
    -
    And this is a NLF if by saying this you mean no matter what they will go through the armor

  100. Charlotte English April 6, 2013 at 4:59 pm -      #100

    “And this is a NLF if by saying this you mean no matter what they will go through the armor.”
    Or he’s clarifying the game mechanic for Lowk.

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