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Big time battle here – the Star Wars universe facing off against the Dragon Ball Z universe.
Which side would win?
Suggested by The Game.
Big time battle here – the Star Wars universe facing off against the Dragon Ball Z universe.
Which side would win?
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I have a feeling this is going to wind up on popular posts. Wank is coming
putting my money on Star Wars for now. too much orbital firepower and the DBZ guys 9 times out of 10 can’t go into space.
I sense DBZ wank incoming in 3… 2… 1…
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Composite Star Wars godstomps DragonBall to oblivion
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Any era, orbital bombardment and FTL space travel ftw
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Hell, give Palpatine enough time and distance and he’d solo DragonBall through mind rape and life force draining, given time, that is
if its composite Star Wars just spams its planet busting and starbusting weapons then send Nihilus to Other World to feed. or Abeloth. either works
“send Nihilus to Other World to feed. or Abeloth. either works”
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Or Palpatine, since he did what Nihilus did, on a far greater scale, case in point, Byss, he was slowly draining it
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Really, put him on some other planet, he mindfucks DBZ into oblivion
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Of course Star Wars bashers will come in and try to claim “Star Wars wank” and “EU bullshit” soon enough
well, depending on how the universe/galaxies are situated physically, the Ki’s of DBZ can look at all of it mentally and there are at least a few DBZ characters that can instant transmit/teleport. So in theory, some of the Ki’s and Goku(all i can think of that can teleport) can just instant teleport everywhere SW is and blow up every planet/ship. Just a theory.
But is EU canon?
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Yes it is canon. Hence Film+EU Continuity, Hence canon levels (oh shit canon debate in 3,2,1…)
Canon wise for Star Wars I heard it established that Movies>>>>>>>>>EU
@Dark God at #3 + #5
If he’s given enough time and the DBZ side’s neither diverted nor orchestrated by idiots, otherwise he fails without either of those things happening.
If its Composite Era Star Wars in play, Revan and the Sith Emperor he had gotten caught by might have ways to provide the former, if enough time is bought, otherwise I don’t know if they can pull that one out of the hat or something.
Moot point if Abeloth is in play.
I’d rather they have went with Too Much E.U in play rather than E.U Iz Not Cannon outright, really.
@Admiral at #2
So now we await what the new movie will say about DBZ’s overall odds, yes?
@Everyone else
A war that I have anticipated for years has finally arrived to factpile.com, hasn’t it?
Next thing you know its only a matter of time before we hear about Dr. DragonStar Z, which consists of Dr. Who, DragonBall Z and Star Wars.
Whichever side survives in here may wind up helping with finding out which of the 3 gets to lead Dr. DragonStar Z in the future.
All I’ll say for sure is that this war will either be one of the most epic the site has and will ever see, or will be a steaming pile of atrociousness that would make us wish to contemplate on Tenchi Muyo vs either side 1-vs-1, or at least contemplate on having it be a 3-way fight between the 3 actually.
Needless to say on the Initial bets, this may take a while unless either side has too many aces to use or one of them blows out their legs with powerful weapons or somesuch thing.
Supernatural Firepower’s not fun to underestimate.
Also on the combat-via-Champion regards, Luke vs Goku could be fun.
It wasn’t specified in the description so that means recent incarnations for both universes, right? So that means we need to wait for the Dragon Ball movie.
@Sadot06 at #11
You made a fair enough point if nothing else.
Just Saiyan.
If Buu is apart of this, good luck finding a way to kill him.
buu is in the new movie
also, DBZ has an afterlife to get champions from, but unlike how the fluidic space in the ST vs SW was used to be a “escape all and never touch” tool, i do not believe it is a viable tactic to do that in factpile debates as outlined by matapiojo in the xeelee vs stargate thread(going to alternate reality and just sending attacks from there). could get more warriors from there though, including from hell i think.
I would still like to hear Gokus scream of terror as he tastes the Death Stars kamehameha…
I’m putting my money on Star Wars, but I mainly just want to sit back and watch. This match might be filled with so much support from both sides, but at the same time, it might just die after 2 days, like new matches usually do.
Can’t DBZ just gather the dragonballs and wish away the Star Wars universe?
I’m sitting back and waiting. Because if you’re using recent incarnations then Star Wars can’t use dead characters which seem to be the most powerful, apart from how EU Luke is portrayed. And Dragon Ball is really hax.
Can’t DBZ just gather the dragonballs and wish away the Star Wars universe?
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Pretty much the only way I see the DB universe winning this, but the dragonballs can be gathered in like an hour as of current incarnation, i mean even PoPo got them in an afternonn
Wonder how the upcoming movie from DBZ might influence this match.Appearently, this new villain is a actual galaxy buster (readed this from leaked rumours so don’t use this as debate material for now) and Goku will fight him in “super saiyan god form”.
@orber
“spoiler”
-and apparently the new main bad guy(Billis) is just the apprentice of the other new guy in the movie who doesn’t fight, along with them stating that there are 7 other universes with their own Ki gods and Billis is just the god of destruction in their universe. Goku also apparently fights in space in the trailers too. anyways, this is from a rundown of the movie i read on a wiki of which the writer appears to have seen the movie. think it came out in japan already or something.
Buu should be enough to handle just about any fleet Star Wars has. Nothing save for complete disentegration will stop him. If the attacks aren’t at least planet busting, you might as well not even try.
Or find some way to exploit his magical nature.
Wishing away Star Wars may be beyond the power of the Dragon Balls. Then again, they can destroy and rebuild planets, so getting rid of some people and ships doesn’t exactly sound ridiculous.
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The battle scenario doesn’t specify composite universes, so I guess it’s recent incarnation.
Hoo boy, prepare for imminent flak…
But first, is this all-era for both sides?
“Wishing away Star Wars may be beyond the power of the Dragon Balls. Then again, they can destroy and rebuild planets, so getting rid of some people and ships doesn’t exactly sound ridiculous.”
-I put a wild idea out there in the dbz vs daleks thread just for fun. wish the fastenings(nuts, bolts, welds, rivits…etc) to disappear in all their technology. just the matter by itself would be within a planet’s mass and the dragon has shown enough power to remake a planet, so……just depends on if bulma is smart enough i guess. idk, what does everyone else think; it was originally just an off comment not to be taken too seriously.
“But first, is this all-era for both sides?”
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Boss Rabbit turns Vader into a carrot.
@ Mike
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Can the dragon die?
“Boss Rabbit turns Vader into a carrot.”
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And Nihilus eats them both, lol
i think it can die, but it’s more like destroying the dragon balls if you do, or i guess you could destroy the creators of them. Piccolo absorbed kami so i guess he can make some, and that little namekian(can’t remember his name) on the new namek planet can and has made one IIRC. i think the dragon is more like what the dragon balls summon. his durability probably will have something to do with is power to do things, being only what the maker could do, but i really don’t know. the balls themselves could be easier to destroy…..maybe??
So what if Darth Nihilus ate the dragon?
i honestly dont know if it’s a physical being or just ki. i’d have to look into it sometime. maybe he could eat it, but i doubt the powers would transfer.
If Ki is harnessed inner energy, that’s pretty much what Nihilus feeds on. Separates individuals from their connection to inner energy (or Force) and snacks on the destruction that follows. Even if the powers didn’t transfer (Nihilus does it just to stay alive, not get stronger), it would still be a big blow for DBZ.
I think the Dragon Balls use magic, not ki.
Depends on whether Star Wars has Palpatine or Luke or not.
@ Soulerous
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Ah, ok. So no eating Dragon Balls for Nihilus. But what if Nihilus tried to eat the dragon?
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And if Buu tried to absorb Nihilus, I wonder what would happen???
Doesn’t Darth Nihilus just feed on the force? How exactly does the process work?
well you do have to say the right words to summon him and they do call it magic and magic does exist in the dbz world. maybe soulerous is right. but ki is harnessed inner energy, spiritual energy to be exact.
@ Cookie
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I think both sides have everybody.
no incarnation was said, both sides are current incarnation
@ Mike
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Ki sounds a lot like Force connectivity. This match should be interesting!
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@ Sadot
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Nihilus feeds by severing a living thing’s connection to the Force and feeding on the death that it causes.
@Marcel
Would that then be sufficiently compatible with the way Ki operates in Dragon Ball?
Im sensing this will be a pretty big debate. My money is on sw for now though.
Dragon Ball characters aren’t connected to the Force, but with elemental compatibility I believe it’s fair to say Nihilus could feed on them. Ki is life energy, more or less.
i don’t think they are elementally compatable. one is spiritual energy that they hold in themselves and are them in fact, and the other is a force ambient throughout the universe that you channel through you. right?
Kid buu baby shakes
“spoilers”
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my bad, 12 universes if the wiki is right. read it at your own risk. it’s basically a giant spoiler telling you how the movie goes dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Z:_Battle_of_Gods
@ sadot
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The Force operates similarly to Ki in a lot of ways when individuals are involved, but there is one difference between them when referring to external factors. In DBZ, an individual must develop their ability to harness their Ki and utilize it to the fullest, both in quantity (how much of it they can use) and quality (how well they are able to use it.) In SW, a person’s midichlorian count determines their total potential to manipulate the Force, but they also must develop that ability and harness it to that maximum potential. The real distinct difference is that while Ki is only found within an individual, the Force is everywhere. So while Ki can be manipulated internally to cause an external effect, The Force can do the same, but also be manipulated externally (from OUTSIDE the individual) to cause external effects.
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So overall, very similar
“i don’t think they are elementally compatable. one is spiritual energy that they hold in themselves and are them in fact, and the other is a force ambient throughout the universe that you channel through you”
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That is true, they have slightly different sources. I think we can leave Nihilus out until the fact that we are using current incarnation changes.
“That is true, they have slightly different sources. I think we can leave Nihilus out until the fact that we are using current incarnation changes.”
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Current incarnation for Star Wars. That’s gotta be an oxymoron or something. What do you consider to be “Current Incarnation” Rebellion, New Republic, NJO, or Legacy?
hello, new to this site and not sure how to begin.
but, personally I hate dragon ball and I was a star wars fan, but I can’t think of a way that star wars can win. Dragon ball is just to OP.
@Cannibalistic
Current Incarnation for Star Wars would be the most recent era post Return of the Jedi
“I think we can leave Nihilus out until the fact that we are using current incarnation changes.”
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I had forgotten about that. Current incarnation of SW is…gosh, I actually know next to nothing about it!
“What do you consider to be “Current Incarnation” Rebellion, New Republic, NJO, or Legacy?”
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Good question. I generally consider the “now” of Star Wars to be the New Jedi Order, but I’ve not delved very deeply into the matter. How debatable is it? If it’s very, a specification may be required.
All I know about recent Star Wars is that either Luke is hax or totally overwanked. Maybe a bit of both.
Welcome to the pile, Secrecy27! If you have any questions, call 1800-…just kidding. Feel free to ask, there are people here glad to help you out. Enjoy the site!
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“Current Incarnation for Star Wars would be the most recent era post Return of the Jedi”
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Oh…THAT current incarnation. That means EU Palpatine, Abeloth, and Grandmaster Luke. *whistles* I’m liking the way this is going…
@ sadot
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Both, but mostly hax. Like 3/4 hax.
…What the hell? How is this fair? Star Wars gets roflstomped by Frieza, Cooler, and King Cold (Kold?). That one family just breezes through the galaxy, popping planets and wiping whole fleets on their own. SW FTL might be faster, but its only Earth’s. Everyone else seems to be able to go where ever they want to go whenever they want to go there with the exception of the old saiyan pods that vegeta, raditz, and nappa still used which I’m pretty sure Earth’s FTL tech is based on…but I could be wrong. Firepower wise, nothing Star Wars has approaches most of the named characters. The Death Star’s destructive force is maybe stronger than say..Krillin’s. I’d be hard pressed to say a Star Destroyer would be able to take on even most of the characters below Piccolo, and even the ones which would struggle against one really only need to force their way on board.. and then it’s over. The speeds their capable of and the durability of the outfits they can construct imply that boarding would never be a difficult task.
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There is nothing that Star Wars has which I can think of which would stop DBZ in its tracks.
@ Sauro
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Which is why I brought Nihilus up right away. things like him are pretty much the only hope for SW. That and maybe Sith death techniques. Those would severely hamper the war effort on Z’s part (Assuming fleets don’t get one-shotted in the meantime). Personally, I kinda always saw this as a quick-draw situation. Yet again.
We’re using current incarnations @Sauroposeidon and sticking to what’s canon. So nobody dead or from a non canon movie would be permitted.
@Marcel
Whoever is alive during the most recent Star Wars story. So for Dragon Ball it’s whoever survived the Buu saga and whatever we find out in the new DBZ movie which takes place 10 years later.
@Marcel
3/4 hacks? Nice. Well if this new DBZ villain is a galaxy buster then I don’t like Star Wars’ chances.
“Whoever is alive during the most recent Star Wars story. So for Dragon Ball it’s whoever survived the Buu saga and whatever we find out in the new DBZ movie which takes place 10 years later.”
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If you want to go along those lines, then this match is an absolute stomp. Luke dead, Abeloth dead, Palpatine dead, Cade an old geezer…etc.
Does Dragon Ball have anything to counter this?
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bedlam_Spirits
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I think the Star Wars side can just mass produce Sun Crushers (Nigh indestructible Tie Fighter sized ships) and Galaxy Guns and it might be more even.
The only people I can think of in Star Wars that have any hope are Nihilus, EU Luke, EU Palpatine
Yea if this was composite, star wars might put up a slight bit of a fight, but with current incarnation, this is a stomp. Goku it should be star wars vs Goku with no PIS. Goku can just use instant transmission to get inside the suncrushers and destroy them.
Last fightable incarnation? I saw everything from post return of the Jedi vs either this new battle of the Gods or the Buu saga. I still have a hard time seeing SW handle Buu though…
“’spoiler’
-and apparently the new main bad guy(Billis) is just the apprentice of the other new guy in the movie who doesn’t fight, along with them stating that there are 7 other universes with their own Ki gods and Billis is just the god of destruction in their universe. Goku also apparently fights in space in the trailers too. anyways, this is from a rundown of the movie i read on a wiki of which the writer appears to have seen the movie. think it came out in japan already or something.”
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“Apparently, this new villain is a actual galaxy buster”
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Nah, new villain is only Star busting, galaxy busting came from a claim Piccolo made.
Source for star busting: www.kanzenshuu.com/2013/02/06/chozenshu-1-overview-translations-and-more/ The one who possesses the opposing power, and authority, of “destruction”, is the God of Destruction. “Through the repetition of destruction of stars/planets continually increasing in numbers, and the birth of new stars/planets, the balance of the entire universe is maintained.”
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Wasn’t it twelve universes and they were in the 7th one? Could be wrong.
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*END OF SPOILERS*
@Marcel
Jesus. Well unless a specific incarnation is brought up this is certainly a stomp for Dragon Ball.
Does anyone want to consider post Return of the Jedi onwards vs the Buu saga?
If it makes it more fair, then yeah. I don’t want a roflstomp
“If it makes it more fair, then yeah.”
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It makes it a quick-draw situation. Can the Saiyans take out Abeloth before she wreaks havoc, and can the Force-users shut down the vitals of the DBZ characters vulnerable to the technique before they can wipe out Abeloth? But yeah, I don’t think it makes it a stomp.
How many Dragon Ball characters currently alive can actually go into space without a ship?
Umm Buu?
@ Soulerous
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Not sue, but Buu for sure if we are using the Buu saga.
Buu died, did he not? Utterly vanquished and reincarnated as a human and all that?
Fat Buu is still around.
Oh, Fat Buu. You know what the wiki says?
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“In Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods, several years after Kid Buu’s defeat, Mr. Buu is at Bulma’s birthday party with Mr. Satan. It is Buu who angers the God of Destruction Bills when the latter interrupts the party: When Bills asks Mr. Buu for one or two of the custard puddings he has, Mr. Buu eats all of them and Bills then decides to destroy the Earth.”
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The God of Destruction sounds like a real jerk.
And I’m not entirely sure but don’t the DBZ characters have space suits? They’ve mastered long distance space travel capsule houses so I’d hope they have space suits.
space suits were never shown in actual canon that I recall, best strategy I recall a Sayian being able to use for in space survival was a really deep breath. Since the spaceships are advanced enough to have internal atmosphere and stuff it wasn’t needed I guess.
@Dark God of Chaos
Coming from someone furiously wanking Star Wars right now like a two dollar Thai Hooker being paid a million bucks, unless you like sounding ironic, like a hypocrite, or stupid (which I admit, are all very common on this site and a likely possibility), it is extremely advisable that you take a good long look at yourself in the mirror, realize this, and do kindly, hold your cocky’ed tongue in future debates, please.
@Soul
the reason King Kai’s planet is so small is because Bills blew it up after King Kai beat him at Mario Kart. dudes a straight up troll.
Wait… Mario Kart?
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I think it’s pretty well agreed that Dragon Ball wins, anyway.
“We’re using current incarnations @Sauroposeidon and sticking to what’s canon. So nobody dead or from a non canon movie would be permitted.”
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You can use whatever you want. I’m using the cartoon and movies. There’s nothing you can say which will stop me from debating with such either. As far as how I have experienced DBZ goes, that is it. And if I recall, all of the slain villains are still in the afterlife, making them usable. Although you missed my point that even these low tier villains would easily be enough by themselves to conquer the whole of the SW Galaxy.
@Soul
some kind of car racing game, I just said Mario Kart because it helps exemplify how trivial the offense was.
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@Sauro
don’t most of the villains in hell, not have their bodies, except for that one noncanon time in GT?
“don’t most of the villains in hell, not have their bodies, except for that one noncanon time in GT?”
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Being dead does not seem to change much. What matters is that there are forces who watch over them which disallow them from leaving and interacting with the realm of the living. Buu was quite able to interact with the afterlife, even though he was alive. Their supposedly potentially ethereal, intangible nature did not change things. There was a movie where some of the villains escaped too, including hitler.
I know Goku had a space suit in the anime when his ship was being pulled into a star
I think Dragon Ball Z has this. Most of the more powerful SW characters don’t seem to be around in the latest incarnation(s).
And like others have said, I don’t see anyone in SW taking down Buu.
@Sauro
I meant…at least in the anime, weren’t the characters in Hell/HFIL stuck in those little puffy cloud forms? Not so much actual interaction.
@Dassadec
I think that was GT but could be wrong.
@ Vunderguy
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Dark God of Chaos made that comment before current incarnation had been established; he was talking about composite SW (all-era). And before you claim someone is over-exaggerating a universe, check first to see if their statement does actually have some weight behind it. Because he actually made pretty valid points. Be very cautious with accusations like that.
@ Guardian
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Hey, do you have any feats on current Dark Side users for the SW side? Such as Force choke and Vital-organ shutdown?
@ guardian
I was talking about during his trip to Namek. He has to use kamehameha to keep his ship from bein pulled into a star
@Marcel
Before we begin the whole organ-shutdown arguement, I should mention that Buu doesn’t seem to have organs, and if we are counting the dead characters, well, I don’t think ghosts have organs.
@Marcel,
define current, NJO era not really anything impressive, Cade and Krayt’s era there’s the shatterpoint kill heal like ability….but I don’t have those readily available….
@Dassadec
ah, my mistake then, unless that was filler, I..don’t know where filler stands in continuity for DBZ
@dassedec
“I was talking about during his trip to Namek. He has to use kamehameha to keep his ship from bein pulled into a star”
was that in a filler? I don’t remember it being in the manga.
@Sauro
You’re free to debate as you please, but if you use non canon material for your arguments, they’ll be thrown out and you’ll be debating with yourself.
Goku can now breathe in space, Vegeta always could, I think Namekians can, Buu can, the new villains obviously can.
And they do have spacesuits: www.mangatank.com/manga/dragon-ball-z/c245/7
@ Tails
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I know, that’s why I stated I didn’t know how SW was going to handle Buu without Sidious or Abeloth.
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@ Guardian
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“define current”
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Someone mentioned the most recent story. So that means…Luke, Abeloth, Sidious, and pretty much all the heavy-hitters of the Post RotJ, right?
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“Cade and Krayt’s era there’s the shatterpoint kill heal like ability….but I don’t have those readily available…”
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That’s ok, I think we both have a decent working knowledge on how it works (you probably better than me). Thx. It’s looking pretty slim for SW, most likely a loss, shatterpoint the only thing keeping it from a roflstomp, huh?
Dead characters don’t have bodies. They only make exceptions for certain warriors. The dead characters coming back to life thing can’t be used in this debate. It happened during the movie DBZ: Fusion Reborn because of Janemba terrorizing the check in station. And the only canon Dragon Ball movies are Trunks, Bardock, and Battle of the Gods.
Saiyans may have incredible powers, however, let us not forget that they aren’t immune to poison or disease, and let us not forget, that casting illness is one of the sith weapons.
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Also let us not forget that Jedi have insane RT times, being able to dodge point blank lazers.
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Palpatine is a main problem, he can extract goku’s soul from his body and place it inside a stormtrooper.
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also let us not forget centerpoint station.
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then let us not forget that EU Luke, Abeloth, Darth Krayt, Jaina solo, are all powerful heavy hitters.
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I can’t reallly imagine Dbz winning, the force is so powerful, Dbz characters may be able to bust planets, but Force users have many powers to make up for that. Illness, Mind destruction, Force choke, and many more.
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@Motor314
I don’t think Buu can get sick. Actually, I don’t think Cell or any of the Androids can get sick, either.
Wait, can Frieza get sick? Or Namekians?