Published on March 18, 2013, by Hitman H94 - Posted in Duels 70
Suggested By Guardianangel1911
Today Dresden is going up against Lestat from the Anne Rice Vampire Chronicles.
They will fight in a ancient castle.
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da fuq? I don’t remember suggesting this
Is that really Harry in that picture? He looks like a cross between Ben Stiller and Tony Shalhoub.
its a drawing of Paul Blackthorn, the guy who starred as Dresden in the tv series on SciFi channel.
I’m saying (since apparently I suggested this even though I don’t remember talking about it except to tell Amm0 to go for it) we’re using book version though because tv Dresden is way weaker than book.
What can Dresden’s opponent do? And what version of Dresden?
current Dresden with his blasting rod, staff, pistol, enchanted Duster shield bracelet and force rings (which will update when he gets new versions of them) his necklace and the gem set in it, and his cane sword
as for what Lestat will do, stronger faster and more durable (and flammable) than twixies. hopefully someone with the books can add more.
This fight with the old Pumpkin-headed Dresden is far less likely to gather Trolls like a Hornet’s nest and far more likely to be a better fight because of it!
If you’d rather see the unbiased side of me active, initial bets are on Dresden in here.*
1.) (I really should be allowed to just say the IBs and get it over with!)
This is homosexual.
I take it you find both men attractive, Murder?
as Awesome Assassin said nicely done
Though likely if I had to be honest, it’s because most people don’t read the vast majority of the Vampire Chronicles series. Usually only up to Queen of the Damned if that far. And up until that point Lestat doesn’t get much characterization beyond what we see in Interview with a Vampire (that or what is seen in the movie of the same name) But in the Vampire Lestat Lestat shows sexual interest in….his mom who he turned into a vampire (going into detail about how getting vampirized…perks up her assets….yeah I don’t know how to say that without possibly offending someone) and in Akasha, the Queen of the Damned, in Queen of the Damned he shows interest in Akasha and multiple women. And in Body Thief he actually does have sex. With two women…one he rapes and one consensual….the consensual is a Nun…yeah, go figure.
So likely Murder just has preconceived notions about Vampire Chronicles from not having actually read the books. And isn’t as secure in his sexuality as Lestat is.
your assuming Murder has any sexuality in his life at all though
true, but you have to give people the benefit of the doubt
also how do we know if hes even a male
Lawlz, thanks guys. Let’s not read too far into it though…
On topic, if Lestat is truly faster and stronger than Meyerpires, I don’t see how Dresden can win. Then again, I’m no expert on him.
Right, got a bit carried away.
Well in Changes Dresden at least in running speed closed the gap, and may or may not be a bullet timer now (I’ll bring the feat over from vs Sephiroth later on)
and…I don’t know the degree of stronger it’s been forever since I read the books, I just remember bits and pieces. However Rice Vamps like Lestat are very, very, very flamable, and Dresden’s specialty is big blasts of fire…
I know about Dresden but no so much with the other dude
can someone list feats?
The possible bullet time feat, reflexive shielding against a shotgun, specifically one of those fancy new full auto models. Keep in mind these are Dresden’s case files written after the fact.
” I had just gotten back from the small gym, where’d I’d hiked about four miles up and I don’t know how many miles forward on the elliptical machine. I was sweaty and exhausted and thinking about a shower and then bed again. I opened the door to my quarters, and when I did, Mab opened fire with a freaking shotgun.
I didn’t have time to think or calculate before she pulled the trigger. All I could do was react. I flung myself back, slammed my will out into the air ahead of me, coalescing it into a barrier of pure energy. The gun roared, deafening in the enclosed space. Buckshot slammed against the barrier and bounced, scattering everywhere, landing with pops and rattles. I hit the floor, keeping the barrier up, and Mab advanced, her eyes glittering through every shade of opal, wild and ecstatic and incongruous against her otherwise calm expression.
It was one of those Russian-designed shotguns with the big drum magazine, and she poured all of it into me, aiming for my face.
The second the gun went click instead of boom, I flung myself to one side in a swift roll, just in time to avoid the pounce of a silver-grey malk—a feline creature about the size of a bobcat with wicked claws and the strength of a small bear. It landed where my head had been, its claws gouging chips from the stone floor.
I kicked the malk with my heel and sent him flying across the hall and into the stone wall. He hit with a yowl of protest. I whirled my attention back to Mab as she dropped one drum magazine on the floor and produced another.
Before she could seat it in the weapon, I slashed at the air with my hand and shouted, “Forzare!” Unseen force lashed out and ripped the magazine and the shotgun alike from her hands. I made a yanking motion, and the bouncing shotgun abruptly shot across the empty space between us. I grabbed it by the barrel (which was freaking hot) just as the malk recovered and leapt at me again. I swung the empty shotgun two-handed and slammed the malk in the skull, hard enough to knock it from the air and leave it senseless on the floor.
Mab let out a delighted, silvery laugh and clapped her hands like a little girl who has just been told she’s getting a pony. “Yes!” she said. “Lovely. Brutal, vicious, and lovely.” ”
what i meant was i already know about dresden
i need feats for lestat
Also as a side note i think Sam and Dean from supernatural need some matches.
im thinking of suggesting one today which is Sam and Dean vs Weeping angels. Im gonna include a location and some sort of item they need to collect before the weeping angels get them.
I know, but I said I’d bring the feat over so I wanted to get that done.
I don’t have the books to get any feats for Lestat….I remember flight…..resistance to sunlight to the point he flew to the upper atmosphere and only got a painful tan…used his tk to kill a bunch of vampires (only works on vampire though I believe)
ok i didnt realize that
also do you think i should go ahead and suggest the match i explained below in post #18 or is there anything i need to tweak to make it better
it might work, I’d take it to the vs match aide on the topia to be safe though.
Hmmm let me see if I can find some Lestat feats
The only thing either of these two could win is a suck off.
Haven’t seen Lestat on FP much. Nice to see him crop up. Though may not go well for him.
I will assume that this fight takes place at night with no time limit i.e. sunrise.
Lestat has telepathy (city to small continent ranged if memory serves), flight (possibly supersonic), superhuman speed, strength and durability, ability to resist fire/heat with willpower, pyrokinesis, telekinesis, improved brainpower, ability to learn via mind rape or consuming blood, sunlight won’t kill him, cold temperatures don’t bother him.
Major weaknesses are tendency to be emotional brat and weakness to fire (and that isn’t even as much of a bother to him as before as after Queen of the Damned he is largely immune to fire/heat and flying into the dawn at 50,000ft and burning all the way down didn’t kill him).
Wiki I know but it’s pretty accurate from what I can tell:
It’s been a while since I read the books so if people want quotes they may be waiting a while.
Could be a decent fight. Dresden has the versatility in a fire fight, and possibly the power edge in the two areas of ‘magic’ they compete in (fire and kinetic energy) but Lestat has the endurance, speed, agility and strength to get out, or fly out, of the way of attacks whilst attacking with fire and telekinetic force.
Pre-Changes Dresden will get worn down pretty quickly as long as Dresden does his usual ‘throw enough power at it until it goes boom’ tactics at which point Lestat with burn him, crush him or drain him of blood.
Post-Changes Dresden poses more of a threat but the abilities of the Winter Knight will likely only slow down the rate of attrition.
There is one area for each of them that can be classed as insta-win for each of them if they can pull it off:
Dresden rips open a portal to the Nevernever and somehow manages to force Lestat through it and seals it up. Dresden wins by BFR, though given Lestat’s speed, flight and strength and that this spell drains Dresden greatly this is abit unlikely.
Lestat literally mind fucks Dresden into oblivion then kills him. This is a distinct possibility but would depend on their relative telepathic strengths and defensives. Dresden’s mind has been described as a fortress but Lestat is far above human, even Wizarding, leagues in this regard. The only thing that may come close is when Dresden shrugged of the Outsiders mind fuck, though he had massive fallen angel assistance and since he carries a massive plot shield in regard to the Outsiders I’m not sure how much it is of a fear.
Food for thought.
Cold Days he mentally pimp smacks a different Outsider that tries it and proceeds t mind rape back.
I’ll bring more shortly.
True but how much of that is due to him being Starborn and thus his powers are much more effective against Outsiders than they otherwise would be?
Not siding with either one at this point but not sure that any of Dresden’s feats against Outsiders can be taken without a healthy dose of Harry Dresden’s Own Brand Plot Shield, making most of them unquantifiable against non-outsider enemies.
“Lestat takes this easily…
Blade’s best form of vampire murder, decapitation, wouldn’t work on Lestat…
as stated in Blood and Gold and The Vampire Lestat, both Marius, Magnus, Armand and various other vampires have survived Decapitation and simply put their head back on, a lick of blood and it’s good as new…
as for Lestat’s other powers, let’s have a quick run down of both characters…
Rapid healing factor
Survive exposure to the sun.
So… aside from the fact that Lestat could incenerate Blade or crush him with a thought… he could also use his superhuman speed and strength to rip Blade into shreads before Blade even got his sword out…
I’d say Blade has about as much chance of surviving two seconds of this encounter as Archie would have in a fist fight with Midnighter
Found this on Comic vine
“That was fast.
Um, I guess if you read the books it would be easiest. But here goes, my best explanation..
He can fly and run faster than the human eye can see (Very easily…if he ran or flew at like 10% speed I’d imagine a human still couldn’t see him move) he is telekinetic and telepathic, he can also ignite things with his mind.
Physical strength level I’m not sure. Before his most recent and biggest upgrade he was able to fold a penny 4-8 times (I forget which). But since that he has gotten much stronger.”
Found this on KMC
Uh, Ammo, this is Harry Dresden, not Blade.
It also appears that Murder has decided to troll today. Always classy.
From what I’ve seen (which, mind, is very little) Lestat may have an advantage due to mind-powers, which Dresden may not have a defense against. But you can’t count out Dresden’s gravity spell, so take that for what it’s worth.
@Reaper at #26
The Pumpkin-headed one was born that way, part of why he’s awesome.
I know its dresden not blade I got those from comic vine,which is where blade vs Lestat happened thats why it says blade
true, welcome back by the way, but in Ghost Story he says he taught Molly how to mental combat when she is waging mental war against Corpsetakers soul’s attempt to posses her, since similar to Vampire Chronicles Possession is part mind rape part kicking the other guys soul out, I can get the quotes if you’d like, but to sum it up basically in mental combat if Dresden can think it up it’ll attack Lestat, it’s basically a mental war, if Dresden thinks up an army of giant Yoda’s Lestat has to get through that to get to Dresden.
yeah which I why I’m just going to ignore him and his trolling.
the blade thing being from Comic Vine while likely true..should be taken with a grain of salt due to Comic Vine being notoriously anti Marvel.
Besides that, in a random encounter fight I’d put money on Dresden over Blade.
The ignite things with his mind deal on Lestat, according to the Vampire Chronicles wiki (posted by Reaper) it’s not pyrokinesis so much as somehow making vampire organs explode with a special form of his TK causes the vamps to burst into flames (something to do with the connection between Vampires which is why Lestat never does it to Humans)
Yea I was just posting them to get a start because finding actual quotes without having the books is proving to be hard.
Also what has dresden shown to create when he is using mental defense?
we haven’t seen him do it, but he trained Molly, and she was able to make a fully functioning Starship Enterprise inside a TARDIS treehouse. Oh and an omega bomb that would have vaporized both minds involved in the combat. Though Dresden’s more of a Star Wars fanboy so like I said Lestat would encounter Jedi, Deathstars, Star Destroyers….things of that nature.
So he hasn’t done it yet,or any documented form of it but since he taught the goddess molly,power scaling off of here doesn’t seem like a reach just would have to augment it to star wars
Oh, this was before she was a goddess, I think the quotes on here but I’ll see if I can find it and if not I’ll get it from the book. So really not powerscaling.
and yeah, that or Marvel’s Avengers, he’s as much a Marvel Fanboy as a Star Wars fanboy, so basically Lestat would have to besiege a fortress guarded by Jedi, the Avengers, and possibly the Justice League.
@murder post #23
while Im sure you would enjoy watching that, we are not debating the gay porno scenes you seem to be obsessed with were debating who would win in a fight.
Thanks, I never really left. I was just lurking with intent to post but not really getting around to actually posting.
Worth pointing out that though it may look like the Death Star, or whatever, it’s only as strong as Dresden can make it with… willpower I guess though it does wear him out physically, or at least people in general from the Dresdenverse get tried when doing such psychic shenanigans from what I remember.
Now if only I could remember if Lestat could move about while he is mind raping because from memory Dresden can’t move whilst defending himself that way, and I say defending because CIS would prevent him from attacking in that way. If Lestat can then he wins hands down, but I will need to check on that though I have a feeling it isn’t covered one way or another in The Tale of the Body Thief.
You mentioned that Lestat never, or can’t, set humans on fire. He does in Blood Canticle, twice at least. Page 312:
“The door burst open again, and this time the black greasy barrel of a gun preceded the man who had kicked it in. I sent the discrete power to hurl him backwards and destroy his heart. A spray of bullets struck the white ceiling. Too close. They might have killed this vile talking creature. What a loss.
I plunged through the door. I found myself in a long thatch-roofed porch. Another mortal lifted his weapon. I sent the fire. And in the sudden brilliant illumination, I saw another man running. The fire caught him. Be quick.
When I turned around, a young woman, jeans, shirt, snarling curses in my face, came at me with a big automatic weapon. I disarmed her, and sent the power. She collapsed, blood gushing from her mouth.”
I do also recall at least some mention of Marius or someone else light’s torch’s or oil lamps with the power. So pretty sure it effectively is pyrokinesis.
I have realised that there are three types of ‘mind rape’ Lestat could employ.
1.) Possession. Lestat embarks on an out of body attack on Dresden. Not a particularly good idea since if Lestat was successful Dresden would gain Lestat’s body. As Lestat is not in his body while doing this he cannot attack physically at the same time.
2.) Telepathy. Lestat can hear Dresden’s thoughts as they surface providing a large tactical advantage, unless of course Dresden is shielding himself which takes Dresden’s full attention which would then allow Lestat to beat Dresden to a pulp. Lestat can use this ability without effort, infact due the its range and power most powerful Anne Rice vampires consciously try to suppress this ability or otherwise supress the tens of thousands of voices they could hear at any one time to background noise.
3.) What effectively amounts to a Jedi Mind Trick. Again this can be done on the fly. Again likely something Dresden would have to shield himself against, though the Winter Knights mantle may provide some sort of passive defence.
haven’t read blood canticle (only got to Body Thief, but I do know the bodies can’t move while the possession thing is happening. not till a new soul is in it.)
Yeah wasn’t sure on that when I said it first time but re-read the final bit of Body Thief, realised that and wrote that second post quickly.
yeah my bad.
Anyway, not sure if the Winter Mantle adds any passive mental defense or not, though Dresden did have an easier time getting out of He Who Walks Before’s mind whamey than Thomas and Mac…whatever Mac is…
So I gathered Lestat is holding a slight edge so far,is this correct?
Well, Hellfire did give Dresden the edge against Corpsetaker, or at least enough of a power boost to startle her. Soulfire does much of the same and Winter can be used to the same effect aswell. So maybe not a passive resistance but it may give Dresden more oomph to fight back with.
I really can’t find anything for lestat
yeah, Lestat is hard to find info on sadly.
other than his shield bracelet does Harry have any durability?
In Fool Moon he was shot in the shoulder and it took him out.
he has slightly above average human durability and his dusters enchantments cushion blows, theres been several times had he not had it a bow would have gone through him like tissue paper. As the winter knight he alsi doesn’t feel pain as easily…but it likely won’t come in play.
So… Dresden wins?
@Dark God at #50
Not quite yet, I’d think.
I’d dare say that at the moment its looking to be the old Pumpkin-headed one’s fight to lose at the moment.
not sure if this counts as fighting off mind rape or not, but breaking the illusions used on him by the piece of a Fallen Angel in his head…honestly her statement about the ancientness of angels may be more interesting than the feat itself.
“Move,” I murmured. “Before I move you.” Then I paused and said, “Wait a minute. What am I thinking? It isn’t as though you can stop me.” Then I simply stepped through Lasciel’s image to the table, and reached for the white envelope. The white envelope began to spin in place on the table, and abruptly became dozens of envelopes, each identical, each whirling like a pinwheel. “But I can,” Lasciel said quietly. I looked up to find her standing on the opposite side of the table from me. “I witnessed the birth of time itself. I watched the mortal coil spring forth from perfect darkness. I watched the stars form, watched this world coalesce, watched as life was breathed into it and as your kind rose to rule it.” She put both hands on the table and leaned toward me, her blue eyes cold and hard. “Thus far, I have behaved as a guest ought. But do not mistake propriety for weakness, mortal. I beg you not to oblige me to take further action.” I narrowed my eyes and reached for my Sight. Before I could use it, my left hand exploded into flame. Pain, pain, PAIN. Fire, scorching, parboiling my hand as I tried to hold it back with my shield bracelet. The memory of my injury in that vampire-haunted basement came rushing back to me in THX, and my nerve endings were listening. I fought down a scream, breathing, my teeth snapping together so suddenly and sharply that a fleck of one of my molars chipped away. It was an illusion, I told myself. A memory. It’s a ghost, nothing more. It cannot harm you if you do not allow it to do so. I pushed hard against that memory, turning the focus of my will against it. I felt the illusion-memory wobble, and then the pain was gone, the fire out. My body pumped endorphins into my bloodstream a heartbeat later, and I drifted on them as my focus started to collapse. I leaned hard against the table, my left hand held close to my chest in pure reflex, my right supporting my weight. I turned my attention to the envelopes and forced my will against them until the illusions grew translucent. I picked up the real envelope. Lasciel regarded me steadily, her beautiful face unyielding, determined. “Sooner or later I’ll push through anything you throw,” I panted. “You know that.“
Proven Guilty, Chapter 33
Wasn’t Lash living in Dresden’s own brainspace, making that more of a ‘internal discussion’ within Dresden’s mind (even if he perceived it to be outside of his mind) and less of Dresden resisting mental attack?
Besides I don’t think Lestat has a direct equivalent of this sort of attack. He can read thoughts, possess or ‘glamour’ mortals into thinking whatever he want’s. He can’t do the whole visual hallucination thing.
That part of Proven Guilty suggests that Dresden can work his way through a mind trick with a short pause and a bit of effort, given Lestat’s speed a short pause would give Lestat time to get to melee range and kill Harry.
Something that hasn’t been mentioned is the setting, an ancient castle. Plenty of cover to hide behind and allow Dresden to wear himself out destroying rocks.
she was which is probably why it took so much effort.
Considering he used his site to track Arianna Ortega during their duel in changes don’t see a reason Dresden couldn’t do that again here.
and I wish I could remember suggesting this.
“and I wish I could remember suggesting this.”
Something done whilst drunk? Or just a long while ago?
“Considering he used his site to track Arianna Ortega during their duel in changes don’t see a reason Dresden couldn’t do that again here.”
Again not sure Dresden’s Wizard Sight will help with anything other than visual and perhaps auditory illusions.
Being mind fucked to think Lestat is a friend, a prancing pony or that for some reason Harry must dance one legged under a waning moon whilst juggling the heads of all members of the Carpenter family doesn’t seem like something you can just focus away.
More to the point it does seem like it takes a few seconds for Dresden to gain any traction against illusion’s or to bring his Wizard’s Sight to bear. Even if Dresden can resist Lestat’s Jedi mind trick equivalent with something other than his mind war castle (which I doubt) then the few second it takes him to realise what’s happening will likely result in his death.
” a prancing pony”
Scratch that one. Since that would definitely be visual mind fuckery.
I remember you helping me of The Topia with a dresden vs lestat fight
yeah, I remember you suggesting it too. But I didn’t suggest this one..
Could be something you did a looooooooooooong time ago
But so far
Lestat has the edge on the surface but they are hard to back up because of lack of feats
So how do we handle this?
Does Lestat have any feats? Do we have quotes, or anything? A wiki entry won’t cut it.
So he’s one of those ambiguous characters? Lovely
I’ve read the books so I can verify the accuracy of what’s been said…if that helps
Feats must be open to observation and analysis. Lioncourt may by thought to win, but without true proof it won’t matter.
figured as much.
If I still had access to the books I’d try to get quotes but as I can’t
@Admiral at #64
If nothing else, we can wait until someone grabs the novels and brings the quotes on hand.
Don’t tell me that the wikias used to gather info on him is one of those citation-free cases that are generic.
I have all the Lestat books. To save myself and others the pain of me typing out endless 1000′s of words without much context or relevance (which I find so fucking annoying when others do, just get to the sodding bit of the quote which is relevant to the sodding feat /rant over) I will try and get quotes for speed, strength, durability, flight and the mind fuckery feats. I have already provided quotes for pyrokinesis and telekinesis.
If any want’s quotes for other very specific feats let me know, I’m not going to be posting endless text quotes in the hopes of getting something good and useable.
Won’t be tonight, but can do it tomorrow and Sunday.
The wiki regarding the powers is 100% accurate in regard to the variety of powers (all of which Lestat has). The only debatable areas are the powers potency, which admittedly the books are not very specific about.
That said if Lestat can either surprise Dresden, or get him to drop his shield, the telekinetic attack the crushed the internal organs of the female merc in my quote at #39 would be enough for a win.
I suppose this has been covered in other fights but I haven’t read them if it has but I assume that Lestat causing enough damage to get Dresden to use his deathcurse still counts as a win for Lestat even if Dresden kills him after. It seems abit unfair to make Lestat have to kill Dresden in a way that doesn’t allow him to use his death curse.
Death curse is a choice of death taking your foe with them as opposed to dying at their hand, Dresden would use all the magic he could get, all his life force, every ounce he could muster and well…before Winter Knight upgrade that was enough to vaporize Demonreach Island…now….yeah if Dresden does that it’s mutually assured destruction…a draw…
It does not necessarily mean to take your foe with you as the death curse, Die Alone, from the end of Dead Beat sent against Harry seems to be very much less than immediately lethal.
Love Dresden’s Dad’s response to that curse by the way.
Though I suppose in this particular Harry’s Death Curse would be, or at least attempt to be, very lethal.
I will have a read through the Vampire Chronicles books tomorrow to scan for quotes but not hoping for much explicit information, though Anne Rice does respond to Facebook questions quite frequently so might ask her to write a response detailing feats for me (not a joke).
@Admiral at #67
The idea of a successful MAD actually working?
Since there are no innocents there would be nothing stopping Dresden from going out with a bang if he had to…
Only other thing I could see would be if it was Dresden and another wizard and Dresden used his curse to neuter Lestat’s powers similar to what his mom did to Lord Raith.
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