Hayato Furinji Vs Marneus Calgar

Hayato Furinji Vs Marneus Calgar

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For this fight, we have Hayato Furinji of the Kenichi: The Mightiest Disciple series up against Marneus Calgar from Warhammer 40K.

These two warriors face each other at the gates of Troy, during the Greek War.

Who wins?

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85 Comments on "Hayato Furinji Vs Marneus Calgar"

  1. Dark God of Chaos March 7, 2013 at 7:20 am -      #1

    Well Marneus one shotted an Avatar of Khaine (since on of them was able to temporarily match Fulgrim) and has two gauntlets that belonged to Primarchs (name escapes me) and is one of the biggest baddest Ultramarines

    What can Hayato do? Any feats of strength, speed Know nothing except that he beat Yujiro on the OBD

  2. Dark God of Chaos March 7, 2013 at 7:23 am -      #2

    Oh and then theres the Iron Halo which is basically an energy shield which can tank lascannons (which have triple digit GJ outputs at least and make the shield more powerful)

    P.S: Why is my comment awaiting moderation?

  3. Private Khaos March 7, 2013 at 7:38 am -      #3

    Can someone full me in on this Hayato guy. I know plenty about 40k

  4. Dragonsmack March 7, 2013 at 8:12 am -      #4

    Powers and Abilities: Super strength, speed, durability, agility, uses both the Sei-Type (a user of this fights not with power or anger, but with talent, skills and wit) and the Dou-Type of martial arts (a user of this fights using their anger to exceed their limits, as such, they tend to be aggressive in combat, and rarely strays from the offensive) of Martial Arts, he however specializes in Sei, is the creator and a master of Fūrinji Style, it can be assumed by his extensive knowledge of martial arts that he knows just about every martial art in existence, or is at the very least familiar with them, is the creator of 108 different special techniques (including the Seikūken and Ryūsei Seikūken), can create two types of forcefields around himself the original Seikūken (Hayato creates a barrier around his defense zone and can thus neutralize or repel all attacks that enter his defenses) or the Ryūsei Seikūken (Hayato uses his flow to lock onto his opponent’s movements and through that he can predict the direction of the attacks and as a result can use minimal effort to dodge them – accurate to the millimeter), can create afterimages, can use a body splitting technique, Obstructive Lung Voice allows Hayato to narrow the path of his voice, and release it in a shockwave form, through this only one person can hear a message he is transmitting (this is a hypersonic voice), “Bi-Vocal” allows Hayato to divide his trachea, lungs and vocal cord into the right and left side, he can then speak two sentences at once, is able to create an axis in the middle of his body, and control the left and right sides of his body freely yet separately (this allows the Elder to act like two people), can limit his strength to up to 0.0001%, can run on water, perfect balance, can progress through observational gaps to hide his presence, ki manipulation (can use this to knock people out or mask his presence, can kill opponents with killing intent alone), ki detection, Rittoku No Kan (the user takes the five senses to the utmost limit and develops a sixth sense “Intuition” of “Perception”, it allows the user to reduce their time needed for reacting to one tenth, used like a sensor to catch movements they can’t follow with their eyes)

  5. Dark God of Chaos March 7, 2013 at 8:16 am -      #5

    *sigh* I was hoping for actual feats, not OBD copy/pastes

    Oh and said gauntlets are power fists, meaning they disrupt matter on the molecular level with their energy fields, thus ignoring conventional durability (mostly)

  6. Private Khaos March 7, 2013 at 9:11 am -      #6

    I’m guessing it will be a lot of dodging for this Hayato guy then with one punch by Calgar it will be over for him. Just my guess

  7. Crimson Sentry March 7, 2013 at 9:15 am -      #7

    All I have to say to any doubters is that look up your stuff before you comment.

    @Everyone
    I the way iron halos work is they are ineffective against melee weaponry. It is a conversion field that dissipates kinetic weaponry after a certain point (i.e. bullets, lazers, the like). Although to be honest with hyato he might actually activate it, since he’s such an extreme beast

  8. Crimson Sentry March 7, 2013 at 9:17 am -      #8

    @Dark god of chaos
    I do apologize, when I sent this to admin, I don’t think he read my whole email, I said that for this fight “The Gauntlets of Ultramar” will not have their molecule stripping property, since hyato uses his hands to fight.

  9. Crimson Sentry March 7, 2013 at 9:18 am -      #9

    @EVERYONE
    !!!!!!The Guantlets of Ultramar will not have their molecule stripping property for this fight.!!!!!!!

  10. Crimson Sentry March 7, 2013 at 9:36 am -      #10

    lol Dark I got two comments awaiting moderation, too much prawn

  11. Crimson Sentry March 7, 2013 at 9:39 am -      #11

    In short I was trying to say that “The Gauntlets of Ultramar” WILL NOT have their molecule stripping properties for this match considering that Hyato only uses his hands and it would be blatent tech win for Marneus.

  12. Awesome Assasin (with kung fu grip action and life like hair) March 7, 2013 at 10:37 am -      #12

    well seeing as i know nothing of iether of these guys i guess ill wait to debate until another match is posted either today or tomorow

  13. Dr. Doctor March 7, 2013 at 10:55 am -      #13

    I seem to remember something about Red, White, and Pink muscles. Other than that I don’t remember much of Kenichi. :/

  14. Dragonsmack March 7, 2013 at 12:03 pm -      #14

    Well they said in the manga that if Hayato goes 100 percent it turn Kenichi to cosmic dust mangafox.me/manga/history_s_strongest_disciple_kenichi/v26/c230/8.html

  15. Crimson Sentry March 7, 2013 at 12:17 pm -      #15

    The Comments of mine that are awaiting moderation were just me saying that for this match the Guantlets of Ultramar are not to have their molecule stripping properties. Since Hyato only attacks with his fists.

  16. TheSorrow March 7, 2013 at 1:27 pm -      #16

    Well they said in the manga that if Hayato goes 100 percent it turn Kenichi to cosmic dust mangafox.me/manga/history_s_strongest_disciple_kenichi/v26/c230/8.html

    Hyperbole, an exaggeration to show how much better he is than Kenichi.

  17. Crimson Sentry March 7, 2013 at 1:39 pm -      #17

    In my honest opinion however I do think that both combatants are relatively similar in strength.

    Marenus becing similar to that of an Avatar of Khaine and Hyato can bust buildings with ease, I guess I can find specific instances if needed.

  18. Crimson Sentry March 7, 2013 at 1:44 pm -      #18

    He can flip tanks with ease, and crush and bend iron like paper, but think his greatest asset is his speed and reflexes.

  19. TheSorrow March 7, 2013 at 1:50 pm -      #19
  20. TheSorrow March 7, 2013 at 1:54 pm -      #20

    He is also able to use humans as shuriken.

  21. Murder March 7, 2013 at 2:45 pm -      #21

    With all his abilities, this Hayato guy seems more Primarch level than a Chapter Master. Almost Magnus the Red in many respects.
    __
    What durability feats does this guy have? Can he with stand a blow that destroys matter? Power fist are usually slow, so if he is fast enough(At least subsonic) He may be able to dodge which leads me to the next question. What kind of stamina does this guy have? Does he have healing powers? Calgar can survive deadly blows and be healed back to new in a few minutes so If Hayato can’t do the same it may be a battle that favors Calgar the longer it last.

  22. Dark God of Chaos March 7, 2013 at 4:45 pm -      #22

    “With all his abilities, this Hayato guy seems more Primarch level than a Chapter Master. ”

    lolwut? Primarchs are mountain busters and Crimson said that Hayato is a building buster, which is a ridiculous difference in DC

    Either way, since several Space Marines have bullet timed easily and Calgar (if he’s wearing Artificer Armor) should be a great deal faster than them. I’d say they’re more or less comparable in speed too imho

    But like Murder said, anyone got durability feats Hayato?

  23. Murder March 7, 2013 at 5:17 pm -      #23

    Primarchs are not mountain busters… I’m tired of that one sentence of hyperbole being interpreted as a fact of their strength. They are around the 50-80 ton mark based on the novels of the Horus Heresy. This guy flipped a tank, although it took much effort, that’s still a 50-60 ton feat. He’s fast enough to run on water, which is more than any space marine, and he can create shields around him that protects him from attacks that are similar to a kine shield used by Magnus.

  24. Knukails March 7, 2013 at 5:25 pm -      #24

    Can he harm a space marine? I remember Reading Mc vs. Sm detailing the incredible power of the space marines.

  25. Dark God of Chaos March 7, 2013 at 5:35 pm -      #25

    “Primarchs are not mountain busters”

    Yes they are

    “I’m tired of that one sentence of hyperbole being interpreted as a fact of their strength”

    Since Ferrus and the GEoM levelled a whole mountain range during their fight, Magnus and Russ’ fight caused an earthquake that levelled a huge city and (I think) Magnus reminisced about him and his brother destroying mountains during their training or whatever. Oh and Angron brushing off an explosion that levelled a huge fortress and having enough strength to effortlessly brush the rubble off him, I say it’s legit

    “They are around the 50-80 ton mark based on the novels of the Horus Heresy”

    Since Angron was able to effortlessly brush off several thousand tons of rock and steel being buried on him, Class 50-80 nothing. Brushing tanks away is small scale for 40K chars like Carnifexes, let alone Greater Daemons and Primarchs

    “Can he harm a space marine?”

    I’d say it possible for him to do so since he can level buildings going by CS’ post

  26. Murder March 7, 2013 at 6:10 pm -      #26

    You either can’t read good or you are just repeating second hand accounts.
    -GEOM Vs. Russ- Hyperbole.
    -Magnus Vs Russ- No they didn’t. The city was mostly unharmed by their fight.
    -More hyperbole. Every time someone in W40k ‘remembers’ something it’s done in that old, Norse manner of exaggerating every event for theatrics effect and not historical accuracies.
    -Thousands of tons of rock covered Angron, not tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands. Also keep in mind that it’s told from the perspective of a man reminiscing again.

    Feats that are said to of happened or in a certain way are not facts. Feats that work are of Corax ripping a Predator’s turret off (A weak area of a tank, but still a 30 ton feat at least), Vulkan pushing a Rhino out of the way with ease (At least a 70-80 ton feat), Fulgrim Punching through wraithbone with his bare hands (A 50-80 ton feat) and Sanguinus fighting and beating a Greater Deamon of Khorne which flipped a Predator over with little trouble (The GD is probably 100 ton mark, Sang 80 normal, enraged 90)

    If you think Primarchs can actually level mountains then that would mean Ork Warbosses are capable of the same feat considering it Horus saved the life of the Emperor by cutting off the hands of an Ork Warboss who was CHOKING OUT the Emperor. That would also mean the Imperium is FUCKED.
    -

  27. Crimson Sentry March 7, 2013 at 6:39 pm -      #27

    Look up some feats for an avatar of Khaine, as I said before Marneus’s strength should be similar, since he defeated one by literally bludgeoning it with his fists.

  28. Crimson Sentry March 7, 2013 at 6:40 pm -      #28

    For this match the Gauntlets will not have their matter stripping property since, this is unfair to Hyato who fights with his fists barehanded and is a not a daemon lol

  29. Crimson Sentry March 7, 2013 at 6:40 pm -      #29

    ^I’ve been trying to say that a billion times but it says it keeps awaiting moderation

  30. Crimson Sentry March 7, 2013 at 6:42 pm -      #30

    I think Hyato has an ability that can send his damage through an object, however on Marneus the effects would be drastically reduced considering he has hardly any flesh and blood anymore. Hyato would have to strike for the joints which I thtink he has the capacity to do.

  31. Crimson Sentry March 7, 2013 at 6:47 pm -      #31

    Hey Murder I know it seems like hyperbole, but if it is written we have to go by it unfortunately. If it means anything, Angron with his bloodthirsters and berserkers in one of the older black crusades were fucking up titan legions, which means they would have to have incredible destruction feats.

  32. Blue Tempest March 7, 2013 at 6:51 pm -      #32

    I’m going with Hayato for this one. He’s fast enough to run over water, can simulate flight by kicking the air when he jumps, has pseudo ki blasts and was considered by everyone in the manga to be the strongest being on the planet at 0.0002% percent of his full power while his eyes were closed.

    I don’t know much about the other guy, but I doubt he can do anything to get past Seikuken or Ryusui Seikuken.

  33. Dark God of Chaos March 7, 2013 at 6:52 pm -      #33

    “If you think Primarchs can actually level mountains then that would mean Ork Warbosses are capable of the same feat considering it Horus saved the life of the Emperor by cutting off the hands of an Ork Warboss who was CHOKING OUT the Emperor”

    Your point? Just goes to shown some Ork Warbosses are really powerful. Besdies, I was under the impression that not all Ork Warbosses were the same level and that the Emperor was allowing that to happen since he wanted Horus to become Warmaster

    “That would also mean the Imperium is FUCKED.”

    On the ground at least. Orbital Bombardments could still do away with them. That and 40K has several weapons that ignore conventional durability such as power weapons, plasma weapons and melta weapons so…. yeah

    “Thousands of tons of rock covered Angron, not tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands”

    So? Still says that 80 tons is small scale for Primarchs

    “Also keep in mind that it’s told from the perspective of a man reminiscing again.”

    Unless you have something better, it’s still feat regardless of how you slice it

    “-GEOM Vs. Russ- Hyperbole.”

    Its one of those things taken at face value since thats the best account we have of what actually happened (same with several Marvel characters, namely Early series Thor stated to be powerful enough to level a mountain with his hammer). Btw, I said Ferrus Manus vs GEoM

    Oh, and Ferrus also effortlessly bent a metal that stood up to an impact that created a 100km wide and 1km deep crater as a baby. Say what you will about that

    “-Magnus Vs Russ- No they didn’t. The city was mostly unharmed by their fight.”

    “The assault on the senses was total, and Ahriman could barely keep his feet as hurricane-force winds battered the pyramid, tearing glass panes from its structure and breaking the silver and gold towers from its corners. Thunder banged in the midnight sky, and heaving earthquakes ripped ever-widening cracks in the ground, toppling what few structures of Tizca remained standing.”

    Yeah, “mostly unharmed” my ass (and since Russ has a sword capable of levelling mountains, yeah)

    “Feats that are said to of happened or in a certain way are not facts”

    You saying its hyperbole because its a high end feat doesn’t make it so. And since even Carnifexes have swatted tanks aside like flies and Bloodthirsters stomp them and Primarchs are capable of beating Bloodthirsters, yeah, Class 50 nothing

    “Then the carnifex was on them. Shrieking, it lacerated two nearby tanks and flicked them aside. The last thing Grizmund saw was mouth of the venom cannon it raised towards his vehicle.”
    -Pg.158 Let the Galaxy Burn

    Regardless, not the time or place to be arguing this thing

    Anyone got some feats for Hayato in durability?

  34. Dark God of Chaos March 7, 2013 at 6:54 pm -      #34

    And like CS said, there are several things taken at face value that are statements (several statements about Marvel characters, Samus having terrawatt weapons, etc)

  35. Crimson Sentry March 7, 2013 at 6:57 pm -      #35

    @Blue
    Actually with the whole .0002% percent power thing was the other masters qualifying how hard he was fighting Kenichi and Miu (the two series protagonists) compared to his overall martial arts ability. Him uprooting trees while he’s in that mode is not .0002% of his power only his martial arts ability.

    Also in reference to when they say he is still the most powerful fighter in the world, they were just referring to when he has his eyes closed, but not limiting his power.

  36. Blue Tempest March 7, 2013 at 6:59 pm -      #36

    @Dark God of Chaos

    There aren’t any real durability feats for Hayato. He’s never really been hit by anything in the manga in the present time. However, a character named Sasaki was punched through a glass window on one of the top floors of a skyscraper and he only go a few nicks and scratches. Hayato at 0.0002% of his max power with his eyes closed is considered to be vastly better than him in every combat related aspect.

    You can use that for power scaling I guess.

  37. Crimson Sentry March 7, 2013 at 7:03 pm -      #37

    Durability wise for Hyato, there are not many people who dare even attempt to fight him (even other super masters) because he is such a rapist, however one of the super masters the series mentioned he fought was able to decimate concrete and steel with ease as well as cutting a tower in two.

  38. Dark God of Chaos March 7, 2013 at 7:03 pm -      #38

    “There aren’t any real durability feats for Hayato. He’s never really been hit by anything in the manga in the present time”

    So in that case a powerfist could kill him in one hit then?

    “However, a character named Sasaki was punched through a glass window on one of the top floors of a skyscraper and he only go a few nicks and scratches.”

    Being punched through glass isn’t really all that significant to any Space Marine (unless you use low end feats)

    P.S: Its nice to know my comment is still awaiting moderation and that Hayato looks kind of like Haak Fu from Jackie Chan Adventures

  39. Murder March 7, 2013 at 7:04 pm -      #39

    @Crimson- Not that impressive considering Tyranid gaunts have swarmed Titans and taken them down. Titans seem to be weak against zerg rushing.

  40. Blue Tempest March 7, 2013 at 7:05 pm -      #40

    @Crimson

    They never once say only .0002% of his matial arts ability though. Akisame just says that that he’s only using 0.0002% of his power whilst keeping his eyes closed and splitting his concentration and body movements to sure not to go overboard in his fight.

  41. Blue Tempest March 7, 2013 at 7:08 pm -      #41

    @Dark God

    I meant Sasaki was punched through the glass, out of the window then fell all the way down to the concrete from nearly the top of the skyscraper.

  42. Dark God of Chaos March 7, 2013 at 7:13 pm -      #42

    “Tyranid gaunts have swarmed Titans and taken them down.”

    Citation plx

    Also what kind of “Titan” in this context

    “I meant Sasaki was punched through the glass, out of the window then fell all the way down to the concrete from nearly the top of the skyscraper.”

    Oh thats what you meant. Well some Space Marines have survived re-entry, although this may be a bit high end

  43. Murder March 7, 2013 at 7:18 pm -      #43

    @Chaos- Magnus Vs Russ: That was a result of the their psychic energies colliding, tearing at a thin veil Prospero existed in. Even Horus fighting the Emperor didn’t cause that much damage. Their actual fighting did nothing to the city.

  44. Murder March 7, 2013 at 7:29 pm -      #44

    @Chaos- Titan II: Vivaporius, I see no scans but several titans were destroyed in their fight against the Tyranids, including one that gaunts managed to crawl inside and destroy from within.

  45. Crimson Sentry March 7, 2013 at 8:00 pm -      #45

    @dark
    as I said before, for this fight the molecule stripping ability of the gauntlets will not be counted, however i think that a punch from a super master is on par with a punch from calgar

  46. Dark God of Chaos March 7, 2013 at 8:06 pm -      #46

    @CS
    Yeah, I didn’t notice that until after your comments were moderated. But yeah, they should be more or less comparable physically imho

  47. Murder March 7, 2013 at 8:12 pm -      #47

    Still needs feats on Hayatos durability and stamina and whether he has regenerative abilities. They seem pretty balanced even with Hayatos being faster and having abilities similar to a powerful psyker, but Calgar has taken on and beaten stronger foes and powerful psykers. Tough call until more information comes forth.

  48. Dark God of Chaos March 7, 2013 at 8:17 pm -      #48

    Also, how good is this guy against piercing damage, since I’d argue bolters could harm him, if they could hit him

  49. Blue Tempest March 7, 2013 at 8:37 pm -      #49

    “Still needs feats on Hayatos durability and stamina”

    You’ll have to powerscale for durability. For stamina, he beat 500 martial artists at once and has fought against the US army several times (notably tanks) without breaking a sweat

    “and whether he has regenerative abilities.”

    He can use his ki to heal himself and others.

    So, how’s Clagar do against Seikuken, Ryusui Seikuken, Kazoe Nukite, Korui Nuki and the shockwave of forgetfulness?

  50. Dark God of Chaos March 7, 2013 at 8:42 pm -      #50

    “He can use his ki to heal himself and others”

    To what extent exactly?

    “Seikuken, Ryusui Seikuken, Kazoe Nukite, Korui Nuki and the shockwave of forgetfulness?”

    What are those? Destructive Capacity? Or do they ignore durability?

  51. Locutus March 7, 2013 at 8:43 pm -      #51

    “If you think Primarchs can actually level mountains then that would mean Ork Warbosses are capable of the same feat considering it Horus saved the life of the Emperor by cutting off the hands of an Ork Warboss who was CHOKING OUT the Emperor. That would also mean the Imperium is FUCKED.”

    Not really.
    The God Emperor probably allowed the Ork to “try” and choke him out because it was an excellent opportunity to get closer to his favorite son. He would’ve seen with his psychic awareness that Horus would come to his aide and “save the day”. Such an event would greatly strengthen the bond between them.

  52. Crimson Sentry March 7, 2013 at 8:53 pm -      #52

    @blue
    trust me dawg I read through the entire series, the mos powerful man on earth was only referring to the blind part, .0002% was just when he was fighting the protagonists.

  53. Blue Tempest March 7, 2013 at 9:02 pm -      #53

    “To what extent exactly?”

    Can’t remember. I’ll need to find a scan. Should be proportionate to the amount of ki he has though.

    “What are those? Destructive Capacity? Or do they ignore durability?”

    Seikuken – He creates a barrier around himself equal in size to his arm’s length. It can only be broken by sufficient force.

    Ryusui Seikuken – He makes a thin layer above his skin that allows him to dodge and counter attacks at the last possible moment. He must always be looking at the opponent’s eyes, and it can only be stopped if someone interrupts his breathing (which they probably won’t)

    Kazoe Nukite – An attack that breaks through an opponent’s defence. Strength depends on the number of fingers he uses and it get stronger with every decreasing finger.

    Korui Nuki – A full power kick directly to the point where the enemy’s defence is weakest. Very likely to kill anyone not on his level.

    Shokwave of forgetfulness – He makes a shockwave… that makes you forget things. He can make you forget anything from recent memories to complete amnesia.

    He has more skills, but I’ll bring them up as the discussion goes on.

  54. Blue Tempest March 7, 2013 at 9:08 pm -      #54

    @Crimson

    So have I. Akisame makes it pretty clear that he was reffering to his overall strength and not just his martial arts ability. Hayato-Erm… “Garyuu X” pretty much confirms this when he says that he won’t go easy on them despite holding back. Plus he was still blocking everything they threw at him.

    Also, if he restricted his martial atrs ability to the point where Kenichi and Miu had a shot at winning (which he did), then there would have been no way for him to pull off crap like bi-vocal and Split-self which are techniques way beyond their level.

  55. Dark God of Chaos March 7, 2013 at 9:09 pm -      #55

    “Seikuken – He creates a barrier around himself equal in size to his arm’s length. It can only be broken by sufficient force.”

    And what kind of attacks has it tanked?

    “Ryusui Seikuken – He makes a thin layer above his skin that allows him to dodge and counter attacks at the last possible moment”

    Whats the fastest thing he’s countered?

    “Kazoe Nukite – An attack that breaks through an opponent’s defence”

    Sounds like a no limit fallacy to me

    “A full power kick directly to the point where the enemy’s defence is weakest. Very likely to kill anyone not on his level.”

    So somewhere like of of Calgar’s joints? Also if its not likely to kill anyone on his level, yeah

    “Shokwave of forgetfulness – He makes a shockwave… that makes you forget things”

    Space Marines have some level of resistance to mental based attacks (afaik) so its debatable Calgar could resist it (it being a mental effect)

  56. Murder March 7, 2013 at 9:25 pm -      #56

    @Locutus- Speculation. No where is that said even though I agree with you.

    @Blue- That shockwave of Forgetfulness sounds like a problem even if it just makes him hesitate. Is it known if it works against a mind built like a fortress that can resist almost all forms of psychic attacks?

  57. Blue Tempest March 7, 2013 at 9:25 pm -      #57

    “And what kind of attacks has it tanked?”

    No clue. Like I said before, very little about Hayato’s full power has been revealed. You’d have to powerscale off of others who can use it.

    “Whats the fastest thing he’s countered?”

    Same as above.

    “Sounds like a no limit fallacy to me”

    No one said it would break through everything. Also, NLFs are a bit stupid in my opinion.

    “So somewhere like of of Calgar’s joints? Also if its not likely to kill anyone on his level, yeah”

    Yeah, this is one of the most powerful moves in the series when comparing it on a class basis. You can kill most people on your level with it.

    it looks like this by the way: images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090915022803/kenichi/images/thumb/0/0d/Kenichi3.jpg/1000px-Kenichi3.jpg

    I don’t know if it’s a true mental attack. What he does is precisely strike both sides of a person’s temple to induce memory loss. It’s just a physical attack with side-affects that causes damage to the person’s brain presumably.

    images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120425034120/kenichi/images/2/2b/Shockwave_of_forgetfulness.jpg

  58. Blue Tempest March 7, 2013 at 9:33 pm -      #58

    “Is it known if it works against a mind built like a fortress that can resist almost all forms of psychic attacks?”

    Most master class fighters and up typically have pretty stable minds. Well, except for the psycho/loose cannon fighters. Regardless, it’s not a psychic attack so much as it is a physical one that causes some degree of brain damage so I really can’t say how it would work against someone with mind fuckery resistance.

  59. Dark God of Chaos March 7, 2013 at 9:39 pm -      #59

    “No clue. Like I said before, very little about Hayato’s full power has been revealed. You’d have to powerscale off of others who can use it.”

    Well you’re the one supporting him, you tell me how powerful it has been when other users have used it (only just started the manga today and only read a few chapters)

    “Same as above”

    Well you tell me then

    Well the any defense thing is a bit of an NLF

    Still I’d say Calgar’s reactions are fast enough to avoid speedblitzing

    “Yeah, this is one of the most powerful moves in the series when comparing it on a class basis. You can kill most people on your level with it.”

    Does it ignore durability like one of Kenshiro’s attacks of which the name escapes me right now? Otherwise well have to see what it has killed and what their durability was

    “I don’t know if it’s a true mental attack”

    I’d argue it is given its description of making people lose memories (effecting ones mind, in other words)

  60. Murder March 7, 2013 at 9:40 pm -      #60

    Jesus Christ look at these noobs! www.factpile.com/2167-ultron-vs-marneus-calgar/

    They actually think Calgar could stand a chance against Ultron! Wow.

  61. Blue Tempest March 7, 2013 at 10:06 pm -      #61

    “how powerful it has been when other users have used it (only just started the manga today and only read a few chapters)”

    Well, crap. I’ll try not to give you that many spoilers. For seikuken and ryusui seikuken to work, the user just basically needs to be able to predict and redirect attacks, meaning Hayato would need high reaction and movement speeds. In his casual fights, Hayato can pretty much dance around bullets and is able to move so fast that a camera recording a 1/1000 of a second could only barely catch a glimpse of his kick and it was still a blur. Combine that with his inner eye (which let’s him anticipate attacks) then he can realistically react to things moving at mach 30 at least. Again, this wasn’t even full power. With that we know the speeds that he’s capable of reacting to.

    The seikukens don’t really have a durability because they’re not an actual shield. They just guide things away from the user. i.e. if someone tries to punch him their fist will be redirected, thus the only way to break seikuken is to either exploit their respective weakness or strike faster than the person can act.

    “Does it ignore durability like one of Kenshiro’s attacks”

    Nope. It’s just a full power kick to the weakest point on the target. For example, if your chest was your weakest point, then he’d kick you at full power at that spot on your chest, thus dealing maximum damage.

    Also, with the two seikuken’s he’ll be predicting attacks and literally guiding Calgar’s movement’s before he even makes them with ryusui seikuken. If Calgar can’t break them, then I don’t see how he’s going to hit him.

  62. Crimson Sentry March 7, 2013 at 10:13 pm -      #62

    Lol murder agreed, I just checked that out, they are retarded :P

  63. Crimson Sentry March 7, 2013 at 10:15 pm -      #63

    I feel like his mental attack will be relatively ineffective against calgar who is superman human and cyborg.I love how no one is debating the gauntlets guns, seeing ask how Hyato is too fast for them.

  64. Dark God of Chaos March 7, 2013 at 11:50 pm -      #64

    “Lol murder agreed, I just checked that out, they are retarded”

    How far we’ve come since then :heston

    “gauntlets guns, seeing ask how Hyato is too fast for them.”

    I did bring up the storm bolters on them, but they’re a potential threat at best, other than possibly rate of fire

    “Nope. It’s just a full power kick to the weakest point on the target.”

    Then I’d argue Calgar could survive it given that his weakpoints are very narrow and that they don’t ignore durability

    “Again, this wasn’t even full power.”

    Its kind of hard to know how powerful he truly is so thats the best we have to go with

    Other than that I’m curious to know where the Mach 30 thing comes from

    “For seikuken and ryusui seikuken to work, the user just basically needs to be able to predict and redirect attacks, meaning Hayato would need high reaction and movement speeds”

    So it’s basically a high level of speed and reactions then

    Although the redirecting sounds like a bit of a problem, although I’d say that redirecting all attacks is an NLF. Sort of, it sounds a bit vague of a power (in terms of how it works)

  65. Crimson Sentry March 8, 2013 at 12:11 am -      #65

    @Dark
    This is somewhat of a misnomer, he tripped a guy at a speed of 1/1000th of a second, this is more of a reflex move as opposed to actual speed he can travel.

  66. TheSorrow March 8, 2013 at 12:23 am -      #66

    www.mangahere.com/manga/historys_strongest_disciple_kenichi/v36/c332/11.html Running on top of the sea from Japan to international waters, which at most is about 12 miles. Although someone may need to double check to see if that is correct.

  67. Crimson Sentry March 8, 2013 at 11:12 am -      #67

    Actually he’s also the only one in the series who can run on air.

  68. Blue Tempest March 8, 2013 at 4:27 pm -      #68

    @Crimson

    Well technically he kicks the air to propel himself, but still awesome nonetheless.

  69. Crimson Sentry March 8, 2013 at 7:30 pm -      #69

    ^
    Lol true

  70. Crimson Sentry March 8, 2013 at 7:48 pm -      #70

    I think Hyato would win this in the end by targeting the weak points win marneus calgar’s armor, in all honesty I think he is much to quick

  71. Dark God of Chaos March 8, 2013 at 8:08 pm -      #71

    “in all honesty I think he is much to quick”

    Well he is faster, Marneus could avoid being speedblitzed due to his reactions (unless the Mach 30 thing can be proven)

    ” he tripped a guy at a speed of 1/1000th of a second, this is more of a reflex move as opposed to actual speed he can travel.”

    Fair enough, which would be millisecond reflexes then

    “Running on top of the sea from Japan to international waters, which at most is about 12 miles”

    On Gabriel vs Kratos, Gabriel could run on water, which was calced to be 76mph. Though that would depend on how long it took for him to traverse said distance (even though he’s still faster anyways)

  72. Crimson Sentry March 8, 2013 at 8:13 pm -      #72

    The main advantage Marnes has here is that he does not have a human anatomy like hyato is used to, ask well as being half cyborg, so hyato would more than likely not be able to use pressure point bs. so I guess the question is whether or not he could beat marneus by either crushing him through these pressure points or by hitting his head lol, since it is uncovered.

  73. Dark God of Chaos March 8, 2013 at 8:23 pm -      #73

    “hitting his head lol, since it is uncovered.”

    Going by the Calgar vs Xenomorphs thread he actually does wear a helmet

  74. Blue Tempest March 8, 2013 at 9:39 pm -      #74

    @Crimson

    Hayato will probably win this match using the classic Ryozanpaku strategy:

    www.mangareader.net/337-23650-11/historys-strongest-disciple-kenichi/chapter-144.html

    :D

    In all serious though, how is Hayato going to get hit at all in this match? He’s more than fast enough to dodge Calgar’s attacks and of course Calgar has no way to stop him from using Ryusui Seikuken.

    Also, Hayato tends to troll at times, so he’ll probably stay positioned behind him until Calgar turns around and sucker punches him.

  75. Dark God of Chaos March 8, 2013 at 9:53 pm -      #75

    I did a bit of digging on this flow redirection and the earlier comments about being faster to overcome it

    Anyways, according to the OBD wiki, this power apparently the 3rd level works by anticipating his moves and dodging a attack before the opponent thinks of it, which suggests some form of precognition. Also it says you have to be absolutely calm in combat to use it

    What’s his stamina like? How long can he keep going on for?

  76. Blue Tempest March 9, 2013 at 12:48 am -      #76

    “this power apparently the 3rd level works by anticipating his moves and dodging a attack before the opponent thinks of it”

    That only applies to lvl 3 ryusui seikuken. And while he has what he calls an “inner eye” which lets him anticipate attacks, it’s not neccessary for the technique. This because he controls the enemy’s attack patterns while using it and thus makes knows what they’re going to do before they do it. That’s what happens when someone gets sucked into the flow of Ryusui seikuken.

    His stamina is beastly. There is nothing to show how much stamina he has, but he is the world’s most powerful being, has traveled the world, has taken on the US military, defeated 500 hundred martial artists by himself and dwarfs the other super masters by a huge margin. His stamina is massive. He could probably keep it going for weeks if he wanted.

  77. Crimson Sentry March 9, 2013 at 12:48 am -      #77

    He has never been shown to get tired even when fighting another super master class opponent

  78. Dark God of Chaos March 9, 2013 at 1:20 am -      #78

    “That only applies to lvl 3 ryusui seikuken. And while he has what he calls an “inner eye” which lets him anticipate attacks, it’s not necessary for the technique”

    Which is predicting them rather than reacting to them as per the definition(s)

    “This because he controls the enemy’s attack patterns while using it and thus makes knows what they’re going to do before they do it.”

    All I seemed to read was that he anticipates their attacks, nothing about controlling their attack patterns or anything of this nature. It’s still dodging attacks

    “dwarfs the other super masters by a huge margin”

    Unquantifiably greater margin. Just sayin’. Still impressive though

    “He could probably keep it going for weeks if he wanted.”

    So more or less comparable then (several Space Marines have fought for like, 2 weeks or something, which is not their upper limit, Calgar is one of the most powerful of them)

  79. Murder March 9, 2013 at 9:11 am -      #79

    At just 0.00002% of his power he was capable of

    – Moving so fast a high speed camera slowed down to 1/1000 of a second ciould barley capture his movement
    – Was strong enough to rip a tree in half
    -Was fighting both Miu and Kenichi at the same time. Both of whom are at least experts in martial arts


    Other feats.

    -Being able to defeat 500 martial arts
    -Running so fast he can run on water and can easily dodge bullets.
    -Created 108 unique techniques. Has possibly mastered every known martial art.
    -His senses are so developed he’s developed a sixth sense
    -Can read an opponents movements
    -Is stronger than master class fighters who have feats such as carving stone sculptured from their bare hands and bending large anti aircraft guns.

    After reading up on this guy, I think Calgar goes down. An epic battle, and sad to see a Hero like Calgar fall to a pansy-ass manga character, but the guy just seems too fast+strength should be enough to break Calgar.

  80. Darthgrim March 11, 2013 at 4:57 am -      #81

    Murder what the hell…

    GEOM vs. Horus was immensely destructive.

    GEOM being choked out by a warboss is an obvious low end outlier and I can’t believe you;re using it.

    Primarchs consistently have the strength to level mountains and fight it out with greater daemons.

  81. Dark God of Chaos March 11, 2013 at 5:21 am -      #82

    “GEOM being choked out by a warboss is an obvious low end outlier and I can’t believe you;re using it.”

    Well some Ork Warbosses can evenly fight Primarchs before falling :maybe

    But other than that, you’re right

  82. Crimson Sentry March 12, 2013 at 10:13 am -      #83

    @Murder
    When he tripped that guy he wasn’t at .0002% power. That was just referring to his over all fighting potential when he was fighting Kenechi and Miu.

    @admin Can this warrent a factpile award? or do we need a hundred posts I can’t remember

  83. Masonicon March 23, 2013 at 12:30 am -      #84

    Anime Martial Arts treats Supernatural powers as natural extension of Normal Human’s abilities

  84. brujahonly March 28, 2013 at 10:14 am -      #85

    The only one who can change Furinji is Abaddon (him being lower than gods and higher than mortals).

    Hayato is just too much overpowered and too goddamn funny :)

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