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Danzo Shimura (Naruto) makes his debut on FactPile against someone who deserves more matches in the form of Deathstroke (DC Comics).
Deathstroke has his sword, staff, 3 frag grenades, and 2 desert eagles (3 mags each.)
Fight takes place in the Hidden Leaf forest.
Danzo has a sword, 10 shuriken, 2 concealed kunai, and 2 paper bombs.
He cannot use Shisui’s eye, but all his other abilities are in play.
They start 15 feet apart.
How would this fight transpire?
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Do they have any knowledge about their counterparts ? I especially mean DS since he is one of DCs preparation wizards. And Dazo even without his right eye has 10 instances of time/reality manipulation with his right arm. He also has many techniques that are as strong if not stronger than grenade.
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with prep time/knowledge its a nice fight, possibly in DS favor, without prep time Danzo takes it
Withour prep danzo take it with ease.
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3 naruto matches in a row, its a sad time for factpile
Like what the other two previous comment said. If we could even the match we should give Deathstroke prep time. But on a usual death battle rule with no preparation Danzo will take this.
Danzo has a reality warp and a physical movement seal. Plus he has that death seal which kills things around him when he dies.
@ The Melancholy Of Fallstar Thief
“3 naruto matches in a row, its a sad time for factpile”
I was wondering the same thing. It’s not exactly melancholy, it’s more a lack of variety. Especially with 2 of the three matches involving Shikimaru.
I’m not even sure how “prep time” is supposed to make this not a stomp….
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But anyway, does “He cannot use Shisui’s eye” mean he can’t ven use it as a normal Sharingan, or just that he can’t use it super-genjutsu?
@ Rorschach
“I was wondering the same thing. It’s not exactly melancholy, it’s more a lack of variety. Especially with 2 of the three matches involving Shikimaru.”
Exactly
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My name is a referance to The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya
“I’m not even sure how “prep time” is supposed to make this not a stomp….”
well he did solo the justice league with prep
The “cannot use Shisui’s eye” rule was so he couldn’t just use the genjutsu to make Deathstroke shoot himself. It’s a regular sharingan now.
@sadot06 :
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“cannot use Shisui’s eye” i just assumed he has normal right eye, still that means that he has 10 sharingans in his right arm that make his time/reality manipulation bs and also has 1st wood cells implanted into it :/
“well he did solo the justice league with prep”
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And PIS.
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So I’m assuming Danzo has something stronger then
sword, shuriken, kunai, and paper bombs. Because I don’t think theyare going to do much unless there superstrong or Danzo is superstrong.
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@Professor ParaLowk
“So I’m assuming Danzo has something stronger then
sword, shuriken, kunai, and paper bombs. Because I don’t think theyare going to do much unless there superstrong or Danzo is superstrong.”
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As he’s a Naruto ninja(and an S-class at that)…. Yeah, yeah he is, and superfast and superdurable as well.
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He also has a lot of jutsu, and a summons as well…. Which I wouldn’t myself count as “outside help”, but feel free to disagree on that.
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As for jutsu, let’s see…
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He has a few wind chakra jutsu(think wind that’s *really* good at cutting things), likely has a few wood jutsu thanks to having the cells of first hokage… Though off the top of my head I can’t remember him using any…
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And of course he has a lot of sharingans with everything that entails, and he has the sharingans recon jutsu(the whole reason he has so many, as each use cost one), that basically means he can just say “didn’t happen” any time Deathstroke actually manages to kill him. Which… Honestly, from the looks of things…. Isn’t likely to even be happening in the first place.
Danzo vs Sauske
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjDqGu1L0RI
huh, this is pretty interesting.
I don’t mind the Naruto matches though I would like a different match soon.
And here’s where his big fight in the manga starts, if you want to cross check it.
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www.mangapanda.com/93-42474-3/naruto/chapter-476.html
yeah he’s hard to kill that’s for sure.
Still should be an interesting fight, Deathstroke won’t go down easy.
And it might just be because I’m a fan of Naruto, but so long as there of different ninja, I don’t mind having a lot of Naruto Vs….
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But for the sake of other people, they likely should be a little more spaced out, and… Then there’s the fact that two of then have been up against DC characters that…. Aren’t exactly all that different(when it comes to fighting) themselves.
Good news, tomorrow’s match doesn’t involve Naruto at all.
“Good news, tomorrow’s match doesn’t involve Naruto at all.”
What does it involve
Who’s battling tomorrow?
yes don’t keep us in suspense itcheyness. Tell us.
Also how did you find out?
Deathstroke stomps, he beat Superman.
Tomorrow’s match is Link vs Batman.
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So, yeah…
@itcheyness
didn’t that happen already? I thought.
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oh great the potter trolls back.
Potter troll?
Well, Danzo has superspeed, combat precog, magical cutting wind, and his “hard-to-kill”ness….
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He should at least be able to make a non-bloodlusted superman take *notice* of him in a fight.
Link vs Batman should be interesting. They never fought one on one but they were in a battle already. It was 2 on 2. Link and Marcus Fenix vs Batman and Spiderman
“didn’t that happen already? I thought.”
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About four years ago they were on opposing sides in a group fight. They’ve never fought 1v1 though.
“Potter troll?”
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He popped up during the disqus incident, I was hoping he was gone permanently…
“He popped up during the disqus incident, I was hoping he was gone permanently…”
thankfuly i missed that
seeing as how i hadnt heard of him till now i take hes not as bad as dreager or mgrendons
@Fallstar
he said Harry Potter could one shot Superman.
check out Harry Dresden vs Harry Potter it’s the only match he really got involved in.
Oh, he was. He was here for such a short time that he didn’t have as much of an impact though.
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He said that Naruto could beat The Flash for God’s sake…
oh yeah I forgot he commented on Flash vs Naruto….
hey I’m right here. And Potter does one shot Superman, Avada Kedavra one shots everyone.
And Deathstroke can’t kill Danzo he’ll just keep coming back and then kill Deathstroke if Deathstroke by some fluke kills him.
“he said Harry Potter could one shot Superman.”
“He said that Naruto could beat The Flash for God’s sake…”
…… Kill it with teh fire
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still not as bad as
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“Avada Kedavra one shots everyone.”
1) thats a NLF its never worked on someone who for example has a soul worth 1,000,000 humans
2) any character imune to magic can laugh it off (eg matt cauthon and saber)
“hey I’m right here.”
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We know, we wish you weren’t.
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It pains me to say this, he is right about AK killing Supes, but only if it hits him. He is rather vulnerable to magic. He’s also fast as hell and not an idiot, so it never would…
@aurorjohnson
“Deathstroke stomps, he beat Superman.”
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“And Deathstroke can’t kill Danzo he’ll just keep coming back and then kill Deathstroke if Deathstroke by some fluke kills him.”
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If your going to troll, can you at *least* make up your mind first?
@Shgon
you should see his arguments during the Dresden vs Potter thread.
@itcheyness
really? I wouldn’t think it would be able to, usually it takes extremely high level magic to actually affect him, semi divine or divine entities usually. If nothing else someone with a bit more kick than Potter has.
On the topic of Dresden I just finished Fool Moon
“really? I wouldn’t think it would be able to, usually it takes extremely high level magic to actually affect him, semi divine or divine entities usually. If nothing else someone with a bit more kick than Potter has.”
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Really? I always heard he basically had normal human resistance to magic. If it does take high level magic then you’re right and AK probably isn’t powerful enough.
@Fallstar
really? What’d you think?
@itcheyness
he does but unless it’s divine or semidivine then it can’t destroy him. Sometimes it depends on the special effects of a magic but nothing short of semidivine or divine seems to be able to do jack shit to him. So basically unless your Dr. Strange, Ghost Rider(maybe), Thor or higher level with magic you likely won’t do more than tickle or maybe singe him.
Avada Kedavra is the concentrated power of death, death kills all things ergo Avada Kedavra kills all things.
@G.A.
“really? What’d you think?”
I liked it although I think Storm Front was better. Im getting the next book when my local booksrore opens thursday. they have all the books for 5:50 a piece so i plan on reading them all.
“Avada Kedavra is the concentrated power of death, death kills all things ergo Avada Kedavra kills all things.”
Unless you have some one like Arcueid Brunestud under a full moon who isnt affected by the concept of death
Actually where was it stated that it was the concentrated power of death.
Also perhaps we should get things back on topic since Potter isn’t in this match.
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@Fallstar
a lot of people say the first two are slow and the third is where the series really picks up steam, personally I enjoyed Storm Front and Fool Moon (course Fool Moon having so many werewolves and me liking werewolves probably explains that)
But whatever the case glad your enjoying the series.
@G.A.
Do any of the books focus on vampires?
@Fallstar
you have no idea
Grave Peril has plenty of vampire fun, and leads to the Red Court vamps becoming major villains for a while. Until Dresden one shot killed them all. Plus there’s the White and Black Courts. So yeah they get plenty of focus in some of the books. Faeries and Fallen Angels start getting more focus for a while but the Vampires are usually somewhere in the background or at least mentioned after Grave Peril.
Deathstroke the one eyed terminator FTW!
Ps: Harry Potter Vs. Doctor Strange ?
@GA
Thanks my mother likes the books and wanted to know
Personally I’m more interested in the Fay
@
Richard
Dr. Strange stomps
The HarryDresden graphic novel Welcome To The Jungle was awesome everyone should read it.
@Richard Rider
Doc Strange is the Sorcerer Supreme again he would rape the Potterverse in a second
@Fallstar
if you like the Fae you’ll love Summer Knight, and Cold Days too, though it has more than just Fae in it it has…..well lets just say the Winter Court could use a favored tactic of the Zerg on earth if they wanted.
Plus famous Fae from stories show up, or more of them.
@Ricard Rider
yeah the Graphic Novels are awesome, and it’s cool that they aren’t just following the books but putting in some of the stories from before and inbetween the books. The best part, all still canon
I don’t know anything about Naruto as a series, but I’m going with Danzo to win. I despise Deathstroke he is one of the most overwanked characters in comics.
@ GA
Any mention of the lady of the lake?
@Fallstar
no but with the Merlin (as in the guy with Arthur) and Dresden currently or having recently been the guy watching over Excalibur and taking over the position of Warden over Merlin’s prison for Eldritch horrors across time space and every dimension….anything can happen and Lady of the Lake may be someone we’ve seen or we may see her eventually.
I think Danzo takes this no prob, however to be fair Deathstroke is really intelligent and makes batman look like a bitch. I think he would figure out Danzo’s shit pretty fast and just head shot the hell out of him as fast as he could to blow through the temporary immortality
The question is would this me enough before Danzo killed him with ninja stuff
@Crimson Sentry
“I think Danzo takes this no prob, however to be fair Deathstroke is really intelligent and makes batman look like a bitch. I think he would figure out Danzo’s shit pretty fast and just head shot the hell out of him as fast as he could to blow through the temporary immortality”
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“The question is would this me enough before Danzo killed him with ninja stuff”
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Only against Deathstroke he doesn’t even really *need* izanagi, just a simple replacement jutsu would work much the same way.
I know this seems a fitting question to ask, but is danzo a bullet timer?
@Motor314
“I know this seems a fitting question to ask, but is danzo a bullet timer?”
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Yes.
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Though he’s doesn’t seem all that fast as far as Naruto S-Class ninja go, Naruto ninja have been calc’d at around mach 10-13, and even *those* weren’t the *real* speedsters.
pretty much no one in naruto is a bullet timer except a few exceptional individuals (which I could name if you really want).
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@shgon
The replacement jutsu is an ability used if you have time to use it and also in the naruto world the time at which it is used is generally ‘pis’ bullcrap. Deathstroke has a few traits that make him exceptional here:
1. Super intelligence
2. Heightened reflexes above peak humans (he is a bullet timer)
3. Near instant impact weapons (guns, which are all supersonic as opposed to the kunai or shurikans in naruto)
4. Mild regeneration
5. Master of many martial arts and weapons (the guns being included)
@Crimson Sentry
“pretty much no one in naruto is a bullet timer except a few exceptional individuals (which I could name if you really want).”
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The mach 13 calc was one of pain’s body, and while he was a powerful tank, he was never really show as all that fast.
@Crimson Sentry
“The replacement jutsu is an ability used if you have time to use it”
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Your point?
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In use it seems to work much the same as izanagi, the ninja activates it, and if they get attacked while it’s active, the jutsu is triggered.
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“and also in the naruto world the time at which it is used is generally ‘pis’ bullcrap.”
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True, it is one of those really broken jutsus that never seems to be use as much as something like that should be.
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But among those jutsu. it’s probably to one that get’s used the most.
@@Crimson Sentry
“1. Super intelligence”
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Not all that useful without prep time.
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“2. Heightened reflexes above peak humans (he is a bullet timer)”
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Not nearly as fast as Danzo’s, as it’s been shown that ninja RT are a lot faster then their moment times(mainly when one uses a jutsu that don’t need then to move there bodies).
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“3. Near instant impact weapons (guns, which are all supersonic as opposed to the kunai or shurikans in naruto)”
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The “as opposed to the kunai or shurikans” is debateable as they keep up with ninja speed, though their rarely use as a finishing weapon anyway, so…. Whatever.
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“4. Mild regeneration”
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Wont be of much use in a death match.
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“5. Master of many martial arts and weapons (the guns being included)”
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To out matched physically for it to matter much.
@shgon
I mean if he could’ve just used that jutsu every time he got killed by sasuke then he would have won. You can only use it when you are expecting to get hit. I think that he would’nt be expecting to get instantly killed by bullets until it actually happened then in which case if he had to keep using the substitution jutsu then he wouldn’t have any time to go on offense.
@Crimson Sentry
“I mean if he could’ve just used that jutsu every time he got killed by sasuke then he would have won. You can only use it when you are expecting to get hit. I think that he would’nt be expecting to get instantly killed by bullets until it actually happened then in which case if he had to keep using the substitution jutsu then he wouldn’t have any time to go on offense.”
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On the point of the substitution jutsu and ninja speed, you know the dumbest justsu explanation in all of Naruto?
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All the substitution jutsu is, is pure speed. They jump away, find a log, jump back with the log, then just jump away.
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It’s canon….. Really, *really* stupid canon, but canon.
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With that kind of speed, Deathstroke doesn’t stand a chance.
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Thats how substitution jutsu works?Lol thats funny
@Amm0vamp1r3
“Thats how substitution jutsu works?”
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www.tenmanga.com/chapter/Naruto6/173022-5.html
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Like I said, canon.
LOL, since when did this turn into Harry potter vs. superman
lol dam, well for the sake of fairness could we pretend that the substitution jutsu won’t work?
@Crimson Sentry
“lol dam, well for the sake of fairness could we pretend that the substitution jutsu won’t work?”
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Most fans I’ve seen like to just pretend that it’s a space-time jutsu(that they teach to 6 year olds…), in order to ignore the stupid.
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Hell, even the manga seems to favor that approach, as though it’s never been “recon’d”, more recent explanations of how it works that have been in the data-books have been…. Somewhat vaguer, just saying something along the line of “it instantly replaces the user with something else”.
“www.tenmanga.com/chapter/Naruto6/173022-5.html
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Like I said, canon.”
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Wait, this works on guy that are +mach something something? I mean they can’t still be using this trick currently can they?
@professor
Well it seems that this jutsu can only be done at the speed of the user, so maybe it says more about who they are fighting.rather than the person using it. It was mostly shown when a person of higher tier used it against a person of lower tier I guess due to the vast speed difference. However I don’t think it has been used in 200-300 chapters since all the most recent opponents shown are high tier.
@Professor ParaLowk
“Wait, this works on guy that are +mach something something? I mean they can’t still be using this trick currently can they?”
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Yes they can(though rarely).
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Ninja have even used this jutsu on people way stronger then them before, so….
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…Well, anyway, it’s no where near as bad as “The Great Snake Escape”, which is this times 1,000,000.
@Shgon
well looking at the facts then in that world a space time jutsu, if that’s what it is, would be useful for 6 year olds to know.
Though I agree I think it’s likely ninja pictures an item in his head, usually a log, and smokescreens away while the log appears in his place, kind of like the First Hokage’s wood jutsu’s but less epic.
Odd question I have about the jutsus.
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Mind, I’m not a fan of Naruto, but don’t you have to do all of those crazy hand-motions? I mean, you may be fast, but if you’re kill-move takes a couple seconds to actually set up, that’s more than enough time to kill you.
@Aelfinn
“Mind, I’m not a fan of Naruto, but don’t you have to do all of those crazy hand-motions?”
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Most… Not really.
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If your good enough with a jutsu you seem to be able to just skip it, and as most ninja have just a handful of jutsu they fall back on in combat….
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And anyway, their are ninja(like Itachi) who can do handsigns so fast, that even ninja like Kakashi, who has his own sharingan, can’t see him do them.
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Also, being “good enough” at a jutsu to not need them doesn’t even need learning the handsigns first, as when Naruto learned the Rasengan he just skiped that part altogether(and yes, it actually does have them, and a lot of them if I remember right).
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So… It’s not really a problem.
To think, this far into a debate with a sharingan user, and no one has said “he puts Deathstroke into a genjutsu”, can you believe it?
@Shgon
does Danzo have the ability to do that though? We haven’t seen all Sharingan users do stuff like that.
“does Danzo have the ability to do that though? We haven’t seen all Sharingan users do stuff like that.”
…. Yeah, no).
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he has the “ability” as it’s just a power of the sharingan, one that all of them have, can’t remember if he ever *used* a genjutsu though(save for the fact that the manga calls izanagi a genjutsu
“can’t remember if he ever *used* a genjutsu though”
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Well, there’s the supergenjutsu, but I meant on top of that.
I thought you had to have the Mangeyko(spelling?) to do a lot of that.
@The Guardian
“I thought you had to have the Mangeyko(spelling?) to do a lot of that.”
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No, the MS often comes with some kind of real powerful genjutsu(though not always), but being able to cast genjutsu on someone just by looking into their eyes is just a power of the sharingan, one it’s had since we were introduced to it.
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www.mangapanda.com/93-20-13/naruto/chapter-15.html
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my mistake then. So can Danzo do the…whatever the torture for what feels like days in seconds thing is?
@The Guardian
“my mistake then. So can Danzo do the…whatever the torture for what feels like days in seconds thing is?”
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That would be Tsukuyomi, one of those “real powerful genjutsus” that come with the MS I was talking about.
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D would be called Kotoamatsukami, it works quite differently, but as it would end the fight rather quickly(It’s likely the most powerful, and down right broken, genjutsu in Naruto) the OP says “no”.
Ah okay, I lose track of all the crazy Sharingan powers sometimes.
this match was clearly paid for
@Chuck inglish
“this match was clearly paid for”
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I’m not sure about that, for one I don’t think(though I could be worng) admin knows much about Naruto, and as wanked as comics(and just Deathstroke himself) get, well…
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I have no problem seeing someone just requesting it on a whim, and admin just going “Meh, sound nince, and I don’t have anything for “day X”, so…”
“I despise Deathstroke he is one of the most overwanked characters in comics.”
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Just realized a good thing to come from New52, Deathstroke vs JL feats no longer counts.
@Lowk
huh, well yet anyway. Still yay no more listening to that crap.
As far as genjutsu goes, he has Shisui’s Eye which allows him to control people’s minds without making eye contact but he isn’t allowed to use it per the rules of this battle so that it’s more fair.
@sadot06
“As far as genjutsu goes, he has Shisui’s Eye which allows him to control people’s minds without making eye contact but he isn’t allowed to use it per the rules of this battle so that it’s more fair.”
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And without even people trained to notice stuff like that, noticing it.
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And it’s not “mind control” in the sense of it taking control over them, it’s “mind control” in that it can basically can rewrite their very way of thinking, again, without them even noticing it happening.
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It was only even found out he had it, because he unknowingly used it in front of someone who could see chakra, and even then that someone might of missed it if they hadn’t just so happened to of met the original owner of the eye(Shisui), and recognized the chakra.
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But still, the OP says it not useable here…..
something that hasn’t been brought up I don’t think, the Sharningan’s ability to track movements.
@The Guardian
“something that hasn’t been brought up I don’t think, the Sharningan’s ability to track movements.”
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I think it’s been mentioned in passing, but…
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Honestly, he already out classes Deathstroke so much physically, that… I doubt it will matter that much.
@Shon
probably, but it needed to be pointed out.
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Regarding the hand signs they kinda just stopped showing them , they do these hand signs REALLY fast offscreen in recent episodes, the bulk of naruto tech needs them though , exceptions being bloodline traits and Rasengan,
@Dassadec
“Regarding the hand signs they kinda just stopped showing them , they do these hand signs REALLY fast offscreen in recent episodes, the bulk of naruto tech needs them though , exceptions being bloodline traits and Rasengan,”
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Really just some bloodline traits, as I’m pretty sure one of the data-books(or something) said that the Rasengan, Naruto just wasn’t trained in how to do it using them.
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But still, as I said, and as has been shown a *lot* in the manga, once a ninja get’s good enough with a jutsu, using the handsigns seems to be more of a choice on the part of the ninja, one that might effect the jutsu in some way…. But it’s not something that’s ever been explained to us, so…
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And as for an example on the “once a ninja get’s good enough with a jutsu” thing, we’ve seen Sasuke use the Chidori handsignless dozens of times post time skip, many of which under circumstances that it couldn’t of just been “offscreen”, mainly as the guy trying to kill him at the moment wouldn’t be giving him the time to do so.
I always assumed the handsigns was like words in some magic systems, it’s not that they are required they just help focus the energy into the action of choice.
the fact that the Chidori focuses a lot of energy in lightning in the hand doing the signs kind of lends to that.
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So Danzo wins after a hard fight….or stomps?
@The Guardian
“So Danzo wins after a hard fight….or stomps?”
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Likely stomps.
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Deathstroke is just a little over “peak human”, yeah with prep(which he almost always has in comics) he can be a real beast, but….
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Well, there’s a reason Batman loses most of his fights on this site, and it’s the fact that unless the OP says otherwise, there is no prep time for ether side.
I’m sure Danzou stomps this