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Making his debut on FactPile is Shikamaru Nara from the Naruto franchise facing off against site favorite, Batman (DC Comics).
The fight takes place at night in an abandoned 5 story parking garage.
No prep time for either.
They start 1 level apart.
Who would win?
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not his debut he fought pride yesterday.
as for this fight I am leaning towards Shikamaru
Back to back Shikamaru. I like it. I’m rolling with him on this one. Batman merely adopted the dark, Shikamaru controls it.
a japenese anime vs a comic CRAZY! anyway im also think shikamaru has this in the bag
I want to go with Batman but until someone tells me a little more about Shikamuru ill hold off on a final descision.
@Striker
He’s the Batman of Naruto. Genius intellect, (+200 IQ) specialist in battle strategy. Always well stocked with Ninja tools that allow him to setup opponents (wire, paper bombs, shuriken, kunai, paper bombs attached to kunai) plus he’s a Jonin rank which is 2nd only to Hokage. Not quite as fast and strong as some of the other ridiculous characters, but still far above average human. His power is shadow manipulation. He can use any shadow to latch on to an opponent. The amount of shadows around determine his range. Once connected he totally has control over their body. He can then use more shadow to strangle/snap necks.
Shikamaru is an incredibly intelligent Ninja (Think his IQ is stated to be north of 200) with a knack for strategy using various ninja weapons and traps as well as his ability to control shadows to devastating effect. if his shadow touches Batmans or vice versa its pretty much over. Shikamaru’s jutsus give him the edge.
that kinda makes batman lose as batmans main tactic is to hide in the shadows and use stealth so this is mainly onesided
By the way im new here i used to look at and read the battles all the time and finnally decided to just make an account lol
I’m dont think Batman will get out-snuck by a lazy ninja who doesn’t have like any stealth feats.
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Batman hits him with an exploding “insert weapon here”.
i would of thoguht that too but from what ive been told by guardian in the tardis if batman is tocuhed by shadows he loses
cause the battle said no prep time so that means batman doesnt know not to touch shadows and that he should use a long range attack cause he has no previous knowledge i would really like batman to win cause he is one of my favortie characters but im not seeing it happening
but heres a thought if batman somehow figured out the contrlling shadows thing before he is killed than he has a lot of flashbang type stuff as well as other light weapons he could use to gain an edge in the fight
@Envoy
Shikamaru is lazy when he doesn’t have a challenge, as shown by what he did to Hidan though he is deadly when the chips are down.
so now im thinking maybe batman does have a chance if he figures out what shikamuru can do before he kills batman
The fact is Shikamaru shouldn’t be uderestemated with the fighting skills. being lazy is just a front
can a flashbang or such disrupt Shikamaru’s shadow abilities? even for a breif moment
@Striker
Well that looks effective, but knowing Shikamaru being a genius ninja, he could expect a flash bang thrown at him.
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What I mean was that if I were to learn and use the Shadow Jutsu I would know about it’s weakness and strength, and if I were in battle I’d be aware of items and other jutsus that can get rid of my jutsu of a certain period of time.
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Since Shikamaru is a hell of a lot smarter than me surely he would already knew that from the start. But I’m not him, so I can’t say that he can protect himself from flash bang or that he could be a aware.
also batman is supposed to know every form of martial arts that exists so is it possible he could know jutsu
or even shadow jutsu
Two Shikamaru rounds in a row? Interesting…
@Dr. Doctor: Totally a coincidence. Made that match 2-3 weeks ago.
As for this match, I do have to ask, can Shikamaru possess someone who is hiding in Shadows? Just curious about that.
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Because as is, I see nothing but a win for Nara.
Striker, Batman does not know Jutsu. It’s part of the Naruto universe and there is no recorded instance of Batman having chakra based super power.
Akuma, Shikamura I believe would have to have an idea of where Batman is, but if he did he can use the shadows to possess him.
Does Shikamaru have a defense against sonic weaponry? Or lasers. Can bats summon vehicles to him becuase he has shown the can be remote controlked by voice alone to come to him.
Lets just say Shikamaru runs into Batman with this:
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What about smoke, can he use shadows if he can’t see shadows or anything
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Does Nara have have a defense against sleeping gas
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Also apparently Batarangs are a bit more dangerous then most believe. They are capable of penetrating a skull.
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Just to point out, but Shikamaru has both super strength, speed, and durability.
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With Batman not having any prep time, Shikamaru might not even *need* his shadow jutsu.
“@Dr. Doctor: Totally a coincidence. Made that match 2-3 weeks ago.”
Or…did you? *dramatic music*
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Anyway, seeing as they start on different levels of the building, I’m tempted to say both just go “WTF am I doing here?” and leave.
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Assuming they don’t, they both have plenty of ability to start preparing for each other.
Some Stealth feats
Sneaks up on a vampire.
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Speed/Stealth
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Disappears from the vampire
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cue lightning
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Somewhat of a strength feat, punches him so hard he dents the metal.
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Accuracy
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I think Shikamaru dissipated a sleep jutsu of some kind but I can’t remember.
Crap, forgot six was over the link limit.
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Anyway Flash/smoke bombs
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“Just to point out, but Shikamaru has both super strength, speed, and durability.”
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To what level? I mean Bats does occasionally have to deal with superpowered. Normally for him he uses stealth, gadgets, and tactics to help equalize it to some degree.
@sadot06
i figured as much was kinda grasping at strands there cause batman is one of my favorite charatcers ever and i want him to win but im mainly leaning toward Shikamuru for the win
i just thought of something Batman has foguht and beat a criminal called the Shade who has a simmialr power set as shikamuru
It’s really going to be a game of chicken until Shikamru actually sees Batman and then it’s pretty much over. Shikamru as a Ninja is great with stealth and super patient. He’ll have set traps along the entire level so he won’t run head on. Plus because of his chakra control he can move on top of water and cling to the wall/ceiling by his feet. In addition all shinobi have the substitution jutsu which can get Shikamru out of danger in case Batman actually lands with something. He doesn’t have super strength, like say Sakura or Tsuande. Physically he’s best at agility and speed. He’s very good at dodging and keep the fight at a distance.
Batman kicks a tree in half:
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The criminal known as the Shade has very similar powers a Shikamaru.
Batman has defeated shade multiple times,
could this knowledeg help batman in this fight?
“I think Shikamaru dissipated a sleep jutsu of some kind but I can’t remember.”
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Would that be a bit different then from what Bats uses
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Another accuracy
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Durabiltiy
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Has sonar. Bats should be able to map out the location and where Shikamaru is.
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able to physically grab and crush with shadows
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Another Durability feat
Takes blows from Clayface and manages to knock him back
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Clayface is strong enough to do stuff like this
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this is a thought what if batman just turned all the lights in the parking garage on also can either character hotwire and use a car in the garage
@Lowk
I don’t know what form it took so unless I find a scan it may or may not have been a vapor form.
The criminal known as the Shade has very similar powers a Shikamaru.
Batman has defeated shade multiple times,
could this knowledeg help batman in this fight?
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Considering according to the Wiki, he is a Flash/Starman villain and the only mention of facing Batman is in the Animated series, no.
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Not to mention Shade’s powers are nothing like Shikamaru’s. Shikamaru’s ability is to connect shadows to control a body. Shade’s powers are channeling the power of the Darklands.
during a fight memorized a persons finger movements.
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Shadow mimic can work at odd angles not just head on
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@Akuma
I dont know about the wiki thing but i have a couple of comics in which batman has fought Shade
Also what i meant by similar powers is not how they get their powers but the results of the powers as in using the shadows around them to possess, attack, etc.
thats why i said similar and not the same but i get what you meen
“able to physically grab and crush with shadows
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He say his suit can handle extreme pressure
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Also shows said feature in surviving while also being in acid.(also note if it hadn’t been messed up he can scan for heat signitures)
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When a comment awaiting moderation does come up does it come up in the same spot? I have one at #29, does it show a comment at 29 or does it show it being skipped for everyone else?
able to use any shadows to grab someone
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@Lowk
it shows up where you posted it once Admin makes sure it’s not spam, if it was post 29 it’ll show up as post 29. until then no one can see it.
shadow sewing jutsu
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was able to take control of Hidan’s body using his shadow with no one noticing.
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wouldn’t take much to snag Batman’s shadow
yea I think unless batman has some utilities with him he loses this. He wins do to his smarts, but when there is someone smarter than him it’s pretty much over (Deathstroke the Terminator)
Even with his toys Shikamaru is a supernatural ninja that can just pull a log swap or something if he has to. Batman doesn’t really have much of an answer to the shadow body control.
in regards to the shadow possesing thing, how exactly does it work. becasue if it works by controlling the mind batman could resist it. Batman has gone thorugh extensive training to be able to defend his mind from phsychic attack and such. He might be able to resist it.
“Even with his toys Shikamaru is a supernatural ninja that can just pull a log swap or something if he has to. Batman doesn’t really have much of an answer to the shadow body control.”
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So far it seems bats will be able to spot him first via sonar(and etc means),
That mean he’ll knows the the area in and out and wear he’ll Shikamaru will be without him having to even move
Has a few means of obscuring his view or putting him to sleep.
Has snuck up to and vanished from a creature with supernatural senses.(when post #29 shows up)
Other then that Bats has stuff that can be laid down as a trap.
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Also has weaponry/vehicales that can be controlled remotely without him having to move in case he does get caught .
Laser
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Batplane
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And I spelled vehicles wrong and I forgot the limit agains. Shit. I’m just gonna double post
So far it seems bats will be able to spot him first via sonar(and etc means),
That mean he’ll knows the the area in and out and wear he’ll Shikamaru will be without him having to even move
Has a few means of obscuring his view or putting him to sleep.
Has snuck up to and vanished from a creature with supernatural senses.(when post #29 shows up)
Other then that Bats has stuff that can be laid down as a trap.
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Also has weaponry/vehicales that can be controlled remotely without him having to move in case he does get caught .
Laser
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Batplane
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@ striker
Shadow possession physically controls the opponent through their shadow, not a mental attack at all. It should also be noted Shikamaru can throw shuriken with his shadow as well Ex: leaves a kunai behind opponents to attack from the blindside. Shikamaru also sets paper bombs with beautiful planning I don’t think batman would see pieces of paper as a threat until he saw one blow up in his face
I don’t anticpiate the pretty situational wrist laser doing anything, especially based on the angle in that example and Shikamura being able to control shadows from a considerably distance. Nor telling his plane to fly to their location. Once Batman was caught, Shikamuru would just kill him. This is a fight to the death. He wouldn’t have time to call the Batman plane (audibly) and then wait for it to arrive and I’m assuming blow a hole into the floor of the garage they’re on? Knowing Shikamura Batman won’t even be able to enter the level he’s on without setting off a paper bomb.
“Shikamaru also sets paper bombs with beautiful planning I don’t think batman would see pieces of paper as a threat until he saw one blow up in his face”
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Well other then him having tanked explosions, this is a guy who fought side by side with a guy who uses a ring to project his will to create pretty much anything he can imagine.
He’s probably going to be suspicious to pretty much anything just base on what he’s supposed to do and his nature. A piece of paper in a parking lot with Japanese hand writing is kind of suspicious.
But to control his shadow does shikamaru have to create a shadow for batman? (Presuming batman completely engulfed in darkness)
The first paper bomb will likely be a diversion. If Shikamrua did to Batman what he did to Hidan, Bats would not be tanking anything.
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No need to create a shadow for Shika to control him being in darkness IS a shadow. Shika does talk about shadows inside shadows being within his power
Knukails, to control his shadow he has connect his with the shadows directly near Batman. Or he can toss a chakra infused Kunai into the shadow and have the same effect. His shadows are pretty versatile. Batman does not want to be near anything dark.
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ahhhhh that could a big disadvantage for batman.
“I don’t anticpiate the pretty situational wrist laser doing anything, especially based on the angle in that example and Shikamura being able to control shadows from a considerably distance.”
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Depends if on if he’s around him or not. Since it seems to be able to target what he want’s. Hitting Shikamaru with it should do some good amount of damage.
Considering the power of his level of laser weaponry both on him
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and mounted on his vehicles he should be able to cut off a limb.
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“Nor telling his plane to fly to their location. Once Batman was caught, Shikamaru would just kill him.”
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He could do that from the start of the match and have it just have it hover outside the level he’s on and fire on Shikamaru. Doesn’t need any manually aiming as could just serve as a distraction. Bullets tend to act as distractions.
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Here it shows it can target individuals by itself
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“Knowing Shikamura Batman won’t even be able to enter the level he’s on without setting off a paper bomb.”
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All bats has to do is use his detection equipment and he can see where shikamaru is setting up traps. Other then that he doesn’t have to since Bats has plenty of explosive weaponry of his own he can lob in there.
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Beside that Bats has miniexplosives that he could use as a trap as well. And with the various vision/radar modes he has he can activate them remotely when Shikamaru gets close without having to even move.
Can we get a few Shikamaru detection feats because Bats is pretty good at not being seen and being noticed. While also doing it and what ever he has to do while being unseen quickly.
Like here he manages to takeout one guy and rope him up before the other guy notices
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or Disappearing right from someone starring at him
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Does it again
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Bats is a pretty quick and stealthy mofo.
I don’t think Batman’s go to move is to start off with the batplane, and the current version Shikamaru would notice. Also he may be able to pick up on where the paper is and assume it’s a trap, but he still won’t be able to enter without tipping off Shikamaru just based on how he works. Shikamaru isn’t going to get close to Batman because that isn’t his style, especially if Batman leads off with fancy gadgets.
I can look for some. Probably will be in the hunt for Sauske part or the chunin exam one.
“I don’t think Batman’s go to move is to start off with the batplane”
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Recent issues show him making heavy use of it, either as a means of escape, arrival, detecting something or a distraction. It seems he’s somewhat replaced the batcar as his mode of hunting down his targets.
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“but he still won’t be able to enter without tipping off Shikamaru just based on how he works”
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He’s doesn’t have to enter to toss other stuff in like explosives, smoke, or sleep grenades to fill the level he’s own.
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Doesn’t work on supes(he’s superman after all) but based on other sonic batfam-tech weaponry it should be useful on anyone who hasn’t shown an immunity to it.
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Not really a feat but lol batman has robots now. Shame he couldn’t get these before he had a multinational batman corps.
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He’s being chased by 9 ninja and has to delay them so his friends can get away:
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Spots ninja hiding based on trajectory of thrown weapons
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Also note that he can grab and deflect objects with shadows. He also carries ninja scrolls which can be used to summon items and elements. Like in his fight with Hidan and Kakazu when he was being chased by Kakazu’s lightning heart, he summoned water with a scroll so it reached Kakazu right when the heart sent an electric attack at him.
“Spots ninja hiding based on trajectory of thrown weapons”
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Well Bats should be able to make that somewhat more difficult since bouncing/curving(trickshoting) projectiles around is kind of the batfamily thing.
Shikamaru he cans still deflect them. And that also signals that Batman has a method of detection and he’d adjust accordingly. I can even see Shikamaru seemingly letting himself get taken out and then when Batman surfaces to check, the body turns into a log and Batman is locked by the shadows before he knows what’s going on.
That’s pretty much Shikas MO he doesn’t have to see his opponent to catch their shadow either he can strike out blindly and know if he catches anything. I can’t remember when he did it maybe Sadot can find one
how about using this version of Shikamaru instead: before he learns how to control the darkness?
We’re using latest incarnations for both.
To Dassadec. I don’t remember when he did that but I don’t think he’d waste the chakra if he didn’t know where Batman was
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he spends the entire time setting up for a trap. he’s three steps ahead of temari the whole time.
also he still has othe rbasic justus including a substitution jutsu that batman will have to figuere out. batman will be in the shadows and nara is stronger than batman in the shadows his power is better there.
I know its a little late in the match to be able to change things … but all this mention of Bats getting his batplane , laser pods and other gadgets not usually carried that have to be “called” in … Im leaning towards Shikamaru for the match … With no prep time … Bats will rely on the shadows like he always does … Once he gets close enough to Shikamaru ( not sure what his range on shadow manipulation is )
, he will know Bats is there and by then its too late for Bats
There is no point in the series where Shula diwsny have his shadow control. Except maybe the first couple episodes when they are like 8
@ Sadot
I think he had figured out his opponents general area and sent a shadow there, capturing the would be attacker, don’t quote me on it yet though.
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“but all this mention of Bats getting his batplane , laser pods and other gadgets not usually carried that have to be “called” in”
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All of that stuff is normal none prep stuff he currently carries on him. Hell he even has smoke bullets that shoot out his knuckles, minirockets that shoot out his wrist, an energy deflector+ demagnatizer on his belt, and contact lens with infrared vision mode that connect to the batcomputer. New52 Bats has gotten a little tech happy.
I only mentioned the batplane because he currently uses it a lot and doesn’t require outside help to bring it to him.
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“basic justus including a substitution jutsu that batman will have to figuere out.”
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Bats has various means off detecting people and where they’ve are.
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“Bats will rely on the shadows like he always does ”
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I’ve shown at least 4 instances where he’s snuck up to or away from people without shadows. Two of which he done from being right in front of them.
I don’t really care for this fight but my thoughts on somethings
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Well Physically I think Shikamaru outclasses him,I think.
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The bat plane thing,I don’t know if that will come into play,because we don’t know if the plane could get to him because we don’t know if the building is on earth or not.
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Sneaking,I think goes to batman,I have never really seen naruto sneaking feats from any of the ninjas
“The bat plane thing,I don’t know if that will come into play,because we don’t know if the plane could get to him because we don’t know if the building is on earth or not.”
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Like I said I brought it up cause he regularly uses and calls it. I even asked about it before the #50 comment rule could take effect?
As to the on earth thing I was going by the fact that they are in a parking garage and since no specific planets parking garage was listed I assumed it’d be earth.
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Bats thinks ahead
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Seems to have a x-ray vision mode
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“Like I said I brought it up cause he regularly uses and calls it. I even asked about it before the #50 comment rule could take effect?
As to the on earth thing I was going by the fact that they are in a parking garage and since no specific planets parking garage was listed I assumed it’d be earth.”
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You brought it up before the #50 think I never really asked was it allowed becuase I don’t know if it is or not. Its like if the punisher called in his battle van,its not calling for outside help but then again the rule says as long as its on the battle field its useable.
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And if this fight is in an area where the bat cave counts as on the battle field then it may be useable.
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And about the earth thing,because it wasn’t specified I don’t really know
Well, so far nobody mentioned about Replacement jutsu and (basic) clone jutsu..In order to graduate from the Ninja Academy, student must master these two jutsu (though they never show Shikamaru using one),..In Naruto universe there are a lot of way of detecting which is real, but I’m pretty sure Batman don’t have any sort of device that can detect the flow of chakra, which means he obviously have no way to know which is real..This also gives Shikamaru great tactical advantage
And the fight is at night time..though that’s Batman’s favorable time, but that also means Shikamaru’s shadow jutsu’s range is really, really long…
oops sorry, I mean “…possibly very long”
“Like in his fight with Hidan and Kakazu when he was being chased by Kakazu’s lightning heart, he summoned water with a scroll so it reached Kakazu right when the heart sent an electric attack at him.”
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Non Canon, Anime only.
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“As for this match, I do have to ask, can Shikamaru possess someone who is hiding in Shadows? Just curious about that.”
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He can reach them in a shadow, but he can’t just touch the shadow to get Batman.
yeah he has to touch Batman’s shadow specifically, however he can manipulate other shadows (the wires to trap Hidan he controlled their shadows for instance. posted it earlier) so hiding in the shadows is bad for Batman’s health in this fight.shadow dagger tentacles ftw.
How is the anime non canon? It’s not like it’s a movie. And he had the same scroll in the manga.
@sadot06: It is because the anime tends to add filler. So some feats added there can not be used.
Technically only something which contradicts manga canon is discarded when shown in anime canon.
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Totally ignoring the shadow jutsu, shikamaru is so well beyond bats physically he could speed blitz him or break him in half. Seriously the feats we see even unnamed redshirts do in naruto is massively superhuman.
“shikamaru is so well beyond bats physically he could speed blitz him or break him in half.”
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How fast is Shikamaru shown to be?
In regard to damage Bats has shown taking explosion and from clayface and still going. Has shikamaru shown feats that puts him higher then him?
Well, going solely on the speed they can travel doing that stupid tree jumping to get everywhere, chances are good they could flat out out-run his batarang. So a lot faster.
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As for durability, iirc wasnt bats injured by them, just fought on through it? That’s not really durability so much as pain tolerance. Though Yes bats has the tendency to have solid plot armour for most of the times he’s hit. As for Shikamaru, just not being a stain on the ground in the naruto universe’s fights puts him at superhuman. He’s had paper bombs go off nearby, been knocked flying through the air (anime distances mind you), stuff like that.
“As for durability, iirc wasnt bats injured by them, just fought on through it? That’s not really durability so much as pain tolerance. Though Yes bats has the tendency to have solid plot armour for most of the times he’s hit.”
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Actually this time around it seems to be a little bit of endurance and the fact that instead of spandex/breifs combo and using cape as a shield, he switched to wearing full body armor that made to take extremes like pressure, heat, bullets, etc.
Skilamaru outsmarts and traps 2 dangerous ninja’s and traps them with his shadow jutsu without it even having to touch them
www.mangareader.net/93-337-15/naruto/chapter-332.html
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another scan from the same scene as above
(read from right to left btw)