Cole MacGrath Vs Dante

Cole MacGrath Vs Dante

Suggested by The Game.

For this fight, we have Cole MacGrath (Infamous) facing off against Dante (Devil May Cry).

Battle takes place in a Church in Limbo + the City of Limbo (from DmC Game)

Round 1: Good Cole vs Dante

Round 2: Evil(Beast) Cole vs Dante

What would the outcomes be?

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203 Comments on "Cole MacGrath Vs Dante"

  1. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 7:51 am -      #1

    Soo which Dante is this.

  2. Professor ParaLowk February 20, 2013 at 8:00 am -      #2

    Cole might be able to react to Dante but Dante severly outclassess him in movement speed. If Dante nanages to get behind him and connect a strike its over.

    That said as shown with Blitz, charging oneself with electricity has shown to be a good defense against rebellion but Dante I think has some different melee weapons to choose from.
    I say melee becuase Cole can create a shield that blocks bullets and beams which would also charge/heal him so most of his guns would be useless.

    Evil Cole gets the beast’s powers which mean enhanced powers, control over gravity, flight, one hell of a HF, and a nuke ability. I don’t see Dante

  3. Professor ParaLowk February 20, 2013 at 8:04 am -      #3

    I don’t see Dante having much hope against Beast Cole.

  4. AkumaTh February 20, 2013 at 10:23 am -      #4

    Which Dante is it, original or reboot?

  5. Chaos Ridley February 20, 2013 at 11:02 am -      #5

    @Akuma
    According to the picture it should at least be the original Dante. Just original Dante at the reboot DMC City of Limbo.
    —–
    Professor ParaLowk seem to get the main idea. Bullets is a no-no for Dante. As good a gunslinger he is. Cole has been shot at throughout the majority of infamous 1 and 2. Dodging bullets was like an everyday exercise for him. Cole isn’t the fastest fictional character at all but at least he was quick enough to react against bullets, grenade launchers, and rockets. Like what ParaLowk said before; Cole has his Polarity Wall to block bullets and convert the impacts into energy and a Frost Shield (If Kuo’s Cryokinesis is allowed) with a slightly bigger wall.

    Speed wise I’m pretty sure Dante got this. At least after what I’ve heard about him he can get crazy fast.

    I have a question: Is Limbo City full of electric outlets or contain electric source of any kind for Cole to absorb? For Good Cole at least.

  6. Amm0vamp1r3 February 20, 2013 at 11:08 am -      #6

    this is Newte

  7. Amm0vamp1r3 February 20, 2013 at 11:24 am -      #7

    that was meant to be a question

  8. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 11:25 am -      #8

    On that who’s the guy who suggested this I don’t recognize that name.

  9. Amm0vamp1r3 February 20, 2013 at 11:27 am -      #9

    Me either

  10. sadot06 February 20, 2013 at 11:33 am -      #10

    I think Dante takes it round 1 just because he outclasses Cole and I don’t think there is anything in limbo that can help Cole. Round 2 if need be Dante transforms and wrecks shit.

  11. Chaos Ridley February 20, 2013 at 11:37 am -      #11

    So what?
    Round one: Dante
    Round two: Beast Cole
    Simple and easy I guess.

  12. Amm0vamp1r3 February 20, 2013 at 11:40 am -      #12

    well that was fast lol

  13. Chuck inglish February 20, 2013 at 11:48 am -      #13

    “Professor ParaLowk seem to get the main idea. Bullets is a no-no for Dante. As good a gunslinger he is. Cole has been shot at throughout the majority of infamous 1 and 2. Dodging bullets was like an everyday exercise for him”
    ===
    so cole can dodging dante blasting out hundred bullets per sec? Bullets that are strong enough to blast out solid brick walls? Not to mention their coming from a guy whom can slow down his perception of time so that it seems that four giant toads are just floating in the air.
    ====
    “Evil Cole gets the beast’s powers which mean enhanced powers, control over gravity, flight, one hell of a HF, and a nuke ability. I don’t see Dante”
    ===
    I think dante can nullify healing abilities as seen in the anime. He takes out a guy whom regen from blood. How fast is beast cole? and would the elemental comparability rule enable him to be affected by jackpot?

  14. Amm0vamp1r3 February 20, 2013 at 11:54 am -      #14

    If he doesn’t dodge the bullets he can always get behind something or make a shield of electricity

    And I don’t think Beast cole is a demon so Jackpot may not work .

  15. hellboy147 February 20, 2013 at 11:56 am -      #15

    “I think dante can nullify healing abilities as seen in the anime. He takes out a guy whom regain from blood. How fast is beast cole? and would the elemental comparability rule enable him to be affected by jackpot?”
    _

    First one Dante wins easily but beast Cole can turn Dante into a mist with Ionic Drain since his range is even further and way better durability and insane healing.

  16. Chaos Ridley February 20, 2013 at 12:16 pm -      #16

    Nuke calms the beast. The beast nukes you to ease you pain.
    —-
    In other words you are screwed.
    —-
    “so cole can dodging dante blasting out hundred bullets per sec? Bullets that are strong enough to blast out solid brick walls?”

    Cole did go against 2 or 3 turrets. And he did take on bullets and rocket launchers straight on. On round one even with Cole’s Impressive durability it is not enough to save him from Dante’s sword. Inglish it was obvious that Cole couldn’t survive round one. But he takes round two like a boss.

  17. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 12:29 pm -      #17

    Is this the church *in Limbo*, when it is stretching on for-fucking-ever, or is it in Real World Limbo City St. Agares’ Church?

  18. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 12:32 pm -      #18

    So many new Dante matches, no New Dante matches.

    ;~;

  19. Chuck inglish February 20, 2013 at 12:40 pm -      #19

    “So many new Dante matches, no New Dante matches.

    ;~;”
    ===
    Screw Donte

  20. Professor ParaLowk February 20, 2013 at 1:11 pm -      #20

    Forgot, last incarnation of Cole gets upgraded back to pre beast fight level where he doesn’t need to recharge anymore and can spam his better attacks.
    ===
    “so cole can dodging dante blasting out hundred bullets per sec? Bullets that are strong enough to blast out solid brick walls?”

    He doesn’t need to dodge if theres a lot. Thats what the shield is for.
    ===

  21. Professor ParaLowk February 20, 2013 at 1:17 pm -      #21

    “I think dante can nullify healing abilities as seen in the anime. He takes out a guy whom regen from blood. How fast is beast cole? and would the elemental comparability rule enable him to be affected by jackpot?”

    The Beast abilities are somewhat like Dr manhattan. With it you can pull your self back together. It was either atom by atom or molecule by molecule. Fogot which.

  22. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 1:52 pm -      #22

    “Screw Donte”
    Fuck you, too. >.>

    New Dante is pretty cool. His aesthetic design leaves much to be desired, but as a character he is pretty awesome.

  23. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 2:16 pm -      #23

    I’ve only played New DMC and enjoyed it and New Dante. Though whichever it is it wouldn’t change much, either can win round 1 but both lose round 2 horribly.

  24. Chuck inglish February 20, 2013 at 3:20 pm -      #24

    “Fuck you, too. >.>
    New Dante is pretty cool. His aesthetic design leaves much to be desired, but as a character he is pretty awesome.”
    ===
    To each his own

  25. Aelfinn February 20, 2013 at 3:25 pm -      #25

    Well, what exactly can Beast Cole do? He sounds tough, but we know how these things are sometimes…

  26. PwNaGE TraiN February 20, 2013 at 4:01 pm -      #26

    Just wondering, did anybody like the new DMC?

  27. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 4:04 pm -      #27

    I did

  28. Sylar121 February 20, 2013 at 4:17 pm -      #28

    “Just wondering, did anybody like the new DMC?”

    It was a good game but WAY too easy compared to previous, plus they made virgil a little bitch.

    That being said (that it was a good game) i seriously hope they do not continue it and continue with the original series, or if they do want to continue the new series make it an offical spin off game in its own right

  29. Dark God of Chaos February 20, 2013 at 4:58 pm -      #29

    Round 1: Assuming Old Dante, Dante stomps due to massive speed and strength superiority

    Round 2: Beast Cole prolly nukes Dante or crushes him under increased gravity

    So stomp either way

  30. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 6:21 pm -      #30

    yeah round 1 wouldn’t be changed much with either Dante nor would round 2

  31. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 6:25 pm -      #31

    also apparently PS4 comes out tonight, or debut’s in New York at least

  32. Professor ParaLowk February 20, 2013 at 7:21 pm -      #32

    “yeah round 1 wouldn’t be changed much with either Dante”

    Actually I think that Cole does have a few ways of attack slash defense against Dante’s speed.
    Charging himself up with electricity so that Dante trying to strike him will end up like when trying to hit Blitz.
    Fry everything and spamming freeze rockets everywhere to try and stun him momentarily for a final lightning strike.

    As for nuDante what can he do? I haven’t seen much from him and going by others he doesn’t exactly have the speed that gives Dante the advantage.
    ===
    “Well, what exactly can Beast Cole do?”

    Well he was given the beast powers which included teleporting, gravity control(lowering it), some kind of black hole thing that sucks up stuff and disintegrate what touches it, causing a ray field explosion(kind of like a mini nuke going off), giving conduits powers(useless here), being able to pull yourself together even after being blown up with a small nuke. Also seems to boosted his regular power like here at 2:40
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=614c6dP989s&feature=youtu.be&t=1m47s
    His hand fired electricity now seems to stronger and he’s able to rapid fireable.

  33. Professor ParaLowk February 20, 2013 at 7:26 pm -      #33

    Was regular Dante proven to be a lightning timer?

  34. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 7:35 pm -      #34

    New Dante while not quite as fast as Old Dante yet is still faster than Cole. Especially when using the Angelic weapons one of which would likely be extremely effective for getting around Cole’s shield.
    If you want Lowk I could provide feats but that’s only if we’re using New Dante

  35. wingedlion February 20, 2013 at 7:38 pm -      #35

    “Was regular Dante proven to be a lightning timer?”

    i believe he was.

  36. Amm0vamp1r3 February 20, 2013 at 7:54 pm -      #36

    New Infamous game looks interesting, but thats as far in the Playstation event as I got before my feed died for some reason.

    I agree with the sentament so far round 1 Dante but Lowks idea could work but would he do so is that a tactic cole does or is he always charged?

    Round 2 Cole

  37. Professor ParaLowk February 20, 2013 at 7:56 pm -      #37

    “If you want Lowk I could provide feats but that’s only if we’re using New Dante”

    That would be good.
    ===
    “New Dante while not quite as fast as Old Dante yet is still faster than Cole. Especially when using the Angelic weapons one of which would likely be extremely effective for getting around Cole’s shield.”

    Cole has a ability that works similar to NuDantes whip thing. he also able to launch himself by creating an ice pillar to shot him in a direction, and his static thrusters function like the angel jump thing he does except more controllable. Cole may not be the the Flash but he’s pretty close to spiderman when you mix his parkour background with his abilities.

  38. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 8:01 pm -      #38

    I wasn’t referring to the whip when I said getting by the shield I meant the shurikan one, I’ll just go get the vids though.

  39. Professor ParaLowk February 20, 2013 at 8:08 pm -      #39

    “but would he do so is that a tactic cole does or is he always charged?”

    He’s gained some control over it but he still has accidents. He can get in cars because he apparently makes them explody, same with guns. All he really has to do is stop trying to control it and he becomes a tesla coil.
    But yeah that’s about the only thing Cole could do. otherwise Dante outmanuvers him and all it really takes is one hit from him.

  40. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 8:15 pm -      #40

    “To each his own.”

    True that. Agree to disagree? I still think both Dantes are freaking legit.

    “Just wondering, did anybody like the new DMC?”

    I thoroughly enjoyed the new DmC, though it was a pushover even on Dante Must Die mode. That said, after beating DMD and getting Super Dante, the game is absolutely fucking broken.

    Mission 15, “The Trade” fucks over my perception of New Dante’s speed.

    Also unlike normal Dante, New Dante we can’t calc anything for because he is confirmed to be in an alternate world where things work much differently.

    And New Dante doesn’t seem to have the same limits on his Devil Trigger old Dante seemed to–he used it for an extended period of time during both his fight with Mundus and Vergil.

    It also fucks with gravity, both in and out of Limbo.

    ‘course, that’s New Dante. We should be debating for Old Dante, shouldn’t we…

  41. The hero of Anime February 20, 2013 at 8:33 pm -      #41

    Ignore my name.

    Anyway, I have a question and correct me if im wrong.

    Is it Cole above the Beast in power in the end of his Good ending?

    Cuz in the end, he beat the Beast easy, but do not kill it cuz he need it the RFI to do it.

  42. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 8:43 pm -      #42

    some of New Dante’s attacks if we want to use New Dante.

  43. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 8:45 pm -      #43

    “some of New Dante’s attacks if we want to use New Dante.”
    …?
    Did you mean to post a link, or is a link just not showing up for me?

  44. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 8:48 pm -      #44
  45. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 8:49 pm -      #45

    “forgot the link www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBHpqkMGGG0
    Ah, awesome.

    So what did you think of Mission 15, “The Trade”?

  46. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 8:50 pm -      #46

    @Dr. Doctor
    forgot it my bad.
    ——————–
    final boss fight with Vergil probably the best example of New Dante’s abilities

  47. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 8:52 pm -      #47

    “@Dr. Doctor
    forgot it my bad.”
    It’s all good.

    I still think it’s amazing New Dante’s Devil Trigger was powerful enough to stun Mundus, a giant monster comprised of the entire city, just by activating. And the fact that it happened outside of Limbo erases the “New Dante’s DT fucks with Limbo” argument my friend tried once.

  48. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 8:52 pm -      #48

    @Dr. Doctor
    Very interesting, honestly wasn’t that surprised Vergil did that, it really was just an early forshadowing to his wanting to rule humans, was an example of his disinterest in helping humans.
    …..I’m going to have to play the game again now.

  49. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 8:54 pm -      #49

    @Dr. Doctor
    yeah, the fact it could stun Mundus is bad news for good Cole….and…actually may give New Dante a very very very very very slim chance against Beast Cole….very slim, but slightly less slim than Old Dante

  50. Soldier's Shadow February 20, 2013 at 8:55 pm -      #50

    “I think dante can nullify healing abilities as seen in the anime. He takes out a guy whom regen from blood”

    Abigail or a different demon? It could just be Dante just being so massively strong that it overwhelmed its regen. Considering Dante’s level of strength, its possible.

    “New Dante while not quite as fast as Old Dante yet is still faster than Cole.”

    Where does this come from? Newte hasn’t even shown himself to be a bullet timer. The only real thing that gives him any major speed is reacting to Vergil’s teleportation and his DT timeslow. Other than that, he’s hardly impressive in the speed category.

    ” i believe he was.”

    Last I remember, that’s still being debated.

    -

  51. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 8:57 pm -      #51

    “@Dr. Doctor
    Very interesting, honestly wasn’t that surprised Vergil did that, it really was just an early forshadowing to his wanting to rule humans, was an example of his disinterest in helping humans.
    …..I’m going to have to play the game again now.”
    SOON as Vergil placed more value on destroying his database than Kat’s life, and their first argument, I was like, “Yup, they’s gonna fight.”
    I also like how they paid homage to DMC3 by dedicating Mission 20 to a final battle with Vergil…just like DMC3. Though having the end credits be a nonstop combat zone like DMC3 and Bayonetta did would have been nice…

  52. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 8:59 pm -      #52

    @SS
    maybe not in overall speed but he swings his sword and angelic weaponry far faster than Cole can swing the Amp. From what I recall of Infamous two anyway.

  53. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 8:59 pm -      #53

    So anyway, what do you think of Mission 15, Guardian? That mission was a mindfuck.

  54. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 9:01 pm -      #54

    @Dr. Doctor
    pretty much, he kept acting like a shittier and shittier ally as the game went. I wanted to smack him at several points.
    Haven’t played the other games so I don’t know how they compare.
    ————–
    now that I think did New Dante ever even get in a situation where Bullet Timing would have been useful.

  55. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 9:03 pm -      #55

    “now that I think did New Dante ever even get in a situation where Bullet Timing would have been useful.”
    Not really. He’s obviously quick though, even if not proved bullet timing, from dressing himself in a trailer that was being launched at him as an attack.

  56. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 9:04 pm -      #56

    Yeah a bit of a mind fuck, course then again I think I was still too freaked out by the previous boss fight with the Mundus Spawn thing.

  57. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 9:06 pm -      #57

    @Dr. Doctor
    ” Not really. He’s obviously quick though, even if not proved bullet timing, from dressing himself in a trailer that was being launched at him as an attack. ”
    didn’t think so I didn’t remember being shot at the entire time. And if you compare gameplay footage side by side or cutscene footage New Dante does seem faster. Of course it may not be New Dante we’re using and it’s moot anyway but considering the way round 2 ends doesn’t change much then perhaps it doesn’t really matter which is used.

  58. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 9:06 pm -      #58

    “Yeah a bit of a mind fuck, course then again I think I was still too freaked out by the previous boss fight with the Mundus Spawn thing.”
    I bring it up because Dante outspeeds a car, and even gravity, by several times, several times in that level. It wouldn’t have been Mundus modifying Limbo to do that during the mission, cause Mundus was flipping shit and trying to kill everything, and Dante wasn’t using his Devil Trigger during that mission at all, so what the fuck was happening?

  59. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 9:09 pm -      #59

    oh that..
    yeah ya got me on that shit. maybe Limbo was just going wonky…or maybe Dante had an adrenaline rush and it looked slowed down to him. Or plot…

  60. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 9:13 pm -      #60

    “oh that..
    yeah ya got me on that shit. maybe Limbo was just going wonky…or maybe Dante had an adrenaline rush and it looked slowed down to him. Or plot…”
    If it was Limbo going wonky, it was awful convenient, only doing it to what he needed it to.
    If it was adrenaline, then Jesus Christ this guy goes fast when on drugs.
    If it was plot, then fuck.

  61. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 9:22 pm -      #61

    @Dr. Doctor
    pretty much, but isn’t that how it always is if it was it going wonky? Game Mechanics possibly though as an alternative.

    Look at what regular humans are capable of on adrenaline, lifting cars somewhat and shit, this Dante’s half demon half angel so…kind of makes sense. And from some of the cutscenes and his hangover during level one….I could believe how fast he goes on drugs.

    and yeah…plot is plot…course we don’t know how in control Mundus was at that moment, anger is good at fucking with control.

  62. wingedlion February 20, 2013 at 9:29 pm -      #62

    “Last I remember, that’s still being debated.”

    it was? by who?

  63. hellboy147 February 20, 2013 at 9:41 pm -      #63

    “also apparently PS4 comes out tonight, or debut’s in New York at least”
    _

    At the intro of Killzone Shadow Fall I was like shut up and take my money lol. The only thing I hope is they show GranTurismo6 and new Uncharted game at e3

  64. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 9:56 pm -      #64

    “pretty much, but isn’t that how it always is if it was it going wonky? Game Mechanics possibly though as an alternative.”
    That could work, but it happened in cutscenes, and then during the level I could literally stand there and stare at the car as it flew threw the air at what should have been high speeds, except I could walk at a slow pace faster than it. Same with the high speed rotor, I could watch it nearly be a standstill object.

    “Look at what regular humans are capable of on adrenaline, lifting cars somewhat and shit, this Dante’s half demon half angel so…kind of makes sense. And from some of the cutscenes and his hangover during level one….I could believe how fast he goes on drugs.”
    That’s true, it still would mean Dante is ungodly amounts of fast without any time powers.

    “and yeah…plot is plot…course we don’t know how in control Mundus was at that moment, anger is good at fucking with control.”
    True, but for it to slow down conveniently at whenever Dante needed it to is a stretch of my imagination. I wanna throw Occam’s Razor at this and say “Dante either is stupid fast or has time powers”, except he never uses these powers again in game.

  65. Chuck inglish February 20, 2013 at 10:02 pm -      #65

    Here’s a calc for the car scene in DmC www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=19271#comment130854
    ==
    I though it was dante entering and exiting limbo. I don’t think it was a speed feat

  66. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 10:03 pm -      #66

    “That could work, but it happened in cutscenes, and then during the level I could literally stand there and stare at the car as it flew threw the air at what should have been high speeds, except I could walk at a slow pace faster than it. Same with the high speed rotor, I could watch it nearly be a standstill object.”
    true, maybe it was kind of an adrenal perspective thing, seeing it from Dante’s perspective time was standing still as his heart was racing during the cutscenes and he didn’t actually run around collecting stuff but ran straight too it?
    —————
    “That’s true, it still would mean Dante is ungodly amounts of fast without any time powers.”
    Course Old Dante is pretty damn fast without time powers as well.
    —————
    “True, but for it to slow down conveniently at whenever Dante needed it to is a stretch of my imagination. I wanna throw Occam’s Razor at this and say “Dante either is stupid fast or has time powers”, except he never uses these powers again in game.”
    Yeah, just plot doesn’t really work, cutscenes and all….so it has to be either his adrenaline was pumping and he’s that fast, or perhaps untapped potential time powers, Phineas did say he hadn’t quite unlocked his full potential left, considering it’s Devil Trigger we unlock and Dante is half angel…perhaps we’ll see an angelic time stop or angel trigger in the next game or something like that.

  67. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 10:06 pm -      #67

    “I though it was dante entering and exiting limbo. I don’t think it was a speed feat”
    That sounds like a plausible assumption, except Dante’s never been able to enter or exit Limbo at will, he needs Kat’s gates to do that or to be pulled in by a demon.

  68. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 10:08 pm -      #68

    @Chuck
    maybe, though up until that point we hadn’t seen Dante use his abilities outside of limbo, not saying he can’t but we never see it.

  69. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 10:11 pm -      #69

    “Yeah, just plot doesn’t really work, cutscenes and all….so it has to be either his adrenaline was pumping and he’s that fast, or perhaps untapped potential time powers, Phineas did say he hadn’t quite unlocked his full potential left, considering it’s Devil Trigger we unlock and Dante is half angel…perhaps we’ll see an angelic time stop or angel trigger in the next game or something like that.”
    I’m looking forward to a possible Angel Trigger in a sequel. Sort of like Dark and Light Jak from Jak 3.

    As for him using powers outside of Limbo, Limbo ceased existing before their fight with Mundus, and Dante’s powers worked just fine.

  70. Chuck inglish February 20, 2013 at 10:14 pm -      #70

    “That sounds like a plausible assumption”
    ===
    Had to be since a couple of demons spawned during the gameplay section. demons can’t appear in the real world, well not until the end of the game iirc

  71. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 10:14 pm -      #71

    @Dr. Doctor
    I thought it collapsed into the real world sort of a merging, that’s why all the signs showed what they usually only said in Limbo and why the Demons became visible plus that’s what Vergil says right before Dante and him fight isn’t it? or did that happen after the Mundus boss fight?

  72. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 10:16 pm -      #72

    @Chuck
    yeah, after Limbo collapses into the real world demons are visible and can interact with humans. Up until then it had been two separate planes and only Limbo could see us but not us see them.

  73. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 10:16 pm -      #73

    “Had to be since a couple of demons spawned during the gameplay section. demons can’t appear in the real world, well not until the end of the game iirc”
    The thing is though, he can’t *leave* Limbo and re-enter it without Kat’s gates, or at least at his own will. So time this all had to have been happening while he was in Limbo.

  74. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 10:19 pm -      #74

    “demons can’t appear in the real world”
    It’s a pretty safe assumption that they *could* appear in the real world, or at least the stronger ones could, since Mundus existed as “Ryder” and Bill O’Rei–I mean Bob Barbas was a news anchor and got shot up in the real world.

  75. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 10:21 pm -      #75

    I was right watch to after Vergil destroys the Hellgate, he destroys it and Limbo and regular world merge. So they were technically in Limbo. Plus they never exited Limbo after engaging Mundus

  76. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 10:22 pm -      #76

    damnit I wanted that to go straight to the point. skip to about 1:19:00

  77. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 10:24 pm -      #77

    “Plus they never exited Limbo after engaging Mundus”
    Well, when Limbo and the real world merged, it could be considered “exiting” it.

    Also, we have to consider that in the past New Dante dug his own heart out to assure himself of…something. Maybe his own masochism, but he wasn’t in Limbo more like than not when that happened. Also his scars healed during Mission One. I doubt his powers rely on being in Limbo.

  78. Chuck inglish February 20, 2013 at 10:24 pm -      #78

    “The thing is though, he can’t *leave* Limbo and re-enter it without Kat’s gates, or at least at his own will. So time this all had to have been happening while he was in Limbo.”
    ===
    My only guess is it was mundus’s doing

  79. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 10:26 pm -      #79

    “My only guess is it was mundus’s doing”

    This one may put a kink in everything, but after the motorboat part of Mission 15, Dante runs through a warehouse and hops on top of a moving car. Behind him the road is falling apart and he needs to use the Angel Lift and Angel Pull to get to solid ground, meaning either he never left Limbo and the timestop occured, or he did and his powers work outside of Limbo.

  80. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 10:27 pm -      #80

    “and the timestop occured”
    Timestop, Adrenaline Super Rush, whatever you wanna call it.

  81. Proto-Mind February 20, 2013 at 10:29 pm -      #81

    Nice, DmC Dante has a speed feat. Pretty interesting.

    Also, there was a reply to Chuck inglish’s comment in that link.

  82. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 10:31 pm -      #82

    “Also, there was a reply to Chuck inglish’s comment in that link.”
    If I had *any* way of calcing that, I would in a heartbeat lol
    Unfortunately anything beyond basic kinematics hurt my brain. :c

  83. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 10:41 pm -      #83

    “basic kinematics”
    …..bless you?
    no but seriously haven’t heard the word kinematics before. Guess that shows my level of math skill..
    @Proto
    yeah new Dante isn’t as pathetic as some people try to claim, he’s decently fast, gameplay side by side I’d but him above Cole at any rate. Plus he has more weapons, Osiris can launch any ranged attacks Cole uses right back at Cole even grenades, Eryx will shatter an ice shield, the Shurikan deal can go behind the electric shield and from what I can tell New Dante is at least stronger than the average human.

  84. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 10:43 pm -      #84

    “…..bless you?
    no but seriously haven’t heard the word kinematics before. Guess that shows my level of math skill..”
    Kine=movement
    matics=I dunno offhand, but think “mathematics”

    So “Movement” + “Mathematics” = Mathematics of Movement

    I’m sure you’re smarter than you give yourself credit for :3

  85. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 10:46 pm -      #85

    @Dr. Doctor
    I guessed it was something to do with motion but never heard the phrase used before, I had to drop out of Statistics and since I don’t need it now that I’m a History major plan on never trying it again.
    Though I suppose I should blame my teacher who would skim over a whole chapter in an hour long class, reading didn’t explain enough and we didn’t really get much besides a quick lesson of skimming over the chapter and then an assignment.

  86. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 10:47 pm -      #86

    “yeah new Dante isn’t as pathetic as some people try to claim, he’s decently fast, gameplay side by side I’d but him above Cole at any rate. Plus he has more weapons, Osiris can launch any ranged attacks Cole uses right back at Cole even grenades, Eryx will shatter an ice shield, the Shurikan deal can go behind the electric shield and from what I can tell New Dante is at least stronger than the average human.”
    Also given the fact he can swap between what weapons he uses at a thought, he can make some wicked combos. Start up with some Eryx to smash an ice shield and follow up with Aquila’s “Round Trip” to put some attack interrupting DoT damage on him, then follow that up with a finishing combo from Rebellion.

    Course that is a highly situational example.

  87. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 10:48 pm -      #87

    “Though I suppose I should blame my teacher who would skim over a whole chapter in an hour long class, reading didn’t explain enough and we didn’t really get much besides a quick lesson of skimming over the chapter and then an assignment.”
    My teacher does pretty much the same thing. I use Khan Academy to learn stuff he doesn’t teach well though.

  88. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 10:52 pm -      #88

    “Course that is a highly situational example.”
    Personally I’d see launching the initial assault back with Osiris use Aquila to get through the electric shield and close the distance, if he throws up ice shield bash it in with Eryx then use Osiris’s Prop followed by Shredder followed by a couple blasts from Revenant then a couple punches from Eryx to keep him staggered and then finish with Rebellion.
    ——————
    “My teacher does pretty much the same thing. I use Khan Academy to learn stuff he doesn’t teach well though.”
    I suck at math though, I’m more an English class side of the brain person. I barely scraped through College Algebra with a B.

  89. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 10:54 pm -      #89

    “I suck at math though, I’m more an English class side of the brain person. I barely scraped through College Algebra with a B.”
    I’m more of a writer, myself (coincidentally started a fanfic of the new DmC if you’d like a read), but my English/Econ/Government teacher this year sucks major balls.

  90. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 10:56 pm -      #90

    “Personally I’d see launching the initial assault back with Osiris use Aquila to get through the electric shield and close the distance, if he throws up ice shield bash it in with Eryx then use Osiris’s Prop followed by Shredder followed by a couple blasts from Revenant then a couple punches from Eryx to keep him staggered and then finish with Rebellion.”
    It’s crazy how many combos are possible.
    And we haven’t even started on “If he uses Devil Trigger” in our so far theoretical debate of New Dante vs Cole.
    ((Jesus New Dante’s DT breaks the game so hard. Breezing through Hell and Hell Mode cause enemies literally cannot touch me))

  91. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 10:58 pm -      #91

    If you have a link I’d be honored to read it :).
    And sucks that you don’t have a good teacher, is it the same teacher for all three classes?

  92. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 11:00 pm -      #92

    www.fanfiction.net/s/9009668/1/DnC-Devils-Never-Cry
    Here’s the link to my fanfic. I was originally gonna pitch it as an idea for a sequel to Ninja Theory, but they politely told me that they handled writing internally, so I decided just to post it up as a fanfic.

    Unfortunately yes, I have the same teacher for all three classes. They are one of those “I don’t want to be here so I’ll make your life hell too” kinds of teachers.

  93. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 11:04 pm -      #93

    @Dr. Doctor
    I know, the sheer number of weapons combos, damn. I sometimes switch between which angel and demon weapons I’m using mid combo too which just adds to the insanity. Course my absolute favorite weapon to use is Osiris, I don’t know why, but I love that weapon, spamming Prop and Shredder mean almost no one can get through to me in large crowded groups.

  94. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 11:05 pm -      #94

    “www.fanfiction.net/s/9009668/1/DnC-Devils-Never-Cry
    Here’s the link to my fanfic. I was originally gonna pitch it as an idea for a sequel to Ninja Theory, but they politely told me that they handled writing internally, so I decided just to post it up as a fanfic.

    Unfortunately yes, I have the same teacher for all three classes. They are one of those “I don’t want to be here so I’ll make your life hell too” kinds of teachers.”
    thanks. Can’t wait to read it.

    Ah, reminds me a bit of my Spanish Two teacher back in high school, course he was just an all around asshole.

  95. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 11:10 pm -      #95

    @Guardian:
    It’s crazy, NT got the fighting down PAT.
    My usual combo goes:
    “Killer->Killer->Buy In->Tornado” to get to S rank ASAP, followed up by “Killer->Killer->Buy In->Amazing Stomp!” to finish that up to SSS or SS depending on how many enemies survived that.

    After I hit SSS I start swapping between Rebellion, Arbiter and Eryx, and Ebony and Ivory in order to get my score as high as possible. :3

    “Ah, reminds me a bit of my Spanish Two teacher back in high school, course he was just an all around asshole.”
    Always confuses me so much why people go out of their way to be a teacher if they hate the job so much.

  96. Envoy February 20, 2013 at 11:16 pm -      #96

    “That sounds like a plausible assumption, except Dante’s never been able to enter or exit Limbo at will, he needs Kat’s gates to do that or to be pulled in by a demon.”
    +
    The ability of Nephilim in DmC is to enter and exit Limbo at will, I believe both the Angel and Demon doge moves both have him warping through the two realms to evade moves.
    =
    I kinda agree with Chuck, seeing as how time only slows when a certain orange wave pases over the car, much like the one mundus fires, after which it restarts when the wave pases over the area again.

  97. Professor ParaLowk February 20, 2013 at 11:18 pm -      #97

    “Plus he has more weapons, Osiris can launch any ranged attacks Cole uses right back at Cole”

    And Cole can do the same with his shockwaves which would be like adding on to the attack since now he would have to worry about the shockwave and the projectile. Not to mention that Cole can control some of them mid flight.
    ===
    “Eryx will shatter an ice shield”

    It’s not an actual shield it’s sort of an energy barrier that blocks stuff and turns the hits in into power.
    ===
    “the Shurikan deal can go behind the electric shield and from what I can tell New Dante is at least stronger than the average human.”

    Couldn’t Cole use his tk or force and/or gravity nullifying blast to knock them away?

  98. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 11:21 pm -      #98

    “It’s crazy, NT got the fighting down PAT.
    My usual combo goes:
    “Killer->Killer->Buy In->Tornado” to get to S rank ASAP, followed up by “Killer->Killer->Buy In->Amazing Stomp!” to finish that up to SSS or SS depending on how many enemies survived that.

    After I hit SSS I start swapping between Rebellion, Arbiter and Eryx, and Ebony and Ivory in order to get my score as high as possible. :3

    “Ah, reminds me a bit of my Spanish Two teacher back in high school, course he was just an all around asshole.”
    Always confuses me so much why people go out of their way to be a teacher if they hate the job so much.”
    Nice, usually when I’m going for the high combos it’ll depend on the enemies at the time but usually push them into one area with Osiris blasting them with blows the whole time then bash with Eryx couple shots from either ebony and ivory or revenant and if they are alive at the end get them with a couple blows from rebellion and maybe another blow from Osiris just to be sure.
    only gun I never use is the damn grenade launcher.
    ———–
    Yeah, its sad that people won’t just get the jobs they want instead of ruining peoples shots at a good education.

  99. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 20, 2013 at 11:23 pm -      #99

    and just watched the scene, Phyneas tells Dante he found his inner devil but has yet to get his full potential. We’ll be seeing an Angel trigger no doubt.

  100. Dr. Doctor February 20, 2013 at 11:30 pm -      #100

    “The ability of Nephilim in DmC is to enter and exit Limbo at will, I believe both the Angel and Demon doge moves both have him warping through the two realms to evade moves.”
    I remember that cutscene with Phineas where he states that, but Dante doesn’t really show himself ever doing this, previously needing Kat’s gates to go in and out of Limbo.

    If he could do this at will, he could have returned to the real world and saved Kat, but he didn’t, and between that mission and Mission 15 he showed no new learning of techniques.

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