Altair Vs Ezio Vs Connor

Altair Vs Ezio Vs Connor

Suggested by Private Khaos

The three assassins must fight each other while tracking down an important Templar figure.

No ranged weapons or pieces of Eden allowed.

They are at their peak.

They all start 3 away from each other in New York City and somewhere is the Templar giving a public speech. The Templar knows he’s being targeted but doesn’t know by who.

There are 15 body guards in the area armed only with a standard pistol and club.

Who will kill the target first and who will win if they fight?

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210 Comments on "Altair Vs Ezio Vs Connor"

  1. Praetor Prefect (who knows where his towel is) February 15, 2013 at 7:49 am -      #1

    At peak I’d say both Altair and Ezio beat Connor. I don’t know which would win though, as both Altair and Ezio were assassin grandmasters and considered the greatest of their time.

  2. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 15, 2013 at 8:20 am -      #2

    Damn phone screwed up just as I finished a well thought out post.
    Okay here goes not as in depth.
    Conner will have a bit of a disadvantage in the heavily urban environment which is different from what he’s used to. But he’s quick to adapt and will have catch up time while the masters strategize to hit their target. While there are no ranged weapons no on said no distraction tools so smoke bombs and noise grenades are fair game for Ezio, don’t you just love loopholes? So Ezio has the best chance to get past the guards if he really does have that. And from what we know of the three he’s likely the most resistant to damage if not of all three then out of him and Altiar. Armor will play a big role if it comes to a fight as will techniques, as of Revelations Ezio had the most gadgets to use in direct combat the hook blade is something neither Altair or Conner has seen so while Conner may have a more advanced hidden blade but he doesn’t have the toys Ezio does. So in the end whether its fight or assassination I can see Ezio coming out on top

  3. Total_Overkill February 15, 2013 at 8:24 am -      #3

    Uh, is this modern day New York… ?
    If it is, im putting money on the BODYGUARDS WITH GLOCKS ^_^

  4. Private Khaos February 15, 2013 at 8:25 am -      #4

    Ok from playing Assasin’s Creed, Assassin’s Creed Brotherhood, Revalations, and AC3 I know Ezio and Altair are the most skilled but Connor is stronger from what I’ve seen in the game. He may not be as skilled but definitely stronger. Plus as what the Guardian said he can easily adapt to the environment.

  5. The Expert February 15, 2013 at 8:47 am -      #5

    I say Ezio just because he is the most skilled and most developed of the 2 Altair Is a lone wolf and will
    most likey fight pretty well being part of the real order from the templar age.conner may be the strongest but slow. he can easliy be killed by ezio or altair.

  6. The Expert February 15, 2013 at 8:52 am -      #6

    EZio will most likely get to the target first but may come in contact with Altair or connor in a straght up fight Ezio will rape connor. but connor does have firearms

  7. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 15, 2013 at 8:57 am -      #7

    @Total Overkill
    not likely if these guys play their usual game. Its tough but they can handle it.
    Conner will maybe try to take a more direct route not right up the guards but he’ll be less likely to try to be more direct stab if he can. He didn’t seem the type to leap assassinate as often. He might try to take the guards or he might try to just stealth.
    Ezio will likely distract the guards first then nail the target. He has the gear and knows how to improvise so he’ll have a good shot. He may enlist some criminal element or someone to distract
    Altair will go straight stealth. Thats his specialty he’ll either try to infiltrate in a crowd or just sneak in.

  8. Private Khaos February 15, 2013 at 8:58 am -      #8

    I specifically said no ranged weapons so they can’t snipe each other with throwing knives or firearms

  9. The Expert February 15, 2013 at 9:11 am -      #9

    in a straght up fight i would say ezio would win by just waiting for one to take the other out, but maybe im starting to underesdmating connor a bit he was trained by archilles but still mainley relies on brute strength to overpower his target. but Ezio is just to fast and it may come down to just altair vs.Ezio

  10. The Expert February 15, 2013 at 9:16 am -      #10

    off-topic question here but how exactly do we suggest battles

  11. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 15, 2013 at 9:47 am -      #11

    Battle requests,link on the side bar over recent comments. Its free unless you just want to pay.
    On topic, while Conner may be the strongest that would only maybe help in a pure fist fight. With the toys it doesn’t matter, though Ezio is likely pretty close to him in strength. The toys make them close to even, but its Ezio’s combination of ingenuity and intellect, strength, resiliance, skills, weapons, and experience that give him a winning edge. In a direct fight he’s in a unique position having lived some of Altairs life through the keys he knows how Altair fights, and he can recognize Conners youthful vengeful hatred of the Templars that he felt in his younger days. He has a unique psychological edge in a direct fight because of this he can hit Conner hard and make him question why he fights as an assassin, make him question if he really knows himself. Altair he can hit with barbs about his failure to defend his son and about letting the order become corrupted for a time.

  12. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 15, 2013 at 2:07 pm -      #12


  13. Dr. Doctor February 15, 2013 at 3:17 pm -      #13

    I…thought this match wasn’t going to happen ^_^;

    We agreed earlier on the topia that Ezio is definitely the damage absorbing tankman of the trio, as well as being the gadget-and-gizmo Italian Batman of the three.

    I see Ezio coming out on top because he can take a bullet given that he tanks dropping several stories after fighting a long hard battle, and walks it off, after his peak. As well, he is definitely the most resourceful, and has no qualms getting in touch with the criminal elements.

  14. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 15, 2013 at 3:18 pm -      #14

    Anyone? Anyone want to debate this? Fresh interesting non trolled debate here.
    Okay…I’ll talk some more about why I think in a direct fight Ezio would dominate.
    While Conner might seem the strongest something to take into account is that both Ezio and Altair do the same kinds of climbing on buildings and leaping fences as Conner with not only as many weapons but armor, no matter how lightweight the armor metal armor is metal armor, it’s heavy, and Ezio and Altair both perform the same feats of agility as Conner.
    Also to take into account is the Hidden Gun, Ezio is able to fire it with the recoil barely bothering him once he’s used to it. While it’s the same caliber likely as Conner’s pistols it’s recoil unlike Conner’s goes directly into Ezio’s wrist and arm. The fact that he doesn’t break his arm with every use is nothing short of amazing but add in that he’s keeping his arm from reacting the way anyone using a dueling pistols arm does (lifting up the weapon quite a bit) which takes some amount of strength to counteract. While guns aren’t in play here that doesn’t change not only Ezio’s resilience, but his ability to fight the recoil of a firearm. Dude has some tough arm muscles.

  15. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 15, 2013 at 3:27 pm -      #15

    @Dr. Doctor
    Welcome into the fight, was worried no one was going to debate it today which would be a shame.
    I keep pondering in my head though, as well as Ezio moves in Revelations for a guy his age, could that be his peak, and do we take his peak of skill or peak of physical ability. Because amazing though he was in Brotherhood his skills in Revelations and his tools are at their peak.
    Still I think Ezio has an edge in getting to the target. Ranged weapons are out but not his distraction grenades since they aren’t weapons and don’t injure or kill. Cherry Bombs, Smoke Bombs, the guards can’t really do much when they are snatched around a corner and stabbed to death. Altair is the least likely to try and hit the guards off the bat, with Connor probably not really giving a fuck one way or another, he seemed less interested in pure stealth and more interested in kicking as much ass as he could. Which could work to Ezio and Altair’s advantage since Connor could try to take out all the guards while Ezio would just take out the ones that might see him and Altair will move to a position they won’t be able to stop him anyway.
    In a direct fight like I discussed earlier Ezio has the unique position of being able to psychologically play with Connor (having had similar rage against the templar feelings when he was Connors age) and has lived parts of Altair’s life and knows of Altair’s perceived greatest failures. It’s a unique advantage he can use in a direct fight and as clever as he is he would do it.

  16. Dr. Doctor February 15, 2013 at 3:34 pm -      #16

    Thanks :3

    When I say “past his peak” I am speaking physical peak for a human in general. People generally take injuries much better when younger in age, and even before the whole “I fell several stories and survived without an injury” thing, he got shot off of a building in Brotherhood and stood up to keep fighting after. Albeit he was injured, he still killed just as many people on the way through Monterrigioni as he would have otherwise.

    I hadn’t thought of the psychological aspect, that definitely is something Ezio could play off of. Maybe direct Connor into being that reckless tank and trick Altair into exposing the target for Ezio to fly in and kill somehow.

  17. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 15, 2013 at 3:42 pm -      #17

    @Dr. Doctor
    You’re welcome. Always good to see you back, it’s a bonus that your here to help keep this fight from dying.
    I know I was just saying which should we use here, the peak of human age, or peak of skill which would be Revelations.
    Yeah, I hadn’t thought of using it in the Assassination though.
    In my head I pictured Ezio and Connor clashing in an office area on the way to the target, with Ezio slowly taunting Connor into a blind rage as he takes him apart weapon by weapon, slowly kicking those wounds. Then Connor goes for his next weapon and realizes he’s completely disarmed now and Ezio finishes the tongue lashing and the fight in one swift move.

  18. Knukails February 15, 2013 at 4:07 pm -      #18

    @The Guardian

    While in the mean time atair would either be killing the target or waiting for the perfect moment to strike.

  19. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 15, 2013 at 4:10 pm -      #19

    depends on how much in the line of site they are and how much distance they are from each other and the target.

  20. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 15, 2013 at 4:11 pm -      #20

    Besides that’s only if there is a direct fight

  21. Knukails February 15, 2013 at 4:14 pm -      #21

    @The Guardian

    True, although i would expect altair to avoid an direct confrontation.

  22. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 15, 2013 at 4:20 pm -      #22

    Ezio probably would too, that’s why I said it likely would only come into play in the event of a direct confrontation. The way the target and them set up is a bit sketchy it would be nice to have some more details to be honest.

  23. Dr. Doctor February 15, 2013 at 4:21 pm -      #23

    In truth, I expect both Ezio and Altair to avoid direct confrontation, simply because that is how they operate. Conner’s time period had him fighting in a war, where people’s worries about a hidden killer are only about as much as they are about the visible ones across the battlefield, so stealth never was much of a question for him, as much as it was charge across the field of combat and kill, or stand back and order batallions to bring death upon your foes.

  24. Knukails February 15, 2013 at 4:27 pm -      #24

    In essence giving Connor the role of a tank. i agree with your point, their behaviors and styles are a product of their environment.

  25. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 15, 2013 at 4:35 pm -      #25

    Agreed I said it earlier but Connor is more likely to try and go straight up to the target and kill him. Ezio and Altair will go for more stealthy approaches.
    Of the three Ezio is a middle ground type, he’ll do more of a distract the guards then sneak up on the target. He’s as durable as Connor and the armor is a bonus. Ezio likely won’t need to do much though since Connor is probably going to be noticed and attacked by the guards, his Captain Morgan ring will help with bullets so he won’t just get put down right away. Altair and Ezio will capitalize on this and it will be a race to the target. I think Ezio can win it.

  26. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 15, 2013 at 4:40 pm -      #26

    also badass Avatar Knukails.
    Zeus if I’m not mistaken right?

  27. Amm0vamp1r3 February 15, 2013 at 4:41 pm -      #27

    when I got that ring I was upset, I was expecting something amazing.

    But connot not having the bow and arrow takes away some of my ideas seeing as that was my weapon of choice.

    But quick question it says they don’t have ranged weapons but It doesn’t say they cant pick them up if one of the armed guards has them. So can they pick them up or am I reaching?

  28. Knukails February 15, 2013 at 4:41 pm -      #28

    Well in terms of armor does altair have his armor that he fashioned from the apple?

  29. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 15, 2013 at 4:43 pm -      #29

    I’m assuming since it says they aren’t allowed to use them at all it means the can’t pick up either.

  30. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 15, 2013 at 4:45 pm -      #30

    I’m assuming that Altair has the sword and armor of Altair
    Ezio has Vlad the Impalers sword and the green armor from Revelations (can’t think of the name but the one you get finding those book pages) and Connor doesn’t matter on the outfit but the Captain Kidd sword.
    But that’s just what I’m assuming.

  31. Knukails February 15, 2013 at 5:19 pm -      #31

    @The Guardian

    Ishak pasha’s armor (ezio).
    Altair’s going to be coming in heavy if so.
    Does connor really need armor?

  32. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 15, 2013 at 5:33 pm -      #32

    yes that one thank you. and yeah Altair and Ezio are both going to have the big guns (I’m assuming all three will have the best weapons in the game for the weapons they are allowed)
    Connor doesn’t in his game, but for this fight it’s a bit of a detriment if he does get attacked by one of the other assassins, the guards guns will do what they will to him and the others but in a fight with Altair or Ezio his lack of armor will lead to him coming out worse for ware if he comes out at all.

  33. Private Khaos February 15, 2013 at 6:51 pm -      #33

    Lets keep ranged weapons out of this because I just see an easy victory if they just shoot one another

  34. An English Dragon February 15, 2013 at 6:52 pm -      #34

    Okay. I’m going to say Altair takes target, Ezio wins fight. Why? Well, they’ll ALL go for the Templar first, and while Ezio uses distraction, Conner and Altair will both go for the target. Altair, the superior ASSASSIN, will get it. But, when he’s momentarily distracted, Conner, the superior FIGHTER will kill him. Then, regardless of circumstance, Ezio facerolls.

  35. Sylar121 February 15, 2013 at 7:51 pm -      #35

    Altair was always my favriout, but i don’t get why many people love Ezio so much

  36. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 15, 2013 at 7:57 pm -      #36

    @Private Khaos
    none of us were discussing the use of ranged weapons. I brought up Ezio’s hidden gun as a durability/strength feat on his part.
    could you give us a bit more info on the set up of where they are and where the templar is though? All the scenario says is 3 away but not what 3. It’d be helpful if we had more information about the whole battlefield and all.

  37. Amm0vamp1r3 February 15, 2013 at 7:59 pm -      #37

    I think that was directed at me

    to answer my question,although you answered it.

  38. Private Khaos February 15, 2013 at 8:22 pm -      #38

    They start separately each 3 miles from Central Park where the Templar is giving a public speech in the park

    Is that good enough?

  39. Virgil February 15, 2013 at 8:41 pm -      #39

    @Private Khaos

    Do they get their best armor/weapons?

  40. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 15, 2013 at 8:56 pm -      #40

    @Private Khaos
    Yeah, just wanted to know the specifics since the posted scenario didn’t say. And it makes a big difference how they will act.

  41. Praetor Prefect (who knows where his towel is) February 15, 2013 at 11:38 pm -      #41

    I assume we put all high level armor on equal terms (as in Ishak Armor = Altair’s Armor = Armor of Brutus)

  42. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 15, 2013 at 11:39 pm -      #42

    well Connor doesn’t have armor so it’d be Ishak Armor for Ezio and Atairs armor for Altair.

  43. Draco February 16, 2013 at 12:09 am -      #43

    I feel that though ezio is a bit arrogant. It shows up in his style. It’ll throw him off when he faces the guards who will not mess around. While I’m sure they could see a man in white hood an strange florintine clothing approaching them.

    Altair is more stealthy, but as well arrogant, but supresses it more. Though he prefers running away from a fight rather than hitting them head on. Should he get caught he would most likely run, which is a bad idea with people who have guns.

    The match description says no ranged weapons for the assassins. Which means no gun, or throwing knives. Please leave the use of the gun discussion out.

  44. Dassadec February 16, 2013 at 12:31 am -      #44

    I know nothing of Altair and Connor. Ezio has a lot of feats to draw from though so ill throw my support there til I hear more

  45. Kytheros February 16, 2013 at 5:40 am -      #45

    Draco – discussing use of guns is acceptable (and appropriate) when discussing the effects of recoil on the individual assassins => supporting a comparison of strength and durability. Anybody remember the (apparent) recoil effects of the hidden pistol on Ancient Altair? I don’t really remember it that well, but I think I remember that it wasn’t that bad.

    I think this kinda comes down to where in Central Park the Templar is – if he’s near a (relatively) wooded area, Connor just might get the kill from a tree.
    Between Ezio and Altair, Ezio may have something of an edge, as he experienced some of Altair’s life through the Keys, but Altair is still a serious badass – and Altair (probably) acquired even more from the Apple – he did, after all, have it for a long while. Both Ezio and Altair have a significant skill and experience edge on Connor, who apparently more or less retired after the events of AC3 (so far, anyways – future games and/or DLC may or may not advance Connor in skill).

  46. Draco February 16, 2013 at 8:39 am -      #46

    Most guns in game would kill instantly. Then again, I never played revelations.

    Guns don’t take much ti handle, even the old gunpowder versions. And most weren’t lethal anyways, many soldiers died from infection rather than a gunshot depending on placement. But a bullet to the head is just as lethal to ezio as it is to anyone else, as he lacks helmet protection.

    Altair never had a gun in his game. His only long range weapon was throwing knives. He built schematics for one, but never owned or fired one, the time period being during the crusades.

    Don’t know about connor si I won’t say anything on him.

    Altair was rash at first, which nearly got him killed and got another person killed because of it. But at his peak, which imo is the end, he’s much more controlled and deadly. Tho in a straight up fight he would fail. Getting the jump on his enemies is his speciality. Ezio seems to have a greater advantage in CQC.

  47. Kytheros February 16, 2013 at 9:01 am -      #47

    Ancient Altair – from Revelations – uses the (first) Hidden Pistol.

    Recoil’s a bitch and a half, even with old, subsonic black powder weapons. Especially since it’s probable that the Hidden Pistol is a hefty caliber, firing a relatively large, heavy bullet.
    At any rate, the relative recoil effects of the Hidden Pistol on Ancient Altair compared to the recoil effects on Ezio (at various points in his known career), can be used to directly compare the two Assassins.

    Connor – at least from what we know, seems to have most of the worst traits of both Ezio and Altair – arrogance, brashness, overconfidence, impulsiveness.

    Altair was trained when the Assassins were quite powerful as an organization, and, for the most part, weren’t engaged in direct combat with the Templars (as an organization), and the Templars had less directly influence and power as an organization (much of its apparent power was through the personal positions of its membership outside of the Templars).
    Ezio was trained when the Assassins were directly engaged with the Templars as an organization, but there was a degree of parity.
    Connor has been trained with the Assassins extremely weak, and the Templars ascendant, with a great deal of direct power and influence.

  48. Amm0vamp1r3 February 16, 2013 at 9:25 am -      #48

    Didn’t Connor get past that brashness



    When the Old man Died,he cut his hair painted his face. And didn’t he begin to change?

  49. Amm0vamp1r3 February 16, 2013 at 9:38 am -      #49

    Honestly I don’t think connor should have been in this.

    Becuase Ezio Has had 2-3 games to grow as a person where he started off some rebel grew to a badass

    Altair he Had one game possibly the worse out of the series (in my opinion) but he was shown in other games I think it was revelations or brother hood where we follow his exploits and get his armor

    And Connor had a few years albeit good years but he didn’t really grow all to much like the rest,His only advantage although not a strong one is his heritage. He was raised hunting climbing trapping etc etc.

    So that being said I think Altair being the stealthy stay back,Ezio same but in a tool user type of way and Connor using people,and tools.I think Altair will take it more often than not

  50. hellboy147 February 16, 2013 at 9:50 am -      #50

    Altair is a born assassin while Ezio if forced to become an assassin. Ezio might have the advantage with 2 hidden blades and better armor but on the other side Altair got his armor which was the strongest in the AC2 and sword of Altair the most powerful sword in AC2. About Connor don’t know anything about him.

    leaning towards Altair

  51. Knukails February 16, 2013 at 10:32 am -      #51

    I doubt being an assassin by birth matter. If we go by your argument Ezio and Connor were assassins by birth.(Connor on a technicality) if you mean training, Altair has had more extensive training but Ezio learned by experience and Connor had some training but learned more by experience as well. It all really comes down to the individual assassins style. Connor do far is a tank, wading into a fight. Altair is an old school assassin, he would stick to stealth. Ezio is kind of a mix, taunting and fighting, stealth and tank. I would love too see Connors progression as an assassin before I make a decision.

  52. Knukails February 16, 2013 at 10:33 am -      #52


  53. Nomad February 16, 2013 at 10:46 am -      #53

    I think Connor is physically the strongest out of the three. Not sure how that would help him much in this fight.

  54. Amm0vamp1r3 February 16, 2013 at 10:49 am -      #54


    Doesn’t Desmond use connors skills to fight various guards and climb and such at sometimes?

  55. Knukails February 16, 2013 at 11:23 am -      #55


    He uses a combination of all three.

  56. Draco February 16, 2013 at 2:51 pm -      #56

    Being an assassin friim birth means that you have longer time to train. Altair not being forced into becoming an assassin he was made to be that good.

    Ezio was not trained in the least, he just learned his fighting from street brawls, learned his parkour from getting away from guards and sneaking inti ladies rooms. And picked up the rest on the way.


    I had not known altair used the first pistol, apologies. I missed revelations and 3.

    I believe it did state somewhere that the pistol was a higher caliber. But this doesn’t matter, people now can fire .50 caliber weapons, which I believe is the handhel weaponry with the most recoil. There’s little to no difference in humans nowadays and humans then. Doesn’t matter what the caliber or the recoil is, unless it would have shattered his arm it’s no good for determining strength between the two.

    The gun got major upgrades from Da vinci anyways. Iirc lowering recoil and fixing some outdated or messed up parts. (At least in AC2)

  57. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 16, 2013 at 8:48 pm -      #57

    Actually the only upgrades to the hidden gun came in Brotherhood that I remember, Leonardo added the ability to shoot poison darts and in Revelations there were unknown upgrades to let it be aimed and fired faster, but no known change in recoil to the gun. Unless there was something stated in the games I don’t remember.
    still doesn’t change that while Ezio wasn’t trained the same way as Altair he was trained, in case you’ve forgotten the people running the Mercenaries, Thieves, and Courtesans as well as Machiavelli and Mario were all members of the Assassin Order with specialized skills that they taught to Ezio. While it doesn’t seem it in the game it does take place over the course of several years, several years of living with and training with Mario. He didn’t sit on his ass sipping wine when he wasn’t out killing people. For ten years the secret Assassin Order members trained and prepared Ezio to become a member of the order. Over the course of the years 2 Brotherhood and Revelations Ezio slowly became a better and stronger assassin, He became councilor to Pope Julius II for a reason as well. By Revelations there’s a reason even the leader of the Istanbul Assassin’s called Ezio mentor, he was The top dog. Even in Embers where Ezio was an old man who’s physical condition had deteriorated he was able to own three young skilled Chinese Swordsmen with a fireplace poker.
    Not only that but of the three he is the only one with Eagle Sense, meaning he can better track the guards and target, an extremely useful skill in this fight. While Altair and Connors Eagle vision is good, Eagle Sense is the evolved skill. Altair invented several of Ezio’s tools but Ezio mastered not only the tools but using them in conjunction with each other dual wielding his weapons for kills. He also has the hook blade which was invented by the Ottoman Assassins and is something Altair will not know about, it seems the use was also forgone by Connors era since it wasn’t used and instead Connor had the pivot blade, which while useful doesn’t give him much of an edge.

  58. Amm0vamp1r3 February 16, 2013 at 8:57 pm -      #58

    “While it doesn’t seem it in the game it does take place over the course of several years, several years of living with and training ”

    You do see a little of the training. The coutisans teach you pickpocketing I think or how to use them to distract gaurds. Im pretty sure there is more but this is one I do remember

    “he is the only one with Eagle Sense, meaning he can better track the guards and target, an extremely useful skill in this fight. While Altair and Connors Eagle vision is good, Eagle Sense is the evolved skill.”

    They all seemed to work the same to me

    One thing that could give connor an edge is his ability to climb,His seemed the best to me. So he would get to the top of a tree,building or something and syncronize the area

  59. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 16, 2013 at 9:18 pm -      #59

    I know, was just saying to say Ezio doesn’t have much formal training isn’t true since for ten years he was being trained by several Assassin’s and became an incredibly skilled warrior to rival Altair by the era of his journey to Masyaf and Istanbul.
    Eagle sense allows Ezio to know where targets/enemies have gone as well as anticipate where they will be. He can avoid any patrolling guards on the outer parts of wherever the Templar is (there are several buildings in the park including a museum, so just synchronizing the area may not help and all three will likely go for the synchronize anyway if they see the need) whereas Eagle Vision only highlights targets and guards.
    Of course it all depends on the Templars exact location in the park.

  60. Knukails February 16, 2013 at 9:36 pm -      #60

    @The Guardian

    Do you think eagle sense would give Ezio an edge? They all have essentially the same ability and presumably the same chance to enhance their abilities.

  61. Amm0vamp1r3 February 16, 2013 at 9:42 pm -      #61

    Also Connors very impressive ability to look at a hole in the dirt and deduce that “A raccoon rested here” but I don’t know if it would be to much of a stretch to say he could do so with a human since he didn’t do so in the game

  62. Knukails February 16, 2013 at 9:50 pm -      #62


    He does it as a child during hide and seek, he does it to track one of church’s men…i think he does it another time but i cant remember.

  63. Amm0vamp1r3 February 16, 2013 at 9:54 pm -      #63

    Oh yea I forgot about hide and seek

    So connor does have an edge when it comes to hunting people down. His eagle vision points out every little disturbance. Blood spots in that murder scene,Little things in the woods etc etc

    So I think Ezio and Connor both have some specialties in there Eagle vision.

  64. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 16, 2013 at 9:56 pm -      #64

    not sure how much in the actual killing. But it would let him know where guards were going to be and coming.
    I did a bit more research and Connor did have the evolved Eagle Sense, so he and Ezio are both going to be able to know when and where the guards are going to be. Altair is odd bird out.

  65. Knukails February 16, 2013 at 11:14 pm -      #65

    Maybe its an “evolution” of the eagle sense. In the games they say Desmond has an unnaturally high amount of first civ dna in him. It would explain why he was able to interact with Juno, Minerva and Jupiter (i refuse to call him Tinia) better than his predecessors, but that may also be because of his point in time. In any case perhaps the strength of the “Sixth sense” (lol) is increase every generation, ex. Altair->Ezio who makes it more powerful->Connor who’s ability is more finely tuned then those before him.

  66. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 17, 2013 at 12:26 am -      #66

    Possibly, or it has something to do with Juno, she didn’t need to give Altair eagle sense because his targets all were easy to find and he wasn’t needed for anything more than to make sure the Assassins got the apple. Ezio was the most important as he allowed the bridge to Desmond and Connor was almost equal if not because he would hide the key to unleashing her so they got upgrades.

  67. ka-tet19 February 17, 2013 at 12:30 am -      #67

    “Anyone? Anyone want to debate this? Fresh interesting non trolled debate here.”

    i’m still in the first few levels of ac3 but when i finish it you all be warned! be prepared for me to drop the hammer down!

  68. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 17, 2013 at 12:38 am -      #68

    Connor doesn’t do much besides show durability close to Ezio’s though he takes a lot more damage for running around in regular clothes not armor. He never really gains the experience level of the other two.

  69. Amm0vamp1r3 February 17, 2013 at 12:42 am -      #69


    Ezio is Like Batman, He was just a “kid” but then trains to become effective

    Connor is like The Punisher, He is effective combat wise and uses what he knows and what he picks up along the way to aid him

    Altair is like Dante,in a way,he is skilled but has to learn humility and once he does this he becomes a force

  70. ka-tet19 February 17, 2013 at 12:46 am -      #70

    @13th vamp
    by personality shouldn’t ezio be dante and altair be batman?

  71. Amm0vamp1r3 February 17, 2013 at 12:49 am -      #71


    i wasn’t really going off of personality,I was going off of there route to effectivness

    Personality wise Ezio and Altair would both be Dante like because they both go from Brash and cocky to Business minded and deadly

  72. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 17, 2013 at 1:17 am -      #72

    Yeah but of the three, Connor is the only one who sucks in the majority of his cutscene fights. And then there’s the fight with Haythem…
    Plus he’s really bad at thinking things completely through, compared to his personal goal at least.

  73. Knukails February 17, 2013 at 1:20 am -      #73

    @The Guardian

    That would also make sense seeing how Ezio had to find his apple, find Altair’s seals as well as his apple to reach the nexus so he and Jupiter (still not gonna say tinia) can talk and show a vision to Desmond so he could rise from his coma to save the world. *Gasp* *sigh* now wasn’t that a mouthful.

  74. Amm0vamp1r3 February 17, 2013 at 1:23 am -      #74

    Yea his cutscenes don’t do him justice

    And he does listen at all he is too attached to his hatred for his father his native american want for Freedom

  75. Knukails February 17, 2013 at 1:25 am -      #75

    @The Guardian

    You forget that he never really followed the assassins mentality. He had trouble with secrecy, lying and controlling his emotions, maybe more so than Ezio.

  76. Amm0vamp1r3 February 17, 2013 at 1:30 am -      #76

    I still haven’t finished AC3 I can’t find the power things as Desmond lol so i just stopped caring

    So I don’t know if there will be a set up for connor to have another game. but if so I suspect he will grow.

    If not then going off what he knows and has shown he has some chances maybe but they could be countered by the other assassins

  77. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 17, 2013 at 1:34 am -      #77

    Yeah….well…..Juno wasn’t…..yeah…’ll see at the end….you’ll see at the end….but saving the world is……a loose way to describe it……like murder is a loose way to describe what Hitler did.
    Yeah, he didn’t really get into it like the others. And it’s possible he might be easily manipulated, or might not, what with all the horrid trust issues he has to have by the end with people backstabbing and betraying him left and right. Especially George Washington
    problem is cutscenes are the higher canon to gameplay….which means Conor really was that bad at fighting more experienced assassins like Haythem (or assassin turned templar anyway) meaning an all out duel with Ezio or Altair could prove detrimental to his ability to be alive.

  78. Knukails February 17, 2013 at 1:34 am -      #78

    You cant find the place to put them?

  79. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 17, 2013 at 1:37 am -      #79

    its iffy if he would get another but Ubisoft has said Connor isn’t getting more story. The ending with Desmond…..


    dies freeing Juno who saves the world from the solar flare and decides to kill anyone who could stop her and take over da world and enslave da humans because she can. Oh and again dead Desmond means unless he has an illegitamate sister or son or his dad or mom hop in the Animus Connor is left having mostly retired from his life as an Assassin after reviving the brotherhood. Oh and Desmond died.

  80. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 17, 2013 at 1:39 am -      #80

    If your having trouble finding where to plug in the batteries go where the new area opened up and follow Juno.

  81. Amm0vamp1r3 February 17, 2013 at 1:39 am -      #81

    Honestly the time between playing the games I forgot what I was looking for its been weeks maybe a month since I last played it.

    So I may just watch a playthrough to catch myself up

  82. Amm0vamp1r3 February 17, 2013 at 1:41 am -      #82

    Oh thanks G.A im about to pop it in right now just to see this go down. And I wil be back

    Actually no Im not I don;t have my playstation

  83. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 17, 2013 at 1:42 am -      #83

    you don’t actually have to find them, you just follow the linear path until stuff happens, kick some ass run away from guys with guns, kick more ass, flee, whatever the game tells you to do. Or read my spoiler above.

  84. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 17, 2013 at 1:45 am -      #84

    and never mind didn’t get that before your post showed up so ignore most of 83 like I said though spoiler above tells you how the game ends. and it’s blunt. the game ends bluntly and feeling like it’s a middle finger telling you yes everything you did was a waste.

  85. Knukails February 17, 2013 at 1:46 am -      #85

    lol the abstergo mission was satisfying

  86. Amm0vamp1r3 February 17, 2013 at 1:48 am -      #86

    I did and the fact that you know who is,you know what now. And they said connor may not get any more story. Im losing my footing siding with him

    The only other thing I could think of is, If (since I don’t know if its against the rules or not) Connor uses people to start riots and pretend he is a prisoner at times. Maybe he could do something to along those lines

  87. Knukails February 17, 2013 at 1:56 am -      #87

    @The Guardian#26

    sorry i missed your comment thanks but no it’s not zeus any more it’s supposed to be god. like burning bush,flood obey me or burn god. lol i think im gonna change it every month. Btw i noticed you changed your avatar and name as well.

  88. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 17, 2013 at 2:01 am -      #88

    yes yes it was a very satisfying mission. Damn it felt good to see Vidic get what was coming to him.
    Ah I wasn’t sure, the lightning and gauntlets looked kind of Zeusy…
    And yeah, decided to mix it up and was feeling a bit nostalgic so I decided to modify my name to Guardian (or the Guardian in the Tardis) which came from an old Doctor Who Roleplay I got in several years ago, it ended up dying but that’s where it came from. That and a character in one of my books I’m working on is titled the Guardian so it doubles meaning for me. My original GuardianAngel1911 name is something different entirely. But like I said I was feeling nostalgic so I went with Guardian in the TARDIS

  89. Knukails February 17, 2013 at 2:09 am -      #89

    @The Guardian

    ahhhh that makes sense. KInda like why i use Knukails. Its the name of an imaginary persona i gave myself as a kid to go on adventures through Time, Space and whatever movie , game, cartoons or comics!!!!!! hahahaha. Nolstalgia is good.

  90. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 17, 2013 at 2:14 am -      #90

    yes it is. Guardian was my secretly Timelord character in the roleplay, who while masquerading as a human joined the Doctor, but he wasn’t just any Timelord, he was the Doctors son.

  91. Knukails February 17, 2013 at 2:19 am -      #91


  92. Knukails February 17, 2013 at 2:23 am -      #92

    lol sorry

  93. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 17, 2013 at 2:27 am -      #93

    its cool, a lot of people who weren’t in on it did the same thing when the reveal happened. No one saw it coming.

  94. Knukails February 17, 2013 at 2:32 am -      #94

    Hahahahaha it’s a good twist.

  95. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 17, 2013 at 2:35 am -      #95

    and that’s what was so fun about it.

  96. Professor ParaLowk February 17, 2013 at 11:51 am -      #96

    Isn’t Ezio trained better at blending then the Altair. Most I remember with Alt was hiding among monks.
    “Altair was always my favriout, but i don’t get why many people love Ezio so much”

    He’s the James Bond of the Renaissance. He’s also had more development shown then the others.. Unless there an enormous amount of altair stuff I’m missing, as most I recall was some psp game.

  97. Professor ParaLowk February 17, 2013 at 11:51 am -      #97

    In addition to the console game I mean.

  98. Kytheros February 17, 2013 at 12:03 pm -      #98

    It’s arguably gameplay mechanics, but Altair (in AC1) was the only one who could go incognito without a crowd to do it in.
    He only needed to blend with monks/scholars to get past guardposts/lines/gates, but otherwise he could solo blend/urban stealth. Ezio and Connor both required crowds to blend/urban stealth.
    While Assassin’s Creed: Revelations was primarily centered on Ezio, Ezio (and thus Desmond) experienced Animus-style memory flashbacks to Altair, by way of the Massyaf(sp?) Keys.

  99. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 17, 2013 at 3:42 pm -      #99

    I think Altair blending with the monks was due to his hood, only Al Mualim didn’t have a white robe which all monks in the land seemed to wear, so walking in a cluster of monks Altair could hide when being chased.
    He didn’t need to hide as much otherwise because it was a war and seeing someone walking around with weapons and a hood up wasn’t as suspicious. Altair also wasn’t a known and wanted fugitive after each assassination so it was unnecessary for him to deal with something like hiding in any group.
    Ezio was more in the public eye, but his clothes were also less monk like and more nobleman like, whats the best way to hide a nobleman, in a crowd of sexy courtesans who not only distract the eyes of guards but a single eligible wealthy bachelor noble would have around him because nobles were the billionaire playboys when not married. All Ezio had to do was pull a Bruce Wayne to blend in “Oh don’t mind me just a rich dude with hot chicks bout to go back to my place and get to know them, if ya know what I mean wink wink nudge nudge, no need to think about where you think you’ve seen me before”
    And Connor, well his outfit somewhat blended in with that of the soldiers so he just blended into the background easily. Just another young settler joined up in the army to fight for freedom. And it somewhat fit the style of the time like Ezio’s anyway.
    Altair is the only one who’s clothes couldn’t be waved off by a guard as just some schmuck with a hood so he couldn’t blend.

  100. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 17, 2013 at 4:12 pm -      #100

    Also since Juno at the end of 3 is free I’m going to say in the next game if there is one the main modern characters will be a team of five Assassins with Attitude. Brought together by alien mentor Jupiter to stop her and her plan to conquer earth.

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