The Dark Knight Rises Vs The Avengers

The Dark Knight Rises Vs The Avengers

Suggested by PeteSkizzle

(Admin’s Note: I really like this idea to discuss the movies themselves compared to the characters within)

Both were the top superhero movies of 2012.

Compare them in Tone, Character Development, Plot, Action, etc etc and finally Overall.

Which one was the best?

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68 Comments on "The Dark Knight Rises Vs The Avengers"

  1. PwNaGE TraiN February 11, 2013 at 7:56 am -      #1

    Dark Knight Rises: Best movie of the year, Christopher Nolan nailed this film. I admit not as good as the second one though.

  2. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 11, 2013 at 8:29 am -      #2

    Well right off the bet Avengers definitely crushed Dark Knight Rises in the action catagory.
    Character development……tricky. Dark Knight Rises had good development for Batman, and okay for Catwoman, Robin was interesting. But at the end Bane, who has had so much build up as Batmans ultimate foe…..turns into stocky thug number 1 the background character and gets shot abruptly by Catwoman. Avengers, we got to see Thor evolve a bit more from his lessons in his movie take another step towards being earths guardian. We see the final fall of Tony Stark self absorbed billionaire and the rise of Tony Stark hero and Avenger begins. Cap….didn’t get much more characterization but they were likely saving it for the Winter Soldier movie. Hulk/Banner evolve a bit. Loki goes from just wanting approval and the throne of Asgard to wanting all the Realms in his iron fist. So overall Avengers did a bit better in that department.
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    Plot is sticky as well because they are different kind of movies telling vastly different stories in different ways. Dark Knight Rises is the story of Bruce Wayne learning to move on and ending his Batman career while Batman becomes the symbol Bruce wanted him to be all along.
    Avengers is another step in the Marvel movieverses dawn of heroes, the day the scattered warriors step on the road to becoming the defenders of an entire world not as seperate entities but as a single group working together and that will one day stand united to fight as one till the bitter end.
    DKR is a milder coaster that has less steep climbs and more sudden turns. Avengers is sharp rises and falls in excitement paced by an engaging ride. Both are fun engaging and enjoyable in their own way so its hard to compare or say which had a superior plot, especially when Avengers is an ongoing plot with more secrets to be revealed. Personally its Avengers for me but Dark Knight Rises was also brilliant.
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    Overall…..I think Avengers was better. It set the stage for something grander, it did something new, it brought the heroes of different movies together while letting them retain their individual characteristics. Dark Knight Rises was great but it was just the closing of another trilogy so Batman could be rebooted yet again. Avengers set a bar for future superhero team up movies. Dark Knight Rises was good, great even, but it didn’t push the bar like the Dark Knight did. It didn’t have that moment or character that really just eblazoned itself in the minds eye like the Dark Knight did, like the Avengers did. Of cousrse this is all my opinion but still

  3. PwNaGE TraiN February 11, 2013 at 8:50 am -      #3

    @The Guardian in the TARDIS
    ” It set the stage for something grander”
    Then again The Dark Knight Rises wasn’t really supposed to set the stage because it was the last movie of the trilogy. It was supposed to finish off the epic trilogy of Bruce and Batman. And there were really really different goals with the movies. The Dark Knight Rises really isn’t supposed to be a action movie. sure it has its action moments, but it is more of a thriller, or I have even heard that it is called a drama. But the Avengers was most definitely an action film. I have to disagree with you in the character development section. Sure everyone in the avengers had their super hero moment but it had to split its time up among all the superheros not just a few characters in the Dark Knight. I thought the Character development was really well done in the Dark Knight. I thought they were able to spend more time with each character in the Dark Knight making the character development a little better.
    And you were exactly right about the plot well said.

  4. The Expert February 11, 2013 at 8:59 am -      #4

    Dark Knight was a wayyyy better then i expected the way tom hardy protrayed was so Professinal P.S the avengers sorta sucked

  5. PwNaGE TraiN February 11, 2013 at 9:07 am -      #5

    @The Expert
    I think we would get along quite well.

  6. Gluttonous-Behemoth February 11, 2013 at 9:14 am -      #6

    Absolutely no mention of the Joker by name kinda killed it. I imagine it was done to respect Ledger, but it really is too bad that such a spectacular performance couldn’t even particularly be appreciated in its very aftermath.
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    The Red Herring with Bane and Talia was pretty clever, it was a twist that I’d never thought about thinking about happening, but still I thought Bane’s subsequent demotion to Champion Mook status and going out like a punk was kinda weak. Overall the Red Herring didn’t sit all that great with me.
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    Otherwise…Well, I think the Pittsburgh Dad said it pretty good. For a Batman movie, there’s surprisingly less Bat Man then you might think imagine there would be.
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    And Batman quit. Somehow that just sounds wrong to say. Like Galactus went Vegan.

  7. Tails111 February 11, 2013 at 9:20 am -      #7

    I preffered Avengers myself.

    Dark Knight Rises was more of a plot-based film, but otherwise, I would call Avengers the better film character and action wise.

    Also, Avengers was tons more fun. The best time I’ve ever had at the theater. I cheered every few minutes, and dat end credit scene.

  8. Gluttonous-Behemoth February 11, 2013 at 9:27 am -      #8

    “Puny God.”
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    That is all.

  9. An English Dragon February 11, 2013 at 9:33 am -      #9

    I’m one of the few people in existence who really liked Bane, even when he turned out to be a henchman… dat voice.

    But still, the Avengers is better in every way, even if it has nothing as gloriously stupid but AWESOME as the bat-burning-bridge.

  10. itcheyness February 11, 2013 at 9:40 am -      #10

    Batman’s eight pack a day voice made me completely unable to take him seriously. Although Bane was amazing, he couldn’t make up for it. Avengers is by far the better movie.

  11. The Expert February 11, 2013 at 9:40 am -      #11

    The avengers movie was short and rediculous

  12. Tails111 February 11, 2013 at 9:49 am -      #12

    @The Expert

    But it was awesome! The box office says so!

  13. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 11, 2013 at 10:02 am -      #13

    As GB said I felt a mention of Joker would have been nice. Maybe Gordon could have said “We recently dealt with and put to death a clown in a purple suit who terrorized the city and you think a secret underground terrorist in a mask is impossible? What kind of dumbass are you?”

  14. ptaine February 11, 2013 at 10:26 am -      #14

    Overall The Avengers was the better movie. There were no real great plot twists and not a whole lot of character development especially in the case of Black Widow and Hawkeye, but the action was so spectacularly cool that it makes up for what’s lacking in the other two. Two scenes stuck out to me in the badass department, well three really, I like a good fight scene and Black Widow’s “interrogation” at the beginning was pretty awesome, the same when she fought Hawkeye when he was under Loki’s spell. The best one though was Thor and Ironman with Captain America trotting in at the end. Mixing the humor and the action was just really well done and the fact that it was a mindless action flick and that’s all it tried to be just makes the Avengers the overall better movie.
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    As for The Dark Knight Rises. I liked Bane, I liked Tom Hardy’s performance a hell of a lot better than Ledger’s Joker. I never thought that Ledger did a bad job, but I also didn’t think he was as spectacular as everyone says. That being said I’ve also never had a problem with Bale’s voice as Batman which apparently a lot of people do so I guess that stuff just comes down to personal preference. One of the things I did not like, though, was the “twist” of Ra’s Al Ghul’s kid. It just didn’t seem earned to me and it seemed to come out of nowhere. I was talking to some friends about it and they basically said that those that have read the comics and/or follow the movie would have known the true nature of the character and looking back at the plot it makes more sense certainly, but it just didn’t seem like there were any hints in the movie. The whole police thing was incredibly stupid as well. Seriously, let’s send the ENTIRE police force into the sewers to look for this guy and his minions. Taking control of a city is pretty damn farfetched in general, and Nolan did a decent enough job of making the threat real enough to make it possible, but the cop thing just made it completely ridiculous even though it was needed for the general mayhem that ensued.
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    And I think therein lies the difference in the movies, The Dark Knight Rises didn’t live up to its potential and The Avengers did.

  15. itcheyness February 11, 2013 at 10:35 am -      #15

    “The avengers movie was short and rediculous”
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    Sorry, taking time when a nuke is counting down to set up an elaborate and burning batman symbol wasn’t ridiculous? Having Batman give up crime fighting and mope around his house for like the first half hour of the movie wasn’t ridiculous? Bane going out like a chump without even a real death scene wasn’t ridiculous? Completely ignoring the Joker wasn’t ridiculous?
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    Don’t get me wrong, it was a decent movie, but it wasn’t as good as the Avengers.
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    Now, if this were the entire Dark knight Saga vs all of The Avengers movies that’s an easy win for The Dark Knight Saga.

  16. itcheyness February 11, 2013 at 10:45 am -      #16

    I also forgot about the big fight scene at the end between the cops and the mercenaries. The cops just march up the street in a mass group and shoot at the mercs, who proceed to fire a few shots and then charge down and turn it into a giant fist fight the stupidest scene in the entire movie, by far.

  17. AkumaTh February 11, 2013 at 11:07 am -      #17

    Since I haven’t seen the DKR and was forced to see the Avengers, my judgement will be solely based on the the following videos…
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    Honest Trailers
    Avengers
    The Dark Knight Rises
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    Everything Wrong With…
    The Avengers
    The Dark Knight Rises
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    How it Should Have Ended
    Avengers
    Avengers Bonus
    Dark Knight Rises
    Dark Knight Rises Bonus
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    I think Avengers won. While they do have five movies to worry about, none of that mattered when you got the concept of all of them meeting up being the main reason to see this movie. Because being the end of a Trilogy, DKR couldn’t get away with the mistakes and issues it does have.

  18. Crimson Sentry February 11, 2013 at 11:25 am -      #18

    Am I the only one who thought both movies were a little meh?

    If they were going to make bane into a Sean Connery from wherever the hell country the pit is in, ;why not just make up your own character instead of ruining a character who has been pre-established in DC lore for have a century. I like what they did with the Joker though because they didn’t change his archetype, they just made him darker, with Bane he was only similar in name and baldness.
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    And I think that there should should have been a bit more of a struggle in the avengers. the final fight only lasted like 15-20min. I felt like there was hardly any build up.
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    Anyway, I’m done spewing my crap lol (both movies were severely over-hyped) I’d have to say batman was better due to due to much better character development and realism with characters besides bane. because honestly Thor in the avengers could’ve taken all the skitarri by himself easily if they use a canon version of him.

  19. Crimson Sentry February 11, 2013 at 11:30 am -      #19

    @itchyness I agree though brother its actually hard for me to decide which is better because I felt they were both terrible

  20. Tails111 February 11, 2013 at 11:55 am -      #20

    @Crimson

    Terrible? Thats kinda strong! Compared to films like Jack and Jill or Bucky Larson, or The Room, these two films were oscar-worthy.

  21. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 11, 2013 at 11:57 am -      #21

    There were some non realistic aspects to Dark Knight as well, most covered by Itcheyness. But another would be a city not believing the guy who got shot that theres a terrorist under the city only 8 years after a psycho in a purple suit and clown makeup terrorized the city. that is something that changes how a city reacts to potential threats especially a large city like Gotham. Security would have been higher and they would have taken Gordon seriously when that happened.

  22. Chuck inglish February 11, 2013 at 12:34 pm -      #22
  23. The Expert February 11, 2013 at 12:37 pm -      #23

    They both had terrible scences but they aren’t terrible
    on a scale to 1-10 i say The Dark Knight rises a 8
    and avengers gets a 6. bad but not terrible

  24. Murder February 11, 2013 at 12:41 pm -      #24

    I would have said TDKR a few months ago, but after watching it again I realized it’s more of a ‘watch it once’ kind of movie. Out of all the villians in the super hero genre, Bane has become my favorite. The Joker was good, but Bane scared the hell out of me with his predatory intellect. Loki and his army were a huge disappointment, but it’s not a big deal because we all know it was just a team origins story. We get to see the real badguy next movie and it will not be Thanos. Oh yea, he’ll be there, but I believe we will see an unleashed Hulk that puts down Thanos and at a huge cost that makes him the greatest danger to life on Earth. Can we get a Planet Hulk movie please, please, please!

  25. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 11, 2013 at 12:52 pm -      #25

    I have to agree with Murder on Bane, the guy had a presence, he made you dread the idea of encountering him. The way he stalked Batman and then just brutally demolished him like a Grizzly bear slaughtering a deer was the kind of thing a good villain in a super hero movie should do. Which made it worse when he went out like a bitch. I wanted to see Batman and him beat the bloody crap out of each other in round two, I wanted Batman to win, but not that easily. It felt….lacking.
    And while I don’t feel Loki was a let down, like Murder said, it’s the opening act of something very epic it was establishing the true threat, Thanos, and also establishing the team and bringing them closer to truly being the Avengers. I think we’ll see more of that as the solo series and next Avengers movie comes closer.
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    Also, big plot hole, how the fuck did Bruce Wayne get back to Gotham, he was broke as shit, no identification or passports, and yet gets back to America. How? Would it have added that much time to the movie to show him finding and stealing a private jet? Or stealing some money for a plane ticket? Or however he managed to get home.

  26. The Expert February 11, 2013 at 12:59 pm -      #26

    The scene where bane broke batmans back was just amazing tom hardy im my book is one of the best actors ever

  27. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 11, 2013 at 1:03 pm -      #27

    don’t know about best actor ever but he did a good job.
    While they did change Bane from the comics he still does have ties to the comic character, both were in hellish prisons, both were tactically minded and figured out Batman’s identity, both completely and utterly broke Batman. While they went for more realistic Bane it’s not like they did what Batman and Robin did to him, now that was nothing like comic Bane *shudders*

  28. The Expert 2 February 11, 2013 at 1:06 pm -      #28

    I agree with the expert i also enjoy the batman rising

  29. Amm0vamp1r3 February 11, 2013 at 1:17 pm -      #29

    I liked Avengers better why I don’t really know,Not saying Batman was bad just the fact that Batman was an ending movie and Avengers was an opener for a franchise makes it that way for me
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    But over all Bane was a good character but I didn’t really like the fact that they made him different from his actual character,The voice mainly
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    Catwomen was alright,no qualms really about her
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    The ending was stereotypical how alfred looked up and saw bruce but it was good made you feel something
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    Avengers I liked it, the enemies weren’t really that well developed or explained imo,I still don’t really know who there were.
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    The Hulk just learning to control his power like that was crazy
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    But other than that I had no problems

  30. The Expert February 11, 2013 at 1:18 pm -      #30

    IMPOSTER!

  31. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 11, 2013 at 1:21 pm -      #31

    @Amm0
    Again Bane while different was truer to the comics than Batman and Robin Bane. In that he was a cunning vicious warrior capable of matching and beating Batman who came from a violent prison. Overall circumstances were different but with the more realistic setting they did good.
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    I think the Banner learning to Hulk at will was a lead in to how at some points in the comics (though not anymore) Banner and Hulk have more of a partnership and can freely shift back and forth, being more ammicable. Kind of like in the Earths Mightiest Heroes cartoon. Hopefully this means Hulk will get some character development next time we see him.

  32. The Expert 2 February 11, 2013 at 1:23 pm -      #32

    I like them both Amm0vamp1r3 so no need to worrie; Who you calling imposter dick

  33. Amm0vamp1r3 February 11, 2013 at 1:31 pm -      #33

    @G.A
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    Im talking about the voice mostly I thought he was hispanic,also I know they couldn’t make him as comically big and I feel they did a great job by making him look real.
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    Bane was cunning.craft,caused you to fear him if he was real, Ruthless yea thats not a problem. I thought it was great.
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    The Old Bane
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    www.operacionmandril.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/bane_batman_and_robin.jpg
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    New Bane
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    www.nina-a.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/the_dark_knight_rises_bane_6_by_messenjahmatt.jpg
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    Comic Bane
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    www.beyondhollywood.com/uploads/2011/07/Bane-Vs.-Batman-Comic-Book.jpg
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    See the first batman and robin movie tried to make him like the comic,bad idea,can fear someone that looks so cartoonie but New Bane he was what you would expect from a real life bane. But not hispanic

  34. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 11, 2013 at 1:43 pm -      #34

    @Amm0
    except Batman and Robin Bane was a mindless brute that talked less than Hulk. No cunning. He looked kind of like comic Bane, and had chemicals like comic Bane, but it was just sad.
    New Bane, may not have been Hispanic but at least he was a cunning foe actually able to match Batman.

  35. Amm0vamp1r3 February 11, 2013 at 1:46 pm -      #35

    @G.A
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    Yea Batman and Robin bane was an awful portrayal of Bane no debate needed
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    Another problem I had not a problem just something that made me Lol like wtf. Talia al Ghuls death it was so……bad . It was so instant lol

  36. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 11, 2013 at 1:53 pm -      #36

    Yeah…..that really could have been done better. And I wish there had been more presence for her in the film. It was a great twist but…the lack of foreshadowing beyond her scar shaped like the League of Shadow logo on her back in the scene after Bruce and her have sex made it a bit sudden for a reveal.
    Especially after building up Bane as such an overwhelming foe for the vast majority of the movie. If he had…answered to someone, or we saw him occasionally hang up on a superior before turning his attention to others or if there had been a mysterious figure watching the first Bane Batman fight….the child of Rhas Al Ghul threads would have worked better. I mean every Batman fan knows unless they are fucking continuity to death there’s only ever been one child of Rhas Al Ghul, his daughter Thalia, so once they said child of…I was interested in if she was going to show up at the prison and work with Batman to take the League back from Bane and then her try and convince him or something. Instead, surprise, it’s the chick you fucked before fighting Bane.

  37. Richard Rider February 11, 2013 at 2:07 pm -      #37

    How the heck is Batman beating Thor, Hulk and Iron Man at the same time?

  38. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 11, 2013 at 2:10 pm -      #38

    @Richard Rider
    1. Talking about which movie is better in what areas and overall
    2. If this was movie Avengers vs Dark Knight Rises Batman he would get his ass handed to him so hard he would get knocked back and time and Bruce seeing the corpse of himself from the future would be too terrified to become Batman thus Batman Begins never happens thus Avengers would win.

  39. The Expert February 11, 2013 at 3:27 pm -      #39

    @The Guardian in the TARDIS
    Very descriptive

  40. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 11, 2013 at 3:38 pm -      #40

    @the Expert
    Which post?

  41. Amm0vamp1r3 February 11, 2013 at 3:43 pm -      #41

    The utter pwnage of Batman at the hands of the justice league im guessing

  42. AkumaTh February 11, 2013 at 3:52 pm -      #42

    In case my moderated post doesn’t get through, I’m going with Avengers based on three video series on youtube: Honest Trailers, What’s Wrong With, and How it Should Have Ended.
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    Also, to add, Avengers is the beginning of something bigger while the DKR was the end of the Trilogy. And when it had to follow the second movie, DKR is kind of disappointing.

  43. Nomad February 11, 2013 at 6:59 pm -      #43

    I was really let down by TDKR. However I saw the Avengers several times and bought it on blu-ray. I think my expectations were too high for TDKR. Niether are “terrible”. I think the real winners here are the movie goers.

  44. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 11, 2013 at 7:20 pm -      #44

    @Nomad
    Both were good.
    TDKR just….it wasn’t what it could have been. It was good, but it…didn’t feel like a good close to the story. Or not all of it.

  45. PeteSkizzle February 11, 2013 at 7:22 pm -      #45

    In my opinion, Dark Knight Rises crushes the Avengers in Tone, Character Development and Overall. The Tone of TDKR was real dark and nitty gritty, while Avengers was exactly what it was supposed to be- light hearted, comical, funny etc. In Character Development, nothing really changes for any of the characters. What could have been a really interesting relationship between the Widow and Hawkeye is just kind of let down… although the Catwomen/Batman relationship isn’t that great either.

    In action, obviously, the Avengers is wayy ahead of TDKR since TDKR is a thriller/drama while the Avengers is an action movie.

    Also, Bane was a much more awesome villain than Loki ever was. Sure, the end was disappointing when he ended up as a mere henchman… but still, Loki hid behind his army and “followers” most of the time and came out as an weak, arrogant prick.

    Bane, on the other hand, was freaking terrifying. He had this intelligence on him that just made his scary as fuck. And I loved his voice. Say what you want, but I thought the accent was a nice touch. Especially since he wasn’t just the average “smash bad guy” or “take over the world bad guy”, as in just white/black, but he truly believed in his ideology and he appreciated beauty when he saw it (What a beautiful voice!). Anyways, IMO TDKR wins, barely, but still wins. Avengers is still a great movie, though.

  46. ahrrhd February 11, 2013 at 7:40 pm -      #46

    Hmm..I will give Dark Knight Rises upper hand in tone, character development, and plot…But action obviously goes to the Avengers..So I guess for me, Dark Knight Rises win…The Avengers is still a great movie though..

  47. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 11, 2013 at 7:43 pm -      #47

    @PeteSkizzle
    except their tones are apples and oranges because one is meant to be a grim thriller and the other is an action adventure. It’s like comparing the Dresden Files to the Harry Potter books, the only thing they have in common is magic. All Avengers and TDKR have in common is they are “superhero movies”.
    And yeah Avengers doesn’t have any character development if you ignore Tony moving further away from spoiled selfish rich guy and more towards philanthropist hero, Thor becoming more of a protector than a smash first ask questions later type which is what his father wanted and is a continuation from his solo movie. Banner possibly (we’ll see next time he and Hulk show up) accepting the Hulk as a part of him from what we did see.
    Loki becoming a manipulative bastard more akin to his comic incarnation. Also of course Loki hid behind his army, he’s not a gladiator type he’s the trick you into destroying yourself type. He’s a chess master. He’s able to fight but he doesn’t like getting his hands dirty. You enjoyed Bane because he wasn’t your average smash bad guy, but Loki wasn’t that either, Bane was slightly more hands on is all. Loki was planning on playing Thanos to get the earth not knowing what Thanos true intentions were (or that’s what it looks like it would be).
    Not really wanting to argue about opinions but saying Loki was less awesome than Bane and then praising Bane for having similar traits to Loki is a bit odd. Both manipulated events to try and break their foes, Loki was relying on his army to finish them but he was still trying to break them. Bane just took the physical breaking in his own hands. Loki was up against what amounts to an army (since any one of the Avengers other than perhaps Hawkeye and Blackwidow are one man armies) not one man dressed like a bat, he’s not stupid enough to try and personally attack the Avengers unless he’s just backed in a wall and is about to get his ass kicked if he doesn’t. When he yelled at Hulk he was at his breaking point, he basically didn’t give a fuck anymore, and whatever the Hulk did to him wouldn’t be as bad as if he had to confront Thanos empty handed after losing not only the tesseract but one of the freaking infinity gems (the blue gem that mind rapes, don’t tell me I’m the only one who would put money on it being an infinity gem) Thanos in any continuity is easily able to match Thor in strength and without a weapon movie Loki wouldn’t have stood a chance in Hel.

  48. Aelfinn February 11, 2013 at 9:45 pm -      #48

    TDKR was ridiculous, but then so was the Avengers. You can’t just heal from a fuckin’ broken back, not to mention every plot hole that’s been pointed out on the internet the past few months. I also talked with a friend, and they were able to basically predict every twist of the movie (like how the lady would be evil once Wayne had sex with her). Not to mention that it was a bit preachy and Republican-conservative (oh no! we let the poor people become equal and they’ll just fuckin murder everyone! We use environmentally-friendly Fusion technology and terrorists will use it!)
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    The Avengers did what it set out to do, but it certainly didn’t make you think as much. And those alien-robots at the end weren’t a major threat at all. I mean scooters? Please. Any concerted effort from the U.S. would have stopped it in its tracks. From SAMs to Javelins to fighters that can hit a target from miles out, it would have been relatively easy.

  49. Gluttonous-Behemoth February 11, 2013 at 10:20 pm -      #49

    @G.A.
    Sweet Jesus, I never considered that Loki’s staff might have had a gem in it, but now it seems more or less plausible. I suppose I can’t really see Thanos loaning the things out, but I guess stranger things have happened. The scope of the staff’s power is what makes things iffy; you wouldn’t think a knock on the head could break the effects of an Infinity Gem dedicated to mind control.

  50. AkumaTh February 11, 2013 at 10:23 pm -      #50

    @GB: Maybe it was only a fraction of the power of the Mind Gem. After all, he should have the Reality Gem, which would give him the ability to twist reality. Twist it so a small sample of its power is in a rod.

  51. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 11, 2013 at 10:29 pm -      #51

    @G-B
    blue gem, mind control, as for the head conks maybe because whenever someone we saw got hit on the head Loki (the one who mind whammied them) either was miles away (Hawkeye) or not holding the staff (the scientist…can’t remember his name now) as for loaning it out Thanos want’s the whole gauntlet, the gauntlets in Asgard, Thanos gives Loki the staff and gem to take over the nine realms and all, celebrates with new king Loki in Asgard then snatches the staff kicks Loki’s ass and gets the gauntlet from the weapons vault the casket of winters and Mjolnir were in. Plus maybe Loki didn’t know how to really use it, Thanos just said here, it lets you use telepathy to control people Loki didn’t ask for more detail because that sounds simple enough, or the staff was an inhibitor.
    the mind gem is blue though images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090630000847/marveldatabase/images/e/ec/XGem.jpg
    and it might shrink to fit the gauntlet…..

  52. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 11, 2013 at 10:34 pm -      #52

    images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051203192134/marveldatabase/images/1/18/Infinity_Gems.jpg
    picture of all the gems. Mind is blue…the staff’s gem was blue and grants mind control….was given to Loki by Thanos. Unless there’s two blue mind control gems in the universe which is possible…but the Thanos connection is a bit of a give away.

  53. Gluttonous-Behemoth February 11, 2013 at 10:39 pm -      #53

    I can see it.
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    *Loki sitting on throne in Asgard royal chamber along with Thanos*
    “A toast, to our awesome mutally beneficial agreement in which neither of us have any reason to betray the other, right?”
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    *Thanos smiles*
    *Puny God x200*

  54. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 11, 2013 at 10:44 pm -      #54

    @G-B
    pretty much
    Honestly I wouldn’t put it past Thanos, the dude could teach Loki a thing or two about chess mastering.

  55. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 11, 2013 at 10:47 pm -      #55

    www.factpiletopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=43995
    I made a thread to discuss Avengers 2 stuff on the Topia a while back, perhaps we should move this discussion there before we derail this thread too much more.

  56. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 11, 2013 at 10:57 pm -      #56

    and oh crap…I just realized….in Avengers Loki had blue eyes….but back in Thor he had Green…..he wasn’t completely in his own power.

  57. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 11, 2013 at 11:15 pm -      #57

    @Akuma
    the Everything Wrong With…The Avengers link is the Honest Trailers for TDKR again.

  58. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 11, 2013 at 11:26 pm -      #58

    also while I could argue with a lot of the Avengers sins (there was a link in the dark knight rises one) I couldn’t find as much fault in the DKR one…they brought up a lot of points about the plot that don’t make sense and more of them are plot holes than in the Avengers one.

  59. Draco February 12, 2013 at 12:36 am -      #59

    I feel like the dark knight rises lacked. It had a couple incredible ridiculous and idiotic moments where I wanted to scream at the people in it.
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    Nope, let’s not worry about the armed henchmen with hostages. Let’s go capture batman with half of gothams police force!
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    Depressed batman. Nuff said.
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    Every cop in gotham, TO THE SEWERS!
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    Plus, I felt like batman’s fighting was pathetic. Sure, he was older, but seriously… every time he threw a punch he wheezed like an 80 year old trying to reach something just out of his reach. I wasnt surprised bane let him havea few hits. I would too.
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    Strange twist was strange. It wasn’t foreshadowed, built up to, or even really that important. If Al’ghul was taken out of the movie there’d have been no difference except they’d have longer to find the bomb. I felt it was just… slapped in last second.
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    Avengers was good, though I also had it’s dumb moments. But it had some good humor, action, and lovabke characters with intense moments,
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    Also, every fans dream is to see their hero’s duke it out… thought those moment were the greatest.
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    aliens weren’t all that explained, they ended up as just some mooks instead of a real threat to humanity. And they got blown up by a nuke, one nuke. And then all died. Bad, bad planning on their part. Lol.
    Note to self, do not place control mothership right next oto the portal.

  60. AkumaTh February 12, 2013 at 9:44 am -      #60

    the Everything Wrong With…The Avengers link is the Honest Trailers for TDKR again.
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    Dang it. Here is the link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2tE-BCwZtw

  61. Soulerous February 12, 2013 at 1:01 pm -      #61

    The Avengers was more fun. It was more enjoyable. It did what it was supposed to do very well. The Dark Knight Rises, on the other hand, I felt lacked emotion where it was needed. That is to say, good movies draw you in to the characters who are in peril and make you feel anxious or afraid for them. Perhaps it did that for some people, but as for myself, I never really cared what happened to Gotham, the people in it, or even Batman. Alfred and Morgan Freeman were the only ones I actually cared about.
    ~
    I knew what was going to happen. I knew Batman was going to win in the end. What mattered was what happened until then, and I saw Gotham’s people act like idiots when Bane “gave” them the city, I saw Batman’s back get broken and then get healed by a rope, and I saw him fight Bane by walking towards him while swinging his fists. Not very compelling. Where was the brilliant intellect and ninja-like tactics there?
    ~
    Overall, I did not find it compelling. It did not leave me with a mark. The Avengers, that was compelling. The best part of Dark Knight Rises was this.

  62. An English Dragon February 12, 2013 at 3:02 pm -      #62

    My local theater had a Dark Knight Trilogy marathon for the premiere of DKR, and I was all over that. Watching Batman Begins and the Dark Knight before DKR really makes DKR look lazy… and stupid… and boring. Whereas if you watched all 5 Avengers build up films right before watching the Avengers, well… IT IS AWESOME!

  63. Grim Aran February 15, 2013 at 12:29 pm -      #63

    Avengers, DKR only had Bane and a little bit of catwoman that I liked, zero fucks given about batman. While on the other hand I really like pretty much everyone important in the avengers, except captain america cause he’s an idealistic dummy. The movie also awesome action and good bits of humor. Totally deserves the slogan “Best Superhero Movie Ever”

  64. Richard Rider February 15, 2013 at 4:27 pm -      #64

    I’m back from the hospital was there for the week.

    I was joking about saying Batman was fighting the entire Avengers team (He could beat Hawkeye & Black Widow but would get owned by Captain America).

  65. Commander Cross February 15, 2013 at 4:30 pm -      #65

    @Richard Rider at #64

    Glad to see you’ve returned to have a look at the latest matches going on.

    Meantime anywho, what are the odds of us having the same kind of match-up as this one if/when that Justice League movie comes out?

  66. Motor314 March 2, 2013 at 12:25 pm -      #66

    Both movies have alot going for them and have the pros and cons.
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    it was obvious that the avengers was tailored for a more action-feel good movie, where there is not much plot and the heroes have a good load of PIS to secure victory www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZkqC4Lz8dU this says it better.
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    It was a great movie feeled with a action and plenty of violence.
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    the Dark knight rises was a very long movie, however it was a very serious dark felt movie, where order had been ripped and their was a actual threat that made everyone be on edge.
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    to see a hero being broken and then trapped in prison is a rare occurence and vastly differnt to that of the avengers.
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    Avengers-a brightly colored, bright action packed film.
    Dark knight rises- dark, intense thriller.
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    so basically it is up to the opinion of the audience. if you want a serious movie with a deep plot and mystery watch the dark knight rises, if you want a movie with little plot and insane action watch the avengers.

  67. Richard Rider June 28, 2013 at 1:40 pm -      #67

    Found this funny pic and didn’t know where to put it.
    funny-p.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/funny-Avengers-Hulk-gods.jpg

  68. Parryboy May 8, 2014 at 9:07 am -      #68

    I’m not the only one that felt sad for Alfred in the end, or am I?

    Why just not combine the two and we see Bruce and Stark throwing cash at each other

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