A smack down between two powerful beings who have proven themselves in battle many times over.
If you consider all sources of cannon, I think this match goes to Thor as he has more history to call upon to determine a winning outcome.
How do you think this ends?
I’m not really sure who would win, but I think it’s in Thor’s favour.
Well, atleast that’s who I’m gunning to win.
i would say thor,but the fleece and time stop would be a problem.
Thor will be defeated at Ragnarök by Jörmungandr not by Kratos Thor wins Kratos gets his A$$ handed to him serves at the buissness end of Mjolnir.
Thor is the basically the power of all powers.
Kratos wins IMO, rewind time and ta daaa lol also he could use blade of olympus to drain his powers
thor can do that with mjlonir,and rune thor can controll time.
Thor is a god. kratos kills gods for the hell of it.
go figure
and thor owned a god slayer,whats your point?
I dont think he really has a point…….GIVE him THE EPIC FAIL AWARD!
BLOODRUNSRED prepare to be teabagged.
Norse mythology > Greek mythology
I’ll go with the guys that don’t touch young boys… and I’ve never like Kratos.
THOR would win …finally kratos meets a god who doesnt fuk around ….sh!t thors dad would kill zeus like sh!t
Let’s see, Thor is a lesser god in the Norse Pantheon while Zeus is the main god in the greek pantheon.
So, in all factual consideration,
Kratos>Zeus>Thor.
“Let’s see, Thor is a lesser god in the Norse Pantheon while Zeus is the main god in the greek pantheon.
So, in all factual consideration,
Kratos>Zeus>Thor.”
Let me stop you right there buddy. Thor is not a lesser deity within the Norse mythology. He is the god of thunder and prince of Asgard.
In addition, much like Kratos’ own achievement in defeating Zeus, Thor collected a plethora of different skills and abilities. The most notable of these is the actual Odinpower (The mystical essence that pretty much ascends Thor to the throne of the Asgardian Pantheon), and the Runemagic that supercedes Odinpower itself. Both these elements are more than enough to defeat the Greek contestant.
@AJN
you do realize we are using marvel thor and you are talking about GOW zeus,right?
Sorry for the great delay, my mind was occupied somewhere else.
Now, first of all:
@Marche:
Whoever said that we were talking about Marvel Thor? And even if that’s the case, what’s the difference? I’ll tell you-Nothing!!
Whatever stories Marvel cooks up, Odin is still the most powerful god in the Norse Pantheon, Thor will most certainly die at Ragnarok and Kratos will still obliterate them both.
@Matapiojo:
—Let me stop you right there buddy. Thor is not a lesser deity within the Norse mythology. He is the god of thunder and prince of Asgard—
This is what you said, so let me explain. By the word “lesser” I did not mean that Thor is in any way comparable to a common peasant. The term “lesser” is a relative term comparing to the head of the Norse Pantheon, Odin.
Up till now, I have never, even once, witnessed any story or passage that claims that Thor is more powerful or even as powerful as Odin because if that was the case, then Thor would have been the head of the Norse pantheon and not Odin.
As generally, it is the most powerful gods that head any pantheon. Kings lead armies, not princes.
Now, according to the Ragnarok prophecy, Odin shall die by the hands of Fenrir, the bastard child of Loki. Now, to say that Zeus, the great god of the Greek pantheon cannot defeat a “relatively lesser” beast such as Fenrir, would be an insult to a great myth (Greek mythology)
Hence, we have carefully established that Odin is more powerful than Thor and Zeus is more powerful than Odin.
Therefore, the analogy,
Zeus>Odin>Thor.
Now, I really do find it hard to believe that a mortal like Kratos defeated the great Zeus, but that is what we have to roll with.
So now, putting Kratos in front of Zeus in the analogy, we get,
Kratos>Zeus>Odin>Thor.
Now any person with a relatively functioning brain will be able to see that Kratos is highest on the ladder and Thor, the lowest.
And also there’s the fact that Kratos has entered and exited the realm of the dead like a normal person enters the shopping mall.
He has the blade of Olympus that can kill a god, the golden fleece that can return any attack, be it physical or magical, Icarus’s wings that will help him chase Thor to the ends of the world, Eurayle’s head which will turn Thor into a granite statue, the backing of all the titans, and of course, the blades of Athena.
It is hence, that I proclaim, without doubt, that Kratos will most certainly kick Thor’s ass.
i would like to know how that analogy applies to this match.the thor you are talking about is actual norse mythology.we are talking about marvel
first of all in hand to hand combat he would get his ass whooped.
kratos is a spartan general,that is impressive but thor has been training for thousands of years in hand to hand.
thor is also stronger(look up the midgard feat)faster(lightspeed) and he can throw his fammer FTL,now i have never seen kratos react to anything close to lightspeed,so that would be a problem.
then thier is his rune mastery…..
but ill explain that in a later post.
Again.
You are trying to make an analogy that does not apply to the characters in play. You have failed miserably by trying to mix the fictitious characters in question, to their historic mythological counterparts in a vastly realistic fashion.
You cannot make a sound argument comparing a fictitious game character’s strength to a mythological counterpart that lingered in the back of the Nordic people’s minds. The concept is simply ludicrous.
The characters in question are you beloved game protagonist, and Marvel’s Thor. We know of Kratos’ exploits fairly well in this site (it was birthed from gamers after all), but not many are aware of Thor’s exploits.
Like your precious golden child, Thor surpassed the mighty Odin in the comics. He achieved such grandiose feats as to breaking the cycle of birth and destruction of all Asgardians, re-incarnate from absolute oblivion, rematerialized Asgard onto Midgard itself, and re-awaken all his Asgardian brethren from the minds of their mortal coils.
Thor wields more power in Mjolnir than all the items you listed combined, yet this is not his strongest attribute. The prince (now king) of Asgard can easily cook up a thunderstorm that would make all the “bosses” in GoW seem like hobbies, and still that is not his strongest power.
Thor willed a goddess into nothingness. Let me say that again for the sake of everybody grasping the concept.
Thor WILLED a GODDESS into NOTHINGNESS.
Now lets see what my “half a brain” can determine. Since I was able to actually consider the facts at hand rather than formulate a highly idealistic concept just to give the edge to my favored combatant, I think I’m fairly qualified to say that Kratos will lose this match.
First of all, forgive me for losing my cool, I was highly distracted and well, insanely angry. My mouth spewed off insults without any consideration. Forgive me for that.
Now, for the actual topic,
I have to correct you again because nowhere is is specified that the debate is about Marvel’s Thor. But as it seems to be the popular opinion, I shall follow suite.
–Thor moves at the speed of light–
Sorry, you’re wrong. The myth is that Asgardian gods can travel throughout time and space in what they call “the speed of thought”, any place they can conceive, they can get into.
For the comment that Thor can WILL a person into nothingness, I’d advice you to read The Hulk vs Thor (comic) here it is clearly illustrated that an earthling like Hulk, beats Thor to a bloody pulp, with a lot of power still left in him. (there is actual blood flowing out of Thor’s nose and face.) Also, Thor deliberately goes there to stop the hulk.
So I gather that Thor’s powers only work under special circumstances. Or else he’s just a pervert who likes to get beat up.
Now, for all those saying that Thor beats his father Odin, you need to have a look at Norse lore (possibly even Marvel)
Odin didn’t just create earth but also created the dwarfs and elves looking at the lore its like he basically created the earth and a universe. Odin can destroy a Galaxy without breaking a sweat, this is Odin’s lore. Thor is highly outclassed here.
Now, Odin is bestowed with such powers because ancient man did not conceive such a destructive power. And also, he never had Marvel’s creators forcing him to limit his character’s power for the sake of balance.
Hence the analogy,
Odin>Thor.
But as no one here seems to be fond of analogies, let’s have another approach:
Kratos and Thor meet for battle. As always, Kratos utters something stupid and enrages Thor. The battle starts.
“Thor throws his hammer towards Kratos but Kratos pulls out the golden fleece and wham! Thor hit by his own hammer, that’s got to hurt!
Thor summons legions and legions of lightning but the golden fleece makes short work of them. Now it’s Kratos’ turn. Kratos whips out the Typhoon’s bane and lets go hundreds of arrows. Unfortunately, Thor is far to powerful and simply shakes off their effect. But as Thor made use of the sky, Kratos makes use of the earth. His Atlas rage throws powerful boulders Thor’s way. But they have the same effect as Typhoon’s bane. It seems that magic is useless in this game. WRONG! Kratos brings out the sword of Olympus (a sword that can slay even any god or titan)
The projectiles from this weapon are unstoppable. Once, twice, thrice, Thor is hit and crashes to the ground.
Spitting the dirt from his mouth, Thor gets up and rushes towards Kratos. He’s getting closer…closer…closer…Look at Thor’s eyes! He’s going to beat Kratos out of the universe, but wait! Kratos pulls out the head of Eurayle! Thor can’t help but look at it and…and …Hey, who put Thor’s statue in the battlefield? What did you say-That’s not a statue? That’s Thor? Oh my god (of war) we have a winner! Kratos wins! Hey look, Kratos is cutting a pair of boobs into Thor’s statue!! Ha…Ha…Ha…Ha-Oh my god, he’s seen us, run!”
If I’ve possibly offended anyone (except fan boys) I’m sincerely sorry.
before i reply,do you mean when he fought rulk?(red hulk)
also,thor didnt have rune magic with him when he was fighting rulk.
Okay, at this point I must admit that I know next to nothing about Thor’s rune magic. Tried searching it a lot but couldn’t find it. So if anyone’s got a link hidden somewhere, it’d be great help.
@marche:
It was the green hulk (as I recall)
And the comic was a relatively new one (Here, “relatively” is an important term so please, do not start bashing me immediately.) The comic takes place after the whole series where Thor takes over the world and then trades blows with Iron man.
And still I maintain that Kratos could most certainly win the fight. (Still have to hear a decent argument in Thor’s favor)
oh well the only issue i recall is when Loki used the hulk to lure Thor,then they formed the avengers.
although the only time i remember ironman and Thor fighting was when stark had thorbuster on.
All right, so that’s two instances where Thor has got beaten up by mortals. (and he also beat them up)
And to all Thor fans, please do tell me how Thor will survive a stab from the sword of Olympus and the gaze of Eurayle.
The guy may be powerful but Kratos always finds a way to kill his prey…always.
All that Thor fans can hope for is that Kratos wouldn’t be in his god form. cause if that’s so, then say Goodbye Thor.
well how fast is kratos?
also,while i dont remeber thor vs hulk,thor messed up stark.
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while he had armor that was made of the same material as his hammer.
then their was rulk,but we dont even know if he was human,plus when they were fighting you can see a plothole(but ill let you see it for yourself.)
Okay firstly,
Kratos is the son of Zeus.
This endows him with extreme strength, speed, endurance (and possibly more anger)
Now, let’s get one thing out of the way. If it were bare hand to hand combat, then Kratos would easily get pummeled by Thor. But it isn’t. Kratos has the right to use all his weapons. (Assuming that Kratos isn’t in his god form)
It is these weapons that make Kratos so powerful.
To correct many people, the golden fleece can repel projectiles as well as physical attacks. Watch the video where Kratos pwns Zeus. Zeus tries to attack Kratos with the sword of Olympus but Kratos repels it.
At this point it is clear that Thor can’t use any of his magic attacks or his physical attacks as well. Thus his immense power is effectively useless.
Then there’s the head of Eurayle (Medusa’s sister) The head has the power to turn anyone into stone. So unless Thor can fight blindly, we shall have a monument of Thor in the battlefield.
Now, Kratos has the sword of Olympus so he pretty much has the power to cut out Thor’s intestines. That, along with the fact that the blade can send out projectiles. So even if Thor’s running away, Kratos’ll hit him in the ass.
Even if by a remote chance (very, very remote), Thor manages to kill Kratos, then Kratos will just crawl out of hell, find a better weapon and kill Thor. It’s that simple.
You people are ranking the fighters on brute force. But what you fail to realize is that in an actual fight, strategy has more importance than raw power. It’s not the amount of power that Kratos has, it’s how he uses it.
One – You are parting your whole argument over Zeus>Odin. That is an ignorant statement and highly unrealistic. I don’t believe there is any true way that you can compare these two effectively with a clear superior.
Two – You must understand how intricate it is to maintain continuity in a universe as intricate as Marvel. When you clash protagonists the way you are suggesting, plot circumstances will always fall short in doing justice for one character. In both those instances, it is far more impressive for the mortals to defeat the god rather than the other way around. Therefore, the writers will make it so.
However, recent issues have had Thor defeat these two individuals with considerable ease. Again, it is mainly for plot twists in favor of the re-birth of the Thor story, but being the most recent it should be considered canon.
The first was showing Iron Man seeking out the Asgardian to play the whole “we are friends, so I demand you register” ideology. To which Thor simply obliterates Tony’s most advanced suit with a few turns of his wrists.
The second was an encounter with Rulk. Thor underestimated this being and was caught off guard and was left dazed on the moon’s surface. When Thor returned, he laid Rulk to the ground. He was only stopped from total victory by Hulk because the green beast wanted to be the one to set the record straight against the “impostor”.
Both of those being mere mortals (and his friends on top of that), the Asgardian never unleashes his full force on them. Thor is far mightier than those two characters.
He has defeated the Destroyer Armor on numerous occasions, an item makes the wielder surpass all forms of Hulk and Thor/Hulkbuster Iron Man in power. A weapon designed by the Skyfather Gods (your precious Zeus included) to stop the fourth coming of the Celestials onto earth.
Let me also explain a bit on the Odinforce, which Thor now possesses. With this power to manipulate magical energies, Odin has defeated such mighty oponents as Thanos and the Silver Surfer almost at once. He has also shown the ability to remove mortals (the entire population of earth, to be precise) onto another dimension.
This is the very power he used to recreate Asgard on Earth, as well as resurrect his entire people. He has yet to demonstrate stronger feats with this power, but I suppose it is because the writters would not have a successful book if they unleashed the full might of Thor on every issue.
Thor has also failed to demonstrate any ability using the Rune Magic after he broke the cycle of Ragnarok, but so far nothing has said that he does not have this either. Kratos would be turned to dust with this power alone, but thats neither here nor there for the time being.
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To continue on the concept of plot twists, that is exactly how Kratos is treated. Being an action/adventure game, GoW MUST rely on items. It is very unrealistic to say “Kratos used this thing to defeat this guy” and consider that to be a fair argument.
If I used that basis to say that a Star-Powered Mario can defeat Kratos easily because nothing in his game can defeat him when he has it, would you accept that statement?
Of course not.
On that same note, not only does Thor have Mjolnir, but being the wielder of the Odinforce he also has access to both Gungnir and the Odinsword. Items that surely equal the Sword of Olympus in might. So please, lets not focus on a fight that is to be determined by who has the Swiss-army knife with the most tools, but by the being that weilds said items.
You say that tactics are a deciding factor, but you failed to demonstrate any efficient tactical feat from Kratos. Thor is not a mindless grunt. He matches wits with Loki on a regular basis. All you said in favor of this “argument” was:
“At this point it is clear that Thor can’t use any of his magic attacks or his physical attacks as well. Thus his immense power is effectively useless.”
Is this because of the Golden Fleece alone? Thats funny. So this item would grant Kratos protection from mighty Mjolnir. Mind you that it would take CONSIDERABLE skill from Kratos to block all of Thor’s physical and ranged attacks. So what? What good would be an item that grants partial protection (as invulnerable as that protection might be), if the god of THUNDER can call righteous fury down from the heavens onto Kratos?
As for the medusa head, I don’t know what to tell you there. Medusa was simply defeated by a reflective shield, and in many stories all you need to do to avoid this attack is to not meet the monster’s gaze. That seems hardly something incredibly hard to do by someone as seasoned as the Asgardian, but I may give you this point as I don’t have an actual retort.
I think it hardly matters when Kratos can simply be scorched to the bone from several hundred yards away, or if followed by Odin’s example of how to use the Odinforce, be willed onto another dimension.
You don’t seem to be able to put things into perspective very well, mate. As “intelligent” as your arguments might be, your views are simply too lopsided. Most go far into the realm of ludicrous, and nowhere near a deciding factor in Kratos’ favor.
Now, watch yourself with those words.
I must admit that your post is quite detailed. Even though it is highly mistaken.
There are so many flaws in each and every point that I were to quote you again and again then I’d write a whole novel, so I’ll reside myself to referring to para numbers.
Now,
Para 1:
The only reason that I was parting from the whole Zeus>Odin was because you refused to accept it. (Though it was pretty flimsy in some areas.)
Para 2:
I don’t give a sh!t!! How Marvel maintains their continuity is a point for their writers to care about, not me! That’s the reason Superman has krypton weakness. But in a debate, we do consider this weakness. WE could say that it’s just a plot device or some other sh!t, but it isn’t. We have to debate with the info we are given. Even I could not believe that Kratos could defeat Zeus, but he does and that’s the point!!!
In DMC universe, Dante’s immortal but still, you can die in the game. So in debates do you say that Dante was killed easily. So one shot from a gun will blow his head off?
You’re confusing gameplay and actual lore. You’re denying it because it makes no sense to you, well, it doesn’t have to. Cause if we were debating on what all made sense, this site wouldn’t exist!! If that were so, then none of the characters or universes that we debate make any sense.
Para 3-10:
I’m talking about the time HULK pummeled Thor to a near death. I clearly said that it was AFTER the iron-man conflict! Who cares about Rulk, it was Hulk that beat up Thor so bad that the god was bleeding through his nose and mouth!
That was regarding Thor WILLING someone into oblivion.
As Thor doesn’t make use of his immense power during normal conflict, I have to assume that his powers work ONLY under special circumstances. I don’t care if it may destroy the “continuity” of the comics. I repeat, THAT IS NOT
Sry about that. Continuing,
THAT IS NOT MY PROBLEM!!
Saying that I should cut Thor some slack is just stupid. If the character is really great, then he doesn’t need to be cut slack.
As far as special circumstances are concerned, let me take the “special circumstance” where Kratos is the god of war. If that’s so, then it’s Goodbye Thor.
Suppose tomorrow you create a character and say that he’s immortal against all forms of magic, physical attacks, psychic attacks, etc. Then we’ll have to take your word for it!
Para 11;12:
Why the hell??? If Kratos uses his items in combat, then what the hell is the problem? Then Thor using anything on his body is also an item. So Kratos without his items would be like Thor without his hammer!
As regards to the Mario comment, well, you’ll have to post that on battle requests, this is not the time or the place to discuss that.
Mario has nothing that can defeat him in HIS GAME. How does that go to show that he’s immune to anything in other games too? Implying that is simply too ignorant.
Para 14: (I counted the “Of course not”)
Why should we debate on beings that wield the weapons and the weapons themselves? If a country is armed with a nuclear bomb, then do we debate the strength of the scientist who built it or the destructive power of the actual weapon????
Para 15:
What tactics does Kratos need to display? Does he need to show how he would pose, with the golden fleece or how gracefully he’d swing the blades of Athena?
So what if Thor has matched wits with Loki, Kratos, a mortal, has killed gods with nothing but his wit and resilience!
Para 17: (I did count my quote)
Now here you make a value judgment on the power of the golden fleece by your own perception. YOU say that the fleece can’t repel Thor’s mighty attacks. But you have no facts to backup your claims. The God of war series, however, has already proven that the fleece can repel all attacks, be it physical or magical. The fleece has repealed the sword of Olympus, that can even kill a God!!
So unless you have some concrete proof that the fleece won’t repeal Thor’s attacks, DO NOT ARGUE!
Para 18:
The point being MEDUSA was defeated by a reflective shield, NOT KRATOS. Even if Thor brought a reflective shield with him, the stone gaze would be reflected to Eurayle’s dead head, and not towards Kratos!!
Here, I’ll quote you,
“in many stories all you need to do to avoid this attack is to not meet the monster’s gaze. That seems hardly something incredibly hard to do by someone as seasoned as the Asgardian.”
You have yet to explain how Thor can fight with a blindfold over his eyes. So Thor’ll send his lightning bolts in all directions while Kratos is standing behind him.
Para 20:
Once again you make a personal judgment that the fleece will not be able to repeal the Odinforce. What you utterly and completely fail to understand, is that this is NOT about your personal opinion. If you have any facts to state your claims then present them or shut up!
Also Hulk vs Thor example that Odinforce is a special circumstance. And special circumstances don’t count.
Para 21:
For each of my claims, I can present facts. You, however, are relying solely on your “opinion”
If in an actual debate you say that in YOUR opinion something cannot happen, people will laugh at you and boo you off the stage. So a piece of advice, in a debate, leave your way back at the house and not on the actual stage.
A minor point here, but when does Kratos ever show anything resembling wit?
Pummeling people does not require wit, nor does hitting them with progressively larger things until they die.
Thor wins here. He is stronger, he has the strength of a god Before he puts on the belt. after that he has more strength. His weapons are more powerful, created, as they are, by mightier beings. That Odin is stronger than Zeus is easy to explain.
Odin was a warrior, a seer, the father of all gods and a leader. Zeus was a father figure, an authority figure, and a lustful halfwit at times. if it came to blows, Odin would be victorious.
Kratos kills gods on a regular basis. Thor defeats them on a regular basis.
Thor gets beaten by mortals, so does kratos.
If you’re stating that any enemy can be beaten by the gaze of the gorgon, then why doesn’t kratos just use it on everyone? At best it freezes many enemies, letting you attack and try to destroy them before they break free of the stone shell.
The Golden fleece is no more a decided than the Mjolnir. Yes, very difficult to break weapons can be used to stop blows.
In the end it comes down, as all these do, to who has more experience, and Thors been fighting overly powerful people a lot longer.
I say Kratos has met a god that he can’t defeat. But Thor can’t get the upper hand on Kratos either. It’s a draw.
AJN, your main argument (if you can call it that), it that if a character is able to be beaten in a circumstance that is ultimately a plot device, we have to take that as the limit of power. Hardly; the absolute maximum something has been portrayed is what it should be used because in that case it is least limited by plot and associated circumstances.
It all falls apart from there….
@Alpha,
look at the comment above you. Jwlynas has asked why does Kratos not simply display the head of Eurayle all the time? That’s the same as Thor being able to WILL someone into oblivion. They simply don’t do it on a regular basis.
And using the head of Eurayle is a gameplay choice. I can choose to complete god of war using the head of Eurayle, as MY gameplay choice.
Now if you wish to compare the absolute maximum powers of each warrior then it is likely that Kratos comes to the fight with all his god powers, the power to control time and also all the items from GOW 1&2.
If that’s your point then state it so I can rebut it properly.
As regards to the “immense” Odin power, Kratos did actually WILL an entire army into oblivion when he was a god. So if you’re considering the mamimum powers then they both cancel each other out. Also, then Kratos would be the god of war, along with having the power to control time, so say hello to tens of God of wars fighting the lone Thor. Once again, utter pwnage.
Now, all that I’m getting are contracting opinions.
One guy says that I should consider the Thor of ancient lore,
Another guy says that I should consider Marvel Thor,
Another guy says that I should consider comic continuity,
Another guy says that I should consider the absolute maximum powers of both individuals.
Seriously guys, make up your mind. (Boy, marvel has seriously messed Thor up)
But Marvel has actually made it clear that the Thor in the lore and comics is not the real Thor. According to them, the gods have already died at ragnarok, including Odin and Thor. (It’s something about the old Thor having red hair and something)
@Jwlynas:
Of course, Kratos has no wit whatsoever, someone whispers in his ears and tells him how to defeat bosses and solve puzzles. Is that it?
And if you’re subtlety saying that Thor will be impervious to the gorgon gaze then let me stop you there so that you don’t sink any further. Even gods are not immune to the gorgon gaze. That is considering the gaze in GOW, cause in the myth, the gorgon gaze freezes everything instantly. And once they’re frozen, they can’t revert back.
Now, why the hell are you guys making value judgments? Saying that the fleece will not be able to repeal the Odinforce is a value judgment. So unless you have actual proof that the fleece cannot repeal the Odinforce, please, don’t blabber about it. I can post a huge essay on the topic but all you really have to do is look at the debate MC vs Kratos and read L-W’s comments. (Where is he, Btw?)
If ur too lazy, here’s the link:
www.factpile.com/archives/258
The fact is that GOW universe clearly states that the Golden fleece can deflect projectiles and magic, no matter how powerful they are. Marvel universe makes no such declarations.
The Blade of Olympus can kill a god, no matter their power. Again, no declaration by Marvel that Thor can repeal any such weapon.
The gorgon gaze can freeze anyone. And again, no declaration by Marvel.
So once again, if you’re attempting at a decent argument, please present the facts and not your personal opinions.
Oi….
The point was reached where I would be arguing with a Fanboy that bases most of his arguments in pure conjecture and circumstance. Much, if not all, of your rebukes are based on simple game mechanics rather than possible canon.
Its pretty basic. You cannot recognize storytelling points designed to further a plot ahead, from general concepts and canon. Like many other arguments with fanatics, I will just stop and let others decide by what has already been posted.
One thing stood out to me that I feel needs to be addressed, though.
“As regards to the Mario comment, well, you’ll have to post that on battle requests, this is not the time or the place to discuss that.
Mario has nothing that can defeat him in HIS GAME. How does that go to show that he’s immune to anything in other games too? Implying that is simply too ignorant.”
I stated a point in comparison. How is Mario having a Star-power any different from the Golden Fleece wielded by Kratos? Your entire post just imploded onto itself. Why? Let me repeat your quote:
“How does that go to show that he’s immune to anything in other games too?”
See what happened there?
I can (and will upon request) retort to everything you just posted with a hammer of pure logic, but there simply is no point to it if you are just gonna cling to the -Kratos is best- line of argument.
You get kudos points for trying, though.
i would just like to add the fact that thor has the ability to control time with rune magic,he also has the ability to warp him to another dimension,and can spawn massive fissures(country spanning) because he can control the earth.
@Mata:
I’d just like to that you……
you……
you…..
(I’m sorry, I’m not used to this)
You’re absolutely right.
I made a horrendous mistake and you were right in promptly beating me down with a spiked stick. And here I shall concede my argument.
well at least you admitted it and you get respect in my book.
but now we can declare thor the winner.
“only the matches that have fair representation on both sides and comments without flaming insults will qualify for the award, and the winner needs to have a nomination as well to qualify.”
AJN put up a pretty good fight,no one shot flaming comments, and the nomination…
i nominate thor.
now if we are done we can slap the Factpile award on thor.
Aye, great exchange.
I second the motion.
Wanna know how this turns out?
Go play a God of War game :p
Meh, the Greek mythological counterparts to the gods that Kratos fought could whoop him easily. Games seem to take the term
“immortal”
and convert it to “uber strong”
Only thing that beats zeus is a seduction from hera ^^ and even that only lasts so long.
@Battra Boy
i havent seen the gods besides ares and zues in action,but im pretty sure he would own the entire pantheon with the almighty power that is the odinforce (mjolnir too ofc.)
I think a STar Wars moment would happen here Thor’s overconfidence would be his downfall just like everyone underestimates Kratos.
Kratos Wins and even if Thor manages to somehow kill him it would be nothing to crawl back out of the grave as he has done 3 times before Zeus/Charon/Atlas and then go back in time and kill thor like he did with Zeus only no help comes
Wow!
why didn’t we think of those arguments before!
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How do you purpose he finds asgard?
and i doubt kratos can do it everytime,Gaia had to save him in GOW II(2)
Im pretty sure if a mortal can break through the Rock suit in the game Im pretty sure a GOD can break it without shaking the analog stick
Superman ,….. END
I third the nomination for Thor.
Thor FTW! I don’t think I need to add anything else to what’s already been said, except this: Thor has millions of years of experience! He’s watched stars collapse and die! Kratos is an infant god in comparison.
I fourth the nomination for Odinsson!
I would have to agree that Thor would win here. Although Kratos is a killing machine and would definately give Thor a hell of a fight, he would lose to the fact that Thor has way more experience.
Although Kratos has fought and killed many deities in greek myths, Thor has fought a plethora of foes that Kratos has yet to compare to such as Hulk, Iron Man, the Destroyer, Loki, Dr. Doom, Hyperion, Gladiator, Sentry, the Midgard Serpent, Mangog, the Celestials, Silver Surfer, Thanos, Mr. Hyde, Galactus, Hercules, Ares, Zeus, the Eternals, Godzilla, Conan the Barbarian, Fafnir, the High Evolutionary, Magneto, etc.
Plus Thor, unlike Kratos, has never been killed various times by his foes but was only defeated at his worst. Kratos would put up a hell of a fight but Thor takes this due to having way more experience.
i have to give it to kratos on this one. and its not even for their sheer offensive power between the 2. kratos has the fleece. nothing that thor can throw at him cant be thrown right back. projectile magic on even skyfather god level has been shown to be repulsed by the fleece. there is nothing there. kratos’ wings of icarus allow him to fly with thor and hermes boots allow him a speed comparison.
kratos’ strength has also been shown to comparatively surpass thor’s if anything. threw the entire collosus of rhodes of him with one hand. and resisted the might of the great titan atlas. not the mention the brutal fighting skill that comes from being leader of the spartan military. he has shown the raw fighting skill even when unarmed to be able to handle the greatest warrior’s of greek myth. herecules and persus both were established warriors of their time. of incredible power. and still he trumped them brutally
magics. Kratos has aquired the greatest powers of the gods themselves. the gorgon’s gaze. the lightning of zeus himself. and the blades of chaos/athena/exile have proven to be epicly powerful weapons as well as the mighty blade of olympus. the atlas quake can be argued to be controlled brute strength. but still has limited control over the force of earth. and of course we cannot go without mentioning his rage modes. rage of the titans. rage of the gods. the rage of sparta. also there are his numerous soul sommoning techniques.
range. kratos has also proven to be a skileld distance fighter. archery is yet another thing he excels at. be the projectiles bolts of lightniong, wind, or fire, he has refused go down and his aim is seconf to none. several of his meleeweapons also have considerable range. the blades of exile have been shown to cross considerable distances and still forcefully impale opponents. similar with the claws of hades, which mind you, can pull out the sould of their opponents. this could be very useful to kratos when combating thor.
Lastly, melee. Kratos has proven time and time again superior in hand to hand combat. he was able to keep on par with the god of war (presumably the most powerful combatant on olympus outside of zeus) and in serveral cases even excel him in combat. he has been shown countless times to master new weapons after as little as a single battle with them. this not only establishes his versatility as a combatant, but also proves he wont exactly be new to the idea of turning thors great hammer against its owner. there is also the x factor. ruthlessness. thor’s view of things has to be slightly modified for this fight. thor will kill consistantly when made to make the choice. Kratos, however, practically kills for the pleasure of it. Thor runs a policy of go with every shot being a potential killshot. so far it has served him relatively well. Kratos has been shown to fight with several different strategies at once. making stronger opponents fall back on their brtue force to destabilize the ground around them, or flying opponents forced to go for aerial attacks that will be (thanks to the fleece) thrown right back at them. he is impressive in that he can give 110% to the battle, making every shot potentially lethal, and still be setting up the enemy for a fall.
true, thor has millenia of experience that kratos does not. but so did the titans and the olympians when they were respectively cut down. there is a flaw in having thousands of years of experience. you lose adaptivity. centuries of experience have crafted a supposedly “unbeatable style” that becomes a rut for those whom use it. Kratos, however, still has his adaptability in spades. his weapons are constantly changeing and so must his style. he has been given every weapon imaginable and thus knows the style’s that accompeny it. thor on the other hand, has always used his hammer. his moves arewith his hammer and without and thus he lacks the versatility. Thor falls to the same things that befell the greek gods. his vast experience has brought him to be comfortable with the same style for every opponent. kratos is used to evolution, and that will carry him to victory in this fight.
My eyes bleed from that mess above me
addmittedly a bit sloppy, and probably could have been better worded at some points, but i stand by it none the less
what is your opinion laharl? you dont seem to have participated in the fight so far so i am eager to hear your opinion
kratos’ strength has also been shown to comparatively surpass thor’s if anything. threw the entire collosus of rhodes of him with one hand. and resisted the might of the great titan atlas.
Thor towing an Island
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Closing a fissure on loki
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narrator states his punch could shatter a small mountian
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pulling the midgard serpent away from earth
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“true, thor has millenia of experience that kratos does not. but so did the titans and the olympians when they were respectively cut down. there is a flaw in having thousands of years of experience. you lose adaptivity.”
Yeah, its hard to lose adaptability when the universe your in is Marvel.
“but also proves he wont exactly be new to the idea of turning thors great hammer against its owner.”
Iirc you need to be worthy or in a place without gravity to even lift it. Also Kratos grip would have to be stronger then a blackhole.
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“magics. Kratos has aquired the greatest powers of the gods themselves. the gorgon’s gaze. the lightning of zeus himself. and the blades of chaos/athena/exile have proven to be epicly powerful weapons as well as the mighty blade of olympus. the atlas quake can be argued to be controlled brute strength. but still has limited control over the force of earth. and of course we cannot go without mentioning his rage modes. rage of the titans. rage of the gods. the rage of sparta. also there are his numerous soul sommoning techniques.”
360 Blast
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Thor’s hammer is like a swiss army knife of superpowers
Acts as a shield
laser vision
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Mjolnir’s also repelled a blast from Odin’s spear
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negate mystical energy
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hammer can asborb energy and return it back stronger
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magnatism
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earthquakes
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I found some other stuff but I’m a bit sick of Thor for right now.
I think it would be a long and tough fight, but in the end Kratos is getting a new toy.
“I think it would be a long and tough fight, but in the end Kratos is getting a new toy.”
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Nah, Thor either flies or throws Kratos into space to forever float alone.
I think Kratos’ best bet is to cut his own scalp off and put it down the front of his pants. Just live his last few seconds as a drooling and bloody invalid.
Kratos vs Thor?
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When did this happen?????
I’m surprised this one was left relatively untouched.
Along with a few other Kratos vs. threads
I’ll vote for Thor. Kratos is tough, but I think Thor can manage him.
just a question:
isn´t base zeus equal to base odin
for one i remember zeus WTF pwned thor
and isn´thercules tad bit stonrger then thor in HtH? all marvel no gow…
… besides +1 fpa for = thor is to fast to strong and mjolnir is overkill …
only chance kratos would have
may the blade of olympus but he lacks speed and reaction time …
Thor is easily above something like the Blade of Olympus, what’s its best feat? Stabbing Gods? You’d be hrd pressed to prove it could even bruise Thor.
“Thor is easily above something like the Blade of Olympus”
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i wouldt say that
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i ´m not going to proof anything since i don´t see kratos winning anyway …
so i just go by simple logic (yeah i know i shouldn´t do that but whatever … )
so the blade of olympus able to hurt and kill gods (at least in GOWverse) it also has the ability to weaken gods … seeing in gow how it drained kratos own powers
it is also a god made weapon so we could assume it can withstand the heaviest blows (like marvel hercs golden mace withstood blows of mjolnir) and with enough power behind it wound the likes of thor…
so what i want to tell … me thinks the weapon itself is usefull enough to do damage to thor … so it really comes to kratos himself to bring the blows nessesary to so … and that´s what i simply don´t see him doing …
if marvel herc had the weapon he might more likely wound or even kill thor …
… and yeah this is assumtion rather then proof …
i just wanted to throw it out …
exept in gow the gos are pussys. not even comparible to thier marvel counterparts
“exept in gow the gos are pussys. not even comparible to thier marvel counterparts”
*shrugs*
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still we cant say that the weapons themselves won´t do nothing
for one we don´t know what they are made of ( adamant, stee, just bronze, or materialized godpower energy?) …
i am going even so far that kratos blades of athena might be able to do some damage … but problem is
similar to metroid weaponoutputs
we have nothing we could realy work with … so i say the blades of athena and the balde of olympus MAY do damage … it´s just that kratos himself won´t be able to deliver it …
Well let’s see Kratos try to dodge a Mjolnir attack. Thor overpowers him in any way possible, IMO.
So I’m guessing mrgendrons either missed this one or even he knows that Thor wins.
“Thor overpowers him in any way possible, IMO.”
… not just IYO … he simply does it …
o_O Thor wins with his eyes closed. Hulk>Thor>Dante>Kratos.
Hulk vs Thor match on here would get sooo many comments, probably top 10.
“Hulk vs Thor match on here would get sooo many comments, probably top 10.”
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RKT vs WWH or WBH … ?
… but i don´t know … it´s may not bad but
… meh it doesn´t grap me that much …
whos RKT?
rune king thor
the other stand
for worldwar hulk or worldbreaker hulk
ahhh well in that case WB, that would be an epic match though.
“for worldwar hulk or worldbreaker hulk”
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Pretty sure there the same. I think worldbreaker is just a what they call that variation or how they define WWH.
I think the official tile for them was Green Scar wasn’t it?
No, WWH is the hulk that fought in the WWH series he was angered by the loss of his loved ones, during the end of the series he turned into World Breaker a much much angrier Hulk and allot more powerful. His presence was sinking the east coast, if he took a few more footsteps he would have destroyed america. World Breaker hulk was also in ‘the rampage of the worldbreaker’ story line WB busted a planet similar size to earth possibly bigger with a fist slam and the force cracked a near by planet in half – i55.tinypic.com/303bbyr.jpg -i53.tinypic.com/33vlnrr.jpg.
WWH was only capable of defeating the avengers, xmen and sentry, WB is on a whole different level. Green Scar was what the hulk was nick named on his planet during ‘planet hulk’ series.
sorry here is the second link again without the dash i53.tinypic.com/33vlnrr.jpg.
“No, WWH is the hulk that fought in the WWH series he was angered by the loss of his loved ones, during the end of the series he turned into World Breaker a much much angrier Hulk and allot more powerful.”
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I thought the hulks were labeled by mind set like Savage Hulk was savage, Gray Hulk was the business suit guy, Green Scar was the intelligent Warrior Hulk, etc.
I think the nickname of worldbreaker was due to being capable of getting that powerful and the “before I break the world” line Hulk used. He still seemed to be under the Green Scar persona.
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Also worldbreaker seems to be attached to the title of Green Scar as well.
marvel.wikia.com/Hulk_(Robert_Bruce_Banner)#Incarnations
So World War Hulk combines all the capabilities of the individual forms of Hulk together, right?
From the wiki
” Like most of Kratos’ items and weapons, the Fleece was finally destroyed when Zeus’ spirit launched a surprise attack on the Ghost of Sparta.”
The Golden Fleece is out.
AJN keeps saying that Zeus is stronger than Odin. Bullshit. The GoW gods are pathetic versions of the original gods. The God of War was killed with a bridge. The god of the ocean was punched to death. They are not accurate portrayals at all.
Kratos is just a pissed off asshole with enormous amounts of luck and plot shielding. That is why he didn’t die in the first game. Thor wins, plain and simple.
My extensive hatred for Kratos says Thor shows the brat how real gods fight and lays the smackdown on him.
If this is Marvel Thor, then he babyshakes. Kratos will die before he even knows what’s happening.
“I thought the hulks were labeled by mind set like Savage Hulk was savage, Gray Hulk was the business suit guy, Green Scar was the intelligent Warrior Hulk, etc.
I think the nickname of worldbreaker was due to being capable of getting that powerful and the “before I break the world” line Hulk used. He still seemed to be under the Green Scar persona.”
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Yes each persona of hulk has a different name, but he is only known as the worldbreaker when he reaches a certain state of anger (when he starts releasing gamma radiation from his body) and has immense levels of power (planet busting level). WWH is a smarter warrior type hulk, but he is only referred to as WWH when he is in his Planet hulk arena attire. The ‘Green Scar’ persona could be used but it is not specific and ranges from WWH to WB. Really different power levels, using WB would be more specific and is known to be hulks strongest, angriest form.
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“Also worldbreaker seems to be attached to the title of Green Scar as well.”
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Correct.
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“So World War Hulk combines all the capabilities of the individual forms of Hulk together, right?”
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No, WWH is actually hulks inner personality, its basically savage hulk but with heightened intellect but not to the extent of professor hulk. We know this since WWH or Green Scar has all of his memory’s of being savage hulk as he usually refers back to those times and remembers his relationships with most characters. WB hulk is pretty much WWH but he is allot more angrier to a planet busting extent.
Yeah Thor babyshakes. Hes stronger, faster, more durable, has greater RT, far greater destructive capacity, probably more versatile, etc
Thor is better than Kratos in every single way, this was a stupid match to be honest.
Thor towing an island:
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Thor closing a chasm of a “million tons of earth” with his bare hands:
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Thor’s blow quantified to shatter a small mountain:
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Thor breaking one of Silver Surfers forecefileds with a single blow:
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Thor and Hercules’ blows close a dimesnional rift
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Thor and an equal in strength trading blows and levelling a countryside:
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Thor resisting a force equal to ‘half the planet’ bearing down on him
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Thor resisting the pull of a neutron star and breaking free of it:
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Thor moving the Midgard serpent (larger than the Earth and can crush it in its grip):
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Thor lifting him again:
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Taking a cheap shot from Wonderman:
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Takes a hit from Wrecker (who almost killed Colossus in a single) blow and then survives being hit by a subway train:
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Ghost Riders hellfire is useless:
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More later
Wasn’t Thor significantly depowered recently?
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All I know is that Dr Strange drained the Odinforce to repair Mjolnir and bound Thors life force to Mjolnir (if Mjolnir breaks again, Thor dies)
Thor standing in the center of the sun while fighting Atum:
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Firebolts from Firelord are of no effect:
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Blows that can shatter diamonds do nothing other than make Thor blink:
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Nice scans there Stealth but really unnecessary, Thor stomped this match before it even started.
@AverageJ
Oh I know Thor stomps, I just wanted to put the nail in the coffin
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And actually debate instead of anti-troll gendrons/DReager
“Oh I know Thor stomps, I just wanted to put the nail in the coffin”
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LOL
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“And actually debate instead of anti-troll gendrons/DReager”
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I’m afraid debating with trolls is futile, you will make no progress even if you have endless evidence. It is as if trolls do not process evidence against their character through their brain. mrgendrons is an exquisite example, no matter how much evidence goes against kratos, his very simple narrow mind will not process it, kinda funny to be honest but oh well. We will have to learn to ignore these trolls as they thrive on attention, we starve them from that then we starve their will to troll.
“mrgendrons is an exquisite example, no matter how much evidence goes against kratos”
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At least Dante got an FP Award over Kratos because of it
“At least Dante got an FP Award over Kratos because of it ”
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Glad for that, still really disappointed on the dante vs wolverine award, every time i think about it, i get annoyed.
Thor has the power to call the winds of a thousand worlds into a single attack. To put it in perspective, think of Earth as full of Hurricanes and Tornadoes at the same time, now add another 999 Earths in the same condition into a single attack…Yeah. As Nick Fury put it:
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Kratos = Ant
Thor = Boot
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Ant < Boot. Get it?
god vs god killer? you do the math. assuming thor has a soul, kratos could use the chains of hades he beat out of hades. he has the physical strenght to push back hercules, through back the giant hands of kronos and the world holder atlas, and even traded several blows with zeus. yes, thor’s hammer is made from a collapsed star, but krato’s already killed the sun.
Wow, just… wow.
Obscuritas, go away, we already have 1 Kratos troll, we don’t need 2