Jedah Dohma Vs God of War Universe

Jedah Dohma Vs God of War Universe

Suggested by Dark God of Chaos

For this fight, we have an interesting match.

Jedah Dohma (Darkstalkers) faces off against the God of War Universe.

Battle takes place on a neutral planet with nobody or nothing else on it

Jedah Dohma is at his most powerful.

Every character in God of War is present but in their current incarnations.

Who wins?

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249 Comments on "Jedah Dohma Vs God of War Universe"

  1. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 8:10 am -      #1

    Jedah Stomps

  2. Type-Fallstar With Moralltach and Beagalltach February 4, 2013 at 8:25 am -      #2

    Jedah stomps if half of what i heard is correct

  3. PwNaGE TraiN February 4, 2013 at 8:46 am -      #3

    Jedah takes this one.

  4. The Expert February 4, 2013 at 8:48 am -      #4

    i know nothing at all about this dohma dick but im just with what everyone else is saying: Jedah Stomps

  5. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 9:13 am -      #5
  6. PwNaGE TraiN February 4, 2013 at 9:14 am -      #6

    As much as I love the GoW universe, I admit they lose.
    “His very blood is dangerous and can even hurt enemies and he especially likes to splash it in large waves. Splashes of his blood can reform into jagged blades, and his trademark attack, consist of a floating, rotating bloody blade. In addition, he can pump his enemies full of blood until they explode from the inside out and summon large demonic hands. He can even decapitate himself or mutilate any of his body parts without suffering any ill-effects and can regenerate his body parts from these wounds. He is fond of contorting his wings into weapons, such as forming them into spinning blades and scythes or use them as shields”
    The nerfed down version of the Greek gods in the GoW universe don;t really stand a chance with this guy. If a mortal could kill them then so would an S-Class Darkstalker such as Jedah.

  7. PwNaGE TraiN February 4, 2013 at 9:15 am -      #7

    *don’t

  8. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 10:04 am -      #8

    What canJedah actually do? I dont know much about Jedah, and I know the outskirts battledone uses some powerscaling and such in place of some actual feats on those wiki pages even thought it also claims

    ——

    So what has Jedah actually “done” himself outside anyone elses feats? Splashing blood can be countered by a warm bath and jagged blades sounds pretty low vs a whole verse. That said, based on what you said above PwNaGe it would take soul powers or mind powers rather than physical force to kill him since he can mutilate himself with ease. Without his plot armor he shoud at least be killable by the God of War lot since they do have mind and spirit weapons.

    —————

    More solid evidence on Jedah is imo required before we can argue what he can really do. If he was so powerful, to take on a whole verse it begs the question why he uses attacks like blood spraying and blades.

  9. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 10:06 am -      #9

    “even thought it also claims ”

    *sorry quick edit-

    even though it also claims to frown on powerscaling to the point where it simply should not be done in an argument.

  10. Crimson Sentry February 4, 2013 at 11:52 am -      #10

    It seems that Jedah has a metric fuck ton of other abilities as well, which make him extremely lethal.

  11. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 4, 2013 at 1:00 pm -      #11

    Can’t believe I’m saying this since I’ve gotten in such a habit of debating against God of War….but can we see some scans of Jedah’s feats? I just want to see verification that yes he does in fact stomp the god of war universe into a mud puddle before we unanimously say he does it.

  12. Soldier's Shadow February 4, 2013 at 1:06 pm -      #12

    In the words of Kenny C: “You stay classy Factpile.”

    Match is horrible and wasn’t worth posting.

    Back to lurking…

  13. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 4, 2013 at 1:14 pm -      #13

    @SS
    so it’s really that bad a stomp?

  14. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 1:17 pm -      #14

    As Guardian says, I want to see it, I dont want to just hear testimony because that means I dont necesserily know myself, or can gauge how strong Jedah is myself. The words of some people who know him is not enough imho to put down an entire verse.

  15. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 1:22 pm -      #15
  16. The Guardian in the TARDIS February 4, 2013 at 1:41 pm -      #16

    @Amm0
    I still wouldn’t mind seeing scans but if the links you’ve posted are accurate then he does likely stomp.

  17. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 1:49 pm -      #17

    @Ammo

    I dont want to use the language from that site, but basically it said most feats are not even from the games, some may be un-canon and also, powerscaling may be the only factor when comparing those characters.

    —-

    If Jedah has no real feats, then he may be hard to gauge realistically without simply assuming things based on how high “we” (not necesserily the makers of the game) thing he is on the tiered list. I think anyone would agree, simply assuming someone is faster because he can beat someone who is fast does not make complete sense, there are many variables to consider in a fight.

  18. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 1:50 pm -      #18
  19. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 2:05 pm -      #19

    Is that the canon ending? Is there not several endings concerning fighting games, one for each character? If i am not mistaken, the forces of light win lead by a woman of some description. Also isnt that baby what will be the beacon of his power, the one they will destroy the world?

    Forgive me but old cinematics confuse me anyway, frame by frame its hard to determine what is exactly happening sometimes.

    Also Ammo can you explain why he uses powers that involve blood sprays and knives/sharp objects if he is so powerful to defeat a whole verse like GoW?

  20. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 2:11 pm -      #20

    If im reading right that is when he destroyed the whole place and he fed the blood into the fetus of God

    “Jedah is the youngest of the three High Nobles of Makai. Under the rule of Belial Aensland, Jedah became worried about the future of the demon realm, however through a course of events was manipulated by his confidant Ozomu into destroying the seals of the Makai gate and thus, destroying himself. Jedah however, resurrected after a century, and hatched his plan to merge all souls into a new dimension, the Majigen. To this end he transformed Ozomu into that dimension and summoned forth strong souls to be its contents, and thus Darkstalkers 3: Vampire Savior began.”

    That is his fighting style,if he is fighting,like fighting someone who is on his level he probably would want to go toe to toe but a whole planet. Why do that if you can just take all the souls and be gone

  21. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 2:17 pm -      #21

    Yeah he was making a baby from all the souls in the universe. “Fetus of God” as you put it for the baby to take over said universe. But doesnt Anita defeat him eventually anyway?

    Well thats the thing, if he can actually take “all their souls” so easily he would have done it to Makai off the bat, I am sensing theres deep universe or plot based reasons why he could or could not take X amount of souls. Reading some of the links you posted earlier, his body got destroyed by absorbing too many souls at one point but due to his destinty he returned X amount of time later which is where he killed his servent and made his dimention from his servants soul.

  22. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 2:25 pm -      #22

    I don’t know about the Anita thing,Im just going off of what I find on the internet and these episodes of Darkstalkers I am watching

    He do it to makai

    “Firepower: Jedah can, with a simple gesture, destroy the demon realm of Makai, a dimension who’s main landmass alone is several hundred times larger than all of Earth’s combined landmass (to put this into perspective, that is about the size of Mars), followed by extensive seas. No one knows where it ends. He can also project his power somewhat through time as he has reached people in the past with telepathy. See Jedah’s Destructive Capacity”

    If his body got destroyed by absorbing to many souls,but he did it to a planet larger than earth. Doing so to the whole of GoD of War should be easy seeing as they don’t take up a whole planet

  23. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 2:49 pm -      #23

    www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=NS9ML0CCq1U#t=278s

    Lower Power level people can mass soul steal

  24. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 3:11 pm -      #24

    @Ammo

    I heard about that, but earlier it talks about how in his storyline he is just a noble in Makai, and how most nobles even of his level use political means and spies to control events. If he could do this so easily he would have done it earlier. This sounds like a plot specific reason to me, did you find the source, e..g the video where he actually does this?

    True but as the source states, for some reason this world has a door that has all the souls in it kept in by seals, the God of War universe doesnt have anything like that for Jedah to use to take their souls.
    —-

    Concerning the other video, is that canon? and whats more, he had a lmited range in this case, he seems to eat the souls of about 30 human monks roughly and it took him a few seconds to activate that ability. In that video it looks like he is channeling his power at about 4:19 all the way up until 4:31, thats an incredibly long time, that if this character was in GoW he would have been swarmed and smashed to bits before he got a few seconds into his power AMP. You see its things like this that point out how much time these large scale feats may need, its no good if you can bust a universe for example if it takes you an hour to charge said attack if you get my meaning.

    ——-

    If Jedah needs outside power sources, or specific plot devices or indeed,a long power charge up to be able to do mass attacks hes not going to win that way nefore Hades or Kratos reap his soul out with the hooks they use. Or something turns him to stone, attacks his mind etc. To defeat this verse so easily, what you said about him doing it with a gesture would need some more evidence than word of mouth and some perspective, e.g. as I said before, we dont know why he can suddenly take out the whole of makai when before in his character bio hes talking about just being a basic noble who hates belial and wnats to take it on, if it was so easy to take the world out then why wouldnt he.

  25. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 3:12 pm -      #25

    -Edit

    Also, Ammo, do you have any video like that one of the undead looking thing and the cute kitty cat girl for Jedah Dohma himself? I have found this for Pyron and Demitris fight;

  26. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 3:26 pm -      #26

    What if he didn’t do it because it was a plot specific reason,is this what you are asking? Like why zues and the other gods didn’t just jump kratos?

    The doors are the paths to different dimensions not doors to hold souls to my knowledge

    Is that canon,i don’t see why not,then again im not a big darkstalkers buff like that.

    Like I said he is low tier,Jedah is S rank I think,this guy is alot lower than that,alot lower.

    This would take me reading through the manga,watching the whole series and Watching playthroughs of his game.

    Also a basic noble,isn’t something to scoff at albeit i don’t think he is basic.


    But I will do my best finding everything

    www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=15468
    -

  27. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 3:28 pm -      #27

    Im watching the Anime now so if Jedah Shows up i will be sure to post it

  28. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 3:37 pm -      #28

    @Amm0vamp1r3

    “What if he didn’t do it because it was a plot specific reason,is this what you are asking? Like why zues and the other gods didn’t just jump kratos?”

    Well yes thats one side of what I am asking, other things could be why doesnt Kratos just use the loom in the sisters of fate room to go back and save his family, or to go back to the beginning and kill the Gods as babies. Maybe he cant. For example, what if I said the following;

    —-

    “Kratos can go back in time and teleport titans to other points in time as he wishs”

    ——

    Technically, Kratos can do this, but he could not do it any time he wants because its not an ability purely based around him, he used a room to do this. So what I am saying is, and suggesting is that Jedah could only do this to Makai at that point because of plot specific items or occurances. The truth is, the scenes are all very vague in the game.

    ———-

    “The doors are the paths to different dimensions not doors to hold souls to my knowledge”

    Why did souls come out of it then when Jedah broke the seals at the behest of his adviser Orzomo or w/e his name is? I was under the impression Orzomo tried to trick Jedah into killing himself by opening the seals so all the souls come out and overpower him, whcih they did for a while.

    —————–

    “Like I said he is low tier,Jedah is S rank I think,this guy is alot lower than that,alot lower.”

    True but that does not mean Jedah is automatically faster, more powerful, more durable etc in every way. Kain is vastly superior to Raziel in every way, but he still never got his own wings as an evolution in the soul reaver series if you understand my meaning. Even more powerful entities cannot do what every lower entitiy than them can do, and more often than not, the devil is in the details, I wouldnt be surprised to find it takes Jedah a long time to take so many souls in a straight up combat as well, otherwise he wouldnt bother fighting at all. You see I just want to know 100% how Jedah does a power and the circumstances behind it that makes logical sense to me. If it was so easy to kill so many souls, he wouldnt have mucked around earlier in the storyline.

    ———-

    “Im watching the Anime now so if Jedah Shows up i will be sure to post it”

    Ok cool, hopefully it will show some abilities of Jedah and how he actually fights.

  29. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 3:38 pm -      #29

    Vampire Savior – Using Jedah

    www.vgmuseum.com/end/psx/c/ds3vs2.htm

    Vampire Savior – Using Anyone Else

    www.vgmuseum.com/end/psx/c/ds3vs2_b.htm

    Vampire Savior 2 Mode

    www.vgmuseum.com/end/psx/c/ds3vs2.htm

  30. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 3:44 pm -      #30

    @Ammo

    So Jedah can basically get defeated, but in the game comes back until his mission is completed, as per plot shield I suppose.

    As a side note, I wonder if the sisters of fate, assuming both universes rules, including Jedahs plot device is in effect, then maybe the sisters could cut his fate/destinty and kill him permanently right off the bat.

    From those sources, it says even when Jedah wins he has not eaten all the souls of the demon world (makai?) so when doe she do this I wonder? or maybe he can only do it when theres no resitance, e.g. when hes already beaten everyone at the end of the game.

  31. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 4:01 pm -      #31

    Didn’t Kratos not do all those things because he wasn’t thinking about it,his focus was kill the Pantheon

    It looked like the souls where comind from all around to me.

    Well it was never said he could only do so in makai from what I know he has only been shown much in makai

    That door may have been a trap for jedah not just alot of souls behind,demitri gets to the demon realm by opening a door

    Kain and Raziel dont work like Darkstalkers,S rank are S rank because they are stronger than the rest. A rank is weaker in every way to S rank to my knowledge

    I think Jedahs is the canon ending to that the game,

    I don’t think they would have his fate string or however they do it.

    He hasn’t beaten everyone,that was not the whole planet he fought through out the game,that was a few people. compared to the billions on makai if not more because it was said to be several times larger than earth like the link i posted earlier

  32. ka-tet19 February 4, 2013 at 4:06 pm -      #32

    WWJD.

    who wins? Jedah Dohma

  33. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 4:12 pm -      #33
  34. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 4:13 pm -      #34

    @Ammovamp

    “Kain and Raziel dont work like Darkstalkers,S rank are S rank because they are stronger than the rest. A rank is weaker in every way to S rank to my knowledge”

    Does a canon source show this? The only people I have seen saying that are those on the outskirts battledome who basically assume power scaling. More powerful does not mean better in every way anyway. My example of Kain and Raziel is that, Kain is more powerful to Raziel in basically every way, yet does not have/cannot do everything he can do. Until I see the game itself or a canon source state that Jedah is automatically faster, stronger, more powerful magically and better in every way than anyone a tad under him or has the abilities of everyone under him on the rank scale neither of us should belive the powerscaling from Outskirts. I mean it assumes everyone from Demitri to Jedah to a load of other darkstalkers can all go hypersonic to faster than light in speed even though they fight at about human speed in the games and their videos do not show them moving quickly at all. I mean wheres this “speed” hype come from?

  35. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 4:20 pm -      #35

    But as Legacy of Kain shows power doesn’t matter how you evolve as you see through Soul Reaver 1 how all of his brothers were different but Kain was still stronger. Even though Rehab (I think) gained immunity to water,But Kain was still stronger.

    What im saying is just because he is more powerful than Raziel and all his creations (because of his age) doesn’t mean he will get everything they get,but he is still more powerful

    Thats how the ranking system works,thats like belial who was an S class or Higher Demon was strong because he was S class or Higher. The B,A,S systems is a way to classify them,S being the strongest I think.

  36. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 4:28 pm -      #36

    Amm0vamp1r3

    Power doesnt matter in a lot of things, Kain is more powerful is my point, he could single handadly defeat any of the other vampires if not all at once, he has not got their powers though. On the other hand, you could say the same about Jedah, we know he may be able to easily beat A class and lower Darkstalkers but not that he has all their powers and abilities.

    ——-

    As I said with my example of Kain, “strongest” may be more powerful, does not mean has “all” superior stats in every way.

    ———-

    A more simple example, “Man A” is heavier, stronger and a better fighter than “Man B” and can beat him in a fight, but “Man B” is faster. In my example, “Man B” is weaker and gets beaten, but is still faster, even if hes weak and loses. He has something. “Man A” has. Nothing in the rankings say Jedah has every stat you can imagine, and every power lower ranks have.

    ——–

    Also I like how the respect thread you posted uses that old video, which is basically a frame by frame video that has no real way of gauging time to say that Jedah took all the souls in a dimension at once and destroyed. The video doesnt even say this is happening, its like the fans of that series have made up their minds on whats happening, and further made up timings as well, its not full action animation. Its like using comic scans to assume the previous scan is always a second behind the next one, which is nonsense because some comic scans, the next scene may be in another room or place or hours later etc.

    ——

    I think Jedah as a character is hard to gauge/debate since being in an old game his cutscenes and storyline is hardly expanded on and hard to read (imo), but I would say based on the information we can actually see, he fights through the team of darkstalkers at about human speed and uses blood and blades for his damage nine times out of ten. That alone, the GoW universe can face.

  37. Dark God of Chaos February 4, 2013 at 4:29 pm -      #37

    This… actually got posted? LOL

    Holy shit

    Anyways, Jedah soulfucked a dimension of trillions of demons

  38. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 4:31 pm -      #38

    @Dark God of Chaos

    Probably true, but based on the game itself he has no speed or durability feats, just regeneration and plot shield “destiny” comebacks, which take hundreds of years to come into play. Surely 100 years is basically a KO and win if someone could put him down?

  39. Dark God of Chaos February 4, 2013 at 4:38 pm -      #39

    “speed”

    Pyron is FTL and Jedah was able to travel around the earth in 2 seconds or something

    Also Jedah’s regen isn’t to be overlooked since he can regen from even decapitation and extreme mutilation

    Jeadh can also turn people into dimensions and planet bust

    www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=15637

    Jedah’s DC in there

  40. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 4:39 pm -      #40

    Seeing as everything I have seen about him brings up that scene as a planet sized Soul Steal,nothing differentiating at all.

    Its the same video what are you saying,The Video has been shown in multiple sites that I have seen jedah used on,So it is a very popular scene about him,each time saying the same “Soul Stealing Maki”,all saying the same thing about him

    He appears first in darkstalkers 3 (which is the ending I have posted many times) And that seems to be the only time he appeared in darkstalkers verse (well what I found and what the wiki says)

  41. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 4:50 pm -      #41

    @Dark

    Do you have the scan for this? Jedah traveling round the earth in 2 seconds? I dont care about Pyron, luckily hes not in this thread.

    That regen would only finish the GoW universe if they did not have any way of freezing him, turning him to stone or attacking his soul or mind they have most if not all of these methods.

    He used the soul of one of his minions to create a dimension, this does not give him any combat abilities to fight GoW characters unless your saying he tries to take the soul of each one, makes a dimention etc while they let him do it? I cant see that happening.

    Well thats nice and all but, what point do you actually see a planet explode in any of those videos? Looks like fan hype to me tbh. Let me tell you what I see in that video, in the first image I see Jedah with his arms wide open and a glowing door, in the second I see some buildings, perhaps skyscrapers shaking as if their in some sort of earthquake and then I see what must be souls entering the godly fetus. This does not give any scope of time, how Jedah did it, or what circumstances this was. For all we know from that video, he destroyed a small town or city and took their souls……the video itself does not say.

    @Ammovamp

    How do you know these are not fans, the same people possibly etc, their sources does not exactly state what THEY are saying? Ill ask you the same thing I did Dark God of Chaos, can you see a planet actually blowing up into chunks death star style, or a planet the size of jupiter in that one 43 second video?

    Jedah says he “destroyed” it and all we see is some city buildings being knocked around like they were in some natural disaster, not a whole planet going to dust or piecies like the calculation in that thread Dark God posted is looking into.


    And again, as I said theres no real time frame, how do we know how long it took for Jedah to do this when the video itself is made frame by frame, without actual movement. We simply cannot, if it takes Jedah an hour of prep to do this then its useless.

  42. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 4:57 pm -      #42

    Turning someone to stone in GoW isn’t a full stoning,you can break out even enemies can after a minute

    Planet level destruction doesn’t always mean,yea I will turn into dust but Raising your hands and taking all the souls on the planet is “Planet destruction” in a since of speaking

    How do you know they ARE fans?

    You said what you see so let me say what I see.

    Jedah rasing his arms,all th souls surronding and entering him. The images of the destruction and Chaos he is causing and then him feeding the souls to the fetus of God.

    How do we know it wasn’t seconds to do this like the time frames suggest

  43. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 4:59 pm -      #43

    @Edit/to all

    As an adition to all that, look at the following;

    strategywiki.org/wiki/Darkstalkers/Characters/Jedah

    “When hit by Anakaris’ Pharaoh’s Curse, he becomes a crow or a raven with a sharp hooked beak, carrying a scythe in his claw. When attacked by Demitri’s Midnight Bliss, he transforms into a provocative female version of himself with long blond hair. Jedah has some sort of rivalry with Donovan, as explained in the PlayStation version of Darkstalkers 3. However, it is Anita that concerns Jedah. Jedah is implying, in his ending, that Anita is the ruler of humans that has yet to awaken, in the words “I’ll have to destroy the other world, the human world, before their leader, before she fully awakens.” She is among the greatest threats to his plans to save Makai.”

    Am I reading this correctly? Apprently he is scared of a human woman yet unborn? AND Donovan who is I assume also a human is a “rival”, I know I dont understand the verse but the fact he can also be transformed and such by his enemies and the fact he fears humans and speaks of, in his ending video that he has to destroy the human world before Anita awakens, all of this implies not only is he really as powerful as belived but its not as easy for him to take out a world as some people imagine. He cant just clap his hands and everyone falls down, or he would not be talking about how he has to plan ahead for it, as if its a major task.

    ————

    if its a major task to pull something like devouring the souls of a massive dimention, breaking a few cities up etc, then how is that a useful combat feat here when a whole verse is going to wailing on him?

  44. Dark God of Chaos February 4, 2013 at 5:05 pm -      #44

    As for the Claws of Hades, those require the opponent to be weakened beforehand. They can easily be resisted

    And Jedah was capable of mindfucking Pyron (a skyfather+ level being

    www.vgmuseum.com/end/psx/c/ds3vh.htm

    www.vgmuseum.com/end/psx/c/ds3vh_b.htm

    So mindrape nothing (note how Pyron in both of those believed he won because Jedah was mind raping him)

  45. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 5:07 pm -      #45

    Firstly we don’t know anita so we don’t know what she brings to the table. You say it like she is going to be some little deformed human when she could well enough be equal to TOAA power wise.

    Demitri Transforms everyone with midnight bliss,so if GoW brings someone like that to the table then it may work,but then again it may not

    Who ever said it was a major task when he can fly, and most of GoWs people can’t and Im pretty sure he can survive in space so i don’t think any one can reach him from there and it isn’t a BFR
    -

  46. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 5:11 pm -      #46

    I say it may not work because both of these moves are instant transform then instant turn back

  47. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 5:15 pm -      #47
  48. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 5:18 pm -      #48

    @Ammo

    “Turning someone to stone in GoW isn’t a full stoning,you can break out even enemies can after a minute”

    Shattering them usually is game over though, if its the whole verse? youve got Kratos and possibly hundreds of Gorgons here to do the stoneing.

    —–

    “Planet level destruction doesn’t always mean,yea I will turn into dust but Raising your hands and taking all the souls on the planet is “Planet destruction” in a since of speaking”

    The video does not say all he did was “raise his hand”, it shows him raising his hand, directing the souls into a fetus, other than that we know nothing of what he was doing or if this was all the same move due to the timeframe thing I mentioned. Also, the planet is not busted in any case then is it, the souls are just being consumed on a planetary scale, hes basically making the planets population extinct if thats what is happening, calculating the energy required to blast up a planet to dust like Death’s link is redundant.

    “How do you know they ARE fans?”

    Who other than a fan would go through great lengths on creating respect threads and long lines of maths on calculating said feats? I cant imagine why anyone would do so unless their at least a fan, I know I wouldnt spend time mathing a universe or fictional series I had no real interest in.

    —–

    “You said what you see so let me say what I see.

    Jedah rasing his arms,all th souls surronding and entering him. The images of the destruction and Chaos he is causing and then him feeding the souls to the fetus of God”

    Ok true but we see images of a few buildings being broken, nothing planetary, you concede to that right? Also how do you know, from that timeframe that him holding his arms in the air is not just redirecting the souls that were seeing? and not actually him destroying anything. For all we know thanks to this time frame/frame by frame video the souls thing is seperate to the actual powers he used to destroy these buildings, we dont know for sure.

    —–

    “How do we know it wasn’t seconds to do this like the time frames suggest”

    Thats my point, we dont know either way. The video gives no time frame, I have no more evidence than you to say its either an hour time frame or seconds. I can only use other logical reasoning which we can get to if you would like, I mentioned some of it in my last post. If it was easy to just raise his hands in seconds to take out worlds dimentions away he wouldnt be afraid of anyone, nor would he have to plan to do it to the human world.

    ———–

    “Firstly we don’t know anita so we don’t know what she brings to the table. You say it like she is going to be some little deformed human when she could well enough be equal to TOAA power wise.”

    Your making things up though are you not? I never said she could be a deformed human, but shes a human, why would I assume she has unlimited power? From what we know as a fact so far unless more light on Anita can be sprung, not only is she a threat to Jedah but hes afraid of her before shes even born…..which means he canot so easily clap his hands to kill her and the human world like his fans probalby think.

    —-

    “Demitri Transforms everyone with midnight bliss,so if GoW brings someone like that to the table then it may work,but then again it may not”

    GoW has transformations doesnt it, the Gods turned someone into a beast if I recall. It has ice powers, stone powers, it has many abilities. Too many to be able to take into account in my post to simply say Jedah has an answer to everything just because he can regen from a pool of blood.

    “Who ever said it was a major task when he can fly, and most of GoWs people can’t and Im pretty sure he can survive in space so i don’t think any one can reach him from there and it isn’t a BFR”

    He implied it when he was afraid of a human woman not even born yet. how fast can he fly? we dont know, can he survive in space? we dont know do we? evidence on this? how do we know he can do it from space?

    Do we know he can even do it without that baby already there? maybe he cannot so easily steal souls without a hungry Godlike fetus devouring them all? we dont know these things, were just assuming outside of the box.

    @Dark God of Chaos

    “As for the Claws of Hades, those require the opponent to be weakened beforehand. They can easily be resisted”

    Frozen, slowed in time, stuck in stone, I could probably go on but I think those count pretty much as “weakened” and I dont think it requires weakening, to devour a titans soul all Hades had to do was pull him over with his chains, the Titan wasnt exactly out of the fight but he was as soon as his soul was being drawn out, Kratos showed some resistance but that does not mena Jedah has the same resistance.

    ————–

    “And Jedah was capable of mindfucking Pyron (a skyfather+ level being”

    I dont have any idea what “skylevel+” means so please illuminate that bit of info, but what I do know is your source says he “will SOON” lose his will, not that he actually lost it. Also, I am assuming you have great feats for Pyrons mental resistance and spiritual, since thats what Jedah was using.


    So mindrape nothing (note how Pyron in both of those believed he won because Jedah was mind raping him)”

    Thats not a feat for Jedah surviving/resisting mind rape so I dont know what you mean. That may only prove that given time, Jedah “may” be able to mind rape members of the GoW universe.

  49. Chaos Ridley February 4, 2013 at 5:32 pm -      #49

    “he can also be transformed and such by his enemies”

    That is gameplay. Especially since it is a fighting game, it isn’t any different from pitting Sakura against Oni, or Dormammu against Hulk. In the story one is more powerful than the other, but the gameplay is balanced for entertainment purpose. However we really don’t know if Jedah is truly immune to instant transformation.

    “Donovan who is I assume also a human is a “rival” ”

    Firstly Donovan is half-vampire, secondly he has control over elemental spirit (fire spirit, ice spirit), and third he has the power to seal ANY darkstalker.

    I don’t know too much about Anita. All I know is that she is destined to rule the world and she is born with special powers.

  50. Chaos Ridley February 4, 2013 at 5:39 pm -      #50

    @Ammo
    Is this right? In OBD it said that Kain lost to Jedah. At least in that forum. But is Jedah really that powerful after what I’ve learned about Kain in Factpile?
    outskirtsbattledome.wikispaces.com/Character+Profile+-+Jedah+Dohma

  51. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 5:40 pm -      #51

    @Chaos Ridley

    “That is gameplay. Especially since it is a fighting game, it isn’t any different from pitting Sakura against Oni, or Dormammu against Hulk. In the story one is more powerful than the other, but the gameplay is balanced for entertainment purpose. However we really don’t know if Jedah is truly immune to instant transformation.”

    Gameplay does not make it any less important, why would the developers make characters (Hulk and Dormammu have tons of outside reading to make clear their abilities, afaik darkstalkers only has their games) that can do things to eachother in the game when they cannot in reality? I mean its not a gameplay mechanic exactly because both sides can do it, its not like its a special power given to a player or NPC in a RPG or something. But I digress, Jedah has shown zero resistance to such, so he can be transformed.

    Also yes I read about Donovan, half vampire ok, elemental powers? I can probably name a ton of characters in GoW, some them masters of it, e.g. like the Gods and Titans themselves with elemental powers.

    —-

    “I don’t know too much about Anita. All I know is that she is destined to rule the world and she is born with special powers.”

    We also know Jedah is afraid of her before shes even born. So cant instantly destroy her or the world shes on.

    Did you concede to the above comments or did you not see them yet?

    —-

    “Is this right? In OBD it said that Kain lost to Jedah. At least in that forum. But is Jedah really that powerful after what I’ve learned about Kain in Factpile?”

    Wouldnt surprise me if OBD thinks Jedah can devour planets of souls/bust planets in an instant and is as fast and as powerful as Pyron.

  52. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 5:42 pm -      #52

    Yes shattering them is game over but you act as if Jedah is just going sit there and let that happen.

    The video showed him raising his hands and souls going to him.Souls surrounding him,in a dimention that the fetus was not in so he either let the souls float next to him or he absorbed them the took them to the fetus of god.

    How do we know they aren’t getting this from something made by capcom,I know wikis are fan made but saying they are just making things up is out there,I doubt someone sits there and just makes stuff up to type on a wiki with out some knowledge.

    We see bulidings being destroyed but what do you expect them to go through the whole thing and turn it to dust during an old game,from a soul steal?

    He didn’t do it to the human world, but he did it to a world larger than the human world. So logically he could do it to the human world let alon the GoW verse which isn’t that large.

    Considering its fiction and humans range from me and you to krillen to possibly higher. Just saying she is human,to a game like darkstalkers is really low balling a alot of speculation.And yes we are both making things up,are we not?

    I don’t know if GoW has transformations,that’s on you to provide.All I know is they can turn people to stone. And seeing as midnight bliss works on pyron yea this transformation of GoW (if they have them) better be instant and very powerful

    Implied,again speculation seeing as we don’t know Anitas power. So that implication is a reach,it could be right or it could be completely wrong.

    Well since all this is assumption and alot of people say that he can fly,and can go into space etc etc and you being the first person to really question this,im leaning towards the multitude speculation over the Lone speculation

    They don’t count as weakend,GoW being beat to a pulp counts as weakend. Seeing as Kratos is not equal to Hades I doubt he has the same mastery of the claws of hades.
    -

  53. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 5:47 pm -      #53

    @Chaos

    Kain isn’t super powerful he is pretty low tier compared to the likes of Darkstalkers,So jedah beating him isn’t that out there.

  54. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 6:01 pm -      #54

    @Ammo

    “Yes shattering them is game over but you act as if Jedah is just going sit there and let that happen.”

    Well hes going to have to 1. struggle out of it and 2. do so with up to as many as 1000 gorgons, if not more, I am sure the whole GoW universe has more than that sending beams of stone energy at him, meanwhile hes being frozen by ice, blasted by lightning, hes not even get a chance to reform from all the piecies hes going to be turned into by the Gods hitting him with magic from all sides.

    “How do we know they aren’t getting this from something made by capcom,I know wikis are fan made but saying they are just making things up is out there,I doubt someone sits there and just makes stuff up to type on a wiki with out some knowledge.”

    Thats a big leap though isnt it, they have no source from capcom, if they had that source directly from the developer instead of some 40 second frame by frame video dont you think they would use it? no, we dont know if they have any other source. I think their assuming things to hype their character.

    —-

    “We see bulidings being destroyed but what do you expect them to go through the whole thing and turn it to dust during an old game,from a soul steal?”

    I could probalby show a planet blowing up, or a plane ful of souls being eaten quite easily in MS paint or photoshop even, let alone a game. Theres a lot of old games that show planets exploding if I am not mistaken, I think the fact that all it does show buildings breaking up proves that its more likely Jedah only wrecked a major city or two.

    —–

    “He didn’t do it to the human world, but he did it to a world larger than the human world. So logically he could do it to the human world let alon the GoW verse which isn’t that large.”

    Well as were discussing, we dont know for sure what he did yet, only eat a large number of souls to feed a fetus and smash some buildings, thats not going to stop GoW but lets go out on a limb and say he smashed that world, he admits at the end of the video he fears the unborn anita, proving that it takes longer than it does for an unborn baby to mature to a women (years basically) before Jedah can easily destroy the human world. Clearly this is not something J can do on a whim and no effort. The whole game wouldnt make sense if he was that powerful.

    —-

    “Considering its fiction and humans range from me and you to krillen to possibly higher. Just saying she is human,to a game like darkstalkers is really low balling a alot of speculation.And yes we are both making things up,are we not?”

    Well kind of yes, were both making stuff up but it means neither of us can definatly say Jedah has any of those impressive powers the fans mention, only things we can both agree to as fact is his regen, and his regular blood related combat moves which GoW could easily beat imo.

    “I don’t know if GoW has transformations,that’s on you to provide.All I know is they can turn people to stone. And seeing as midnight bliss works on pyron yea this transformation of GoW (if they have them) better be instant and very powerful”

    ome to think of it I was just suggesting things, I am not 100% sure of a specific time off the top of my head where GoW transforms but ill have a look into it , also Pyron in the actual fights weakens himself to mortal levels so he is irrelevent as far as that power and other combat abilities are concerned, your source earlier on the characters profiles says that he weakens himself to their levels.

    ——

    “Implied,again speculation seeing as we don’t know Anitas power. So that implication is a reach,it could be right or it could be completely wrong.”

    Its not implied hes afraid of her though since we know that for fact, or that he cant deal with her instantly or in the time it takes her to become an adult because hes afraid and has to make plans to counter the human world, so clearly this power is not instant.

    “Well since all this is assumption and alot of people say that he can fly,and can go into space etc etc and you being the first person to really question this,im leaning towards the multitude speculation over the Lone speculation”

    I am not speculating, I am admitting I dont know and I am saying nobody in this thread without better sources can say Jedah can do these things, those multiudes who pretend to know/speculate are still, no doubt based on their sources just as clueless as we are, so just saying “they have to be right because theres more of them” is a bandwagon fallacy, both of us can see their sources, they dont have anything saying he can do these things really.

    If I got some of my friends to post on here saying Kain can punch out stars with his fists would you automatically belive us all? :)

    “They don’t count as weakend,GoW being beat to a pulp counts as weakend. Seeing as Kratos is not equal to Hades I doubt he has the same mastery of the claws of hades.”

    I would say being turned to stone, slowed in time etc is pretty weak to me, hows he going to resist if he cant move in time?

    —-

    “Kain isn’t super powerful he is pretty low tier compared to the likes of Darkstalkers,So jedah beating him isn’t that out there.”

    Jedah does not really seem too powerful either outside of the OBD and some fan speculations. He seems like a vampire with amazing regen, some soul powers of moderate power and thats about it other than spraying blood at people.

    Also an amusing side note, the only LoK vamps in Kains time that could be killed by sunlight are the babies and Demitri, one of those “impressive” darkstalkers was hiding inside a casket/castle due to being weakened and for years had to shield himslef for sunlight out of fear of being completly destroyed. Even later when he got some strength back, your profile said he still used some sunlight shields to protect him. The source also says a lot of Darkstalkers are weak to sunlight. Thats one thing LoK vampires have over Darkstalkers :D

  55. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 6:01 pm -      #55

    “Feats: Jedah started by stealing the soul of a demon named Ozom, did this with little effort despite Ozom being an A+ level Darkstalker. He would then use his soul as the foundation for the Majigen, a pocket dimension Jedah would make to replace the demon and human worlds. Jedah then with a raise of his hand was able to absorb every soul in the dimension of Makai. That is trillions of souls. After doing so, he destroyed the dimension itself. Makai is a gargantuan dimension, the landmass itself is hundreds of times larger than Earth, and is surrounded by a virtually endless sea(which mantains a temperature of 1,000 C and absolute zero simultaneously), which is in turn surrounded by a dimensional wall.

    Jedah is physically at least as powerful as Demitri Maximov empowered by the energy absorbed from Pyron. Same with speed I assume.

    Jedah’s regeneration is Godly. About to instantly heal from decapitation for instance, many of his physical attacks involve him dismembering his own body, and healing instantly.

    From the Majigen, he was able to transport the cast of Darkstalkers to it from Earth. In other words, able to send others to other dimensions. He himself has dimensional teleportation.

    Donavan Baine was able to stop a cliff(100 tons or more) from collapsing with one hand by stabbing his sword in it, while he was stabbed twice in the heart by a soul and blood draining sword. Donavan, is a bug compared to Pyron, and Demitri, who is physicallu a rival to Mortal Pyron. Demitri absorbed Pyron’s mortal form, which would make him stronger. Jedah is as strong or stronger than that. As for speed, well he has no feats of it, but fast enough to fight Pyron empowered Demitri, Pyron was able to fly around the planet in about two seconds or so. Durability, don’t know, but it does not really matter considering his regeneration.

    Jedah has no vital organs, so he quickly regenerates from any damage.”

  56. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 6:08 pm -      #56

    @Amm0vamp1r3

    Ok first, Ozom was mentioned as being a weakling coward by Makai standards to begin with.

    Assuming those feats for Donovan are true, I underestimated the man and will give him credit for strength, which is a better feat for strength than Jedah has.

    Unless this is a new offical source your quoting Ammo, this is nothing I have not read already by the fans. And from the language used, it just looks like another fan-work to me. I se a ton of power scaling, few real feats to help him in this matchup.

  57. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 6:20 pm -      #57

    You’re assuming he gets stoned in the first place,Kratos can dodge them fairly easily,because of how planned they are

    Same leap as saying they have nothing more than a 40 second video

    Just becuase you could and would doesn’t mean they wanted to, They probably thought what the have shown was good enough .Seeing as alot of people have gathered the same thing.

    You keep bringing up anita,like anyone has anything about her. I know I don’t know anything about her,if you know something please spread some light on her.

    But seeing as there is a multitude of people and site saying something and then you saying something else. Like i said Im leaning to the multitude

    Was it ever said Pyron weakend when he shrunk down?

    Again about Anita,we don’t know her she could end up being able to solo all of Darkstalkers or She could just be the one thing born to be the complete opposite of jedah. Seeing as he is weary of her birth she must be impressive seeing as all the things Jedah is know for

    But Alot of people saying the same thing as opposed to the one saying hey yada yada yada says something unless you are saying they are alll wrong,they are all seeing the same thing.

    Seeing as kain has been in detailed explain and I know better for a fact no i wouldn’t belive you.Don’t insult my intelligence

    Kain can time slow people but He cant walk up to them and jab his sword into them.He has to beat them down to a pulp before jamming a sword in them same for kratos

    Outside of OBD and the other site saying the same thing.

    Demitri wasn’t at 100 percent and the vampires work completely different so that amusing side note doesn’t really mean much

  58. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 6:22 pm -      #58

    Let me just slow you down right there that is definatly copied from another site.

    Is he making stuff up I don’t know,and I don’t really plan to find out

  59. Chaos Ridley February 4, 2013 at 6:22 pm -      #59

    @Kittan Lord
    Nightmare from Soul Calibur is capable of opening a rift to a dimension anytime (since SCV at least), or at least cause the good deal of the ground to burn, that would have benefit him in a fighting game. They showed it on the game and it is canon. They didn’t use that power because it would be overpowering on a fighting game.

    You can’t really put everything into gameplay. Sure you know the ability to the character with it like Sora for example. He has the ability to conjure magic and summonings, and they never show that on a scene. How come later in the game and a small scene shows that Sora is capable in cutting buildings in pieces. He can even jump high enough to jump over a 20 story tall building with ease. I could have done that earlier on the game to skip all that land or cut a couple buildings in the way to reach my destination.

  60. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 6:26 pm -      #60
  61. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 6:31 pm -      #61
  62. Chaos Ridley February 4, 2013 at 6:37 pm -      #62

    “Kain isn’t super powerful he is pretty low tier compared to the likes of Darkstalkers,So jedah beating him isn’t that out there.”

    I get that overpowering thing with Morrigan, Dimitri, Pyro, and Jedah. What about Felicia and Jon Talbain? They don’t look all that threatening compare to the other roster.

  63. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 6:38 pm -      #63

    @Ammo

    “You’re assuming he gets stoned in the first place,Kratos can dodge them fairly easily,because of how planned they are”

    Kratos can dodge one or two at a time, Jedahs fighting the whole verse at once and as of yet, has no speed feats to help him here.

    “Same leap as saying they have nothing more than a 40 second video”

    lol no its not, we can see on their page they only have a 40 second video, wheres the capcom source you were talking about then?

    “Just becuase you could and would doesn’t mean they wanted to, They probably thought what the have shown was good enough .Seeing as alot of people have gathered the same thing.”

    Or maybe they did not want the audiance to think planets were being destroyed and Jedah was so powerful (as per the fans think anyway) that their whole game made no sense if Jedah could kill everyone so easily. Fact is, they didnt, therefore did not want to.

    “You keep bringing up anita,like anyone has anything about her. I know I don’t know anything about her,if you know something please spread some light on her.”

    I keep bringing her up because we do know some things about her, even before being born Jedah is scared of her, the all powerful Jedah who should by the fans scale be able to blow up Earth with a clap of his hands….obviously their talking nonsense.

    “But seeing as there is a multitude of people and site saying something and then you saying something else. Like i said Im leaning to the multitude”

    Which is like I said, ilogical fallacy, its worth when you can see their source, they dont have sources showing what their claiming. Also youve shown me a few internet users saying this, much of which could be the same person only on different forums. We dont know, what we do know is they have no good source.

    “Was it ever said Pyron weakend when he shrunk down?”

    Yes it says Pyron weakened himself to his opponents level, you dont think he was striking the earth and all his opponents with the same force his “plane size+” form had do you?

    “Again about Anita,we don’t know her she could end up being able to solo all of Darkstalkers or She could just be the one thing born to be the complete opposite of jedah. Seeing as he is weary of her birth she must be impressive seeing as all the things Jedah is know for”

    I like how you added “known for”, rather than actually done. Hes not done anything much of note to mean hes a verse killer, not from what I have seen anyway. As i said before, it doesnt matter what she can do, what matters is hes scared of her as a baby, and cant just flick his finger to kill her/her world.

    “But Alot of people saying the same thing as opposed to the one saying hey yada yada yada says something unless you are saying they are alll wrong,they are all seeing the same thing.”

    I addressed this further up my post, but just believing a group of fans as opposed to actually seeing their poor source is just believing what their saying purely on faith. Thats a logical fallacy no matter how you swing it. Me saying their sources are weak and their claims are unbacked is not, its deduction.


    “Seeing as kain has been in detailed explain and I know better for a fact no i wouldn’t belive you.Don’t insult my intelligence”

    I didnt insult your intelligence, I was making an obvious example. Although you just admitted right there, Kain is explained, Jedah is not. Dont make things up, or believe made up things if you dont know their source.

    “Kain can time slow people but He cant walk up to them and jab his sword into them.He has to beat them down to a pulp before jamming a sword in them same for kratos”

    Wah? In gmaeplay mechanics sure, you realise both Kain and Kratos could with a punch kill half their enemies in one strike right? in mechanics Kain cant kill a single human sarafan warrior with less than about 5-10 hits with his sword…..also look at this, off-topic but cool, it also shows that Kain has no problem with “weakning” anyone before he turns them to mulch :)

    legacyofkain.wikia.com/wiki/Legacy_of_Kain:_Defiance_comic

    look through the gallery at the bottom, its pretty much the whole comic and shows some cool fight from Kain.

    —-

    “Outside of OBD and the other site saying the same thing.”

    The other site could for all either of us know be the same person, since their saying almost exactly the same they could be. Further, they could be like you, they may just agree with the OBD site or other sites just because a lot of people use it and go from there even if they dont have sources of their own. Thats not a good way to find the 100% truth is it?

    —-

    “Demitri wasn’t at 100 percent and the vampires work completely different so that amusing side note doesn’t really mean much”

    Well it does, its just funny. Hes a vampire who needs protection from something even the weak Nosgoth vampires take in their stride. Theres probably a lot of fun facts and truths behind how weak the Darkstalkers really are, but nonsense like “jedah can go FTL and bust planets” will apprently overturn them even without evidence.

    @Chaos Ridley

    Your right of course, not everything shown in a games gameplay or cutscene or vice versa is the same and some take liberties but generally cutscenes take presidence. But in games like Darkstalkers and many old games, their all gameplay mostly, with very little storyline in some of them which are fleshed in by comics and OVA’s which are not always canon anyway.

    hence why, when it comes to Darkstalkers, what their doing in-game should be discussed with a bit more effort than “speculated hypes” from fans since thats all we really have.

  64. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 6:40 pm -      #64

    @Ammo

    As an edit Ammo, your not going to convince me, or prove Jedah with more fan made wikis that may come from similair sources or people, e.g. outskirts or other popular sites. Something being said enough times does not make it true, weve all seen their sources, and theres no planet busting durability, power or light speed for any of them apart from probably full size Pyron.

  65. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 6:45 pm -      #65

    @Chaos

    I don’t really know much about the rest of Darkstalkers to speak to much on felicia and jon

  66. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 6:48 pm -      #66

    And you are not going to convince me other wise either so…….yea

  67. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 6:52 pm -      #67

    @Ammo

    I am not trying to convince you of feats not shown in any canon and official source, just that those sources dont exist which we have both seen.

    I am trying to point out that, it is whether either of us likes it or not a logical fallacy to belive a group of posters as evidence for a claim being true.

    Explain to me why jedah who is afraid of the human word and its not yet born champion does not just use his planet busting, FTL speed and all the other nonsense to wipe it out of excistence with a wave of his hand like you seem to belive he can? If he can so easily and idly wave his hand and eat billions of souls and destroy their world, why is he fearful and contemplating it?

    You have ot admit and concede, you cannot counter my 3 points here, these are not just my opinions.

  68. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 7:07 pm -      #68

    Kratos can dodge them is the thing,and who says jedah will just sit in the middle of all of them so he can get stoned since he can indeed fly

    I said what if they had a capcom source,not they definatly had one.

    Well since jedah has been planet level soul steal for a while now and capcom hasn’t said anything about it, speculation is speculation

    Before she is born jedah fears,something, about her. What does he fear?

    It seems logical to me

    So now its all the same person? going to each website and saying it. Again speculation,speculation

    So can I get a quote or vid of pyron saying this,because I think i missed it

    Yea he is know for soul stealing makai

    Obviously there is something about her that he can’t just steal her soul

    Seeing as i am seeing him stealing the souls of a dimension and others are saying so. yea

    You did indeed insult my intelligence.implying that I belive everything I read,so if you and friends claimed Kain was a star buster I would belive it. Even though I know he isn’t,And he is very well explained and shown to not be.

    Going of what has been shown,Souls being taken,large numbers of them. Bulidings exploding etc etc

    Yes I have read the comic already,Posted it on the Link and Ganon thread

    Seeing as Demitri can fight in the sun,at 80 percent by making a shield,can transform people etc etc and Nosgoth Vamps take centuries to get strong against sun light. Kain being a special case and all his kin

    But as said before Im not changing your opinion and you arent changing mine so I guess this thread will be abandonded. Untill something else comes into the light.
    -

  69. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 7:13 pm -      #69

    But you’re a poster,so what am i supposed to belive you?

    He is fearful obviously becuase she brings something else to the table,the title human doesn’t mean anything in the world of fiction
    -

  70. Chaos Ridley February 4, 2013 at 7:33 pm -      #70

    “the title human doesn’t mean anything in the world of fiction”

    Completely true. It always depend on the universe that human is in. Like Gurren Lagann for example, Simon’s pure willpower given him the strength to withstand a big bang. (I can show a clip of that if anyone like.)

  71. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 7:40 pm -      #71

    @Ammo

    “Kratos can dodge them is the thing,and who says jedah will just sit in the middle of all of them so he can get stoned since he can indeed fly”

    Good luck him flying in the hurricane winds and storms Zeus will be tossing his way, along with Helios tossing fireballs and thousands of other flying entites smashing him to bits, even if he can regen fast, he will be almost constnatly in piecies from the constant barrage, hes not going to be flying for long if at all. Thats when the gorogons come in.

    —–

    “I said what if they had a capcom source,not they definatly had one.”

    I think both of us must agree on one thing, “what if” is not evidence is it?

    ——

    “Well since jedah has been planet level soul steal for a while now and capcom hasn’t said anything about it, speculation is speculation”

    Not officially he hasnt, why would Capcom say anything? they dont care, they sold their game. No company is going to step in and tell their fans their wrong, theres countless of misconceptions in gameing no doubt, companies dont care as long as their games sell. You make it sound like Capcom is going to be furious if its fans overhype their charactres they made years ago to ridiculous levels.

    “Before she is born jedah fears,something, about her. What does he fear?”

    Thats not my point, you know its not. my point is HE DOES fear somethnig, it doesnt matter what it is. He does not immediatly with a flick of his hand destroyer the world before shes got a chance to be born.

    “It seems logical to me”

    It shouldnt be, it is by defintion a logical fallacy in debate.

    “So now its all the same person? going to each website and saying it. Again speculation,speculation”

    Could easily be, thats how fans work. And yes its speculation, although you seem to think speculation is more than a good enough reason to say somthing is fact so dont pull me up on it. Obviously theres no knowing, irrelevent really.

    —-

    “So can I get a quote or vid of pyron saying this,because I think i missed it”

    Its from your source;

    strategywiki.org/wiki/Darkstalkers/Characters/Pyron

    “he primarily adopts an human shape to be on equal footing with his opponent. He is very confident of his ability to defeat any opponent and wishes to give them a fighting chance by “coming down to their level” in order to fight. He simply assumes that he will naturally win any fight, and battles simply to put lower beings in their place.”

    Considering you just used it, I suppose that suffices. The game actually shows him at a small level as well, further if he went full speed and at full power, he would destroy Earth anyway. So clearly he is not.

    “Obviously there is something about her that he can’t just steal her soul”

    Proof? also I didnt just say her specifcally, if hes as powerful as you can claim he can kill Earth in an instant, no earth, no Anita., Seems he cant, not in the years it takes for her to grow up anyway.

    “Seeing as i am seeing him stealing the souls of a dimension and others are saying so. yea”

    Your seeing souls pour into a baby fetus from the demon world, nothing about “billions” or planets being destroyed or faster than light and any of that nonsense. If you can see the video mentioning billions of souls from the dimention that your “fan source” is talking about show me. We both know you cant.

    “You did indeed insult my intelligence.implying that I belive everything I read,so if you and friends claimed Kain was a star buster I would belive it. Even though I know he isn’t,And he is very well explained and shown to not be.”

    I meant to imply you belive everything you read on Jedah, regardless of sources. I used Kain because Kains shown no more capability to blow up stars, move faster than light or devour whole planets of their souls than Jedah has nor the ability to do it in a second. I apologise if I offended you, but you are getting more aggressive towards me, I sense some snarkyness here in some of these posts.

    —–

    “Yes I have read the comic already,Posted it on the Link and Ganon thread”

    Oh yes, its damn sweet.


    “Seeing as Demitri can fight in the sun,at 80 percent by making a shield,can transform people etc etc and Nosgoth Vamps take centuries to get strong against sun light. Kain being a special case and all his kin”

    Still amusing as strong as people think he is, he needs to make shields for himself just like an old vampire movie. nosgoth vamps are only weak to sunlight as children, the adults up to Kain and his suns are immune ,save of course Rahab who got owned in devolution.

    “But as said before Im not changing your opinion and you arent changing mine so I guess this thread will be abandonded. Untill something else comes into the light.”

    Maybe, but I dont know why your not convinced. If its a literal illogical fallacy to think X amount of people belive so, so it must be true;

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

    “In logic, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for “appeal to the people”) is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or most people believe it. In other words, the basic idea of the argument is: “If many believe so, it is so.””

    Your argument in this thread being those loads of people belive X, so you do too is logically, illogical :) I am not being arrogent in saying your opinion is wrong, it just logically is in a debate. No offence meant.

    I just cant see why you would belive information that has very sloppy sources if any at all. Do you dislike God of War and would prefer Jedah to destroy it easily?

    Also please in the future quote what I said if you reply to it, basically because I was pulled up on it earlier and it does make it easier to reply.

    @Chaos and Ammo

    I was simply making an ignorant comment on a character I dont know, what she is, is irrelvent in my argument at the moment though, I obviously admit being human is not a good reason to sign them off as nothing, hell one of my favourite universes Diablo has humans far more capable than some of its top tiers.

  72. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 7:46 pm -      #72

    Honestly since I can’t find the smallest iota of anything besides what has been posted.

    I might as as well concede.

    Kitten Lord,name doesn’t suggest it lol but you are indeed worthy debator

    Anybody else want to debate for Jedah they can but Im done

  73. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 7:48 pm -      #73

    Also Yea I will start quoting in my replies, I didn’t before becuase I didn’t want to take up to much space but If so will make relying easier then I will do so.

  74. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 7:50 pm -      #74

    @Ammo

    Aw thanks Ammo, I honestly did not mean to try and insult you at all. And soon hopefully we will be both be rooting for the vampires in the Link and Ganon thread?

    lol, you know that name comes from a video game name I used to use, in games you may not know like Command and conquer and Company of heroes (strategy games), my friends would always shake their heads at seeing “commander Kitten lord” :D

    I am probably done just about now as well unless any major evidence comes to light.

  75. Aelfinn February 4, 2013 at 7:56 pm -      #75

    Good debate going on here. Fairly logical as far as I can see.

    @Ammo
    Nice to see someone concede. Always good if someone is willing to back down.

    @Kitten Lord
    Good debating, with logical arguments. Good to see a rational newbie (you never can be sure).
    Couple of things I’d like to point out:
    1. You’ve got some long posts there, son. Condense it or something. Not every sentence needs replying to, just the main jist.
    2. You come off a bit confrontational. Not too much, mind. But angrily-phrased questions might put someone’s back up, and then you can have a shitstorm (trust me).

    But in terms of this actual fight… I think Jedah still might have a chance. It’s not like he’s plopped down in the middle with every single GoW enemy surrounding him. I mean, if Kratos of all people can effectively beat the entire GoW Universe, Jedah’s got a pretty good shot.

  76. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 7:57 pm -      #76

    I am easy to agitate,so im know for taking playful jest as insults no harm no foul,all on me lol

    I have heard of them never played though.

    There is supposed to be a new game coming out,when idk and will jedah be in it idk but hey heres hoping something comes from it.

  77. Amm0vamp1r3 February 4, 2013 at 8:00 pm -      #77

    I know when I am beaten,I don’t want another Wheel of time vs Sword of truth because I can’t back down lol.
    -

  78. Kitten Lord February 4, 2013 at 8:05 pm -      #78

    @Aelfinn

    “Couple of things I’d like to point out:
    1. You’ve got some long posts there, son. Condense it or something. Not every sentence needs replying to, just the main jist.
    2. You come off a bit confrontational. Not too much, mind. But angrily-phrased questions might put someone’s back up, and then you can have a shitstorm (trust me).”

    1. Your right but I just cannot help myself sometimes and if I dont do my best to reply in as full as i can, I fear I a may offend the person I am talking to because they may think I am just replying lazily.

    2. Again true but the longer I debate, the worst comes out of me, some people get really furious on here and start shouting and swearing though so I dont think ill ever get that far. I am generally good at keeping most of my cool and will attempt to keep it completly cool as possible.

    “But in terms of this actual fight… I think Jedah still might have a chance. It’s not like he’s plopped down in the middle with every single GoW enemy surrounding him. I mean, if Kratos of all people can effectively beat the entire GoW Universe, Jedah’s got a pretty good shot.”

    True true but then again, the GoW universe can move quickly, those that can fly move at reasonable speeds and Titans can carry whole armies on their bodies what with their size and cross miles with single steps. I dont think Kratos could face the whole verse on his own. But I digress, I think ill leave this thread mostly.

  79. Negative Zero February 5, 2013 at 2:09 am -      #79

    Looks like OBD wikis are the new standard of presenting info……

  80. Khazit February 5, 2013 at 12:49 pm -      #80

    Well, GoW auto lose. ’cause currently all god-demigod-half god but possibly Kratos have been died

  81. Kitten Lord February 5, 2013 at 1:08 pm -      #81

    @Khazit

    “Well, GoW auto lose. ’cause currently all god-demigod-half god but possibly Kratos have been died”

    hehe :), that would be true I guess if we take it literally but I like to think the OP means at their strongest, e.g. GoW 3, if the match is literally puting him against the scant remains after GoW 3.

  82. Hereticus February 5, 2013 at 2:25 pm -      #82

    I’m searching for 2 h now and theres almost nothing on Jedah. Actually i have no idea from where the lore about him comes from, as far as i know it can be completely fan made. I’ll check Darkstalkers UDON comic, the animated series from 1995 and movie series from 1997 and if there is no mention of him there i have no idea where to look. The only possible feats might be to get Pyron data and calculate from there since at his strongest is Pyron Ds3 victory where Jedah absorbs him (that is in the cut scene so its an anchor point) but its a real long shot. bbl

  83. Hereticus February 5, 2013 at 8:58 pm -      #83

    Nothing, not even mention of him in any of those works. It would seem that people debate him when all the info about him is his introduction, victory screen and moveset from a fighting game … thats quite unnerving tbh

  84. Kitten Lord February 5, 2013 at 9:04 pm -      #84

    @Hereticus

    Indeed, I thought so. hence why I constantly pushed the point that Jedahs not really that powerful. His fans, of which there may be a few must be pretty gifted in making some of these powers up from basically nothing. Or powerscaling to the end of time! Al we know ,is he can spray blood around, has a great healing factor and can slice people. Sure he can take souls, maybe even damage buildings, but faster than light ,busting planets….etc etc, nadah….

  85. Hereticus February 5, 2013 at 9:21 pm -      #85

    He can also do some major mindfuckery since he cheats Pyrion from his own victory and possesses him in it.

    Pyrion in the japanese series movie at one time segments his body into a kind of sun ships to bomb cities and force fighters to fight him, and those ships at one moment circle the globe in around 1s (they basically orbit earth). Since light in 1 s would travel 7.48 equators that means Pyrions greatest show of speed is around 1/7 C.

    He needs to have some kind of FTL through since he is a stellar being, and its shown as he closes to earth but there is no point of comparison to even roughly determine his speed.

    He also boasts that he can melt planet at will but its only boasting …

  86. Amm0vamp1r3 February 5, 2013 at 9:27 pm -      #86

    Pyron can blow up planets,Jedah is vague so yea……..I dont know

  87. Hereticus February 5, 2013 at 9:38 pm -      #87

    Well Pyron himself said that he can blow planet, he is never shown to do so.

    There is also this page about Jedah:

    deadliestfictionalwarrior.wikispaces.com/file/view/079_1.jpg/278514152/576×937/079_1.jpg

    but other than physical attributes and his age rest is really hard to read :/

    I have found some info about Darkstalkers lore and land of Makai (the one witch Jedah supposedly absorbed) but until i find its source its fanfick for me

  88. Amm0vamp1r3 February 5, 2013 at 9:45 pm -      #88

    I recall seeing pyron meld with a planet and blow it up but I cant find the vid so yea

  89. Amm0vamp1r3 February 5, 2013 at 10:14 pm -      #89

    lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-forum/respect-darkstalkersmakai-world-59826/

    Shows good feats for pyron and him devouring his planet

  90. Hereticus February 5, 2013 at 10:26 pm -      #90

    I get that Makai history everywhere only no one gives source. All Vampire Savior games up to Vampire Savior 2 (Darkstalkers 3 in us) were released as arcades and had no lore whatsoever, only those short character intros and victory screens.

    This baffles me, capcom either posted this in some magazine, in some interview or they released some artbook that got translated but everyone does not mention that anymore…

    So we now have proof that Pyron is a planet buster. Since for this scenario we go with strongest Jedah possible i propose this: In Pyron victory its stated that be go fucked and will soon be absorbed by Jedah. Jedah – Pyron will also be planet buster so he just melts earth with GoW pantheon on it. The problem here is that Hades will survive i think but at least now we have an anchor point …

  91. Hereticus February 5, 2013 at 10:32 pm -      #91

    Oh boy, i just struck gold:

    www.yuzuriha.sakura.ne.jp/~akikan/honyaku1.html

    This info here (like in most found links) is like i thought unofficial translation of book that Capcom released in japan only, everything found there is valid as its Capcom work.

    on Jedah

    Jedah is the master of the Dohma family. His title is the “Lord of Death of anxiety.”
    The youngest master of the three lords; Jedah is over 6000 years old. Jedah lets his liquid body change in every shape. If he absorbs the soul of another, he can increase his power in but a moment.
    He was always anxious about the future of the world that is Makai. Makai grows old, and it is decaying, it is because an onlooker like Berial controls this world.
    Berial is probably the man who said it was “the life” and the “the destiny” that wasn’t minded. Berial is the foreign substance that must not exist for Jedah. He looked for the method to imprison Berial securely, and waited for the opportunity to strike.

    After Garunan(lord of ghost) dies, just.Ozomu was the young confidant of Jedah.
    He was an gourmet.
    It was “Eat a delicious soul.” benefit that he became the men of Jedah.
    Though ability was the minor, he was the master who deceived others.
    He was genius about using others.
    He advised Jedah about the way of using “the gate of Makai”.
    Because it was confident, he agreed on the opinion.
    He demanded “Break a part of the seal” to Ozomu to open a door more widely.
    He saw enormous magical power flow like a river.
    “If this is absorbed at a time, a strong demon like Jedah must ruin himself.”
    He thought it to be the good opportunity for one to become the master.
    Ozomu backed and told a lie to his master.
    “Because little magical power flowed, I must destroy all seals.”
    Then, he ran away to the frontier after all the seals were destroyed.

    He thought.
    If he ruins himself, I can rise in life.
    Possibly, I may be able to absorb the magical power that he was left, too.
    Then, his plot succeeded.
    Jedah’s permissible level was bigger than Ozomu predicted,and all magical power seemed to be absorbed by Jedah.
    But, even if it was a result, Ozomu didn’t have damage at all.
    Jedah broke up because it exceeded his limit.
    He gather the magical power scattered widely, and stored it in Dohma castle.
    He became the new master of Dohma family, the emperor Ozomu.

    Then,100 years passed.Jedah revived in Makai.The world was wild, and nobles were repeating foolish plunder.He was anxious about it.
    Jedah felt a pity more than anger toward Ozomu who betrayed him.
    He had the plan.
    The relief that his perfect restoration and all souls are perfect.
    Majigen which therefore is the stage is necessary.
    Jedah got off to Dohma castle, and saw Ozomu momentarily, and held his one hand.He had enough power to remove Ozomu(the dunce of the epicure affectation) though it wasn’t recovered completely.
    Ozomu was frightened and stares at Jedah and keeps silent.
    “Ozomu,Would you help me? Your soul becomes the foundation of Majigen, and useful for the future of Makai.”
    Dohma castle was sunk with Ozomu at the bottom of the dark space which warped.
    It was the beginning of his “save the world”.

    Theres more about him there but im tired and and im going to sleep. will check tomorrow

  92. Amm0vamp1r3 February 6, 2013 at 2:42 pm -      #92

    That is a good find

  93. Hereticus February 6, 2013 at 6:27 pm -      #93

    aaaaaaaand the thread died >.>

  94. Amm0vamp1r3 February 6, 2013 at 6:32 pm -      #94

    I think it dies because of a few reasons:

    1) kitten lord was the only one defending GoW so when he gets back then,it may pick back up

    2) Jedah is feat less unless we use OBD which I was trying to do. Even though you have found something which could change that.

    3)And Either way its a stomp I think,If feats for Jedah is found with feats he is claimed to have then he stomps. If he doesn’t and we can only use what he shows in games then GoW stomps

  95. Laharl February 7, 2013 at 6:56 am -      #95

    Pyron can wear solar systems as rings on his fingers if he wants.

  96. Laharl February 7, 2013 at 7:02 am -      #96

    But really GoW?
    What is it going to do?

  97. Kitten Lord February 7, 2013 at 7:59 am -      #97

    @Hereticus

    “He can also do some major mindfuckery since he cheats Pyrion from his own victory and possesses him in it. ”

    All that really proves is that Jedah can possess in some form and that Pyron is weak/has no resistance to possession. This does not help with actual feats for fighting, if he wants to try and possess a GoW character fine but all hes going to end up doing is taking years to kill each one, hoping the others dont just imprison/stone that one character. Also its specifics are vague on the possesion, its not enough to assume he can do so on a whim, as I said before the timeframe in those games is hard to discern, only thing we can assume is that by the end of the DSker game its been at least as long as it would take to beat all the other darkstalkers.

    —-

    Pyron absorbs planets and wears them for rings and while in a fetal position can travel across the universe but theres no specifics on how he fights, if he can fight at FTL+ then it would be handy if this was a Pyron thread, but its not. This is Jedah, and Jedah can apparently attack from long distances or from his Demon realm which is not in this fight anyway. The only truth we know is that Pyron was inlfuenced but from what little i know of pyron hes just a huge powerhouse, not the sharpest tool in the shed, he can only arrogently claim and state things about how impressive he is, and even then he gets absorbed by Demitri iirc.

    “This info here (like in most found links) is like i thought unofficial translation of book that Capcom released in japan only, everything found there is valid as its Capcom work.”

    This looks like some form of confirmation on his storyline but not those crazy hyped feats from the OBD.

    @Laharl

    “But really GoW?
    What is it going to do?”

    As I said before, turn him to stone, blast him with lightning, slow him in time, someone who has recently played the GoW series would probably bring up more but Jedah is faceing hundreds and thousands of enemies. And most of them have hax to bring him down, like stone. Together, they could keep him where they want him, e.g. smashed up into bloody bits on the floor, cosntantly trying to regen against hundreds of titans jumping on him.

    A better quesiton is what is the featless Jedah going to do? Even in light of some of this new information, Jedah is nothing without assuming he has anything near Pyrons capability.

    Ammo just above me outlined the thread so far. I dont see it getting better, I have not read your source Herecticus page to page so if it says Jedah is FTL and can bust planets there maye he can win. I am more up for fighting against Jedahs assumed power that he may not have, than fighting for a GoW win, which will be the default if Jedah has no feats beyond a good regen.

  98. Hereticus February 7, 2013 at 11:10 am -      #98

    Confirmed feats for Jedah (from the official capcom book “All about Vampire Savior):

    His body is liquid (blood ?) and can take any shape

    Has instantaneous and unlimited regeneration. If completely destroyed will be reborn in around 100 years (plot armor ?), its unconnected to his mission. His first death is before he created the god fetus.

    He can absorb any soul and when he does he can increase his power that way (described as instantaneous)

    last time he was destroyed it happened because Jedah tried to absorb a magical torrent of unlimited (infinite?) power. The succeeded but in the end the power burned him from the inside.

    He is a master of dimentional warping. He creates a very special dimension with its own laws just for the “god fetus”. And when he is reborn he warps his home castle into unknown dimension (with everyone in it).

    possesses some thaumaturgical powers, he created Liliths body in his demon dimension for morrigans dormant power to enter.



    thats all in the book i think. That also puts some info about his ending for me (it makes sense at least now). That box at which he raises his hands is the gate that connects demon and human words and he sucks souls for his demon dimension through it would seem from his words that unlike what everybody was saying, he destroys earth to gather souls for his perfect demon world. Thats not a proper feat unless we agree to pick this ending through ;:/

  99. Kitten Lord February 7, 2013 at 11:20 am -      #99

    @Hereticus

    Is all this from the source above? I cannot find Jedah on that page, can you show me the link please so I can read about him from the source? thanks.

    “His body is liquid (blood ?) and can take any shape”

    The only combat ability that may be useful is the one we know already really, the blood thing.

    “He can absorb any soul and when he does he can increase his power that way (described as instantaneous)”

    Also could be useful but we know he can absorb souls, and I think it was said in the bio that it instantly increases his power but what is his method? Does it say what he does to do this? Does he cast magic, wave his hand, touch? Maybe he has to phyiscally kill an opponent first to absorb the soul. Its one o those vague powers.


    “He is a master of dimentional warping. He creates a very special dimension with its own laws just for the “god fetus”. And when he is reborn he warps his home castle into unknown dimension (with everyone in it).”

    From the storyline I think he may have needed his servants soul to produce that dimention though, I was not aware he created it on a whim without that soul?

    These feats/endings are still fairly vague and this is only if we are certain which ending is canon. The timeframes are also all over the place, we stil dont know how fast he is, and what he can do while tens of thousands of enemies are smashing him, beating him, blasting him and stoneing him etc.

  100. Hereticus February 7, 2013 at 11:29 am -      #100

    its in the link i provided

    www.yuzuriha.sakura.ne.jp/~akikan/honyaku1.html

    just ctrl-f Jedah, some of it was in the history of the continent i believe and one was in lilith section

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