Darth Bane Vs Darth Nihilus Vs Darth Revan

Darth Bane Vs Darth Nihilus Vs Darth Revan

Suggested by Marcel

Here we have a three-way Star Wars battle pitting Darth Bane, Darth Nihilus and Darth Revan all confronting each other.

Scenario 1:
The fight to decide the ultimate Dark Lord of the Sith of the Old Republic!
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Scenario 2:
The winner will face a surprise scenario after his victory; summoned by a Force Storm, he will travel to the future to face off against EU Darth Sidious.

Will the Old Republic powerhouse have what it takes, or become one with the Dark Side through death?

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122 Comments on "Darth Bane Vs Darth Nihilus Vs Darth Revan"

  1. Dark God of Chaos March 9, 2013 at 7:24 am -      #1

    Congrats on your first match, Marcel

    Anyways couldn’t Nihilus just speak and kill the other two just like that? Jw

  2. jackn8r March 9, 2013 at 7:38 am -      #2

    This comes down to just Revan vs Nihilus. My gut wants to say Revan, but I think Nihilus planet eating definitely wins.

  3. BillDing March 9, 2013 at 7:47 am -      #3

    Sidious wins round two.

  4. Shgon Dunstan March 9, 2013 at 7:47 am -      #4

    While Nihilus likely has it on “feats”, one should remember, that though we don’t know *how* he did it, somehow Revan managed to be “Dark Lord of the Sith” while Nihilus was a sith.

    That fact would suggest that Revan had some counter to his ability wouldn’t you think?

  5. jackn8r March 9, 2013 at 8:15 am -      #5

    “That fact would suggest that Revan had some counter to his ability wouldn’t you think?”

    No, it wouldn’t have me think that. The title doesn’t give any indication as to who has what abilities.

  6. Blood Dancer March 9, 2013 at 8:22 am -      #6

    “While Nihilus likely has it on “feats”, one should remember, that though we don’t know *how* he did it,”

    .

    Let’s see…we know that he is a Wound in the Force and because of that he is constantly hungry and needs to consume life to survive. Hence, eating planets alike. His crew are basically mindless zombies because he either ‘ate’ them or is in the process of doing so.

    “somehow Revan managed to be “Dark Lord of the Sith” while Nihilus was a sith.”

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    Wow…so title equals strength and ability nowadays? By that Logic Vegeta would be stronger than Goku…After all, he is the Prince of all Sayans.

    Also, Nihilus was a Dark Lord of The Sith, reigning together with BOTH Sion and Kreia…before betraying the latter – with Sion’s help.

    “That fact would suggest that Revan had some counter to his ability wouldn’t you think?”

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    Is Revan a wound in the Force? I don’t recall him being one…now his apprenctice, Meetra Surik (AKA The Jedi Exile) was one and that’s how she *managed* to survive and defeat Nihilus.

    I’ll go scour my guides for more on Nihilus

  7. Shgon Dunstan March 9, 2013 at 8:29 am -      #7

    @Blood Dancer
    “Let’s see…we know that he is a Wound in the Force and because of that he is constantly hungry and needs to consume life to survive. Hence, eating planets alike. His crew are basically mindless zombies because he either ‘ate’ them or is in the process of doing so.”

    ……The “though we don’t know *how* he did it” was *clearly* about Revan.

    “Wow…so title equals strength and ability nowadays?”

    Among the Sith? Hell yeah, it’s kind of their whole thing….. How the hell could you of missed that? :?

    “Is Revan a wound in the Force?”

    No, but he was a master of “Force bonds”, which is what Nihilus power ultimately is in the end.

  8. Blood Dancer March 9, 2013 at 8:42 am -      #8

    “The “though we don’t know *how* he did it” was *clearly* about Revan”

    .
    This is what you wrote:

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    ” While Nihilus likely has it on “feats”, one should remember, that though we don’t know *how* he did it,”

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    How is that about Revan? That’s clearly about Nihilus.

    “Among the Sith? Hell yeah, it’s kind of their whole thing….. How the hell could you of missed that? ”

    .

    Sure…you also missed the part about Nihilus being a Dark Lord of the Sith himself.

    “No, but he was a master of “Force bonds”, which is what Nihilus power ultimately is in the end.”

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    I’ll take that as no. And no, Nihilus’s power is not that in the end. His power is about destruction and consumption.

  9. Blood Dancer March 9, 2013 at 8:52 am -      #9

    Also, Nihilus could just sever both Bane’s and Revan’s connections to the Force and be done with them.

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    “Force Powers Known (Use of the Force +21): Battle Strike, Dark Rage, Farseeing, Force Grip, Force, Lighting, Force Resistance, Force Scream, Force Whirlwind, sever Force (…)

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    Force Techniques: Force Power Mastery (Sever Force), Improved Sense Force, Improved Sense Surroundings”

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    Source: Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide

  10. Shgon Dunstan March 9, 2013 at 9:16 am -      #10

    @Blood Dancer
    “This is what you wrote:”

    No, what I wrote was ” one should remember, that though we don’t know *how* he did it, somehow Revan managed to be “Dark Lord of the Sith” while Nihilus was a sith.”.

    It was about Revan, not Nihilus.

    “Sure…you also missed the part about Nihilus being a Dark Lord of the Sith himself.”

    But only after Revan had already left(hell, after Malak was dead), which would say there was something stopping him from becoming it before that.

    “I’ll take that as no. And no, Nihilus’s power is not that in the end. His power is about destruction and consumption.”

    Actually that(using Force bonds to pull in the Force of the target) is exactly what his power was, as Kreia explained.

  11. Blood Dancer March 9, 2013 at 9:28 am -      #11

    “one should remember, that though we don’t know *how* he did it, somehow Revan managed to be “Dark Lord of the Sith” while Nihilus was a sith.””

    .

    Nihilus became a Sith later…

    “which would say there was something stopping him from becoming it before that.”

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    Yeah, him being trained by Kreia most likely.

    .

    Herein lies the irony because while, Nihilus did have competitors – according to your logic – Revan found an empty throne, so to say.

    “Actually that(using Force bonds to pull in the Force of the target) is exactly what his power was, as Kreia explained.”

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    Oh, yes, My bad. Still, the bonds created are different in their nature. Nihilus are destructive so to say as where the Exiles…hence this quote from Master Vrook Lamar: “You are a breach that must be closed. You transmit your pain, your suffering through the Force. Within you we see something worse than the teachings of the Sith. What you carry may mean the death of the Force… and the death of the Jedi.”

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    Again, Nihilus is a wound, and Revan isn’t…you can’t go around that. And Revan has no counter for that. The lore is clear on this one…The Exile beat Nihilus because he could not consume her…as she was what he was – Nothing, a wound, a void…take your pick

  12. Blood Dancer March 9, 2013 at 9:30 am -      #12

    “Nihilus became a Sith later…” as he was busy sating his hunger until Kreia found him and began training him.

  13. Marcel March 9, 2013 at 10:40 am -      #13

    Oh, wow, it’s up! Thank you, Admin!

    I wouldn’t necessarily count Bane out of this fight just yet. He wasn’t “the chosen one” of the Sith for nothing. He knows many of Revan’s own techniques and Force abilitites to to finding and mastering Revan’s holocron. Those orbalisks in his body also augment his powers and make him lightsaber-proof (not that this fight will actually come down to lightsabers anyways…)

  14. Nomad March 9, 2013 at 11:16 am -      #14

    My boy Revan! Awesome match. Well I have some quotes I can pull from the Revan novel. I’ll see if anything stands out.

  15. Virgil March 9, 2013 at 11:19 am -      #15

    Love this match :)
    I will reserve judgement until more quotes about their abilities have been brought up. Love all these guys though, some of the best characters in SW I know of… Got to love, KOTOR…

  16. Nomad March 9, 2013 at 11:21 am -      #16

    “Got to love, KOTOR…”

    Amen to that. Revan is hands down one of my top five SW characters.

  17. Crimson Sentry March 9, 2013 at 11:24 am -      #17

    @everyone
    Nihilus takes this with ease, the only way to defeat him is to disconnect yourself from the force if you are fighting him with it.

    This is the only reason why he dies in canon (it’s a LOT of PIS bullshit and because of the fast he is severely weakened, play KOTR 2 if you don’t believe me:
    During his confrontation with the Exile, Marr, and Mandalore, Nihilus attempted to absorb Surik’s Force energy, but failed and exhausted himself because of Surik’s ability to draw on the Force energy of those around her. They engaged in a brief duel, with the Dark Lord seemingly too strong to defeat. Marr entered a trance and disrupted her link with her former Master, undermining his connection to the Force through their Force bond. This weakened Nihilus enough that the trio was able to kill him.

    The man is literally galactus, he consumes planets with a word, the downside to that ability is that if he uses it on non-force sensitive people it drains him instead of feeds him, in this scenario with two powerful force users he can literally drain them of the force if not kill them outright

    The only way Nihilus could actually be defeated legitimately is from EU luke who can disconnect himself from the force, but still use it(makes no fucking sense but happened).

    He would still kick EU Sidious’s ass, because he is a rapist.

  18. Crimson Sentry March 9, 2013 at 11:47 am -      #18

    Another thing that would help him in at least defeating Darth Bane, is that he by himself can disconnect people from the force, and I don’t mean small frys, he disconnected his Sith Lord master Darth Kreia from the force by himself, albeit him and Bane were fighting her simultaneousely, but Bane had nothing to do with the disconnection. Anyway, with this ability it is possible for him to disconnect bane form the force or drain him enough to where is undyingness ceases to function since he has no force to draw on. In actuality I think Darth Revan is the weak link in the match, not because he’s not awesome (which he is), but because Darth Nihilus is OP and Bane can’t die unless you make him feel something other than RRAAGGEEE, which the Exile did using plot hax.

  19. The Guardian(s) of the Galaxy in the TARDIS March 9, 2013 at 11:55 am -      #19

    I’m curious but did Nihilus and Revan actually encounter each other in canon? I’ve been trying to find more info on it and can’t find any?

    aside from that, Nihilus likely does a clean sweep, unless Revan can be proved to have a way to smack him down and Nihilus only left him alone out of respect to the rank. And as has been said the only post Old Republic Force user with a chance of fighting him one on one is Grandmaster Luke god of the light side Skywalker and his abilities Oneness, Wall of Light, and Force Disconnect. Now that would be an epic fight…which I’m pretty sure I’ve suggested.
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    @Marcel
    congrats on the match

  20. jackn8r March 9, 2013 at 1:42 pm -      #20

    “Among the Sith? Hell yeah, it’s kind of their whole thing….. How the hell could you of missed that? ”

    Title doesn’t mean he auto-wins…
    Fact is, his force abilities are above that of Revan’s. If I remember correctly Revan is the better swordsman, but Nihilus’ force owns.

  21. Shgon Dunstan March 9, 2013 at 1:47 pm -      #21

    @jackn8r
    “Title doesn’t mean he auto-wins…
    Fact is, his force abilities are above that of Revan’s. If I remember correctly Revan is the better swordsman, but Nihilus’ force owns.”

    Everything else aside, Revan is better then him at a lot of things….

    Honestly, Nihilus is a bit of a weakling when you take away his big trick, which is odd for someone who ripped a whole wreck of a ship off a world with TK, and then flew it through space willing it not to fall apart.

  22. Nomad March 9, 2013 at 2:11 pm -      #22

    Is the Mandalore, Canderous Ordo?! :o

  23. Marcel March 9, 2013 at 2:13 pm -      #23

    “Nihilus takes this with ease, the only way to defeat him is to disconnect yourself from the force if you are fighting him with it.”

    Didn’t Bane pull something like that off against Zannah?

    “aside from that, Nihilus likely does a clean sweep, unless Revan can be proved to have a way to smack him down”

    Again, I think perhaps there is a little bit of underestimation concerning Darth bane here. The guy has knowledge of most of Revan’s techniques in addition to being able to actually perform them, plus a suit of armour that actually enhances those abilities. Oh, out of curiosity, has Nihilus ever attacked/devoured an individual that can separate their consciousness/soul from their body and still keep fighting?

  24. Shgon Dunstan March 9, 2013 at 2:19 pm -      #24

    @Marcel
    “Again, I think perhaps there is a little bit of underestimation concerning Darth bane here. The guy has knowledge of most of Revan’s techniques in addition to being able to actually perform them, plus a suit of armour that actually enhances those abilities. Oh, out of curiosity, has Nihilus ever attacked/devoured an individual that can separate their consciousness/soul from their body and still keep fighting?”

    Oh, good point, isn’t Nihilus basically a Force ghost inhabiting a suit of armor?

  25. Marcel March 9, 2013 at 2:27 pm -      #25

    “Oh, good point, isn’t Nihilus basically a Force ghost inhabiting a suit of armor?”

    That seems to be what the canon says here:

    “Visas: He is a wound in the Force, more presence than flesh, and in his wake life dies… sacrificing itself to his hunger.”

    And here:

    “You have taken this trophy from the remains of Darth Nihilus – it is the last surviving piece of the beast who died and was reborn in the shattered world of Malachor V.”

    @ Guardian

    “congrats on the match”

    Haha, thx, man. Almost two years of thinking of possibilitites and still I had never suggested anything until a couple months ago…so it’s mostly my own fault, I guess, lol

  26. Motor314 March 9, 2013 at 6:57 pm -      #26

    oh my this will definetly be an exciting match. :)

  27. The Geek Lord March 9, 2013 at 8:17 pm -      #27

    ABOUT TIME BANE GOT A MATCH
    Well, idk much about Revan, and even though I love Bane, isn’t Nihilus the Thanos of the SW universe?
    I mean, heck, Bane wouldn’t even have the Orbilisk armor anymore, right? And without it, he was kind of just an average Sith lord, with some wicked force lightning but nothing too special…
    Could someone enlighten me as to Revan’s abilities?

  28. The Geek Lord March 9, 2013 at 8:18 pm -      #28

    I stand corrected, Bane has had two matches on FP before. Whoops.

  29. Dark God of Chaos March 9, 2013 at 8:25 pm -      #29

    Nihilus is capable of life wiping entire planets just by speaking for starters and can telekinetically manhandle starships in the super gravity wells of Malachor V

    Physically he’s kind of featless beyond dubious powerscaling

  30. Blood Dancer March 9, 2013 at 8:34 pm -      #30

    No they didn’t meet…and no, if all Bane has is knowledge of Revan who wasn’t even around when Nihilus – I Can’t stress this enough: who can only be killed by someone like him; Meetra Surik AKA the Exile – Then Bane won’t do a damn thing and neither can Revan…as Nihilus will automatically eat them. He died in KOTOR II because of PIS…and we remove that in FP.

    “Nihilus only left him alone out of respect to the rank”
    .

    What the hell man…he too was a Sith Lord…like Kaan, Exar Kun, Uliq Qel-Droma, Darth Krayt and so and so…Point is: He, Kreia and Sion were legitamate Sith Lords (or Dark Lords of the Sith, if you prefer)

    Now, Bring on Palpatine. The Lord of Hunger awaits!

  31. The Guardian(s) of the Galaxy in the TARDIS March 9, 2013 at 9:00 pm -      #31

    I was just trying to figure out why he wouldn’t have fought Revan. I reiterate I don’t really know the characters.

  32. Marcel March 9, 2013 at 9:40 pm -      #32

    “No they didn’t meet…and no, if all Bane has is knowledge of Revan”

    WORKING knowledge of Revan; aka knowing Revan’s techniques and fully capable of performing them. Very different from just studying your opponent.

    “Nihilus – I Can’t stress this enough: who can only be killed by someone like him; Meetra Surik AKA the Exile – Then Bane won’t do a damn thing and neither can Revan…as Nihilus will automatically eat them. He died in KOTOR II because of PIS…and we remove that in FP.”

    So Nihilus kills people by disconnecting them from the Force, right? Nobody has yet answered my question regarding Nihilus’ ability to combat someone capable of transferred consciousness and essence. Can he devour something like that?

  33. Blood Dancer March 9, 2013 at 9:58 pm -      #33

    “So Nihilus kills people by disconnecting them from the Force, right? Nobody has yet answered my question regarding Nihilus’ ability to combat someone capable of transferred consciousness and essence. Can he devour something like that?”

    He can just devour them from the offset…

  34. Marcel March 9, 2013 at 10:24 pm -      #34

    “He can just devour them from the offset…”

    Really?

    “Kreia: it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes.”

    It seems as though a disconnection has to happen first in order for him to feed.

    Also:

    “The Master suffers… If he can not feed, then the hunger begins to consume him The planet Telos… He may feed on something upon its surface to sustain himself a while longer.”

    And:

    “If there are no Jedi here, then my Lord cannot feed his hunger. He will destroy the planet, the station… he will cleanse it of life. …and if there are no Jedi below, he will have no other choice.”

    Didn’t Sion withstand Nihilus’ power in a duel against him? Please correct me if I am wrong, but these quotes seem to suggest that powerful Darksiders seems to be…resistant to Nihilus’ abilities. Again, I am just going on the quotes I could find; if you can find any that contradict my statement, please post!

  35. Soulerous March 9, 2013 at 11:07 pm -      #35

    If his hunger cannot be resisted, how did Darth Nihilus die?

  36. TheSorrow March 9, 2013 at 11:13 pm -      #36

    If his hunger cannot be resisted, how did Darth Nihilus die?

    PIS, lots and lots of PIS.

  37. Soulerous March 9, 2013 at 11:38 pm -      #37

    Man, I hate when that’s the case.

  38. The Guardian(s) of the Galaxy in the TARDIS March 9, 2013 at 11:41 pm -      #38

    yeah probably the only guy in Star Wars that could put Nihilus down one on one is EU Luke Skywalker, and that would be a close ass battle that would likely level the battlefield.

  39. Marcel March 9, 2013 at 11:44 pm -      #39

    So…can anyone at all answer the question? lol

  40. Dark God of Chaos March 9, 2013 at 11:45 pm -      #40

    “yeah probably the only guy in Star Wars that could put Nihilus down one on one is EU Luke Skywalker, and that would be a close ass battle that would likely level the battlefield.”

    This

  41. The Guardian(s) of the Galaxy in the TARDIS March 9, 2013 at 11:50 pm -      #41

    @Stealth
    note I did say one on one, if Bane and Revan team up, who knows. Question is what would they be able to do to put down Nihilus, how exactly was Nihilus put down in canon?

    off topic but Stealth I put that iceberg feat I mentioned up on Sephiroth vs Dresden.

  42. Professor ParaLowk March 10, 2013 at 12:21 am -      #42

    So I looked this over and just realized Nihilus actually was destroying stuff in addition to galactusing. Is that like with TK or just a side effect of what he’s doing?
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  43. Blood Dancer March 10, 2013 at 11:10 am -      #43

    “Didn’t Sion withstand Nihilus’ power in a duel against him? ”

    that was cut-off from game. Still, Sion survived because Nihilus WISHED IT so – The source is a defunct forum called Team Gizka.

    Still, a youtube Link exists: www.youtube.com/watch?v=IobIhctxRXg

    “PIS, lots and lots of PIS.”

    .

    Yep, that’s what happens when you create God-like enemies in games.

    And now: quotes…
    .

    “He is a wound in the Force, more presence than flesh, and in his wake life dies… sacrificing itself to his hunger.” – Visas Marr, KOTOR II

    .

    “The less said of that one, the better—even a stray thought may draw him.” – Kreia, KOTOR II

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    “There is no strength in the hunger he possesses… and the will behind his power is a primal thing. And it devours him as he devours others—his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls.” – Kreia, KOTOR II

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    “He cares nothing for the Sith or its teachings… or the Jedi. And when the Jedi are dead, he will feed on the galaxy, the Republic, and eventually, consume the Sith as well.” – Kreia, KOTOR II

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    “The extent of his power cannot be put into words… and his perceptions have grown as well. To him…”
    “You are dust motes in a storm… a grain upon the beach… and as insignificant as a body that orbits the graveyard of Malachor.” – Tobin and Visas Marr, KOTOR II

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    “When the armor was transported to Korriban for burial, his spirit traveled with it, and the connection to Korriban’s dark side nexus allowed the spirit of Nihilus to maintain contact with the physical world.”
    – The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia (This and Kreia’s quote about him being dead and not knowing pretty much implies that he can’t be permanently put down)

  44. Blood Dancer March 10, 2013 at 11:17 am -      #44

    ” Is that like with TK or just a side effect of what he’s doing?”

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    Can be both. All things whither away anyways…he could just have accelerated the process. Which goes to show just how powerful he really is.

  45. Praetor Prefect (who knows where his towel is) March 10, 2013 at 2:19 pm -      #45

    Can’t believe I overlooked this match! Best one in a while, but I think Nihilus takes it, as he was defeated by a being like him (void in the force). Iirc, Revan was described as the opposite, like a shining beacon in the force. I dunno about Bane, but I think Revan will have a tough time. I think Palpy loses to any of the three.

  46. Motor314 March 10, 2013 at 2:30 pm -      #46

    @praetor
    you are right, Palapitne stand no chance at all against any of these.

    in any case I am very torn on this one.

    Bane is like EU Luke, a insane unstoppable force storm of dark energy slaughtering everything and anyone that comes in his way.

    Revan in my opinion can be a match for EU luke. Revan is very powerful and haxed, what with all his life draining force powers.

    Darth nihulus, well you get the idea.

    It is very hard to tell. we know Darth bane is weak against mind domination, Since that is how his apprentice killed him. Darth Revan has the highest resistance, since he resisted the EMpereor’s mind domination and we don’t know about Nihilus in terms of midn domination.

    This is a hard battle in my opinion

  47. Blood Dancer March 10, 2013 at 3:05 pm -      #47

    Nihilus rejected Kreia’s teachings and beliefs…hell, he rejected anything save his hunger.

    “There is no strength in the hunger he possesses… and the will behind his power is a primal thing. And it devours him as he devours others—his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls.” – Kreia, KOTOR II

    .

    He’s no longer human but an entity hunger…the Game’s campaign guide refers to him as a Dark Side aberration.

  48. BillDing March 10, 2013 at 5:20 pm -      #48

    “I think Palpy loses to any of the three.”
    “you are right, Palapitne stand no chance at all against any of these.”
    I hope you guys aren’t talking about Palpatine in one of his reborn bodies, you know, the same Palpatine that did Nihilus’s thing to Byss, could reduce people to ash with his force lighting, and could conjure up, and eventually control force storms capable of destroying fleets as well as a planet’s surface. He only lost control of his final force storms because of a combined effort by Luke and Leia. I hope you don’t mean the same Sidious who was described as “a black hole of the dark side” (sound familiar) by Tyrannus, and could rip apart the very fabric of space.

  49. Motor314 March 10, 2013 at 5:24 pm -      #49

    @billding
    when did palpatine rip the very fabric of space? and what does that even mean?

  50. BillDing March 10, 2013 at 6:06 pm -      #50

    That one bit wasn’t something he did, but something the writer for the Dark Empire comics said he could do. The rest he straight up did in Dark Empire (though Tyrannus describes even his old weak form as a black hole of the dark side, though his physical form probably doesn’t impact his presence in the force).
    Still, anything Revan or Bane do even comparable to Sidious reborn?

  51. Praetor Prefect (who knows where his towel is) March 10, 2013 at 6:53 pm -      #51

    @BillDing
    But Nihilus feeds off of beings like Palpatine. The more force power at one location, the more he is drawn to it. That is how he mustered the power to kill and devour all of the Jedi on Katarr. Nearly everyone on the planet was force sensitive. That’s why Revan would most likely lose to Nihilus, as he is just the thing Nihilus is specialized to devour.

    Revan did resist the emperor’s mind control for centuries, so there’s that…

  52. Blood Dancer March 10, 2013 at 8:04 pm -      #52

    “That is how he mustered the power to kill and devour all of the Jedi on Katarr. ”

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    Do remember that the Jedi Enclave was taking place there and NONE of them (Jedi Masters) saw him coming. Another disturbing trait of the Force Wounds…they can cloak themselves from other force-sensitives much more effectively than those who use Force-Cloak. This is why he, Sion and Kreia ( for a time) were able to hunt down and kill the Jedi so efficiently. They probably had more assassins amongst their ranks than any other Sith Lord (Pre and Post – triumvirate).

    .

    In other words he could just hide and let Bane and Revan duke it out before coming out and devour the winner…although his mere presence would weaken them…even if cloaked.

    “Revan did resist the emperor’s mind control for centuries, so there’s that…”

    .

    Without PIS and CIS Nihilus doesn’t need to resort to that. All he has to do his utter a few words.

  53. Knukails March 10, 2013 at 8:54 pm -      #53

    dammit why am i always late for the good debates…

    as far as round one is concerned it think it could be a three-way tie…resulting in the death of all three. they are all force beasts Excellent in terms of swordsmanship and top notch strategists.

    Round two….i feel they all could take Palpatine. Bane would swat him like a fly, Nihilus would feed on his energies and Revan would batter him ruthlessly with force and saber combos.

  54. Marcel March 10, 2013 at 10:17 pm -      #54

    @ Blood Dancer

    I wasn’t aware that Nihilus was so completely PIS destroyed. However, my main question still stands unanswered: Has Nihilus ever fought anyone capable of separating their consciousness/essence from themselves? And if so, what was the outcome? I have been asking this ever since post #23, and it seems (to me) that no one here has even bothered trying to answer it. If you could do so, I would be very grateful.

  55. Blood Dancer March 10, 2013 at 11:16 pm -      #55

    @Marcel

    .

    And where would Bane go to? I assume he needs the Force to do that – and maintain it -, no? And Nihilus feeds ON the Force…Nope, Nihilus takes it…as I said, he can do it from the offset and since there’s no CIS and no PIS…he will just do that.

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    Also, as I hope I enlightened you on how he fared against Sion.

  56. Blood Dancer March 10, 2013 at 11:20 pm -      #56

    “I wasn’t aware that Nihilus was so completely PIS destroyed.”

    .

    How could you not? A God-like being beaten by mere mortals? Something had to be wrong

  57. Praetor Prefect (who knows where his towel is) March 10, 2013 at 11:40 pm -      #57

    There was a restored content addon for Kotor 2, and it fixed a lot of plot holes and made Nihilus tougher. Interesting side note. Anyway, we could have a 3rd scenario, just sabers and physical force powers (TK, speed etc) for all 4 (Palpy included)

  58. Commander Cross March 11, 2013 at 12:02 am -      #58

    @Praetor at #57

    A Round #03 could be interesting, the 1st two rounds might appear to be Nihilus’s fight to lose for the most part otherwise, Badass as Darth Bane and Revan at 100% Maximum Power really are, indeed.

    If this sounds redundant, add it to the Redundancy Department.

  59. Marcel March 11, 2013 at 1:45 am -      #59

    “And where would Bane go to?”

    Nihilus’ shell. Could Nihilus defend against someone invading it? Or would it just be easier for Bane to do so, since it is more difficult to perform it against those with a stronger contending consciousness, e.g. Darth Zannah?

    “I assume he needs the Force to do that – and maintain it -, no? And Nihilus feeds ON the Force…Nope, Nihilus takes it…as I said, he can do it from the offset and since there’s no CIS and no PIS…he will just do that.”

    So do Orbalisks, actually. Every moment Bane is in his actual body, he is resisting the Orbalisks’ ability to feed on him and is instead bending them to his will to ENHANCE his abilities. I don’t know if Bane has ever fought a force-feeding individual quite like Nihilus (doubt it!), but Bane himself is a living, breathing resistance to force-feed.

    “”They are called orbalisks. Creatures that feed on the power of the dark side.”
    ―Darth Bane

    “How could you not? A God-like being beaten by mere mortals? Something had to be wrong”

    I guess what I meant was that I didn’t know Nihilus himself was so…haxed.

    “Also, as I hope I enlightened you on how he fared against Sion.”

    Yes, I forgot to thank you for that before; I do so now. Thanks!

    “Anyway, we could have a 3rd scenario, just sabers and physical force powers (TK, speed etc) for all 4 (Palpy included)”

    I’ll think about it and put a (hopefully) decent scenario to the people of FP if this one shows signs of being a breakfast, lunch, and dinner deal for Nihilus, how does that sound?

  60. Blood Dancer March 11, 2013 at 3:57 am -      #60

    “Nihilus’ shell”.

    .

    That would be like entering a black hole…and interacting – even more – directly with the echoes and pain that Nihilus constantly emits. I don’t see it as a viable option…also, Orbalisks, they live, no? Nihilus eats them just as well… I mean he is constantly feeding on something…

    .

    ” Bane himself is a living, breathing resistance to force-feed.”

    .

    Keyword being living…When Nihilus consumed Katarr he consumed everyone and everything…as you saw by the pictures provided by Lowk wherein the buildings themselves began to wither away and a once lush and green world became a barren desert with crumbling buildings. The Force is connected to life itself and feeds on both. The reason he couldn’t feed on the Exile was because she was like him…a walking Void in the Force and you can’t feed on nothing.

  61. Blood Dancer March 11, 2013 at 4:05 am -      #61

    “Anyway, we could have a 3rd scenario, just sabers and physical force powers (TK, speed etc) for all 4 (Palpy included)”

    .

    While interesting do remember that Nihilus can’t change his nature… as Visas puts it: “He is a wound in the Force, more presence than flesh, and in his wake life dies… sacrificing itself to his hunger.”

    .

    Same goes to Kreia’s words: “There is no strength in the hunger he possesses… and the will behind his power is a primal thing. And it devours him as he devours others—his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls.”

    .

    Even if he goes physical…he will still use his powers because he just can’t turn them off…but that’s just me.

  62. Praetor Prefect (who knows where his towel is) March 11, 2013 at 8:31 am -      #62

    Just wondering which of the 4 was the best swordsman.

  63. Blood Dancer March 11, 2013 at 11:09 am -      #63

    @Praetor

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    In this case the better swordsman won’t necessarily win…

    .

    Seriously though, I can’t see a sword fight between Sith Lords taking place when one of the contenders isn’t capable of ‘shutting down’ his powers for a while. Unless you ask Nihilus to play fair but that’s like asking a lion not to hunt…Sith Lords don’t play nice.

  64. The Expert March 11, 2013 at 12:36 pm -      #64

    the best would either be reven or bane

  65. Marcel March 11, 2013 at 4:07 pm -      #65

    “That would be like entering a black hole…and interacting – even more – directly with the echoes and pain that Nihilus constantly emits. I don’t see it as a viable option…”

    Fair enough, thout’s probably not a good option for Bane, then.

    “also, Orbalisks, they live, no? Nihilus eats them just as well… I mean he is constantly feeding on something…”

    Actually, Bane had his Orbalisks removed because a lot of them began to die. If an Orbalisk dies, they release powerful toxins into the host, killing it. I guess I brought up the Orbalisk’s feeding ability to show that Bane has resisted and even controlled beings that tried to feed on his connection with the Force.

    “The reason he couldn’t feed on the Exile was because she was like him…a walking Void in the Force and you can’t feed on nothing.”

    Did the Exile need to feed, too? (never played Kotor yet, but I just got the game!)

  66. CannibalisticCookie March 11, 2013 at 4:11 pm -      #66

    Not sure who would win, though my money is on Bane. However, no matter who wins, they all lose Scenario 2.

  67. Marcel March 11, 2013 at 4:15 pm -      #67

    @ CannibalisticCookie

    Actually, pretty sure Sidious only has it over maybe one guy, if that. These guys are absolute beasts in the Force.

  68. Motor314 March 11, 2013 at 4:22 pm -      #68

    can someone provide some mroe feats for palpy, i only read the first part of his resurrection, i didn’t read the other ones. I couldn’t find them :(

  69. Marcel March 11, 2013 at 4:30 pm -      #69

    @ Motor

    One of Sidious’ Force storms:

    media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/48765/1573512-new_picture__4_.jpg

    media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/48765/1573514-new_picture__5_.jpg

    media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/48765/1573515-new_picture__6_.jpg

    media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/48765/1573517-new_picture__8_.jpg

    That Force storm transported Luke across the galaxy in moments. One of EU Sidious’ better feats.

  70. ZomBatman March 11, 2013 at 4:36 pm -      #70

    Well, I had intended to avoid this thread, and leave it to others, but since you asked.

    Sidious is the only Sith to master Force Storms, he is able to transfer his essence to another body at will, he is no longer physical being, but a nexus of the force, he is able to move faster than an average Jedi can even see, and on many occasions has been referred to as the most powerful Sith ever.

  71. ZomBatman March 11, 2013 at 4:38 pm -      #71

    Oh, I forgot one thing. Remember Nihilus’ whole draining the life from a planet thing? Palpatine can do that too, but on a alarger scale.

  72. Marcel March 11, 2013 at 4:39 pm -      #72

    Explodes lightsabers:

    media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/48765/1573532-new_picture__23_.jpg

    Transfers his essence from his dying body into one of his clones:

    media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/48765/1573540-new_picture__30_.jpg

    And other such sundries.

  73. Marcel March 11, 2013 at 4:41 pm -      #73

    “Remember Nihilus’ whole draining the life from a planet thing? Palpatine can do that too, but on a alarger scale.”

    When did he pull that off?

  74. ZomBatman March 11, 2013 at 4:47 pm -      #74

    On Byss, he was draining the life force of all 20 Billion inhabitants. He didn’t just kill them like Nihilus did, but rather just kept draining from them slowly. The candle that burns twice as bright and all that.

  75. Blood Dancer March 11, 2013 at 4:50 pm -      #75

    “Did the Exile need to feed, too?”

    .

    She didn’t but she would have should she had chosen (I say she because canon states that the Exile is Female) the Dark Side.

    .

    This is what Master Vrook Lamar told her: “You are a breach that must be closed. You transmit your pain, your suffering through the Force. Within you we see something worse than the teachings of the Sith. What you carry may mean the death of the Force… and the death of the Jedi.”

    .

    And she followed the path of light (again, canon) for had she gone the other way – and if Master Lamar is to be believed – you’d have two Nihiluses roaming the galaxy.

  76. Motor314 March 11, 2013 at 4:52 pm -      #76

    I always saw sidious as one of the weakest sith

    I guess i am very wrong

  77. Commander Cross March 11, 2013 at 5:01 pm -      #77

    @Motor at #76

    Or more like it was yesterday’s news.
    Take your pick, guy became a living Reality Virus in need of overkill, apparently.

  78. Praetor Prefect (who knows where his towel is) March 11, 2013 at 9:30 pm -      #78

    I think Palpy sorta became the villain sue of the series “well we need a powerful villain…how bout palpatine?”
    I much preferred the concept of Nihilus and his powers. But yeah, unless he can drain Sidious’ powers, he loses.

  79. BillDing March 12, 2013 at 5:33 am -      #79

    Thanks ZomB, I thought I was being clear when I said that palpy “did Nihilus’s thing,” the point was that he could do what Nihilus has done, and a whole bunch of other stuff. Him being a “black hole of the dark side” makes him sound much like Nihilus, though Nihilus wasn’t exactly seen as dark or light.

    I didn’t bring up that he’s literally referred to as “the most powerful sith ever” because that could easily be narrative hyperbole, but from what I’ve seen, he lives up to the title regardless.
    Marcel: Exile didn’t *need* to feed, but if you played darksided, you did that to Jedi Masters that you killed anyway, and you learned techniques essentially by being in their presence either way, which may have something to do with the Exile’s affinity for force bonds. I’ve always looked at Surik and Nihilus as being two halves of one whole rather than “the same thing” so to speak.

  80. Blood Dancer March 12, 2013 at 11:20 am -      #80

    ” I’ve always looked at Surik and Nihilus as being two halves of one whole rather than “the same thing” so to speak.”

    .

    Interpretation…

  81. Marcel March 12, 2013 at 11:52 am -      #81

    @ Blood Dancer

    I’m still leaning towards Bane being able to resist Nihilus’ feed to an extent. I doubt that Bane would be able to fully resist, however, and his resistance to force feed in the past has put a strain on his mind in battle situations. If he’s not careful, he could lose control and go nuts and go into a sort of Force Fury mode, which=him becoming Nihilus’ breakfast.

  82. Blood Dancer March 12, 2013 at 3:57 pm -      #82

    “I’m still leaning towards Bane being able to resist Nihilus’ feed to an extent. I doubt that Bane would be able to fully resist, however, and his resistance to force feed in the past has put a strain on his mind in battle situations. If he’s not careful, he could lose control and go nuts and go into a sort of Force Fury mode, which=him becoming Nihilus’ breakfast.”

    .

    In other words, Nihilus still beats him…

  83. Blood Dancer March 12, 2013 at 4:02 pm -      #83

    @Marcel

    .

    Also, your theory seems to be backed up by the orbalisks and their effect on Bane…are you really implying that what they do can be remotely compared to what Nihilus does? Have they ever drained the life out of a planet and its inhabitants (as well as accelerate decaying processes)? No. Do they have a similar feat (scale-wise)? If so, show me.

  84. Marcel March 12, 2013 at 4:03 pm -      #84

    “In other words, Nihilus still beats him…”

    If Bane isn’t extremely quick to end the match, yes. I just don’t have very many feats concerning Bane’s methods on quick takedowns. Should I revise the match, or not yet?

  85. Blood Dancer March 12, 2013 at 4:12 pm -      #85

    “If Bane isn’t extremely quick to end the match, yes.”

    .

    I will repeat this once more…only a Wound can kill a Wound and the other wound…Meetra Surik is nowhere in this match. The campaign guide is quite clear on that.

    .

    So, please give up or give Nihilus the boot.

  86. Blood Dancer March 12, 2013 at 4:13 pm -      #86

    No CIS, no PIS and a World Eater that needs only a word to vaporize his opposition…You still believe Bane capable of coming out on top? If I didn’t know better, I’d call you a fanboy…

  87. Marcel March 12, 2013 at 4:17 pm -      #87

    “Have they ever drained the life out of a planet”

    Haha, no.

    “and its inhabitants”

    Yes, they also cause constant pain to the victim, and can very easily kill the host in an attempt to remove them, aside from being toxic to the victim while attached to them. They also reproduce and take over the surface of the victim’s body. Bane not only resists their takeover, toxins, and force feed, but in turn used their feeding off of him to allow them to release chemicals into his blood that allowed him to draw on more Dark Side energy, feeding them even more. In this, an intense cycle of amplified Force powers and Force reserve not only helped him resist the feed, to to control it. But, like I said, the pain and toxins involved put a strain on his mind when his body and the Orbalisks intensified the cycle during battle situations. And seeing as Ban can’t draw off of Nihilus in this case, his resistance to the feed would be on a clock.

  88. Marcel March 12, 2013 at 4:34 pm -      #88

    “I will repeat this once more…only a Wound can kill a Wound and the other wound…Meetra Surik is nowhere in this match. The campaign guide is quite clear on that.”

    I am aware of what the campaign guide states; I am just skeptical about its accuracy in the respect that we have never seen a Wound-being take place outside of KOTOR, where no other force-feeding beings exist (e.g. Darth Sidious and Orbalisks)

    “No CIS, no PIS and a World Eater that needs only a word to vaporize his opposition…You still believe Bane capable of coming out on top?”

    His chances of coming out on top are extremely slim, but it is not entirely outside of the realm of possibility. The last thing I wanted was this match to be a stomp; if Nihilus deserves an FP, I can happily say that I helped give it to him, by providing evidence that his opponents actually had a way to win. That is what I am attempting to do here. If I can’t make that happen, then I can revise the match if everyone is in agreement. Make sense?

    “If I didn’t know better, I’d call you a fanboy…”

    Good thing you know better, lol. Like I said, I just don’t want a stomp match. If I can provide evidence to make that happen without revising the match, then less headaches for everyone else, I think.

  89. Blood Dancer March 12, 2013 at 4:36 pm -      #89

    ” And seeing as Ban can’t draw off of Nihilus in this case, his resistance to the feed would be on a clock.”

    .

    Again, make a better case. The power scale between what Nihilus can do and what the Orbalisks do…is lopsided – and I am sugarcoating it.

    .

    Also, why do you keep ignoring the fact Nihilus can only be killed by one such as he? Hell, he didn’t even die…he remains in direct contact with the physical world, according to the Star Wars Complete Encyclopedia.

  90. Blood Dancer March 12, 2013 at 4:41 pm -      #90

    LOOOL…Ignore the last paragraph of my last post seeing as how you already replied to it.

    .

    “I am just skeptical about its accuracy”

    .

    Are you questioning the closest thing to Word of God that we have at our disposal?

  91. Marcel March 12, 2013 at 4:55 pm -      #91

    “LOOOL…Ignore the last paragraph of my last post seeing as how you already replied to it.”

    All good, that’s just what happens when we are both trying to reply to each other at the same time. We miss stuff.

    “Are you questioning the closest thing to Word of God that we have at our disposal?”

    Mostly…no. It’s just that, like I probably poorly explained in the statement, we see no other appearances of other beings/things capable of feeding off the Force. Things like the Dark Reaper, Orbalisks, and Sidious make no appearance in KOTOR, so we have no idea whether or not the characters in KOTOR would be able to resist them or not. If it was proven they could, I would drop the matter and concede instantly. However, seeing as I have not seen any evidence otherwise (since Nihilus in turn has not been able to perform in the same time eras as the other Force-feeding items), THAT is what I am questioning.

  92. Blood Dancer March 12, 2013 at 5:26 pm -      #92

    @Marcel

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    The Exile resisted it…hence why she killed him.

  93. Marcel March 12, 2013 at 5:33 pm -      #93

    …*clears throat*…Yes, my bad. Again, specification problems on my part. Anyone outside of a Wound resisting, if you get my meaning. Anakin resisted the effects of Dark Reaper (as did Ulic Quel Droma) and Bane resisted Orbalisks feed. Yet none of these Beings have converged together or encountered any of the other methods of Force-feed. Hence my apprehension.

  94. Blood Dancer March 12, 2013 at 5:45 pm -      #94

    @Marcel

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    “the Dark Reaper, ”

    .

    Invented by Naga Saddow who came before Nihilus…and seemly it was Ulic Qel-Droma who also came before Nihilus that gave the Jedi the knowledge to destroy it. Ulic’s Student was Vima Sunrider who in turn trained Meetra Surik AKA the Jedi Exile.

    .

    “Orbalisks”

    .

    Discovered after Nihilus…as far as I know.

    “Sidious”

    .

    Had thousands of years of knowledge at his disposal…and not even from the Old Republic Era

  95. Blood Dancer March 12, 2013 at 5:51 pm -      #95

    “The Exile resisted it…hence why she killed him.”

    This is like Balefire and the no limits fallacy. Balefire can be stopped, as can Nihilus feeding – which as I also explained also goes for the life – Balefire by Callandor or whatever and Nihilus by another Wound. So, no, there’s nothing stopping Nihilus here.

    .

    Then there’s Kreia who trained him…she spent years with him and since he was feeding 24/7 I doubt she wouldn’t have lasted so long if she didn’t have a trick or two under her sleeve. We know that he allowes Visas to live because he wanted her to “see” and Sion just to prove a point but he didn’t even hesitate when it came to incapacitating Kreia by severing her connection to the Force. Why he let her live afterwards…maybe because he didn’t care. But You have three people other than the Exile that interacted with him and came of somewhat unscathed (Kreia no longer able to connect to the Force and Sion limping away in shame)

  96. Marcel March 13, 2013 at 12:35 am -      #96

    ““the Dark Reaper, ”
    .
    Invented by Naga Saddow who came before Nihilus…and seemly it was Ulic Qel-Droma who also came before Nihilus that gave the Jedi the knowledge to destroy it. Ulic’s Student was Vima Sunrider who in turn trained Meetra Surik AKA the Jedi Exile.
    .
    “Orbalisks”
    .
    Discovered after Nihilus…as far as I know.

    “Sidious”
    .
    Had thousands of years of knowledge at his disposal…and not even from the Old Republic Era”

    I’m sorry, had a midterm today, and I just got through a night lab, and my brain’s really slow right now. What was your endpoint of this post? What were you proving, exactly? (Again, I’m a little featherbrained at the moment, so I apologize if it’s really obvious)

  97. Blood Dancer March 13, 2013 at 10:11 am -      #97

    @Marcel

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    To show why it’s not important at all…especially you mentioning Sidious and Orbalisks: Two things that no-one in Round one (except for Bane and the Orbalisks) no nothing about… and the following post should show you what I think of your initial question. I just quoted it wrong.
    .

  98. The Expert March 13, 2013 at 10:25 am -      #98

    Anyone else that doesen’t say nihulus stomps

  99. Marcel March 13, 2013 at 11:45 am -      #99

    “To show why it’s not important at all…especially you mentioning Sidious and Orbalisks”

    Ah. Ok, but…

    “Two things that no-one in Round one (except for Bane and the Orbalisks) no nothing about…”

    That’s actually WHY I thought it was important. Since none of them have actually come together before, we can’t say for certain whether one feed is drastically different from another, and vice versa. Just because Nihilus is a beast in quantitative absorption, is he necessarily just as good in qualitative absorption (seeing as he apparently has never encountered anyone actually able to resist Force-feed before)?

    “The Exile resisted it…hence why she killed him.”

    That’s not exactly resistance; that’s her Voided nature saying, “Try and feed on me all you want, but there is nothing here for you to feed on.” Very different from someone actually having a tremendous amount of Force reserve (e.g. Bane and Revan) and saying, “I’m not letting you have any of this.”

  100. Blood Dancer March 13, 2013 at 5:18 pm -      #100

    “Just because Nihilus is a beast in quantitative absorption, is he necessarily just as good in qualitative absorption (seeing as he apparently has never encountered anyone actually able to resist Force-feed before)?”

    .

    And can Bane resist Life absorption? As I have stated before, Force and Life…you think that there were only Force Users and Force Sensitive beings on the planets he consumed? He devoured fauna and flora, life and force INDISCRIMINATELY….Nihilus goes for everything. You saw the Buildings in the scans Lowk provided? You think buildings decay and fall apart that easy?

    .

    You missed this: Then there’s Kreia who trained him…she spent years with him and since he was feeding 24/7 I doubt she wouldn’t have lasted so long if she didn’t have a trick or two under her sleeve. We know that he allowes Visas to live because he wanted her to “see” and Sion just to prove a point but he didn’t even hesitate when it came to incapacitating Kreia by severing her connection to the Force. Why he let her live afterwards…maybe because he didn’t care. But You have three people other than the Exile that interacted with him and came of somewhat unscathed (Kreia no longer able to connect to the Force and Sion limping away in shame)

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