Suggested by War Wizard
This fight consists of the Jedi facing off against the Sith, both factions from the Star Wars franchise.
For this match there are two scenarios to discuss.
SCENARIO ONE:
Just the characters shown in the picture are in the fight. Battle takes place on Halo 3′s Foundry map. (Opens new window to see map)
SCENARIO TWO:
All Jedi and Sith face each other on the island from Myst (Opens window to see map).
Which side will finally claim victory?
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Like the different picture setup.
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Scenario 1
The Jedi have the people who have actually beaten the people in the sith picture.
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Don’t know about scenario 2. But due to the guy that could kind of galactus a planet I’m leaning towards sith.
Where do the sorta inbetween people like Revan or Exile fit in? Guy who experienced both the dark and the light or stepped from the dark but never went jedi or vice versa.
Depends on the version of Luke and Sidious. DE Sidious rapes everyone if Luke is not Grandmaster version, as Palpatine can already defeat Yoda, and Luke, and most definitely old ObiWan and Qui Gon.
1: Current Luke solos all but Sidious, if Yoda keeps his cool he can do the same.
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2:Jedi have the numbers edge because of the rule of two being in effect for so long. The Sith have power but its hard to overwhelm an several armies of battle hardened Jedi.
Where do guys like Vader fall though? Since they went back to Jedi before death?
Oh shit…intense match, thinking Sith might take at least battle one, unsure of battle two.
finally my favorite kind of match a star wars match, luke, yoda, and obi-wan should be able take on darth maul, darth vader, and count dooku.but remenber anikin was the chosen one. even yoda couldn’t take on palpintine, so thats why i see the emporor soloing this match
Force Choke FTW
@pwnage and expert
EU Luke is at least equal to Sidious in Force Power, hypersonic speed and reactions one hit kill Jedi Emerald Lightning. And can counter Sidious’s best moves.
i really need to read those ******* EU books
Jedi should win
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“Where do the sorta inbetween people like Revan or Exile fit in? Guy who experienced both the dark and the light or stepped from the dark but never went jedi or vice versa.”
isn’t it funny that were putting apprentces up aginst they’re masters
qui gon-count dooku
obi wan-darth vader
anyway im starting to think that the lightside has the upper hand
So found this on Nihilus. Apparently all it takes is a word to fuck up a planet full of life. He should be able to then the jedi number a bit.
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“able to then the jedi number a bit.”
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thin the jedi numbers
“SCENARIO ONE:
Just the characters shown in the picture are in the fight.”
So, their last incarnation before death, or, as of Episode V, as Luke still has his blue lightsaber?
“SCENARIO TWO:
All Jedi and Sith face each other”
That’s an almost innumerable number. Should we just stick to the heavy hitters?
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@Darker Than Lowk
“Where do the sorta inbetween people like Revan or Exile fit in? Guy who experienced both the dark and the light or stepped from the dark but never went jedi or vice versa.”
Someone darker than Lowk..? Besides that, my thoughts exactly.
@Darker Than Lowk
hey that was darth reven’s apprentice who’s name i forgot. hes not even in this match
The sith have a more vast array of force powers… a lot of the time the light side only wins because of the plots shenanigans. Though some of them are truely powerful.
I dunno about Scenario 2. Throw in ancient sith badasses like Naga Sadow, Exar Kun and Darth Bane for the sith side. I say we have two versions of each fighter that switched sides like a Dark Revan and a Light Revan (Same with Vader)
Well Palpatine can hold his own against Yoda, Darth Maul can and has killed Qui Gon, Count Doku has beaten Obi Wan, granted he wasn’t a Jedi Master, and Darth Vader also has held his own against luke, also when he was less expirienced, but still they all have a chance against the Jedi I think.
What version of all these characters are we using for scenario one? Are they all in their prime? One of the only reasons Qui-Gon actually lost (according to the novel) is because he was simply too old to keep up.
I was about to say, it is all sith then I think they’ll take it, they have some insanely power dudes (mainly nihilus) who absorbs the force. however if the version of Luke is Grandmaster then the light side takes it. luke can sever his connection to the force at will.
In scenario 2, I agree with Crimson Sentry here. If we have all of each in existence, then each incarnation in their prime goes to the Jedi. Even though the Sith have some insane powerhouses, they would be hard pressed to match Grandmaster Luke. Supposing they ganged up and took Luke down, the Sith are simply too short on numbers.
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For scenario one, clarification is needed before I bring an analysis
Dayum CS, I can’t believe I forgot Nihilus! And if they are all in a “no mercy kill all the enemies” state, Sion ain’t goin down easy.
I havent seen star wars but i have played a few games
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Star Killer was pretty nice when it came to combat
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But other than that,im pretty out of the loop Star wars or anything space wise
Also, the Emperor from The Old Republic can make copies of himself to assist him in battle.
But could all the Sith beat Grand Master Luke if they all teamed up.
@ Ammo
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All good, man; if you stick around and read some posts, you can well inform yourself for future debates to come…hopefully…
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@ Praetor Prefect
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” And if they are all in a “no mercy kill all the enemies” state, Sion ain’t goin down easy.”
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Tru dat, not easy to kill a dude that literally keeps his body from falling to pieces with his hate…and all that extra pain will just make his hate stronger…he’s pretty much going to have to be incinerated.
Scenario 2 is literally Nihilus’s dream come true, Force as far as the eye can see.
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First thing he’s going to do is eat countless jedi, and only GM-Luke and maybe the exile, and Revan(Who as he was still lord of the sith while Nihilus was a sith, must of had some way to control him) even has much of a chance to stop him.
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But while that sounds like the jedi aren’t completely screwed, I’m pretty sure I remember that he get’s more powerful as he eats, so…. Yeah.
scenario 2 would be epic the darkside has some tough players but so does the light side if everyone is at they’re physical peak i see the darkside winning. although im not EU expert as i have not read the books so for now i siding with the darkside
“But could all the Sith beat Grand Master Luke if they all teamed up.”
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Even if they could, I doubt they would have enough of their big guns left to survive the onslaught of the drastically advantageous numbers of swarming Jedi.
Some Sith that would help the DarkSides would be
Darth Phobos
“Darth Phobos exhibited powerful mental powers that she could use to manipulate the minds of the weak and force them to do her bidding.[1] The Phobos simulation was able to sense her opponent’s deepest fears and use them against the assailant.”
Darth Talon
“Darth Talon was able to outfight the two Jedi Shado Vao and Wolf Sazen simultaneously, showing her aptitude at lightsaber combat.”
Darth Desolous
” Desolous was powerful enough to face and murder many Jedi,[1] and his simulacrum later claimed that the Sith Lord had been taken down only by the combined strength of the Jedi Council members.”
These are some really powerful sith that I know of, and I think the Jedi would have a hard time dealing with all the sith for they are very powerful.
This is an interesting fight… Hm… SO it is ONLY the Jedi/Sith in the picture? Foundry would allow a lot of Force shoves to push crates toward them… But it would come down to strength. What incarnations of the characters are we using?
“SO it is ONLY the Jedi/Sith in the picture?”
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For the first scenario, yes.
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“What incarnations of the characters are we using?”
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That’s what I’ve been trying to find out. I hope it is strongest incarnation for each character
@Marcel
Strongest incarnations would be the best for the fight, and the most interesting, but it almost guarantees the win for the Jedi, with Grand Master Luke and all.
if Grand master Luke gave into his anger for a few mins or so i can sort of see the darkside losing. so wait are we using everyone at they’re physical peak or what?
“What incarnations of the characters are we using?”
– Strongest incarnation.
Are we going to settle on strongest Incarnations?
Oh duh yeh, um ignore my last comment.
@Pwnage
Not really a guarantee for the second scenario. Even with Luke at his best there’s a lot of major threats on the Sith side, the only issue they have is fewer Sith overall than Jedi, there are several era’s they had empires of Sith warriors but compared to the Jedi it’s few and far between.
@The Expert
Luke doesn’t need to give into the darkside anymore, he’s…learned a better way to express when you’ve pissed him the fuck off, he uses lightside force lightning to rip your life from you. And if you really piss him off, I mean threaten his family personally piss him off, he becomes a channel for the full power of the Light Side of the force and basically becomes the antithesis of Nihulus. Righteous Fury moving at hypersonic speeds with a green lightsaber that once pimpsmacked The Darkside in Abeloth. If the Sith are smart they take out the fodder and let Luke wear himself out. If their dumb as fuck and try to take out the big dog first…..they might take him down, but he’ll be taking most of the big dog Sith with him.
@GuardianAngel1911
True, true good point, although Grandmaster Luke could do some serious damage to the heavy hitters on the Sith team.
@Pwnage
Oh, Luke’s going to be taking down the heavy hitters of the Sith no matter what, I was just saying the Sith have a lot of cannon fodder Jedi to get through to win, wasting their big guns trying to take out the heaviest hitting Jedi is not the best early on move since it leaves the Sith with most of their big guns wounded or dead and the rest up against a vastly numerically superior Jedi force.
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well with Admin’s ruling scenario 1 the Jedi win easy, Sidious is the only one who can match Luke or Yoda in their prime, I don’t think he can deal with both at once in lightsaber combat.
Grand Master Luke is powerful but eventually hes going to get swamped:
Ancient Sith
■King Adas (Sith King/Sith’ari)
■Janton Belos
■Shar Dakhan (Acting Dark Lord)
■Dramath
■Dramath the Second
■Darth Drear
■Remulus Dreypa
■Dor Gal-ram
■Garu
■Dathka Graush (Self-proclaimed Sith King/Sith’ari)
■Horak-mul
■Tulak Hord
■Ieldis
■Aloysius Kallig
■Killik Sith Lord
■Kla
■Komok-Da
■Ludo Kressh
■Karness Muur
■Ku’ar Danar
■Freedon Nadd
■Tritos Nal
■Ajunta Pall
■Marka Ragnos
■Red-armored Sith Lord
■Saes Rrogon
■Naga Sadow
■Rin Shuuir
■Simus
■Sorzus Syn
■Hakagram Graush (Self-proclaimed Sith King/Sith’ari)
■Bo Vanda
■XoXaan
Brotherhood of the Sith
■Exar Kun
■Ulic Qel-Droma
Revan’s Sith Empire
■Darth Bandon
■Darth Glovoc
■Darth Malak
■Darth Revan
■Darth Voren
Sith Triumvirate
■Darth Nihilus
■Darth Sion
■Darth Traya
■Unidentified Sith Master (Dxun)
Resurgent Sith Empire
■Abaron
■Darth Acharon
■Darth Achelon
■Adraas
■Alaric
■Anathemos
■Darth Andru
■Darth Angral
■Darth Arctis
■Darth Arho
■Darth Atroph
■Darth Azamin
■Darth Baras
■Beldiss
■Bestia
■Borm
■Brontes
■Darth Caba
■Calaverous
■Calphayus
■Calypho
■Cendence
■Cestus
■Darth Charnus
■Charnoq
■Darth Chratis
■Dashar
■Davorak
■Darth Decimus
■Draahg
■Duen
■Darth Ekkage
■Sith Emperor
■Emperor’s Wrath (Second Great Galactic War)
■Darth Enraj
■Darth Fastus
■Fulminiss
■Goss
■Grathan
■Darth Gravus
■Darth Hadra
■Hannal
■Darth Howl
■Haresh
■Hasper
■Xat Hracken
■Idrino
■Darth Igrol
■Darth Ikoral
■Illikith
■Darth Iratus
■Darth Jadus
■Darth Jaga
■Darth Kallous
■Kancras
■Darth Karrid
■Khreusis
■Kirnon
■Kras
■Vodal Kressh
■Krillis
■Krimyn
■Darth Lachris
■Lokar
■Darth Malgus
■Malichose
■Darth Marr
■Darth Mekhis
■Darth Minax
■Darth Morias
■Terrak Morrhage
■Darth Mortis
■Nankrang
■Nefarid
■Darth Nox
■Darth Nurin
■Darth Nyriss
■Ogathu
■Ondorru
■Darth Ouzal
■Paladius
■Pharshol
■Praven
■Qet
■Ranath
■Raptus
■Rathari
■Darth Ravage
■Razer
■Razik
■Renning
■Reyzek
■Rolan
■Sadic
■Darth Sajar
■Samus
■Darth Scabrous
■Scourge
■Darth Serevin
■Servant Eleven
■Servant One
■Servant Two
■Shak’Weth
■Shalath
■Darth Shattra
■Shendan
■Skeletal female Dark Lord
■Darth Silthar
■The Sith Corrupter
■Skar
■Darth Skotia
■Solence
■Darth Sorranos
■Spindrall
■Styrak
■Lord Sundar
■Darth Synar
■Tahm
■Lord Vivicar
■Tarnis
■Darth Thanaton
■Torius
■Darth Tormen
■Twintan
■Tyrans
■Umbriss
■Vacuus
■Varacen
■Vassanar
■Velnine
■Darth Venemal
■Darth Vengean
■Darth Vich
■Darth Viktus
■Darth Vilus
■Vindican
■Darth Vowrawn
■Darth Xedrix
■Darth Zash
■Zavrasha
■Darth Zhorrid
After the Old Sith Wars
■Darth Desolous
■Darth Phobos
■Unidentified Darth
New Sith Empire/Republic Dark Age
■Ayanos Bactra
■Belia Darzu
■Saaj Calician
■Arkadia Calimondra
■Vilia Calimondra
■Chagras
■Daiman
■Dromika
■Eradicus
■Quorlac Fornayh
■Lioko
■Malakite
■Mandragall
■Na’daz
■Najus
■Odion
■Quillan
■Darth Rivan
■Darth Ruin
■The Dark Underlord
■Unidentified Zeltron Sith general
■Xelian
Brotherhood of Darkness
■Borthis
■Githany
■Hezzoran
■Skere Kaan
■Kaox Krul
■Kas’im
■Kopecz
■LaTor
■Llokay
■Orilltha
■Qordis
■Seviss Vaa
■Shenayag
■Sirak
■Unidentified Advozse Sith Lord
■Unidentified Sith Lord
■Unidentified Tattooed Sith Lord
■Yevra
Order of the Sith Lords/Rule of Two
All Sith following the Rule of Two, both master and apprentice, held the title of Dark Lord of the Sith. This list is in chronological order.
■Darth Bane (Sith’ari of prophecy)
■Darth Zannah
■Darth Cognus
■Darth Millennial
■Unidentified humanoid Sith Lord
■Unidentified Devaronian Sith Lord
■Unidentified humanoid Sith Lord
■Darth Vectivus
■Darth Guile
■Darth Gravid
■Darth Gean
■Unidentified Male Twi’lek Sith Lord
■Darth Tenebrous
■Darth Venamis
■Darth Plagueis
■Darth Sidious
■Darth Maul
■Darth Tyranus
■Darth Vader
Sith Lords of the Interregnum
■Kyp Durron (Self-proclaimed)
■X1 (Self-proclaimed)
Lumiya’s Sith
■Darth Caedus
■Flint
■Carnor Jax
■Lumiya
■Tahiri Veila
Lost Tribe of Sith
■Dernas
■Viun Gaalan
■Vestara Khai
■Ysadria Kaladris
■Candra Kitai
■Jariad Korsin
■Nida Korsin
■Yaru Korsin
■Flen Luzo
■Sawj Luzo
■Enara Massar
■Pallima
■Olaris Rhea
■Sashal
■Sammul Sharsha
■Sammul Sharsha’s husband
■Vantsuri Shia
■Sarasu Taalon
■Jesko Umarn
■Ivaar Workan
■Lillia Venn
■Darish Vol
■Takaris Yur
One Sith/Rule of OneEdit
■Darth Azard
■Darth Havok
■Darth Krayt
■Darth Kruhl
■Darth Maladi
■Darth Maleval
■Darth Nihl
■Darth Rauder
■Darth Reave
■Darth Ruyn
■Darth Stryfe
■Darth Talon
■Darth Vurik
■Darth Wyyrlok I
■Darth Wyyrlok II
■Darth Wyyrlok III
■Dician
■Unidentified Hand
■Unidentified Human Sith Lord
■Unidentified Sith Lord
■Unidentified Twi’lek Sith Lord
■White Eyes
Malevolence Cult
■Darth Andeddu
Unknown Time Period
■Darth Karnage
■Darth Simi
Just food for thought, when it comes down to it, GM Luke would be Nihilus because Luke (being the Mary Sue he is) can disconnect himself from the force and then still use the force for no reason, this will cripple Nihilus. although to be fair I think the sith have far more powerful people than the jedi do, even though the Jedi have numbers on their side. Does anyone have feats for any badass jedi besides luke?
The Jedi Order has existed since the end of the Force Wars, in 25,783 BBY or 25,783 years Before the Battle of Yavin 4 and those very first before that the Je’daii Order are the first Jedi, utilizing metal swords augmented by the Force.
In other words in one form or another the Jedi have existed since 36,453 BBY
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The Sith Order in it’s true form has on the other hand only existed since 6,900 BBY
Jedi have in total nearly 40,000 years worth of Jedi to call upon compared to the Sith’s meager 6,900. There were Dark Side users before this date but the Sith as an Order has not and thus those Dark Jedi as they were called are unaffiliated with the Sith. Now, there were Sith before this but that was the species not the Order we are using here.
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the Jedi order can be separated into 3 era’s the Je’daii Order, the Holy Order of the Jedi Knights and the New Jedi Order.
the Sith have the Sith Empire in 6,900bby the rule of two Sith order starting with Darth Bane and dying after the fall of either Palpatine or Jacen Solo depending on your opinion, and the rule of one Sith order which was a reborn Sith empire under Darth Krayt.
@Crimson
give me some time to look was researching the starts of their orders which…when you look at it gives the Jedi a lot of play room with their generations and the Sith not so much.
Won’t the Sith fight among themselves?
Darth Bane is going to be happy with the Sith that broke the Rule Of Two.
Are we really using all the Jedi and Sith they’re just so many. anyway match either way with yoda, and Luke, Exar kun, that dude from the rule of 2 with the rough skin this fight is nearly udebateable
though quick prelim of mighty Jedi
Yoda, while on the downward years of his life (dying around 20/30 years after his duel with Palpatine) was able to match Palpatine until he gave in to the darkside for a moment and got thrown off. At his strongest he could give some Sith a tough time.
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Mace Windu also pushed Palpatine to the ropes only in lightsaber comat as opposed to the Force. He was also considered the greatest duelist of his time.
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Jedi Master Hoth was an old war Jedi who commanded the Army of Light (a massive army of Jedi who would, be in this match) who with said Army of Light wiped out every Sith except Bane and are the reason he decided the Sith should stay subtle instead of going “We are Sith and we has Empire”
He took out the “Brotherhood of Darkness” the Sith’s equivalent to the Army of Light, by going up and forcing their leader to use his ultimate attack (thought bomb) and take out Hoth and the rest of the Sith (minus Bane somehow) note that the thought bomb is a Sith desperation, it’s official we have officially fucked the duck we aren’t winning this thing we lost and we are pissed about it, strategy. Course the Thought Bomb has a max range, so it’s not a good idea to start spamming it in an enormous melee when you’ll be taking out as many of your guys as the others.
EDIT on post #44: Should say Darth Bane isn’t going to be happy with the Sith that broke the Rule Of Two.
Where does Abeloth stand among the Jedi and Sith?
Wouldn’t Exar Kun’s ability to freeze time give the Sith side an advantage?
@RR
not for this fight at any rate, after their done with the Jedi if they win whatever is left of the Sith (if the Sith don’t end up like the 300 Spartans or the Alamo defenders considering the fucking massive number of Jedi knights) will only be a handful even if it’s Bane Sidious Krayt and Revan they will either decide to just try and kill each other or start over from scratch and hope to god another mega jedi baby with Skywalker blood doesn’t pop up somewhere.
the Sith helped bring Abeloth down so I don’t think she’s in the club.
@GuardianAngel1911 with Mjolnir and Gungnir
Jedi side does have a huge advantage with Cade Skywalker because he can use The Force to revive people.
@RR
that and a few dozen powerful Jedi with Shatterpoint, several with Force Light (the become the light side thing), Cade’s healing ability, and that’s all on top of more Jedi than the damn map can probably hold. Hell the Sith are likely just crushed under the weight of all the Jedi.
@Richard Rider
Correct me if im wrong but couldn’t Darth Plagius do that as well.
@GuardianAngel1911
Not exactly there may be a good number of lesser sith but the dark side does have the power of Darth Revan,Darth Bane and The Sith Emperor. These three specifically could wipe out entire battalions on there own.
Is this just a ground combat or will there be Jedi Starfighters Vs Sith Infiltrators duking it out in the skies while the other Jedi and Sith fight on the ground?
maybe we should start counting the members of either side the moment the sith empire was formed as to even the playing field so it’s not just a zerg match.
Although I did love the idiot who tried to say that all the zerg combined would over whelm the imperial guard. Considering just the combined excrement the imperial guard pump out per day could probably crush all the zerg in one shit.
@crimson
Did.that post 42
Star wars the old replblic has billions of sith and jedi but that would be chaotic
@The Expert
Maybe just slightly chaotic.
@GA1911@46
Didn’t Bane’s bomb kill all of the sith?
@Praetor Prefect
I think it was most of them.
Before we keep on bringing more Siths and Jedis. Lets bring out the ones the will bring the biggest influence or impact on the battle. Those who are more then capable of taking on powerful masters. We will start with the Jedis. Since we already bring Grand Master Luke.
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This is just my idea anyways. I always like it if we just talk about one topic, one at a time until we can get to the other ones.
Without reading posts, I’d say the Jedi win Round 1.
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However, in Scnerio 2, Sith may just take it with people like Nihilus, Exar Kun, Plageius (SP?), Bane, and the guys in the Valley of the Sith Lords. On the other hand, the Jedi aren’t pushovers either, especially the guys in the pic.
@Chaos Ridley
Sith: Darth Bane, Darth Revan, Darth Plagius, Darth Nihlus, The Sith Emperor, Darth Malak, Darth Sidious, Darth Vader, Darth Maul. (Galen Marek?)
@guardianangel
lol no I was saying we should discount all jedi before the sith were formed for the purposes of this match to even it up. Although thank you for the history run down.
IMHO, the EU utterly destroys the SW universe by ramping everything up to 11. This includes KOTOR2 and Nihilus. A sea of poor writing with a few gems found floating around.
I’d put my money on sith victory.
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Also – it’s been almost a month and a half since I paid for a battle. What is taking so long?
“@Darker Than Lowk
hey that was darth reven’s apprentice who’s name i forgot. hes not even in this match”
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Read scenario 2
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So, I see the sith taking scenario 2 easily. There are just way too many overpowered force abilities sith utilize that Jedi can’t/won’t.
As for scenario one, I don’t know. It comes down to Luke and Sidious, but I’m not sure who tops who at their peaks.
@jackn8r
I’d be willing to bet that Luke could trump Sidious in the first match.
@jackn8r
not completely on the won’t use, there are a few Jedi who can, and have used either Dark Side powers or variations thereof in combat. This includes but is not limited to Mace Windu (known for channeling his dark side tendencies into attacks), Luke Skywalker, Galen Marek, and Jaden Korr. And well to put Luke’s order into perspective
“Force lightning. We had thought Skywalker’s Jedi considered themselves above that.”
“We make exceptions.”
―Welk and Mara Jade Skywalker
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So at least the NJO is willing to use some amount of Dark Side power when absolutely needed, such as this instance.
There are also several Jedi known for using Force Lightning
Jedi Master Lian Dray used it as did Revan, Meetra Surik Jolee Bindo, Bastila Shan and Vrook Lamar in the Mandalorian Wars era to the Jedi Civil War. Plo Koon used it to knock people out. Quinlan Vos and Darrus Jeht also used it.
Cade Skywalker is also very unique in how he uses it in conjunction with Shatterpoint to either heal or kill.
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Another edge the Jedi have is that during the NJO era Jedi were allowed to have children with each other creating far more potent Force users. In fact most of the Solo and Skywalker Families (Ben Mara and Anikan’s jr and sr being the exceptions) know shatterpoint and since double dippers are double dipped that means Luke Jaina Jacen and Cade plus the other Shatterpoint Jedi outnumber the 3 Sith capable of it. It’ll be very helpful to take out some of the stronger Sith, who are…prone to being psychologically unstable or physically unstable.
@PwNaGE
Not EU Sidious
Also round 1 Luke could solo everyone but Sidious in a matter of seconds due to being hypersonic and Sidious can’t handle the whole Jedi team at once, especially everyone at peak, he barely beat Yoda when Yoda was past his peak.
siding with jedi
Is that island even big enough for every single Jedi and sith ever? Lol
Jedi at strongest incarnation stomp Sith in round one, as already stated…
Scenario Two is just going to be a clusterfuck on that poor island.
Every lightsaber swing is gonna lop off Someones limb, friend or foe. Lol.
Hell, thered be LAYERS of Jedi and sith on top of each other if that pic of theisland is any indication on it’s size.
So for that round…. I dont even know who wins.
@GA1911
You fail to mention that Sidious was also past his peak
@Xeno
I said that earlier, there’s billions more Jedi than Sith though so that just makes it worse. I actually showed the huge gap between start of the Jedi order and start of the Sith order in post 42 whichever you start with they still have many many generations more Jedi than there are Sith, especially thanks to Bane’s damn rule of two meaning that for a thousand years there was only ever 1 Sith master and 1 Sith apprentice unless something backstabby was going on.
@Praetor
I wasn’t really sure with Sideous since he didn’t seem too shabby dueling Mace considering Mace was the best duelist of the Jedi Council at the time.
S1: But it has old Obi-Wan and old Yoda
I don’t see how that’s entirely fair.
S2: Who was that Sith lord that could obliterate planets?
Yeah he’ll be a problem.
@Praetor Prefect
So you think Sidious will beat Luke in the first round?
@Geek Lord
round 1 all are at their strongest, it’s just that the only Sith that it really helps is Palpatine since Luke is leaps and bounds above any of the others and Yoda is leaps and bounds above up to Dooku who he is somewhat more powerful than and more skilled than. But even at their best Maul Dooku and Vader could’t take Luke at his best even if all three attacked at once.
round 2 in this one that doesn’t really help, I don’t know if he’d open with that.
@Pwnage
I think he was just saying not to count Sidious out.
@GuardianAngel1911
I know I was just playin with him.
Oh okay. Like I said Sidious is tough but I don’t know if he can handle two of the greatest Jedi plus the runners up. Maul Vader and Dooku are fairly nonfactor with Luke being a one man army that could pwn any of them.
For Battle 2 I think I have some names that could potentially rival Luke as Grand Master if they teamed up on him, Darth Vitiate, Marka Ragnos, Freedon Nadd, and Ulic Qel-Droma. Especially Ulic Qel-Droma, he possessed the ability to see through the Force, allowing him to handle himself in situations where his eyes were of no use to him. Which would potentially help to see hypersonic Luke.
I’m siding with the underdogs because evil is cool. Th real heavy hitters for the Sith are Revan, Bane, Nihilus, Sidious, Vitiate (maybe?) Sadow, Exar Kun, Freedon Nadd, Marka Ragnos, Darth Krayt (maybe?). Feel free to name others
“not completely on the won’t use, there are a few Jedi who can, and have used either Dark Side powers or variations thereof in combat. This includes but is not limited to Mace Windu (known for channeling his dark side tendencies into attacks), Luke Skywalker, Galen Marek, and Jaden Korr. And well to put Luke’s order into perspective
“Force lightning. We had thought Skywalker’s Jedi considered themselves above that.”
“We make exceptions.”
―Welk and Mara Jade Skywalker
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So at least the NJO is willing to use some amount of Dark Side power when absolutely needed, such as this instance.”
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By that I meant that the super ridiculous dark side powers aren’t exactly in the Jedi arsenal. The Jedi that would be willing to use dark side force powers wouldn’t really have knowledge of some of the more extreme ones kept secret in holocrons.
lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/insanely-powerful-sith-wizard-with-stupendous-hax-148665/
Jedi side has the above, plus Vandar, Vrook, Arca Jeth, Jaina and Anakin Solo, Cade Skywalker, Ben Skywalker, K’Kruhk, Wolf Sazen, Shado Vao (are we counting imperial knights?), Jolee Bindo, Bastila Shan (battle meditation = hurt), Satele Shan, Master Thon, Nomi Sunrider and others I am struggling to remember
Oh yeah, and Meetra Sulik (Exile) and light Revan
@Praetor Prefect
Ulic Qel-Droma, he is also a badass.
@Jack
I know, was just showing that not all the Jedi will be relying on TK, and a lot of the Older Sith won’t see Jedi tweens with force lightning coming.
@Praetor and Pwnage
and Jedi Master General Hoth, leader of the Army of Light, and Mace Windu, and Yoda
@Praetor at #74
Pfft, Nihilus and Dark Sided Revan have better odds as far as threats to Luke is concerned if Grandmaster(Post-NJO) Luke’s in play, let alone the Sith Emperor from The Old Republic for that matter.(Although the latter’s threat level beyond merely being a direct threat to GM Luke seems to vary so far!)
@Admiral at #69
Kind of like the Orthodox Church if the Orthodox Church’s residents were more violently-inclined so to speak.
@Everyone else
IB says this is gonna take a while, as Captain Xeno noted elsewhere with regards to Round #02, especially with beings like Nihilus and the Sith Emperor at play here.
The latter has an Illegal Immortality ritual that might* make the DF-verse’s Darkhollow Ritual look like a Puny Insect in scale as far as relative comparisons are concerned, the Jedi are gonna want to do something about that in particular.
I am not EMOboyz nor am I ladi so whatever bad temptations I may have that’s not directly related to this beast at hand, I’ll withhold in discussing them in-depth for now.
1.) (With all due respect to the Admiral and no ill wills against Jim Butcher for citing it out!)
@Admiral at #87
If I hear correctly, was the Planet Hoth that was shown in the Empire Strikes Back named in Jedi Master Hoth’s honors, by chance?
I didn’t read the books Hoth was in, but from wikis etc i don’t know of many useful feats for him aside from leadership.
Why is Revan consistently being put on the side of the Sith?
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Light Side ending to Kotor is canon; that means Revan is a JEDI, not a Sith.
@Messenger OriginalA at #91
Actually they went with Light Side!-Revan and Dark Side!-Revan for each side, so depending on whichever side is left over it basically means Revan wins no matter what.
Does that make sense?
“Revan wins no matter what.”
That sounds about right. He’s just that badass.
I suggested way back in comment #13 that we stick to the heavy hitters of both the Jedi and the Sith. That, the best Jedi and the best Sith go head to head, instead of this massive, Pile, if I may, of Jedi and Sith wallowing around on top of an island.
Jedi win, because they are the true master of the plot
@Grand General Rorschach at #94
I saw what you did there, and if it weren’t for the fact my B-day’s on tomorrow, I’d laugh my own guts off physically to near-death.
Alas, I don’t think anyone really cares enough about me lately, but either way your pun is hilarious!!!
There should be an award for best Constructive Pun in the site so far, or something.
@OriginalA
What the Commander said.
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@Rorschach
I am also I’m favor of only the heavy hitters.
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I am wondering if we can count only Jedi and Sith or all light side and dark side users..
Heavy hitters are a good Idea, should we stick to that?
@post 46: Yeah, but the greatest duelist is a Sith.
True, one Sith master in general can take on multiple Jedi at the same time, as demonstrated by Sidious in Revenge of the Sith, so they would have a chance against numbers I think.