Published on January 12, 2013, by admin - Posted in Duels 116
Suggested by Lowk
This match features the debut of Gwen Tennyson (Ben 10) on FactPile facing off against Harry Dresden.
For this fight, Gwen has her spell book.
Harry has his standard equipment(pre-Cold Days)/or updated versions.
Who would win?
Initial bets with Dresden since I’m not sure what Gwen can do
She’s actually pretty strong. She helped fight off an alien invasion with Ben and like 5 or few more people. So it’s not gonna be easy for Dresden that’s for sure.
She doesn’t have a lot of hax last I checked though.
Gwen is fairly powerful, though so is Dresden.
And as of pre-Cold Days, Dresden is still the Winter Knight, so he has impressive speed, stamina, and strength.
He has rather strong magical attacks, but I don’t know the strength of Gwen’s shields. What is the strongest thing they have stood up to?
If Gwen goes all out, she can basically draw power/energy from everything around here, giving her a rather ridiculous stamina for a prolonged fight. At that point, she is like a Green Lantern without a limit on how long her powers will last.
Dresden’s got plenty of abilities that can hurt her (assuming he’s considering her an entity formed of magic and not a human since that’s what she is)
to start off light:
he has the spell Flickum Bicus which lights his target on fire even when he’s not looking at it in the case of lighting his fireplace.
is a master of fire
will do more posts later.
Start off with Dresden me thinks.
Never really watched Ben10 after she became a “Pink Lantern”(not really for that reason though), so did she even use her book at that point?
Which leads to a few another questions, as Ben10 is a multiverse, which Gwen are we using? And what exactly is that Gwen’s “current incarnation”?
What I’m curious about is if Dresden puts an anti magic circle which causes creatures of magic manifested in our world (which anodites seem to be from what I recall) back to their plane of existance, so if Dresden was able to catch her in one would it bfr her?
As for Violet Lantern, Soulfire seems to basically be Green Lantern powers, hell I wouldn’t be surprised if that could seal the win, it let him pimpsmack the entity that is the Fate that cuts the threads, and I’m pretty sure moonlights as the reaper.
Stopped watching that show years ago (after the whole aesthetic change in alien force and whatever the heck came after it)
“What I’m curious about is if Dresden puts an anti magic circle which causes creatures of magic manifested in our world (which anodites seem to be from what I recall) back to their plane of existance, so if Dresden was able to catch her in one would it bfr her?”
Anodites are aliens. Plus She’s half human and has will, she could easily step out of or mess up the circle.
“He has rather strong magical attacks, but I don’t know the strength of Gwen’s shields. What is the strongest thing they have stood up to?”
Ben’s+Kevins superstrong alien forms. Vilgax. And she has sheilded the team from an explosion that leveled a building.
I’ll be back with more later
Yeah I think her magic was just the powers of her species or something, and she only believed it was magic.
“Yeah I think her magic was just the powers of her species or something, and she only believed it was magic.”
Yeah there the thing, that was a *very* blatant recon, and is it even true for all the Gwens?
I thought it was funny how Ben 10,000 got retconned so hard it was sad. In that episode (set 20-30 years in the future I believe) Gwen still used the spell book. No spells afaik were mentioned in Alien Force (what I saw of it)
being aliens doesn’t stop them being made of what she’s made of, which is mana which is life energy and magic in her universe.
And I thought the Anodite homeworld was in a slightly seperate dimension? or is that just the Ectonurite homeworld?
Some stuff for gwen,forgot she could fly
Just to clarify, Gwen uses energy not magic so anything anti-magic Dresdan has would most likely be ineffective. also when in her anodite state she can absorb energy from her environment which essentially makes her tireless.
However she tends to avoid doing that because it kills shit off
actually she uses mana, which in universe is explained to be the energy of life/magic same basic thing in universe. magic is mana mana is magic and more.
In the Dresden Files, Magic is very similar lifeforce of the universe, everywhere, can be drawn from the world around him. If anything it would make her more succeptible to it because she’s made of mana. Dresden basically uses life energy to modify reality so that, jets of fire appear or blasts of force slam into his target. His fire generation is similar to Verdona’s making duct tape from nothing in a way, same process, energy is gathered and converted, and manipulated into a new form that it wasn’t before. Or in the case of Dresden’s wind spells it changes reality so that a blast of wind (ranging from cool you off to smash you into a wall) happens even indoors. And because life energy=life energy Dresden and Gwen are both capable of absorbing and redirecting the others attacks. The main difference is Gwen is a battery. Dresden has to draw on power, though with the Knight Mantle he has a lot of extra power to draw on. I’m curious if Dresden will be able to get past Gwens shields though, I think he should be able to, focused highly explosive fire blasts should work to shatter them after a couple hits.
Interesting, 0% in the way of actual pussyfooting at all in here.
I commend the likes of the Puncher of Faces for bringing us a decent-enough fight at hand.
Like with what the owner of #2 says, IB’s on Dresden, not only because its been a while since I recalled much on what Gwen could do but also because on Dresden’s end is A Very Badass Image in play here.
Not to say that Gwen’s image is too shabby either, but Dresden’s end looks pretty close to how far he’d go in Changes at the final weeks of that nasty war with the Red Court.
Shall I say more, or must we let the kombat resume?
P.S: What I Can say on Gwen’s end is that she might not be an easy target to hit, and you know with how they say ‘You can’t Kill what you can’t hit’ and all that jazz?
I have to ask a question does Harry Dresden have auto shields like Doctor Strange?
Overall, her most notable skill is her innate, if untapped, natural ability at magic. Having within her what Charmcaster calls a “magical aura”, Gwen is capable of using various magical artifacts and spells. When using the magical, luck-giving Charm of Bezel, she was able to activate it instinctively, whereas Hex did not. Later on, when she gets a hold of his staff, she was able to make it fire an energy blast
according to Hex, only someone of his skill should have that ability. Gwen has only recently started to actually tap into her magical powers to help Ben using a book of spells she took from Charmcaster in the episode
“A Change Of Face”. In the possible future of “Ben 10,000″, Gwen’s physical and magical training leads her to become both a black belt and a master magician using the recreated Charms of Bezel, which makes her more than a match for any adversary.
On two occasions, Gwen has used magical items known as the Charms of Bezel to become a super heroine by the name of Lucky Girl. At first, her ability drew from the “luck” Charm of Bezel, which literally gave Gwen supernatural luck. While wearing the charm, any action Gwen took would result in an implausible chain reaction benefiting her original intent but usually injuring Ben in the process.
She later brought back her superhero identity after obtaining the Keystone of Bezel, which increased her natural abilities to superhuman levels rather than affecting her luck. Both times, Gwen was forced to retire when the Charms of Bezel were destroyed. Gwen’s future self apparently learns to recreate the charms somehow, as they are an integral part of her costume.
Found these on some site
Little bit more
he has some amount of reflexive shielding
I had just gotten back from the small gym, where’d I’d hiked about four miles up and I don’t know how many miles forward on the elliptical machine. I was sweaty and exhausted and thinking about a shower and then bed again. I opened the door to my quarters, and when I did, Mab opened fire with a freaking shotgun.
I didn’t have time to think or calculate before she pulled the trigger. All I could do was react. I flung myself back, slammed my will out into the air ahead of me, coalescing it into a barrier of pure energy. The gun roared, deafening in the enclosed space. Buckshot slammed against the barrier and bounced, scattering everywhere, landing with pops and rattles. I hit the floor, keeping the barrier up, and Mab advanced, her eyes glittering through every shade of opal, wild and ecstatic and incongruous against her otherwise calm expression.
It was one of those Russian-designed shotguns with the big drum magazine, and she poured all of it into me, aiming for my face.
The second the gun went click instead of boom, I flung myself to one side in a swift roll, just in time to avoid the pounce of a silver-grey malk—a feline creature about the size of a bobcat with wicked claws and the strength of a small bear. It landed where my head had been, its claws gouging chips from the stone floor.
I kicked the malk with my heel and sent him flying across the hall and into the stone wall. He hit with a yowl of protest. I whirled my attention back to Mab as she dropped one drum magazine on the floor and produced another.
Before she could seat it in the weapon, I slashed at the air with my hand and shouted, “Forzare!” Unseen force lashed out and ripped the magazine and the shotgun alike from her hands. I made a yanking motion, and the bouncing shotgun abruptly shot across the empty space between us. I grabbed it by the barrel (which was freaking hot) just as the malk recovered and leapt at me again. I swung the empty shotgun two-handed and slammed the malk in the skull, hard enough to knock it from the air and leave it senseless on the floor.
Mab let out a delighted, silvery laugh and clapped her hands like a little girl who has just been told she’s getting a pony. “Yes!” she said. “Lovely. Brutal, vicious, and lovely.”
“Just to clarify, Gwen uses energy not magic so anything anti-magic Dresdan has would most likely be ineffective.”
She uses mana, everything’s life force in Ben 10’s main universe.
I had no idea people used magic in the Ben 10 universe I thought they used super powers.
Since people are mentioning anti magic things, they need to also bring up the origins and functions of Dresden’s magic so they can be compared.
Backing Dresden for this. While him being a bullet time may be questionable and up for debate, he is at least a legit arrow timer, as shown here.
“I brought up the sparkling blue cloud of my shield bracelet in time to intercept an arrow, and others smashed against it with the force of bullets even as I held it in place.”
Dead Beat, Chapter 42
His shield bracelet could probably tank a lot of whatever Gwen could dish out.
It tanks landmine shrapnel.
“My voice thundered down the hall. “Kincaid! Bolshevik Muppet!” The mercenary’s head whipped around toward me. He moved like hamstrung lightning, swift and lurching and grotesque. He dropped the gun, released his leg, and threw himself straight at me with his three unwounded limbs. Again I raised my shield, and prayed that the mine’s infrared trip wire functioned. Time slowed. Kincaid flung himself through the doorway. The mine beeped. There was a sharp, snapping click of metal. Kincaid tumbled past me. I leaned aside to let him, and at the same instant brought every scrap of strength I had left to bear on the shield. Lumpy metal spheres, maybe twenty or thirty of them, flew out into the air. I had angled my shield in a simple inclined plane, its base at the closet’s doorway, its summit at the back wall of the closet, about four feet off the ground. Several of the spheres hit the shield, but the slope of it sent them rebounding out into the hall. The submunitions exploded in a ripple of thunder and light. Steel balls flew in deadly sprays, rattling off stone walls and tearing into flesh with savage efficiency. The sloped shield flared into azure incandescence, energy from the shrapnel being absorbed and shed as flashbulb-bright bursts of light. The sound was indescribable, almost loud enough to kill all on its own. And then it was over. Silence fell, broken only by the crackling of flames. Nothing moved but drifting smoke. Murphy, Kincaid, the captive children, and I were all huddled together in an unorganized pile of frightened humanity. We all sat there stunned for a moment.”
Blood Rites, Chapter 33
And an elevator crash from 12 stories high.
“But I just couldn’t shake the nagging impression that I was forgetting something. There was a little groan from the elevator, and then it shuddered, and started sliding back down the shaft, no longer supported by the powerful but short-lived pillar of wind that had driven it up there. We were falling back down the way we had come, and I had the feeling that we weren’t going to have a much better time of it at the bottom than the scorpion had at the top. Now was the time for the bracelet, and I didn’t waste a heartbeat grabbing Murphy close to me, and bringing the shield into being around us. I only had a couple of seconds to focus, to think–I couldn’t make the globe around us too brittle, too strong, or we’d just smash ourselves against the inside of it in the same way we would if we just rode the elevator down. There had to be some give to it, some flexibility, to distribute the tremendous force of the abrupt stop at the first floor. It was dark, and there wasn’t much time. Murphy and I rose up to the center of the space of the elevator while I pushed the shield out all around us, filled up the space with layer after layer of flexible shielding, semi cohesive molecules of air, patterns of force meant to spread the impact around. There was a sense of pressure all around me, as though I had been abruptly stuffed in Styrofoam packing peanuts. We fell, faster and faster. I sensed the bottom of the shaft coming. There was an enormous sound, and I held on to the shield with all of my might. When I opened my eyes again, I was sitting on the floor of the shattered, devastated elevator, holding a sagging, unconscious Murphy.”
Storm Front, Chapter 22
Well the original series got retconned to hell so yes and no. There was magic in the original, but it was later retconned to be Gwen’s half alien powers
from Storm Front page 13
“If you’ve never touched it, it’s hard to explain. Magic is created by life, and most of all by the awareness, intelligence, emotions of a human being. To end such a life with the same magic that was born from it was hideous, almost incestuous somehow.”
page 15 of Storm Front discussing how more ritual type spells work
” I stood up, and rubbed at my face with my hands. “The way magic works. Whenever you do something with it, it comes from inside of you. Wizards have to focus on what they’re trying to do, visualize it, believe in it, to make it work. You can’t make something happen that isn’t a part of you, inside. The killer could have murdered them both and made it look like an accident, but she did it this way. To get it done this way, she would have had to want them dead for very personal reasons, to be willing to reach inside them like that. Revenge, maybe. Maybe you’re looking for a lover or a spouse. “
I’m going with Dresden as well, his shield seems to be more than enough to withstand Gwen’s powers (which haven’t been shown to be lethal afaik)
okay why the hell is the post with no links I posted right above 31 awaiting moderation? there’s only quotes in it.
Okay is there a text limit on posts now or something?
well looks like you have to wait five hours to read the quotes about magic or however long it takes a post with fucking quotes to be moderated.
and seriously what the hell, I could buy needing to make sure somethings not wrong with links but fucking quotes? Really?
There might be a certain limit to text too.
Still better then Disqus.
A little more for ,shows she is pretty fast on her feet
thing is I posted less than you did because I accidentally hit post. So I don’t know why it’s being moderated, thought it might have been a glitch but when I tried reposting the same quotes it still didn’t work.
Maybe it’s a coding glitch?
maybe, sent a message to admin asking what the deal with the site was and if we should know about it
You’ll just have to make another post letting everybody know your other post finally got through, I guess.
Okay, right now Gwen seems to only rely on spells that have specific powers. Stuff like firing blasts, lifting things, making shields, creating objects like hardlight sword(whip, platform, hoverboard), energybeam eyes, tracking people, etc she can just do.
Some old Ben 10 spells
In the video i posted at #34 it shows that she has some spells that can incapacitate ( well it incapacitated ben)
1:37-1:40, Gwen redirects a fire ball
1:52-1:58, Shows he agility in battle while remaining combat effective
2:04-2:07, Rapid fire blast
2:09-2:11, Speed feat/blocking energy beams
2:52-3:00, Wind control
3:21-3:30, Blast knocking trucks into the air
3:43-3:48, disintegrating multiple objects
Shield takes getting hit by tidal wave
Another reflex/reaction feat.
command over gravity with gravity spell
At the very last second, the vampire seemed to sense something. It turned its head toward me.
I clenched my fist as I released my will and snarled, “Gravitus!”
The magic lashed out into the ground beneath the vampire’s feet, and the steady, slow, immovable power of the earth suddenly stirred, concentrating, reaching up for the vampire standing upon it. In technical terms, I didn’t actually increase the gravity of the earth beneath it. I only concentrated it a little. In a circle fifty yards across, for just a fraction of a second, gravity vanished. The cars all surged up against their shock absorbers and settled again. The thin coat of snow leapt several inches off the parking lot and fell back.
In that same fraction of a second, all of that gravity from all of that area concentrated itself into a circle, maybe eighteen inches across, directly at the vampire’s feet.
There was no explosion, no flash of light—and no scream. The vampire just went down, slammed to the earth as suddenly and violently as if I’d dropped an anvil on it. There was a rippling, crackling sound as hundreds of bones shattered all together, and a splatter of sludgy liquid that splashed all over the cars around the vampire—mostly upon the Beetle, really.
Side Jobs: IT’S MY BIRTHDAY, TOO
and another time around.
“Gravitus!” I thundered, releasing a second earthcrafting.
Once again, everything jumped up—but this time, it wasn’t quiet. The circle of nullified gravity embraced every shop nearby in the mall, sending merchandise and shelves and dishes and furniture and cash registers and dressing dummies and God knew what other sundry objects flying up, to come crashing back down to the floor again. A great uproar of hundreds of impacts came down from the floors above us as well.
Once again, the circle of supergravity crushed a brown-shirted vampire flat to the floor—only I’d forgotten about the levels above. There was a shriek of tortured metal, and a great crashing rain of debris came down in a nearly solid column as floors and ceilings gave way under the sudden, enormous stress. It all thundered down on the pulped vampire.
There was a second of shocked silence, while objects continued falling from their shelves and bins and who knew what else. Evidently, the damage to the ceiling had torn through some plumbing; a steady stream of water began to patter down from overhead onto the mound of rubble, along with occasional bits of still-falling material.
Side Jobs: IT’S MY BIRTHDAY, TOO
2:19-2:23, Sleep spell
3:12-3:15 Crystal barrier
3:22-3:28, wind spell ripping machine apart
3:35-3:38, high gravity spell
3:38-3:44, cuases attack to melt harmlessly…. also Ben.
4:11-4:16, puts out fire
4:17-4:26, creates rock golems
4:27-4:31, controls multiple objects around her
4:34-4:40, another wind spell(also tk in bringing the book to her and to the right page)
4:41-4:46, Lightning strong enough to hurt mutated Kevin
5:13-5:16, AoE paralyzing wave spell
5:16-5:25, Transforms Ben back into human form
5:38-5:40, can liberate from being held
5:42-5:46, magic handcuffs
7:40-7:46, Cuts someone off from magic
7:54-7:57, House sized shieldthat withstands constant bombardment
Gravity spells take a bit to do. Gwen could disrupt him while he’s trying to make it, attack him, or put a gravity spell on him in less time.
Also giving Gwen to much time means she could recite the time spell that would allow her to travel back and stop time… Speaking of which, she used that and while Ben+friends where stuck she showed she erased memories.
can’t she only go back to the beginning of the match for the purposes of the debate though?
Yea the rule does say that but doesn’t that give her restarts with knowldge she would have on dresden?
“I’m going with Dresden as well, his shield seems to be more than enough to withstand Gwen’s powers (which haven’t been shown to be lethal afaik)”
The character+show type keeps her from showing that. She’s created swords and cut through/blasting metal pillars, even as they were adapting to make it harder for her to do so… If a oerson was hit with something that destroys that I’m pretty sure it would be lethal.
Hey, Gwen has heat vision. Not very magiky but heat vision is always a nice bonus.
“can’t she only go back to the beginning of the match for the purposes of the debate though?”
Thought it was was can’t go “Past” the beginning? Merged timeline something about not going past that point…
Two barriers that could crush or pin Dresden
merging point/start of the battle, she can’t go back to before they started fighting and warn herself of anything or go back and kill Dresden before the fight started.
as for barriers
they might, or they might not, blasts of soulfire enhanced force would likely shatter them.
“merging point/start of the battle, she can’t go back to before they started fighting and warn herself of anything or go back and kill Dresden before the fight started.”
But I wasn’t talking about going past that. I was talking about going to the beginning and stop time…
@Admiral at #50
Doesn’t Dresden still have Solvos to fall back on to break enemy defenses caused by Magic or other sorts of Supernatural powers?
Is souls fire actually fire?If so could gwen redirect it?
No Soulfire is just using your own Soul to power your attacks. It amps them up to crazy levels, depending on how deep you delve to use it.
It is the same as Hellfire, though Hellfire destroys, Soulfire builds.
So in this fight it would be equal to pure mana?
“as for barriers
they might, or they might not, blasts of soulfire enhanced force would likely shatter them.”
In “Max Out”, Max uses a null void gun as an explosive and say the he believes it should take out everything in about half a mile. He tells Gwen to put up a force field to protect her and the rest. Improvised explosive goes off, Gwen get a barrier up just in time, explosion leaves a crater where the factory used to be, Gwen and friends are fine… except for the whole believing Max was dead thing.
Gwen survives temprature that instantly turns the ground into lava(magma?) like.
Found a short clip of the factory explosion. Wish it would show the rest of it but begger/chooser etcetc.
I don’t think Dresden has shown capable of that level of pure destruction… At least not without a lot of effort and draining himself.
Wouldn’t Soulfire, considering what it is; be absorbable?
Speaking of absorbing
1:03-1:05 of the video has a speed feat/energy absorbing
“If so could gwen redirect it?”
Probably if he put it in projectile form.
wouldn’t all mana/energy constructs considering what they are be redirectable as any spell Dresden has countered?
Bit of a stamina feat. She teleported her in kevin in, this is something known to be a bit difficult to due and often leaves her tried or with a bit of a headache. However she still manages to put up a fight and hold he own while remaining mobile/agile/ and powerful enough to destory the attacking pillar things.
“Doesn’t Dresden still have Solvos to fall back on to break enemy defenses caused by Magic or other sorts of Supernatural powers?”
Wasn’t that used against a weak ward? It might work on something like the magic handcuffs Gwen made but her defenses tend to be solid strong. I mean unless she’s just using it to take some sting off an incoming attack but that seems to be more earlier Gwen, back when she wasn’t as experienced with her powers.
Honestly, if mana 100%=magic, they would of never bothered to make her a pink lantern in the first place.
Haven’t seen much of the show since AF, but I’m pretty sure they’ve said “it’s not magic” at least a few times.
“wouldn’t all mana/energy constructs considering what they are be redirectable as any spell Dresden has countered?”
Gwen generally has control over her stuff. Most of what Dresden encounters are fire and forget type of things that don’t tend to be rapidfired.
Plus there’s the fact that she more then likely absorb one of he own attacks.
“Haven’t seen much of the show since AF, but I’m pretty sure they’ve said “it’s not magic” at least a few times.”
It’s life energy or somethinglikethat. It’s what everything is made of and they can manipulate it and that’s why they can reality warp or somethinglike that when they master their abilities. I think it was mentioned in “what are little girls are made of”.
the mana or magic thing hasn’t gotten less mudled with the Ultimate Alien Charmcaster episodes either where they go to a realm made of magic through a magic portal to fight a powerful magic turtle alien that is also magic proof
Between trying to find legal means to get rid of Rahl and fighting someone like Tennyson, I wonder which one might be more difficult.
One thing’s for sure, if regular Solvos doesn’t seem to be doing too well, what happens if it got Soulfire’d?
oh, and on the Solvos thing, I know in that one instance at least Dresden used as much force as he needed to break the ward, so it might be like any of his more used spells that depend on how much power is in them
So mobility wise,how is dresden? I know Gwen can fly (that might be just anodite form) but i know she can make constructs to float.
“So mobility wise,how is dresden?”
Quick runner, think he has superhuman speed wise. Has used his force spell as a boost when jumping.
“I know Gwen can fly (that might be just anodite form) but i know she can make constructs to float.”
She did use he barriers as a hoverboard. So it’s kind of like flight.
@Lowk Vi Britannia(AKA a Prince of Britannia!) at #69
I’m not sure if it’s a fight to the death or not in play, but either way considering that Post-Changes Dresden has Unlimited Stamina on his side, wouldn’t that mean Gwen would have to wipe Dresden across the floor if not wipe him out completely as quickly as she can manage while the only known reason so far that Dresden can’t simply outlast her via attrition is because there’s no way to assure that Time is on his side?
1.) (Anyone saw what I did there at the end of the 1st question?)
Super Human,ok so nothing to crazy,something Gwen has fought against more or less.
Do you remember how fast she could fly?Because if Dresden cant hit her in the first place,things get difficult
“I’m not sure if it’s a fight to the death or not in play, but either way considering that Post-Changes Dresden has Unlimited Stamina on his side, wouldn’t that mean Gwen would have to wipe Dresden across the floor if not wipe him out completely as quickly as she can manage while the only known reason so far that Dresden can’t simply outlast her via attrition is because there’s no way to assure that Time is on his side?”
Gwen can draw energy from the things around her. Probably even from Dresden or Dresden’s enchanted stuff like his staff or duster. So she’s kind of got a pretty good reserve energy source to tap into.
“Do you remember how fast she could fly?Because if Dresden cant hit her in the first place,things get difficult”
It wasn’t fast enough for something like that from what I remember.
However when Daigon took control of her body it did show that she is capable at running at superhuman speeds. Not sure how long Gwen her self could maintain that without him though. Still, should around Dresden’s speed range.
Interesting match (Lowk, did you just start Code Geass? Great show.)
I feel Gwen has a solid chance of victory, but a few things before I say anything. I know her shields have been broken before. Also, in that episode with Michael Morningstar (energy vampire) we have seen that Gwen can indeed be drained of her energy reserves.
Do we know how much it takes to break her shields?
Does Dresden have a way to drain her power?
@Dr. Doctor at #73
While I too can agree that Code Geass is epic win, we may want to save it in-depth for discussions at the topia or in regards to Super Robot Wars, speaking of which it has a fight alongside the rest of Super Robot Wars against DC Comics.
Either way if Gwen wants Lady Victory to pass a nod to her, she will have to beat Post-Changes Dresden quickly, Easier said than done when you factored in the things he’s done during Changes alone, really.
As for me, while I might hope Dresden walks out with victory’s nod, I’ll brace myself if Lady Victory grants the nod to Gwen instead, okay?*
1.) (I’ll refrain from in-depth digressions back at Cysero’s defenders if you’re still on, okay?)
“Lowk, did you just start Code Geass?”
No, Just be re watching Code Ment. It’s like the original, if the original had been made by a humorous mad man.
“Also, in that episode with Michael Morningstar (energy vampire) we have seen that Gwen can indeed be drained of her energy reserves.”
Didn’t she re-absorb the power like she did against Charmcaster
Speaking of which she actually has knows her spell for siphoning energy because of charmcaster didn’t she?
“I feel Gwen has a solid chance of victory, but a few things before I say anything. I know her shields have been broken before.”
They seem to start out that way and she kinds of uses them as a buffer. They break but they they serve the purpose of keeping from getting hit. As the series progress they seem to get more durable.
“Do we know how much it takes to break her shields?”
To forcibly break her shields recently she seems to have trouble maintaining a barrier when up against sustained damage from strong hits. Like hits from Ben or Kevin in there superstrong forms, stuff like Way Bigs continuous beam thing.
At her best she’s shrugged of hit from exploding building exploding, Verdona blasting them into a deep crater, tidel wave, explosives, crushing pillars.
Recently she toke a hit from Looma
Who by going by Rook, is supposedly considered stronger then fourarms due to being a female of the species.
wow my posts went through now
@Admiral at #76
All those quotes were gathered in a cave, With a Box of Scraps!!!!
Okay maybe not literally, the point that the quotes are awesome still stands.
I recalled that Gwen had to fight a lot of lethal enemies, but as far as individually speaking and Vilgax or anything at his threat level or above aside, did she had to fight anything that would have rivaled the likes of the Skinwalker from Turn Coats, Nicodemus Archelone from Volumes 5, 10 and soon to be 15, and even Arianna Ortega of the Red Court Vampires from Changes when Dresden started with the Winter Knight Mantle?
I can’t say I recalled too much on the foes, all I recalled was that Gwen had to fight the High-breed and the forces under their command whose names elude me, sadly. T_T
That was in most of Alien Force, if we’re using the Gwen from Alien Force-Ultimate Alien timeline, Gwen probably had to fight more formidable foes later on.
Does it matter if her enemies rivaled that of Dresden they arent in th fight.
The only way they matter is if they bring to the table something that Dresden does if so then she is use to it.
“did she had to fight anything that would have rivaled the likes of the Skinwalker from Turn Coats”
The creatures they have to fight on a daily basis tend to be super strong/tough/fast. Or at least 2 of those. She took out Rath once by putting his head in an air tight bubble so he’s run out of air and pass out.
Morningstar seems to fit. Darkness seems to be his attribute, a manipulative monster, and he’s an evil bastard.
Charmcaster or her uncle Hex.
@Amm0 at #79
Its to gauge the foe quality that both sides had to deal with, I’d wager that both sides in here have fought worse odds than each other, and my main motives for asking this sort of question I asked is because I wish to know just how mutual in extent would this fact be with each other.
@Lowk Vi Britannia at #80
Since it wasn’t stated with what breed the Turn Coats’ Skinwalker had to fight, only that it might not have been a Sorcerer-Type, close enough.
Morningstar’s also a case of Light is Not Good for Tv tropes terms and coincidentally, Archelone has a Fallen Angel he’s willingly bonded with, I wonder if anyone tried a VMA fight with Morningstar.
Not quite that ancient in comparison, but the ruthlessness is enough.
With Charmcaster and/or Hex:
Only either Charmcaster or Hex might qualify in terms of honest threat levels in scope, scale is up in the air but Charmcaster at least is no slouch with fighting via Magic, plus Charmcaster managed to stay sharp with Magical Kombat so bonus kudos to her in foe quality!
I never thought a fight like this would be so much fun, I apologize for the mistaking if I was wrong for underestimating it so badly.
Remember what I said on #74:
My wish aside, I now have more breathing room to begin the self-bracing if Gwen walks out, Big If is Big as I noted but like I said, I’ll brace myself if she walks out.
That is reasonable,I said what i said because sometimes foe quality doesn’t matter
For example:Gabriel Belmont vs Kratos,Kratos has fought deadlier people but Gabriel won that fight,
I could bring more fiights where it didnt matter,but dont want to off topic to much
@Amm0 at #82
You also make just as fair and honest a point as I have, no harm no foul is what I’ll say.
Will it still be within the thread if I had to ask about the various antagonist factions both sides had to deal with, heroic* or otherwise?
1.) (Or in Dresden’s case more like Anti-Heroic but the point still stands with him?)
It seems like it would be ontopic if not just a little tangent off but it should’t hurt. Since you are asking to gauge what both would be good or experienced with
So where may we begin with regards on the overall foe quality in both as far as factions are concerned, so far?
Dresden’s case might look increasingly more like a Multi-factional conspiracy going on in there that is targeting him and everything he holds dear, and as far as I’m aware only the higher-up immortals like Odin’s DF-verse Avatar or ArchAngel Uriel appear to be doing anything about that, the former actually helped to cause a major chunk of a lot of the ways the Modern DF-verse is coming across so far, actually.*
1.) (I can’t mention much about the extent without hazarding the inflicting of spoiler plethoras, but the point still stands, yes?)
What can be recalled about the factions of foes that Gwen Tennyson had to deal with alongside her cousin Ben?
“Only either Charmcaster or Hex might qualify in terms of honest threat levels in scope, scale is up in the air but Charmcaster at least is no slouch with fighting via Magic, plus Charmcaster managed to stay sharp with Magical Kombat so bonus kudos to her in foe quality!”
They seemed closet due to the fact that they both use magic and have at least once put Gwen’s loved ones in danger or kidnapped them. Though Hex might actually be a bit more of a threat since it’s shown that he is fairly capable of taking over the world.
Cant Gwen become like a Final-Fantasy-6-Esper-Terra rip off and go lolHax?
Not sure how that’s work against Dressie though.
Speaking of which.
Terra Bradford vs Gwen?
So barring magic and guns and stuff,if they were to get into a close range fight.
I know gwen knows martial arts,what kind idk but she does but i dont know how much striking or just strenght she has shown. What about Dresden
*Branford. Silly me.
@Capt. Xeno at #87
Been a while since the last talk we had, for months by count I can’t recall ATM.
I’ll get the thread up at the VMA ASAP!
Ask and Ye Shall Receive! ^_^
Awesome, isn’t it?
@Lowk Vi Britannia at #86
That explains it, although not to come across as holding it against the Tennysons but we KNOW that Dresden would and did Kill someone like Arianna Ortega Permadead, I’ve no idea whether or not either of the two have made any confirmed kills yet.
For that matter I’ve no idea why I had to ask the matter here either, all I know is that its just food for thought, take it as you will while I’ll go and make a shrug, agreed?
You have more to expand with Charmcaster or Hex?
Could Gwen make the bubble around Dresdens head and make him pass out? Or kill him?
@Amm0 at #91
If we were talking Incapacitation regards, while it may definitely work on Pre-Changes Dresden, I’m not sure if it’ll work on Post-Changes Dresden since Unlimited Stamina’s a beyotch to worry about if your enemy has it but you don’t.
Besides, I’m not sure whether or not it’s meant to be a fight to the death or not, all I know is that I’m hoping Dresden walks out of this mess with victory’s nod but I’m learning to brace myself if the opposite is true.
That and Solvos isn’t necessarily ruled out altogether in terms of overall usefulness, either.
Since most if not all fights that arent specified are to the death,and gwen has the i dont kill thing going for her (which would be taken away) I think she could kill him with it.
If she could get one on him,Because you can have all the stamina in the world but with out air,you may just die,if you need it. Like Dresden does….i think
@Amm0 at #93
So let me get this straight, both sides have means to immobilize the opposition long enough to KO or end the lives of the opposing side, yes?
If I recalled correctly, Dresden learned how to make Magical Sealing Circles with his mind via Magic, he gets Gwen in any of those and it might be enough to leave an opening for Dresden to end the fight right then and there unless Gwen has a way out, right?
Yea that was never a problem,its who could first and make it a good one so the opposition cant respond
How Fast can he make them? Whats the strongest thing it has held?And are they like that of satans off of Castlevania Lords of Shadow
@Amm0 at #95
Normally speaking I’d go to see if the opposition can be smacked down senselessly enough to make sure said sealing means could work effectively in the 1st place, but if they start off with that means first, you have ap oint with them being more critical than initially expected, there.
The ones done with his mind?
Sadly I can’t recall the strength of the ones done Pre-Changes but before Dresden learned how to do that, he was able to physically Draw Magical Circles and trap some Faeries in the beginning chapters of Storm Front when he tried to ask for more info on what was going on.*
1.) (Storm Front days consisted of the least potent of the Pre-Changes Incarnations of Dresden, actually!)
So gwen could not fly out of one of these? for example
I brought up castlevania lords of shadow Satan. He can make seals to hold gabriel in place using light or Shadow magic.
They hold him in a spot by magical,eletrical bonds so he cant move.
Is that what dresdens are like or is it like Gwen were she makes a dome around you but He doesnt have to use his energy to preserve it
@Amm0 at #97
Sadly speaking I’m not the person to recall such details, all I recall is that once someone is bound by Dresden’s case, nothing short of outside influences brought by the target may be of help to get out, unless the Admiral wishes to correct this memory-based inaccuracy, really.
So, what’s been discussed so far?
on the bubbles around Dresden’s head or around him, Dresden has dealt with tk holding him and shattering wards before, either spell might work to shatter the energy fields.
Dresden could always yank the ground out from under her feet, it wouldn’t stop her but it would throw her off at least
“My evocation died away, and the entity’s cloak settled down again. Once more, its eyes flashed, and the earth beneath my feet and slightly behind me erupted, solid rock splitting and cracking. Sharp shards flew up from the supernatural impact, and I instantly felt half a dozen hot, stinging cuts on my legs and back.
“Ow,” I muttered. “At least they weren’t in any tender spots, I guess.” Then again I summoned my will and soulfire, this time focusing on the earth near the entity. “Geodas!” I shouted, and the earth beneath the entity twisted and screamed, suddenly opening into a sinkhole.
The entity never moved. It just stood there on empty air, as if I hadn’t literally pulled the ground out from under it.”
Turn Coat, Chap 36
and I can’t help wondering if Dresden just shooting her in the face would work. I mean if she’s full Anodite it wouldn’t probably but if she’s still human then bullet through the skull likely ends her.
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