Published on January 7, 2013, by admin - Posted in Duels 45
Suggested by ka
Here we have Roland Deschain from the Dark Tower series facing off against Revolver Ocelot of the Metal Gear Solid franchise.
Revolver Ocelot is in his Metal Gear Solid 3 incarnation.
The battle will take place were Nero fought Berial in Devil May Cry 4.
Who would win?
hey everyone im back from vacation did i miss any good match ups
It is here and now that I regret not reading the Dark Tower. I know very little of Roland, a lot less than I would like to. That said, I can’t wait to see how this match will turn out, especially cause I don’t even know who Roland’s foe is.
While cocky, Ocelot is no joke when it comes to gun fighting considering he can ricochet his bullets (which will help in this environment) and fire with fairly good accuracy his triplet revolvers. Going by the end of MGS3, if this fight became more close ranged, he isn’t exactly a slouch in CQC.
All this is spoken without knowledge on his opponent so I’m not calling any winners.
Just read a bit through Marston vs Ocelot.
Not knowledgeable on either, so I can’t really say anything, but ricocheting bullets (a completely bullshit ability, but oh well) puts him a few cuts above most gunslingers.
Blue Beetle vs Iron Man (bleeding edge).
Ocelot gets shot when he does his howl, which he will. But if he shoots the other guy first, he may just win.
I don’t know who Roland is so I won’t state the winner.
What Ocelot can do has already being stated but I just have to say something, I know this environment pretty well as I played the game and I’m afraid there is no metal or very hard surfaces for Ocelot’s bullets to ricochet from.
I’ve seen them ricochet from trees but that was a gameplay mechanic, same thing as ricocheting from dirt.
But my point is that the town is mostly wood, that is why it ignited on fire when Nero fought Berial.
super sweet my match got posted
well since more people know ocelot than roland i’ll get up some feats
incredibly fast reload speed
“He retreated, moving his body like a dancer to avoid the flying missiles. He reloaded as he went, with a rapidity that had also been trained into his fingers. They shuttled busily between gunbelts and cylinders. The mob came up over the boardwalk and he stepped into the general store and rammed the door closed. The large display window to the right shattered inward and three men crowded through. Their faces were zealously blank, their eyes filled with bland fire. He shot them all, and the two that followed them. They fell in the window, hung on the jutting shards of glass, choking the opening.”
has been known to shoot down the barrel of your gun as you fire causing your gun to explode
“My bullet must have struck the cylinder of his gun at the second he pulled the trigger,” the gunslinger said. He spoke as dryly as a professor giving a police academy ballistics lecture. “The result was an explosion that tore the back off his gun. I think one or two of the other cartridges may have exploded as well.”
quick enough reactions to attack before a police officer could even draw
“”Hold it!” O’Mearah screamed, his voice a mixture of anger and dismay. He was starting to raise Fat Johnny’s Magnum, but it was as Roland had suspected: the gunslingers of this world were pitifully slow. He could have shot O’Mearah three times, but there was no need. He simply swung the scatter-gun in a strong, climbing arc. There was a flat smack as the stock connected with O’Mearah’s left cheek, the sound of a baseball bat connecting with a real steamer of a pitch. All at once O’Mearah’s entire face from the cheek on down moved two inches to the right. It would take three operations and four steel pegs to put him together again. He stood there for a moment, unbelieving, and then his eyes rolled up the whites. His knees unhinged and he collapsed.”
shoots guns out of peoples hands
“Staunton went flailing back into his partner. His pistol flew from his hand. Wheaton held onto his own, but by the time he had gotten clear of Staunton , he heard a shot and his gun was magically gone. The hand it had been in felt numb, as if it had been struck with a very large hammer.”
draws to fast for another incredibly fast gunslinger to even tack his movements “Eddie didn’t ask questions. His rage and confusion were wiped from his mind immediately. He dropped, and as he did, he saw the gunslinger’s left hand blur down to his side. My God, he thought, still falling, he CAN’T be that fast, no one can be that fast, I’m not bad but Susannah makes me look slow and he makes Susannah look like a turtle trying to walk uphill on a piece of glass”
im sorry that last feat is missing the beginning quotation mark its supposed to be at his rage
More Roland Yay!
My money is on the Gunslinger of Gilead. He has insane reflexes/reaction speed, even when he had the use of only one hand.
I dont know the guy roland but ocelot has much experience with twin revolvers and can even curve his bullets the only thing that may keep him winning is his pride if he even gets roland down he will start mocking which may give him a bullet in the mouth
Didn’t Roland lose all of his fingers on one of his hands, come to think of it?
I sold MGS3 can somone tell me if revolver ocelot is liquid in MGS4 sorry for the random question the MGS story is just so complicated somtimes
“Didn’t Roland lose all of his fingers on one of his hands, come to think of it?”
no he lost some of them but SPOILER ALERT:
he gets them back after going to the top of the tower
and mgs3 is before he got liquids arm but yes in mgs4 liquid took over ocelots body
See what i mean confusing
“See what i mean confusing”
and that is why i chose mgs3 incarnation. its nice clear and simple
”and that is why i chose mgs3 incarnation. its nice clear and simple”
But current incarnation Ocelot (After MGS3), He had much more experience and better gun slinging skills than younger Ocelot (He got better over the years), In MGS1 he could ricochet a bullet off walls MULTIPLE times just to hit his target.
MGS3 Ocelot could only ricochet a bullet once and that was something he didn’t considered an option unless necessary, older Ocelot did it better and he did it so many times that it looked like if it was his only method of shooting someone, ricocheting a bullet off a wall multiple times for him was as easy as shooting a straight shot just a few meters away.
didn’t mgs1 ocelot loose his arm though?
”didn’t mgs1 ocelot loose his arm though?”
He uses one gun anyways, and then he got his arm transplanted with liquid’s, before he was taken over by Liquid he was more experienced than in MGS1.
After that he is no longer Ocelot if not Liquid, so Ocelot’s latest incarnation ends about near the end of MGS2 when Liquid is reborn.
“has been known to shoot down the barrel of your gun as you fire causing your gun to explode”
I think this could be useful if only he can spot Ocelot before being seen.
“incredibly fast reload speed”
This could actually be of the most use here as Ocelot loves to take his time in reloading going by his CIS. However, he’d have to wait for him to reach that point as he does possess three revolvers from MGS3 and between ricocheting bullets as well as having more ammo, it’d be hard for Roland to exploit.
“I think this could be useful if only he can spot Ocelot before being seen.”
That brings up the question of *where* in this town do they start.
And how far apart would also be nice to know.
Whats the standard distance apart if not specified?
for distance i was thinking they start on the opposite side of the town but on the same street
”This could actually be of the most use here as Ocelot loves to take his time in reloading going by his CIS.”
When Ocelot fought Big Boss for the third time (as a boss battle this time), he shows just how fast he can reload and he was not holding back, the CIS we should worry about is when it comes to reloading sometimes he reloads right in front of his enemy, even with Ocelots great reload speed he still has 16 holes to fill up (he has 3 revolvers but only uses 2 of them) and that gives his enemy just a few seconds to get a shot on Ocelot (and if it’s Roland then there is no exceptions), and I would also like to point out that Ocelot is new to using a revolver, he was using hand guns with mags until Snake schooled him and recommended using a revolver.
As you can see he does kind of take cover but in this fight there is no gameplay mechanics so if any of them gets shot it’s over.
During the battle, while reloading, Ocelot makes replies such as:
”I never felt a tension like this before!”
”That’s so different from simply changing a clip!”
”This reload time is exhilarating!!!”
”Reloading like this it’s a revolution!”
And ”Thank you for teaching me the joy of the revolver!”
He is clearly just getting started when it comes to reloading revolvers.
It takes Ocelot 3 seconds to empty the chamber of one of his revolvers and another 3 to reload them (I counted as soon as he did it, many times and I’m pretty sure it always ends on 3 seconds), so it takes him 6 seconds (not counting the position transaction time from emptying the chamber (wich is an upward hand position) to reloading the chamber (wich is a downward position close to the ammo), so it takes him 12 seconds to reload his two revolvers (not counting the transaction time from putting away his reloaded revolver and getting the other one out for reload).
Sorry if you if it’s hard to understand, so I give Ocelot a reloading time of under 20 seconds maybe 16 seconds max and 13 seconds minimum.
But this is completely useless as any of this two can end the fight with a bullet or two, so I doubt they will be reloading.
So this turns into a ”who sees who first”.
In the video at 1:53 Ocelot engages in a Quick-Draw, he walks up to Snake slowly with his revolvers holstered, Snake fires at him but then Ocelot dodges the bullet and shoots back at Snake (somebody know if Ocelot really dodge that bullet? I have my doubts).
So if both see each other, what about it?
Will Roland and Ocelot politely engage in a Quick-Draw?
And will this feat help Ocelot?
Everybody is debating as if they where separated in a different location of the town, truthfully this town is very small.
It only has like small 4 houses, it’s more likely that they will spot each other first.
”for distance i was thinking they start on the opposite side of the town but on the same street”
The is it a quick draw, or are they gonna start run and gun?
given both characters personalities it’d probably turn into a quick draw. unless someone runs for cover but again with cis i figure more times than not it’ll be a quick draw
@ post #28 reload speed definitely goes to roland since he can reload both of his guns at the same time
roland kills 58 people with one shot each (excluding one woman who shot in the face 4 times out of rage)
”roland kills 58 people with one shot each (excluding one woman who shot in the face 4 times out of rage)”
I wonder how much of a bitch she was.
I could do the same if everybody lines up for a head shot. What I’m trying to say is that I know that Roland is a good shot and that killing 58 each with one shot could be easy if not established their condition, they are ”townspeople” and Roland got 21 or more wounds on him.
Did the townspeople have experience with weapons? Or did they even have weapons when they fought Roland?
21 or more wounds shows that Roland may take 3 or 5 shots to take down (most of the wounds where shallow).
Is their feats of him surviving after deadly wounds?
At 2:17 we see Ocelot for the first time, what we see here is Ocelot going in front of the enemy juts to have a little chat, this is not CIS, this are Russians that are on Ocelots side but don’t follow his orders, this is why they let him walk in without shooting first. Ocelot wanted the scientist so he went in to see if they where willing to back down in his presence but they didn’t so Ocelot dispose of them.
The scene was in slow motion the hole time, he shot 5 soldiers that where already pointing at him, he did it pretty fast considering how his beret fell off during his turning, then shows off this ricochet tricks, I looked at it many times and I think Ocelot didn’t even look at where he shot to make the ricochet (it is also considered that Ocelot is gifted in order to do such calculations with such ease while in dangerous situation), all of those guys died in one shot.
Has Roland ever seen a bullet coming to the point that he dodge it?
Can you simply hit Roland if you aim and fire at his center mass?
I’m pretty sure he is an aim dodger, but will he expect a ricochet bullet if his around the corner? (assuming Roland takes cover and Ocelot knows where he is)
“I wonder how much of a bitch she was.”
major bitch just the worst
“Did the townspeople have experience with weapons? Or did they even have weapons when they fought Roland?”
no guns they had things like knives and tools (basic angry mob equipment) and they were throwing rocks bottles and such the entire battle
“21 or more wounds shows that Roland may take 3 or 5 shots to take down (most of the wounds where shallow).
Is their feats of him surviving after deadly wounds?”
“Has Roland ever seen a bullet coming to the point that he dodge it?
Can you simply hit Roland if you aim and fire at his center mass?
I’m pretty sure he is an aim dodger, but will he expect a ricochet bullet if his around the corner? (assuming Roland takes cover and Ocelot knows where he is)”
a bullet maybe not i’l have to look through the novels again and check he has been known to dodge and shoot exploding sneeches (yes harry potter sneeches) out of mid air
The horse would be would be the most relieble ride in the zombie apocolypse and a trained horse rider would know how to calm the horse panicking
fuck! wrong comment wrong place
roland taking down robots armed with sneeches and light sabers with ease
“Roland also began to fire, shooting from the hip, shooting almost casually, but each bullet found its mark. He was after the ones on the path, wanting to pile up bodies there, to make a barricade if he could.”
“While Jake reloaded the Ruger, Roland and Eddie, standing side by side, went to work. They almost certainly could have taken the remaining eight between them (it didn’t much surprise Eddie that there had been nineteen in this last cluster), but they left the last two for Jake”
roland picking off sneeches mid air”
“They reached Jake just as the remaining Wolves made their last charge. A few threw sneetches. These Roland and Eddie picked out of the air easily.”
“Only this time the sneetch didn’t strike the pyramid. It flew past it instead, soaring above the road. Roland rolled off Patrick and onto his back. His eyes picked up the golden blur and marked the place where it buttonhooked back toward its targets. He shot it out of the air like a clay plate. There was a blinding flash and then it was gone.”
“Those blue eyes were still clear when the sneetches bolted past above the road. This time one buttonhooked left and the other right. They took evasive action, jigging crazily first one way and then another. It made no difference. Roland waited, sitting with his legs outstretched and his old broken boots cocked into a relaxed V, his heart beating slow and steady, his eye filled with all the world’s clarity and color (had he seen better on that last day, he believed he would have been able to see the wind). Then he snapped his gun up, blew both sneetches out of the air, and was once more reloading the empty chambers while the afterimages still pulsed with his heartbeat in front of his eyes.”
“They had been pinned down for what Roland judged to be an hour when the King tried another pair of sneetches. This time they flew on either side of the pyramid and hooked back almost at once, coming at him in perfect formation but twenty feet apart. Roland took the one on the right, snapped his wrist to the left, and blew the other one out of the sky. The explosion of the second one was close enough to buffet his face with warm air, but at least there was no shrapnel; when they blew, they blew completely, it seemed.”
“The stem never did break. In the end, the rose tore free of the ground, roots and all. Roland rolled to his left, grabbed his gun, and fired without looking. His heart told him there was no longer time to look. There was a shattering explosion, and the warm air that buffeted his face this time was like a hurricane.”
“he Old King threw four more sneetches, and Roland took care of them all with calm ease.”
roland saving his own and a friends ass by dodging sneetches
“Patrick stood transfixed, peering dumbly at the Tower; he would have been blown out of his boots if not for Roland, whose reflexes were as quick as ever. He pulled the mute boy behind die heaped stone of the pyramid by their joined hands.
There were other stones hidden in the high grass of dock and jimson; they stumbled over these and went sprawling. Roland felt the corner of one digging painfully into his ribs.
The whistle continued to rise, becoming an earsplitting whine. Roland saw a golden something flash past in the air-one of the sneetches. It struck the cart and it blew up, scattering their gunna every which way. Most of the stuff settled back to the road, cans rattling and bouncing, some of them burst.”
as far as the close range combat also roland is no slouch
defeats the man whos trained generations of gunslingers
a man tried to get the drop on him while he was having sex and roland owned him
“he brought the knife down with both hands, and the gunslinger caught his wrists and turned them. The knife went flying. Sheb made a high screeching noise, like a rusty screen door. His hands fluttered in marionette movements, both wrists broken.”
roland at age 14 killing a mutant wolf with his bare hands
and while we all debated quick silver no one gave a single fuck about rolands quick draw
perhaps i’ve not been thorough enough in my reading here, but it seems no one has taken sheer intelligence into the equation. having personally defeated revolver ocelot with the use of tranquilizers and a bees’ nest, i’d have to say that ocelot loses any fight that amounts to more than a single gunshot (the projectile of which could be probably be found later in ocelot’s corpse, anyway)
roland would so lose hahaha omfg he would remember that he like to drink cat urine and vomit so hard that his intestines come out and then he would die
gasp! people actually debated this thread while i was gone!
dafaq are you talking about
Roland would win, both whole and diminished hands down. Whatever incarnation of Ocelot we’re dealing with he is still mostly just a man (nanomachines and all that make it “mostly”), Roland often engages and defeats robotic constructs, and various paranormal creatures (demons, witches, wizards, etc.).
That being said, for those who aren’t familiar with Roland, just think of him as a cowboy version of Snake (who also defeats robots and humans with paranormal abilities).
There seems to be some argument as to whether or not the experienced Ocelot would defeat Roland. Various passages throughout the Dark Tower seem to indicate that even before the indeterminately long sleep (untold years) forced upon him by Walter, Roland has been searching for seemingly an entire human lifetime, but only appears to be in his 40′s early 50′s. Walter tells him that Roland, like himself, may be “nearly immortal”.
As a huge fan of both Metal Gear and the Dark Tower, I must say this was a match up made in Outer Heaven, or the clearing at the end of the path.
In MGS1 Ninja took old Ocelots wrist, at the end Liquid died by foxdie and so Ocelot had Liquids arm stitched on. In MGS2 Liquid somehow starts taking over ocelots body.
Anyhow MGS3 ocelot seems a bit cocky and likely to make errors, so i’ll go with the other guy. (older ocelot however is pretty dangerous)
well i don’t think this will make much of a difference but since its before post 50 and it’d be nice to have this be debated. this is now MGS1 ocelot.
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