What If…Rand al’Thor and Richard Rahl Actually Met?

What If…Rand al'Thor and Richard Rahl Actually Met?

Suggested by Shgon Dunstan

OK, I had a thought while thinking about the “Rand al’Thor Vs Richard Rahl” match, that I’m sure many of you have had as well.
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What if they did meet?
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Now I’ve seen more than one thread putting them in each other’s place over the years, and… Those always seem to end the same, both are just too much of “Chosen Ones” for that to work out, unless you just up and give one of them everything that makes the other such…
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At which point you’re asking “What if everything was the same, but the main character had a different personality and a whole… Well, “book series” worth of extra power?”.
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The personality might mess a lot up in the flow of the story, but normally the power to stomp any enemy that dares show its face, the very moment it does so, tends to make up for that.
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Either way, it’s normally not vary fun.
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But what if one of them was just sent to the others world?
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So let’s see…
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Scenario 1: Both of them from the beginning of their own books, or thrown into the time-line of the start of the other ones book series(Note 1: no, this isn’t counting prologues that take place *long* before the story actually starts :D , and as I’d hope was clear with the thread being “Rand and Richard actually met” the one from that series is still there for them to “meet”).
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Scenario 2: Both of them in their “current incarnation”, or thrown into the time-line of the start of the other ones book series (Note 2: same as 1).
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Scenario 3: Both of them in their “current incarnation”, or thrown into the current time-line of the other ones book series(Note 3: and once again, the other is still there unchanged).
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In all Scenarios they appear in random spots(Aka: just pick one yourself, this is a “What if?” not a VS), and as I’m just a big softy :oops: , I’ll let both of them take all of their immediate family members with them, even the dead ones…. “Immediate” even being fairly (like vary :D ) loosely interpreted, up to and including people like Berelain(Rand’s half-brothers (as of me making this) girlfriend)… And as that would include “bad guys” for both of them, I’ll even let them pick which ones they take. :lol:
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Besides that, they get only stranded equipment, and yes I know that’s not a hell of a lot Scenario 1, but I will be kind enough to just take away any unavoidable, deadly, and just plan “unfixable out of their universe”, problem they might have built in(by which I mean the Taint for Rand, and any like problem Richard, or anyone ether takes with them, might have).
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So… What if?

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40 Comments on "What If…Rand al’Thor and Richard Rahl Actually Met?"

  1. Mike December 31, 2012 at 9:17 am -      #1

    Richard with his “immediate” family going into current WoT, would help the protagonists a lot. there would be, Richard, Kahlan, Zedd, Nathan, Jennsen, Drefan, and Darken. that’s 4 wizards, 1 confessor, 1 immune to magic, and one Raug Moss(healer). and if you take the interpretation loosely like Shgon said there would be mordsith, sisters of the dark/light…


    Why not just phrase it so they get to bring what would be their “entourage”?
    Adie
    Annalina Aldurren
    Kahlan Amnell
    Baraccus?
    Berdine
    All of the Mud People(since by their law they are family now)
    All of the Baka Tau Mana people(sameish)
    Dell Brandstone(Chase)
    Cara
    Jennsen Rahl
    Denna
    Ulic
    Egan
    Gratch(Short tailed gar)
    Gregory(Red dragon)
    Scarlet(Red dragon)
    Hally
    Holly
    Koloblicin?
    Pasha Maes
    Benjamin Meiffert
    Nicci
    Darken Rahl
    Drefan Rahl
    Jennsen Rahl
    Nathan Rahl
    Oba Rahl
    Panis Rahl
    Raina
    General Reibisch
    Rikka
    Ruben Rybnik :)
    Verna Sauventreen
    Shar
    Shota
    Commander General Trimack and the First File
    Warren
    Benjamin Meiffert and the Special Forces
    Captain Zimmer
    Zeddicus Zu’l Zorander

    And any others i may have forgotten that are basically considered family or have a deep connection with richard such as other mordsith or sisters of the light.
    -that’s 6 Sorceresses
    -1 witch woman
    -1 confessor
    -7 wizards(8 counting richard)
    -and around 30-40,000 elite troops ranging from fully armored personal guards, to near drizzt level dual schimitar wielders.


    WoT would be happy to have the help i’m sure. Someone would have to let me know what WoT would be bringing though since i’m not intimately familiar with the relationships in the WoT series.

  2. Shgon Dunstan December 31, 2012 at 10:32 am -      #2

    @Mike
    “Why not just phrase it so they get to bring what would be their “entourage”?”

    Mainly as all scenarios in this were meant at mostly just “guidelines”, so that it wasn’t just “and they both walk into a bar”, which is why I tried to make them rather loose in a lot of points.

    That and “entourage” would likely mean a literal army for both of them. :lol:

    And didn’t really mean *that* loosely, mostly like I said just didn’t want to brake up families and close friends, which is a bit different then Rand taking the entirety of his “near/first-sisters” that are the maidens of the spear.

  3. Shgon Dunstan December 31, 2012 at 10:43 am -      #3

    And though that might be a better picture of Richard(took me forever to find one where he didn’t look ether…. “grumpy” or just flat out about to kill you) I think I like the one I had for Rand better.

    Was just trying to use… Less combative pics for this, and it’s hard to find better pic to show the softer side of Rand then that shepherded picture…..

    …..Though what it says about Rand that you have to go that far back in his timeline to find one. :(

  4. NemoVonUtopia December 31, 2012 at 12:46 pm -      #4

    Well I think the not fun answer for them swapping at the beginning of the story is that Rand would go crazy and probably kill everyone around him and Richard would be a sheperd.

    What I think would be interesting is how Richard would proceed after winning Tear assuming he was named the Dragon Reborn. Would he do pretty much like Rand did, or would he not bother with the Aiel.

  5. PrimusxPilus December 31, 2012 at 12:59 pm -      #5

    Lol @ pissing off the Aiel

  6. DragonRebornSTOMP December 31, 2012 at 2:33 pm -      #6

    How is this an “actually met” thing if they are being transported into each other’s universe?

  7. Shgon Dunstan December 31, 2012 at 4:08 pm -      #7

    @DragonRebornSTOMP
    “How is this an “actually met” thing if they are being transported into each other’s universe?”

    Admittedly it was late when I typed this up :lol: (hence the *completely* unnecessary talk of threads that put them in each other’s place :oops: ), but one would think they’d meet eventually.

    and I did say for you to just pick a spot for them to show up.

    “Just out of sight of the other one” is “a spot”.

  8. Aelfinn December 31, 2012 at 4:44 pm -      #8

    How does the Sword of Truth Universe handle polygamy? How does Richard Rahl handle polygamy? Deep thoughts, by Aelfinn…

  9. DragonRebornSTOMP December 31, 2012 at 7:09 pm -      #9

    @Aelfinn LOL!!! What I want to know, is what would the Mord-Sith and the rest of Richard’s entourage think of Rand? His strength, his will, his new-found wisdom, his power which surpasses even that of their Lord Rahl? An the fact that the most distinguishing feature between them is their hair color. Even their eyes are grey.

  10. DragonRebornSTOMP December 31, 2012 at 7:29 pm -      #10

    Insert ‘both of’ between “Even” and “their”.

  11. PrimusxPilus December 31, 2012 at 7:34 pm -      #11

    Lol. Well rand and his lovers alone would Fuck shit up. Two channelers that can link with him and pretty much a local prophet would carry him far. If they teamed up…. Ta’veren would find SoT forces looking up to Rand. If people say it wouldn’t operate in SoT verse fine Rand is comparable/compatible to Richard so the qualities they follow him for they’d see in The Dragon. (minus the while kicking little girls in the teeth. Even then when he was evil enough to maybe do that he had an excuse in being insane via taint)

  12. Shgon Dunstan December 31, 2012 at 10:00 pm -      #12

    So as to the main questions of this thread(though not the only ones).

    What would they think of each other?

    And what would they think of each others world?

    Not having read much of SoT I can’t really say myself, but that doesn’t mean I’m not interested.

  13. DragonRebornSTOMP December 31, 2012 at 10:23 pm -      #13

    I think Zen-Rand and Richard would get along well. Richard is very patient, but not very tolerant. Rand would not give him anything to be intolerant about. I think Rahl would find Jesus-Rand’s straightforwardness and wisdom refreshing. I have no idea his opinions on Rand’s three lovers though. Nor do I have any idea what Kahlan would think of him. Or them. I do think the Mord-Sith and Nicci would like him. He is very strong and he is powerful. He can handle pain, Cara MIGHT test him with her Agiel(I don’t know her that well) but if she did, he would tense a bit, then smile at her.
    I don’t see any of Rand’s allies disliking Richard. He’s a likable guy.

  14. Aelfinn December 31, 2012 at 11:33 pm -      #14

    What does Richard think of slavery? Depending on his views and how intense they are, he may just lead a Crusade against the Seanchan Empire. (Then on to Shara).

  15. PrimusxPilus December 31, 2012 at 11:53 pm -      #15

    @aelfinn
    I’m sure he wouldn’t approve of gai’shain either

  16. Shgon Dunstan January 1, 2013 at 1:16 am -      #16

    @PrimusxPilus
    “I’m sure he wouldn’t approve of gai’shain either”

    ….you mean completely willing, and short term, servitude based entirely on an honor system?

    ….Why in the world not?

    Or do you mean the perversion the Shaido used? That’s not really “gai’shain”, and no one else does, so why would he?

  17. Mike January 1, 2013 at 1:25 am -      #17

    the way i saw it, they just each end up next to each other at a specific(whatever it is) point in their series right next to each other.


    Not sure on the biggest impact rand and his family would have on the SoT world, but the largest from richard and his family probably wouldn’t come from richard at all. Nathan Rahl would most likely be able to tell the WoT folks the time, place, and outcomes(depending on what actions are taken) for the final battle. It would make it a fairly easy win for them if the win was achievable.


    what do you WoT fans think rand and his family would most influence at different points in the SoT timeline?

  18. PrimusxPilus January 1, 2013 at 2:28 am -      #18

    @shgon
    So he’s against slavery but ok with an indentured servitude system? Got it

    @Mike
    Idk the SoT books but anywhere they need a shit ton of firepower and a prophet (this is JUST him and his lovers, not including his family/friends)

  19. Shgon Dunstan January 1, 2013 at 3:05 am -      #19

    @PrimusxPilus
    “So he’s against slavery but ok with an indentured servitude system? Got it”

    It’s only for a year and a day, and it’s not like their forced are anything.

    Hell, now and then they try to force someone to clam them as gai’shain to clear a perceived injury to their honor.

    If someone tried to keep a real aiel in the wight for longer then their year and a day… It wouldn’t end well.

  20. Mike January 1, 2013 at 3:26 am -      #20

    “Idk the SoT books but anywhere they need a shit ton of firepower and a prophet (this is JUST him and his lovers, not including his family/friends)”
    -they usually have a “shit ton” of firepower”, and that’s not the usual problem. I’m wondering about the other aspects of what Rand and company can bring. SoT AoE is ridiculous unchecked in battles if not for shields…….are we taking element compatability into effect? for this type of scenario i’d like to believe they are all compatable for the most “realistic” or “plotlistic” effect.

  21. Mike January 1, 2013 at 3:31 am -      #21

    remember even in the most “shit ton” of times needed, zedd killed 1million+ and it didn’t dent and WoT has only shown tens of thousands+ in one engagement(even if it was zedd by constructed magic((which could be duplucated with this scenario)).


    On an off note, i do think the gar nation lead by gratch along with scarlet and gregory could decimate the WoT evil armies(forgot the name for the mutant like things they have…..I’m drunk, it’s new years).


    AND HAPPY NEW YEARS!!!!

  22. Zazax January 1, 2013 at 3:58 am -      #22

    ” SoT AoE is ridiculous unchecked in battles if not for shields”
    Rand can shoot walls of fire out for miles and can casually destroy cities. He balefires an entire castle in the latest book. With the Choeden Kal (unfortunately destroyed in the latest book) he believed he had the AoE to balefire the entire planet. Richard’s best AoE I can recall is when he uses Subtractive Lightning against that cavalry company. Not even on the same level.

    “are we taking element compatability into effect?”
    Don’t we always?

    “even if it was zedd by constructed magic((which could be duplucated with this scenario)).”
    How, exactly?

    “On an off note, i do think the gar nation lead by gratch along with scarlet and gregory could decimate the WoT evil armies”
    Moridin roflstomps the Gar nation + the dragons himself (he’s pretty much an evil Rand). Some of the other Forsaken might be able to as well.
    On an army-to-army level, Myrddraal could easily take on gars, although the dragons would be a problem. But that’s what Dreadlords and the Forsaken are for.
    However, technically you’re probably right. The Gars and dragons could probably kill 1/10th of the evil armies before dying horribly themselves, if the Forsaken stay out of it.

    “AND HAPPY NEW YEARS!!!!”
    Agreed. Time to laugh at all the crazy conspiracy theorists who thought the world would end. I know everyone already did on the 22nd, but it never gets old.

  23. Mike January 1, 2013 at 5:05 am -      #23

    “Rand can shoot walls of fire out for miles and can casually destroy cities. He balefires an entire castle in the latest book.”
    -never shown to be miles, and never at all shown to be cites at all. and his “castle” was a “hundreds of foot” building, which is nothing.


    “With the Choeden Kal (unfortunately destroyed in the latest book) he believed he had the AoE to balefire the entire planet.”
    -a completely unsubstantiated claim for which he had no knowledge to know if it could and i have shown this many times.


    ” Richard’s best AoE I can recall is when he uses Subtractive Lightning against that cavalry company. Not even on the same level.”
    -for which i have also shown to be a mile diameter killing move that negates friendlies for which is far more usefull for battles.


    “Don’t we always?”
    -normally, but the specific details made it complicated. and alot of what is done by both sides makes elemental compatability complicated(but usually agreed upon to be NOT in the VS matches). for this match I assumed that they would be compatable for ease sakes.


    “even if it was zedd by constructed magic((which could be duplucated with this scenario)).”
    How, exactly?”
    -the constructed magic that was used is usable and readily available by this matches standards. light spell nukes would be available.


    “Moridin roflstomps the Gar nation + the dragons himself (he’s pretty much an evil Rand). ”
    -how so? just one red dragon is a match for invincible darken rahl.


    “On an army-to-army level, Myrddraal could easily take on gars”
    -Who fight blade masters hand to hand and dominate while flying and being physically superior to humans about an order of magnitude?


    “On an army-to-army level, Myrddraal could easily take on gars”
    -The “dragons” can transport people at over 300mph(calculated prior) and are said to be a match to an invincible add&sub. magic using wizard. And are by size stated to be field filling….I don’t see them as being less than dominance in the myrradal battle.

  24. Zazax January 1, 2013 at 6:15 am -      #24

    “never shown to be miles,”
    Um, yes it was. He covers an entire battlefield with it and then some.

    “and his “castle” was a “hundreds of foot” building, which is nothing.”
    Yeah, and that was with a single casting of Balefire. Rand has demonstrated the ability to weave at the bare minimum a dozen spells at once.

    “a completely unsubstantiated claim for which he had no knowledge to know if it could”
    This is rich considering who it’s coming from.
    Besides, Rand’s not a novice channeler and he’s got Lews Therin’s (extended) lifetime of experience as well. He knows his own limits.
    Hell, it’s not even a “I can totally do this” situation. it’s an “I was actually holding the power and had a Balefire all ready to go when I changed my mind” situation.
    Additionally, earlier in the series using both Choeden Kal he cleansed the taint on saidin, which is at the very least planetary AoE if not universal. This planet-consuming Balefire thing isn’t unprecedented.

    “for which i have also shown to be a mile diameter killing move that negates friendlies for which is far more usefull for battles.”
    You may have shown this elsewhere, but I haven’t seen it.

    “the constructed magic that was used is usable and readily available by this matches standards. light spell nukes would be available.”
    Not in WoT-world, it’s not (which is where they’d have to be to use it against WoT, obviously). It’s not standard equipment for Richard and unless something changed from the Omen Machine onward I don’t recall them being able to make it themselves.

    “how so? just one red dragon is a match for invincible darken rahl.”
    Moridin is canonically stated to be the closest thing to an equal Rand has. He knows how to use Balefire, and fire, being one of the threads of the Power, is something he can control. Unless the field-sized, noisy, fire-breathing lizard gets the drop on him (especially hard since the Power enhances your senses), nothing is getting anywhere near him.

    “Who fight blade masters hand to hand and dominate while flying and being physically superior to humans about an order of magnitude?”
    That sounds an awful lot like Trollocs, minus the flying part. Myrddraal are pretty much identical except smaller, supernaturally fast, carry swords that will kill you if they break the skin and you don’t get magical healing very soon, can teleport in shadows, and cannot actually die until either sunset or sunrise (it’s one or the other; can’t remember which). And they also fight blademasters all the time in the series. And these are bog-standard Myrddraal, not even getting into Shaidar Haran.
    And that’s ignoring the crazy, can-only-be-killed-with-magic Darkhounds. Wolf-monsters the size of horses that melt and reform whole again if ‘killed’ in a non-magic way.

    “The “dragons” can transport people at over 300mph(calculated prior) and are said to be a match to an invincible add&sub. magic using wizard.”
    Uh huh.

    “And are by size stated to be field filling….”
    Good to know they make big, easy-to-hit targets,

    “.I don’t see them as being less than dominance in the myrradal battle.”
    You’ll have to run that one by me again.

  25. Nuredhelion January 1, 2013 at 7:48 am -      #25

    Since I haven’t read Wheel of time YET I can’t really answer the question…
    But I guess depending of their current goal all would start with a camp fire and story sharing? (You know to get an idea of the person they are dealing with and so on…)
    Maybe in the latter 2 Scenarios the more “experienced” one would be a little more “on guard” when sharing the stories ^^

    Polygamy shouldn’t be a problem, since Richard had Denna, Nicci, Khalan… (Yeah I know, the relation to Nicci and Denna was… special, but still…) well his true love surely seems to be Khalan, but I don’t think he is that narrow-minded ^^

    Since out of knowledge I got nothing more to say ;)

  26. Mike January 1, 2013 at 8:18 am -      #26

    “Um, yes it was. He covers an entire battlefield with it and then some.”
    -then show it’s that far, no on ever has.


    “Yeah, and that was with a single casting of Balefire. Rand has demonstrated the ability to weave at the bare minimum a dozen spells at once.”
    -he wove that with the chodencal(or whatever it’s called that order of magnitude multiplied his power), and multiple weaves at once has absolutely no bearing on what is claimed here.


    “This is rich considering who it’s coming from.”
    -whatever you think your counter claim may seem to be, you actually didn’t prove anything.


    “Besides, Rand’s not a novice channeler and he’s got Lews Therin’s (extended) lifetime of experience as well. He knows his own limits.”
    -and as i have proven, and uncountered before, has no idea how much it takes to perform that feat.


    “Additionally, earlier in the series using both Choeden Kal he cleansed the taint on saidin, which is at the very least planetary AoE if not universal. This planet-consuming Balefire thing isn’t unprecedented.”
    -yeah….because an unknown amount of power to do a feat with unknown feats means he can do whatever he wants…..


    “You may have shown this elsewhere, but I haven’t seen it.”
    -in where it was shown in any detail it was shown. look up anywhere the formation of that size of cavalry that was destroyed and you will get the same results.


    “Not in WoT-world, it’s not (which is where they’d have to be to use it against WoT, obviously). It’s not standard equipment for Richard and unless something changed from the Omen Machine onward I don’t recall them being able to make it themselves.”
    -take another look at the rules of who is involved in this match.


    “Moridin is canonically stated to be the closest thing to an equal Rand has. He knows how to use Balefire, and fire, being one of the threads of the Power, is something he can control. Unless the field-sized, noisy, fire-breathing lizard gets the drop on him (especially hard since the Power enhances your senses), nothing is getting anywhere near him.”
    -are you seriously trying to demean my points by pointing out main characters being able to take out individuals? Lmao. try taking my statements for what they are before being an ass.


    “That sounds an awful lot like Trollocs, minus the flying part. Myrddraal are pretty much identical except smaller, supernaturally fast, carry swords that will kill you if they break the skin and you don’t get magical healing very soon, can teleport in shadows, and cannot actually die until either sunset or sunrise (it’s one or the other; can’t remember which). And they also fight blademasters all the time in the series. And these are bog-standard Myrddraal, not even getting into Shaidar Haran.
    And that’s ignoring the crazy, can-only-be-killed-with-magic Darkhounds. Wolf-mon”
    -you are taking aspects out of context and into your own to get your own conclusion. should i even respond???
    -they are not “like trollocs”, they have literally 5 orders of magnitude better feats than them shown in quotes.
    -WoT blademasters apparently are nothing compared to blademasters in SoT(literally WoT 5-1 is legendary and undone, and SoT 50-1 is normal).


    “Uh huh.”
    -literally showed this with mutlitple quotes of distances and times, but be an ass all you want.


    “Good to know they make big, easy-to-hit targets,”
    -yes, because size and nothing else gives things military purpose…..


    “You’ll have to run that one by me again.”
    -it’s a little thing called a.d.v.a.n.t.a.g.e. Sky bearing, ranged, physically superior, speed advantagec beings with magical resistances usually have what i called “dominance”.


    It would be nice if you Zazax actually used what is known/shown/proven(to both sides) in your responses, instead of just jumping in and spouting off nonsense.

  27. Runeblue January 1, 2013 at 10:17 am -      #27

    So I think y’all are gunna get some cramps by the end of the night

  28. Shgon Dunstan January 1, 2013 at 11:23 am -      #28

    Just to restate it…

    This, Is, Not, A, Vs.

  29. Shgon Dunstan January 1, 2013 at 11:27 am -      #29

    And honestly, one of the bigger things the OP brings to SoT, is Traveling.

    From what I’ve gathered from reading Vs, Sot does have a form of telaporting anywhere near as good.

    If that’s the case, then Travelings going to change *everything*.

  30. CGNefarious January 1, 2013 at 11:11 pm -      #30

    I should have figured this would turn out kind of like this. Why are you even arguing if the gars and beat myrddraal? It has no effect on this What If.

    As for the first scenario, I think if Richard were transported into the WoT verse, once he found out about the bad guys and that he had the power to stop them, he would undoubtedly join the fight for good. Rand on the other hand, after being transported to the SoT verse, learning about Darken Rhal, and discovering his powers, would probably do his best to stay out of it. Richard is shown from the beginning as the kind of person to go out of his way to do the right thing, while Rand develops into that kind of person after several (or maybe a bit more than several) books. In the beginning he wants absolutely nothing to do with the power.

    I don’t see Kahlan like Rand all that much. I feel she would see him more as a competition of Richard since, let’s be honest, they’re pretty much the same person. She’s fiercely loyal to a fault, and I can see her having some sort of spite for him based off that. If Rand does decide to help out Richards forces, he would make an awesome ally, though Richard might not always like his methods. Rand doesn’t pussyfoot around about things, and if people refused to follow, he will make them follow. Richard usually prefers to convince others to follow him through long, monotonous, repetitive, and incredibly preachy speeches (if you can’t tell, I got kind of tired of them after the seventh book). While Rand’s style might get things done, Richard might have some issues with it.

    As far as the WoT crew’s reaction to Richard? Well, he’s a male channeler for one, and not the Dragon Reborn at that. He’d have to deal with hiding/running from the Red Ajah without the help of Mioraine until he gets strong enough or until Rand issues his amnesty. Eventually, I think he would become one of the allies Rand would trust. He’s got a strong sense of justice and Rand would see that pretty easily. Though things would probably get kind of ugly once Dark Rand takes the stage.

    At the very beginning both Richard and Rand would get along just fine. They both are level headed, good natured woodsmen who just happen to be the messiahs of their realms.

    On a side note, am I the only person who pictures Zedd as a Thom Merrilin but with magic?

  31. DragonRebornSTOMP January 2, 2013 at 12:32 am -      #31

    Thom is less…odd. And Mike, and other guy, why are you arguing that here? Go argue it on the WoT vs. SoT even though WoT has already won.

  32. Zazax January 2, 2013 at 3:13 am -      #32

    “Why are you even arguing if the gars and beat myrddraal?”
    and
    “And Mike, and other guy, why are you arguing that here?”
    Hey, I’m not actually arguing anything. Mike said one thing, I responded, Mike went into full self-righteous fanboy-defense mode, and I mocked him.
    It’s almost a tradition between us now, considering we’ve argued with each other on just about every SoT or Richard-related thread on the site for, what’s it been, three years now? I think the only thread we’ve actually cooperated on was Stargate vs 40k.
    Ah, good times…

    It’s all in good fun though, at least on my end. Not sure about him.

    “… even though WoT has already won.”
    Oh, I know. I was there. Not so much near the end, but when Mike and Sloth were in full swing…
    Man, those were the days.

  33. Mike January 2, 2013 at 3:23 am -      #33

    “Hey, I’m not actually arguing anything. Mike said one thing, I responded, Mike went into full self-righteous fanboy-defense mode, and I mocked him.”
    -all i did was show you, you were wrong, or bring up that what you were saying has already been shown wrong. if you think that’s a self-righteous fanboy-defense mode rant then maybe you should look in the mirror and ask yourself why you see i that way….because it was just a completely legitimate counter to your post.


    “Oh, I know. I was there. Not so much near the end, but when Mike and Sloth were in full swing…”
    -sloth showed up for only a couple of months, broke almost every factpile rule, trolled like crazy and was just plain disruptive to both sides. I had no help whatsoever in that thread, please don’t associate that troll with me in any way.

  34. Aelfinn January 2, 2013 at 7:10 pm -      #34

    NO! NO! NO! NO!

    We are not doing this here!

    Here’s an odd thought: How would Richard react to the Warder bond and the idea behind it? What would happen if someone forcibly bonded him?

    And another: How would Rand react to the communist country?

  35. PrimusxPilus January 2, 2013 at 7:22 pm -      #35

    @aelfinn
    Lawl but Da WoT and SoT are involved!!1!

    Idk SoT, but Zen Rand MAY like the IDEA. He’s tired of lords subjugating the commoners courtesy of being a sheepherder, but then again communism is great until humans are involved. Then power hungry/greedy idiots mess it up. The ideal that everybody is taken care of would pluck the heartstrings of Lews Therin and remind him of the Age of Legends imo

  36. Shgon Dunstan January 2, 2013 at 7:57 pm -      #36

    @Aelfinn
    “And another: How would Rand react to the communist country?”

    “Are the people happy?” I’m guessing “Yes, thanks to being mind controlled in to being so.” wouldn’t be good enough, but beyond that, “human politics”, beyond getting them ready to fight the shadow, isn’t really the Dragons job.

  37. Dassadec January 3, 2013 at 10:15 pm -      #37

    “On a side note, am I the only person who pictures Zedd as a Thom Merrilin but with magic?”

    Kinda but no, I always saw Zedd as like “Doc Brown” Christopher Lloyd and Thom as Sam elliot with soul

  38. Mike January 4, 2013 at 1:49 am -      #38

    “Kinda but no, I always saw Zedd as like “Doc Brown” Christopher Lloyd”
    -that’s actually who i was hoping would play him in the T.V. show Legend of the seeker.

  39. Dark Expert April 23, 2013 at 12:29 pm -      #39

    what the

  40. Pizzarolla August 24, 2014 at 10:38 pm -      #40

    Wow, this is old as shit, but why not:

    Honestly, I don’t think anything at all would happen. The characters don’t share a whole lot in common, personality wise, except for one key trait. That trait can best be summed up as “stay out of my way or get crushed like a bug.”

    They both have their own concerns. Richard is less concerned with a cosmic battle, and more concerned with his own personal happiness, as he basically follows the philosophy of objectivism, which states that a man’s moral obligation is to his own happiness.

    Meanwhile, Rand’s philosophy is completely different. Rather than bucking prophecy, he willfully enslaves himself to the entire populace of the world, as well as the wheel itself. He shows no sense of responsibility to himself.

    Unless these two were forced into a conversation at sword point, I really don’t see much happening. Rand would never throw in with Richard, and Richard would never throw in with Rand. Their belief systems are not anywhere near being compatible. Richard has shown multiple times throughout the series that even though another person may be working towards the same goals as him, that if they don’t follow his philosophy he doesn’t want anything to do with them.

    Take, for example, the entire Palace of the Prophets thing. Now, with the exception of the dark sisters and wizards, all of the sorceresses and wizards were all about stopping the keeper and saving the world, which was right in line with Richard’s path, according to prophecy. However, notice that as far as Richard was concerned, they were all enemies of his until they actually came over to his way of thinking. Why? Because without having those belief systems in place, he could never truly trust them.

    Now take Rand. As far as Rand is concerned, that very philosophy is selfishness. He believes in selflessness, which is why he pushes so hard towards Shayol Ghul, and in line with prophecy, believing that he will eventually die. He has no duty to his own happiness, no care for himself. He is a tool to be used, and he needs to make himself a very hard tool.

    After having read both of the series multiple times, and understanding both characters and their personalities, to such a degree, I just don’t think these two would get along at any point. Not to mention, Richard never really changed. He was always the same person. The only thing that changed in him was his position in life, first as the seeker, then as a war wizard, and finally as a ruler. But his belief systems stayed the same throughout the entire series.

    Rand on the other hand, had several total personality changes, and at one point actually required a miraculous epiphany to occur to stop him from destroying the planet.

    Nope, these two want nothing to do with one another.

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