Hogwarts Vs John Carpenter’s The Thing

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Hogwarts is aware of the Thing’s presence so the Ministry feels that additional security must be placed on the school, and stationed a group of Dementors around the castle. Nobody goes in or out once the term starts.

To win, Hogwarts must expel the Thing from the school, it is not necessary to kill it. The Thing must take over 85 percent of Hogwart’s student population, 600 students for the purposes of this match, as well as ten members of the faculty.

The Room of Requirement cannot be used for this match.

Will Hogwarts survive?

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158 Comments on "Hogwarts Vs John Carpenter’s The Thing"

  1. Murder December 2, 2012 at 9:22 am -      #1

    Meh, I’ll just say the thing since I at least like him.

  2. Shgon Dunstan December 2, 2012 at 9:24 am -      #2

    Don’t know anything about the Thing, but there’s no law against using the Unforgivables on none humans.
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    And that’s just for starters.
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    Also…. Why does everything that attacks the Wizarding World, attack a school?

  3. Shgon Dunstan December 2, 2012 at 9:26 am -      #3

    “none humans”>non-humans.

  4. Zazax December 2, 2012 at 9:47 am -      #4

    I’m not sure how well the Unforgivables would work on a Thing. Apparently each individual cell in a Thing is a pseudo-independant organism (it’s why the blood test thing works; sticking a lit match into a petri dish of Thing blood causes all its blood cells to go apeshit and quite literally leap out of the dish), so I have no idea if the Killing Curse will kill a whole Thing or just a few cells around where it hits.
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    Does the Ministry know anything about the Thing other than that it is present (for example, do they know that it can seamlessly copy another person)? Does the Thing start as just a formless mass, or does it start in the form of something already?
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    Better question, since magic in Harry Potter is hereditary, that suggests it may also be genetic. Could a Thing use magic? I can’t remember if a Thing keeps the memories of its ‘host’ or not.

  5. BillDing December 2, 2012 at 9:55 am -      #5

    “Also…. Why does everything that attacks the Wizarding World, attack a school?” They wanna learn their magic.

  6. GuardianAngel1911 with Mjolnir and the Odinsword December 2, 2012 at 10:04 am -      #6

    @Shgon
    If I had to guess, because it’s the most fortified place, or because we have the best descriptions of it.

  7. Crimson Sentry December 2, 2012 at 10:55 am -      #7

    hogwarts would win, easily

  8. Crimson Sentry December 2, 2012 at 10:59 am -      #8

    they have so many abilities at their disposal, the only way this would backfire is if the Thing could cast spells after absorbing a student or teacher.

  9. Laharl December 2, 2012 at 11:00 am -      #9

    “they have so many abilities at their disposal, the only way this would backfire is if the Thing could cast spells after absorbing a student or teacher.” It can.

  10. Khazit December 2, 2012 at 12:17 pm -      #10

    Given the utterly large amount of spells, and the extremely huge array of effect these spells provide, I’m pretty sure the Hog will survive

  11. Gluttonous-Behemoth December 2, 2012 at 12:25 pm -      #11

    All evidence points to Magical Ability in HP-verse being related by some manner of gene, hence anomalies like Squibs and Mudbloods.
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    I would certainly give the Thing(s) the intelligence to use magic if it indeed can assimilate those traits.
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    If the Thing gets Filch, it will have detailed knowledge of the Castle; its corridors, dorm locations, classrooms, schedules and the like. It could slip into the Great Hall at breakfast and infect an entire house without being discovered, and if the original allows itself to be seen and destroyed, that would lessen the watch around. Or what if it gets into a Dormitory at night?

  12. Gluttonous-Behemoth December 2, 2012 at 12:32 pm -      #12

    Buuut, enchantments can be difficult. You can’t get into the Dorms unless the Fat Lady allows you (though this has been subverted before by taking on the appearance of a student of that house and possessing knowledge of the password) so until the Thing takes a suitable flesh muppy, it is stuck sulking in the halls and classrooms, where it has a much greater chance of being seen.

  13. Amm0vamp1r3 December 2, 2012 at 12:38 pm -      #13

    Since hagred or whatever his name is,finds most things that happen onto the campus. I think he finds it,gets to close gets possed and harry,ron and granger find hagred. The thing jumps to one of them etc etc

  14. Shgon Dunstan December 2, 2012 at 1:09 pm -      #14

    “Big scary monster” isn’t all that “scary” in the HP universe, as there’s quite a few of them in the wildlife, but….
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    “Big scary monster that can absorb magical powers” is a bit different, but…
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    “Different” isn’t the same as “impossible”, it’s not like wizard don’t manege to rule over races with magic(goblins, elfs, etc.), but more then that, you all might be forgetting that wizards need wands, wands that “chose the wizard”, maybe taking it in battle will do the trick(probably will, but that depends on the type of wand), but then there’s the other point, say it get’s the power of a wizard…. So what? It’s still one wizard Vs a few hundred, Hogwarts would still have a rather big edge.
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    Now, if it started to absorb the powers of a lot of that wildlife I mentioned…..

  15. Gluttonous-Behemoth December 2, 2012 at 1:53 pm -      #15

    Where exactly is the Dementor Perimeter? If the Thing slinks off into the Forbidden Forest, God only knows what will come galumphing out.

  16. Shgon Dunstan December 2, 2012 at 2:24 pm -      #16

    @Gluttonous-Behemoth
    “Where exactly is the Dementor Perimeter? If the Thing slinks off into the Forbidden Forest, God only knows what will come galumphing out.”
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    Oh yeah…. The Dementors are there… Well the thing loses.
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    Dementors can’t be killed, and for that matter, might not even be alive in the first place, sooner or later, there going to suck it’s soul.
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    And on the “going into the forest” plan, that’s *not* a good idea, why?
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    Because the unicorns live in there, and it DOES NOT want to try to absorb them, not unless it can do so without touching their blood.
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    honestly, now that I remember the Dementors, it’s only hope is to absorb Harry or one of the professors ASAP, so as to get a way to counter the Dementors, and even then it wont matter for long if there’s enough of them.

  17. itcheyness December 2, 2012 at 2:30 pm -      #17

    Can’t the thing infect more then one target at a time?
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    So you could have like half the population of Hogwarts infect without anyone actually being missing…

  18. Rorschach December 2, 2012 at 2:36 pm -      #18

    “To win, Hogwarts must expel the Thing from the school, it is not necessary to kill it. The Thing must take over 85 percent of Hogwart’s student population, 600 students for the purposes of this match, as well as ten members of the faculty.”
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    Even if The Thing couldn’t use magic after taking over a wizard, it could still rapidly spread throughout Hogwarts. I don’t know the Harry Potter universe too well, but, I’m pretty sure they would be overrun with The Thing. They don’t know what The Thing does, they only know that a Thing is at the school. The name might help it too, being that it is both very unspecific, and undescriptive.
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    “Will Hogwarts survive?”
    I don’t think they’ll survive, but if they do, there will be a significantly less amount of students or faculty there. Just my opinion, but, I’m pretty sure my lack of knowledge for Hogwarts might make it a non factor.

  19. Shgon Dunstan December 2, 2012 at 2:36 pm -      #19

    (Rereads the OP)
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    So no Dementors(and likely no forest)…
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    Well, as it says “Hogwarts must expel the Thing from the school, it is not necessary to kill it.” it looks like the Thing isn’t bound by the “Nobody goes in or out once the term starts”, so, they can just have the armor and ghost try to throw everyone out the front door at the Dementors, the ones who dount bounce are the Thing, and are so fed to the Dementors/”expeled”
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    Or by another reading of that, the head master just announces the “Who ever this “Thing” is, you are here by expeled from Hogwarts school of witchcraft and wizardry”, instant win. :lol:

  20. Rorschach December 2, 2012 at 2:38 pm -      #20

    “So you could have like half the population of Hogwarts infect without anyone actually being missing…”
    Yes, exactly, and they won’t even know they’re infected. If they’re discovered, their heads will open up and literally chomp through the skull of another man.
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    I saw The Thing again, a couple of days ago.

  21. OMEGAMI December 2, 2012 at 3:23 pm -      #21

    I say the Thing.
    Imagine all the spells the Thing can use, he can turn invisible and use other stealth spells that will allow him to expand to more victims and increase his knowledge of spells.
    Hogwarts will then notice the lost of students and will go into alert status.
    Those living paintings could result to be a bitch if you think about it.

  22. Shgon Dunstan December 2, 2012 at 3:43 pm -      #22

    Honestly, there’s just a lot in Hogwarts that it just can’t takeover(armor, ghost, paintings, the portraitist(who is also unkillable), hell the elf’s if it doesn’t override their “we must obey our master”ness), that the teachers have a small army to help deal with it.
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    that being said, continuing to reread the OP, this part “The Thing must take over 85 percent of Hogwart’s STUDENT population” really does make me think that “expel the Thing from the school” really might mean “expel the Thing from the school”, and so, so long as it doesn’t get the HM, this isn’t a fight. :lol:

  23. Commander Cross December 2, 2012 at 3:53 pm -      #23

    Unbreakable Vows, anyone?

  24. The Geek Lord December 2, 2012 at 5:31 pm -      #24

    The Thing. If it got control of someone like Snape, Dumbledore, or even Harry himself, it’d be unstoppable.

  25. Commander Cross December 2, 2012 at 5:36 pm -      #25

    @The Geek Lord

    There’s always the Unbreakable Vows when one feels in the mood to castrate enemy efforts. :twisted:

  26. Amm0vamp1r3 December 2, 2012 at 6:10 pm -      #26

    I think once the thing gets in its game over from there.

  27. itcheyness December 2, 2012 at 6:16 pm -      #27

    Um, Cross? Why would the Unbreakable Vows help?

  28. Commander Cross December 2, 2012 at 6:48 pm -      #28

    @Itcheyness

    (goes to withhold the castration-happy smile in a natural composure)

    If I recalled correctly, the Unbreakable Vows tend to kill anyone or anything that goes against the vows’ contents themselves, depending on the conditions of the vows.

    If I recalled right, the person in such a vow who made one in the 1st place goes against the vow, they die as long as the conditions are in place.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, either via miscalculations or misrecollections being primary, but does The Thing tend to biologically possess people or make them go against their systems or even find other ways to turn people against each other?

    From what I recalled, if that’s the case, The specified conditions in mind would be able to slow The Thing down, if nothing else, assuming The Thing doesn’t at least get its fragments auto-killed in the process of trying to possess any of the faculty.

    If I recall correctly, The Thing might have more ways to operate than merely possessing its targets automatically, and will act on them accordingly even if this small idea doesn’t castrate any of its particular means outright, but regardless, this is just a small fix to be done while the bigger fixes are to be worked out.

  29. Zazax December 2, 2012 at 7:04 pm -      #29

    “Correct me if I’m wrong, either via miscalculations or misrecollections being primary, but does The Thing tend to biologically possess people or make them go against their systems or even find other ways to turn people against each other?”
    If memory serves the Thing doesn’t so much ‘possess’ people as it does absorb and copy them (see: that redheaded guy from the original movie). I don’t think an Unbreakable Vow would transfer across that.

  30. Commander Cross December 2, 2012 at 7:07 pm -      #30

    @Zazax

    Don’t tell me…at best it only managed to slow the Thing Down, right? T_T

    Here I thought I had a way to castrate a means of The Thing’s outbreak even if I don’t manage to castrate them all in one fell swoop with it.

  31. Zazax December 2, 2012 at 7:21 pm -      #31

    Well, I might be misremembering. Its been years since I’ve seen the original movie, and I haven’t seen the prequel.
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    On the other hand, fire works really, really well against a Thing and tends to scare the shit out of them. And Dumbledore, at least, can fill an entire cave with huge gouts of fire.
    ‘Course, Hogwarts would have to find a way to identify Things, or else they’d just be roasting their own people as well.

  32. Rorschach December 2, 2012 at 7:28 pm -      #32

    “‘Course, Hogwarts would have to find a way to identify Things, or else they’d just be roasting their own people as well.”
    I just pictured Dumbledore going on a massive rampage, killing all the students and faculty of Hogwarts just to kill The Thing… When it was really him all along…

  33. Gluttonous-Behemoth December 2, 2012 at 8:07 pm -      #33

    @Cross
    Nah, Vows wouldn’t help. Like they said, it doesn’t possess you, it literally turns you into another one.
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    “Well, as it says “Hogwarts must expel the Thing from the school, it is not necessary to kill it.” it looks like the Thing isn’t bound by the “Nobody goes in or out once the term starts”, so, they can just have the armor and ghost try to throw everyone out the front door at the Dementors, the ones who dount bounce are the Thing, and are so fed to the Dementors/”expeled”
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    Heh, imagine they try that, but all of them bounce off, then they all slowly turn at once towards the teachers; it’s silent as the remaining humans stare in horror. Then, all of the students open their robes to reveal gigantic fanged mouths on their stomachs, tentacles and claws growing from awkward places, and the shrunken remains of their original body parts hanging off them. Cut to black.

  34. Shgon Dunstan December 2, 2012 at 9:37 pm -      #34

    @Gluttonous-Behemoth
    “Heh, imagine they try that, but all of them bounce off, then they all slowly turn at once towards the teachers; it’s silent as the remaining humans stare in horror. Then, all of the students open their robes to reveal gigantic fanged mouths on their stomachs, tentacles and claws growing from awkward places, and the shrunken remains of their original body parts hanging off them. Cut to black.”
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    ….But that doesn’t make any sense, if their “the Thing”‘d, then they wouldn’t bounce.
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    The OP says it can be expelled.
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    Besides, not only would it have all the leftover wizards to fight, but all of the armor, which honestly, all the students magic isn’t going to help much in fighting, Hogwarts isn’t exactly a school of battle magic.

  35. Amm0vamp1r3 December 2, 2012 at 9:39 pm -      #35

    Does the thing get the knowledge of whatever it latches on to?

  36. TheSorrow December 2, 2012 at 10:04 pm -      #36

    Does the thing get the knowledge of whatever it latches on to?
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    It imitates the victim almost perfectly.

  37. Amm0vamp1r3 December 2, 2012 at 10:10 pm -      #37

    So if the thing gets hagred,it would be deadly. If it gets the guy with the cat,or the guys cat,then he would be deadly also. And both of them get to dumbledore pretty easily.

  38. TheSorrow December 2, 2012 at 10:16 pm -      #38

    It’s deadly no matter who it chooses really. Once it gains the victim’s knowledge, it will know who that person was close to. After that, it’s just a domino effect.

  39. Amm0vamp1r3 December 2, 2012 at 10:19 pm -      #39

    True, i was just going off whom it would probably run into first,Hagred the ground keeper,from what i rememeber makes rounds around the place, And then the cat guy,i dont know he just seems like he would get infected or his cat would.

  40. TheSorrow December 2, 2012 at 10:25 pm -      #40

    No doubt Hagrid would be a huge advantage.

  41. Amm0vamp1r3 December 2, 2012 at 10:28 pm -      #41

    Indeed,he knows almost everything about everything, Know almost every one, and has the manliest of beards.

  42. Gluttonous-Behemoth December 2, 2012 at 10:39 pm -      #42

    And if he gets assimilated, is the big loveable guy that everyone trusts…
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    “C’mere kiddos, Ol’ Rubeus Hagrid has something to show ye.” *Overt Pedo Grin*

  43. Amm0vamp1r3 December 2, 2012 at 10:53 pm -      #43

    Thats something i didnt need to have put in my head, also i learned how to spell,hagrid

  44. TheSorrow December 2, 2012 at 11:00 pm -      #44

    Haha nice one Gluttonous, he’s got some Bertie Bott’s in his inner thigh pocket.

  45. Gluttonous-Behemoth December 2, 2012 at 11:03 pm -      #45

    Nope, not gonna do it. Not gonna write list of HP based Pedophille jokes. Arrrr, not gonna do it.

  46. TheSorrow December 2, 2012 at 11:05 pm -      #46

    Awww come on.

  47. Amm0vamp1r3 December 2, 2012 at 11:05 pm -      #47

    You know you cant resist
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    “Come in my hut,i can show you a magic trick” That will get you started lol

  48. Shgon Dunstan December 2, 2012 at 11:10 pm -      #48

    Remember, book Hagrid is 12 feet tall, and 6 wide.

  49. Gluttonous-Behemoth December 2, 2012 at 11:19 pm -      #49

    I’m more amused by his father being a regular man, and his mother being a 17-20ish foot tall giant. Somehow, no “Hotdog in a hallway” joke seems adequate.

  50. GuardianAngel1911 with Mjolnir and the Odinsword December 2, 2012 at 11:21 pm -      #50

    @G-B
    what’s weirder is Mrs. Boubaton was the reverse, her dad was the giant, there’s not even a joke for that.

  51. Shgon Dunstan December 2, 2012 at 11:22 pm -      #51

    @Gluttonous-Behemoth
    “I’m more amused by his father being a regular man, and his mother being a 17-20ish foot tall giant. Somehow, no “Hotdog in a hallway” joke seems adequate.”
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    Actually, his father was rather short.

  52. Gluttonous-Behemoth December 2, 2012 at 11:31 pm -      #52

    Okay, just a few coincidental things.
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    “Today Class, we will be learning about enlarging charms.”
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    “I CAN…TOUCH YOU…NOWWW.”
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    “http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rAzjEDIyEI-”

  53. Hermit December 3, 2012 at 7:35 am -      #53

    Hitman must have ommitted information. Unfortunately the original post contains vital info for this match.
    Here is the original post from the Forums.
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    “As the title says, Hogwarts found itself the unwilling guest for The Thing.
    .
    The fourth year started just like any other year, with the Sorting and the Opening Feast and the new professor. But something stirs within the walls of the castle, for sixteen students, four for each house, are not what they were supposed to be. Worse, one of the teachers, the Astronomy professor, vanished mysteriously during the summer and suddenly reappeared without any explanation for her disappearance.
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    Worse still, the Ministry feels that additional security must be placed on the school, and stationed a group of Dementors around the castle.
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    To win, Hogwarts must expel the Thing from the school, it is not necessary to kill it. The Thing must take over 85 percent of Hogwart’s student population, 600 students for the purposes of this match, as well as ten members of the faculty.
    .
    The Room of Requirement cannot be used for this match.”
    .
    Hogwarts is still aware that the Thing is inside the school, they will have no idea of what the Thing can do.
    .
    The Dementors are just outside the castle, meaning no one can go in or out.
    .
    I chose the fourth year because Moody is there, and because he will give Hogwarts a chance to detect the Thing
    .
    By the way Hitman, thanks for posting this match, it’s been months since my last one.

  54. GuardianAngel1911 with Mjolnir and the Odinsword December 3, 2012 at 8:09 am -      #54

    So the Thing’s already absorbed seventeen people?
    Also wasn’t that the fake Moody?

  55. Hermit December 3, 2012 at 8:15 am -      #55

    “So the Thing’s already absorbed seventeen people?
    Also wasn’t that the fake Moody?”
    .
    Yes.
    Fake Moody can still use the magic eye, and he’s an ally this time.

  56. GuardianAngel1911 with Mjolnir and the Odinsword December 3, 2012 at 9:15 am -      #56

    @Hermit
    Okay, seventeen people makes this interesting.

    asked because I didn’t know if you meant the thing with fake Moody wasn’t happening.
    Though since this is book four does that mean the Triwizard Tournament is going on right now or cancelled due to mysterious monster?

  57. Hermit December 3, 2012 at 9:24 am -      #57

    “asked because I didn’t know if you meant the thing with fake Moody wasn’t happening.
    Though since this is book four does that mean the Triwizard Tournament is going on right now or cancelled due to mysterious monster?”
    .
    Fake Moody is still alive and kicking and detecting mysterious creatures.
    .
    Cancelled. As much as I would love to make fanfiction about this, Hogwarts is alone here.

  58. GuardianAngel1911 with Mjolnir and the Odinsword December 3, 2012 at 9:30 am -      #58

    Okay.
    —-
    no Triwizard just means less food for the Thing.
    I wonder if someone hits it with Feindfyre if that would kill it?

  59. Type-Fallstar With The Luin of Celtchar December 4, 2012 at 10:29 am -      #59

    Would it show up on that magic map harry has?

  60. Harbinger Of Pastries December 4, 2012 at 12:59 pm -      #60

    “Would it show up on that magic map harry has?”

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    Good thinking, but we have no evidence that anything but humans show up.

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    They have Dumbledore and Snape, so I’m going with Hogwarts for now.

  61. Gluttonous-Behemoth December 4, 2012 at 1:15 pm -      #61

    Chances are it wouldn’t have shown Pettigrew unless he were a Human. There have to be hundreds of animals just from the pet/familiars, not counting the un-owned creatures, plus the Elves and Ghosts. It would probably clog the map with things, and that would make it less useful, I imagine it was mean for humans.
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    However, this means that it could possibly be used to determine real people from Things.

  62. Tech/Mana December 4, 2012 at 5:28 pm -      #62

    The Thing would destroy them.

    I see the thing establishing a base by infecting the plants and insects, flora and fauna outside the Castle as it makes it’s way around.

    Even if it just managed to imitate a fly, it could land on a student, and bite him or her. That’d be enough, all it would need to start infecting that person. Say it gets Hermonie, she goes to sleep, wakes up as an imitiation. The thing now has all of her thoughts and abilities.

    To continue infection would be easy. Food and water. By contaminating common food and water that students eat, they become infected as well. It’ll spread in this manner. It’s not something that’d fight out in the open. You would fight this like a disease.

  63. Amm0vamp1r3 December 4, 2012 at 5:33 pm -      #63

    I didnt know it could infect food and water,that would make things alot easier,Does Hogwarts even have a chance against that. Especially not knowing what it is.

  64. Tech/Mana December 4, 2012 at 5:39 pm -      #64

    It would just put it’s blood or whatever into it. Just mix it in there. Hell, if it’s an imitation, sneeze or share utensils or something. One of the biologists in the 1982 version tells them that they should only prepare their own meals and eat only out of cans because a single particle, mixed into food or drink, could infect the entire organism.

  65. LUCIDSCIENCE December 5, 2012 at 12:26 am -      #65

    “I didnt know it could infect food and water,that would make things alot easier,Does Hogwarts even have a chance against that. Especially not knowing what it is.”
    @Amm0vamp1r3

    Most of the food appears exclusively in the Great Hall, by apparition. I’m not sure if the Thing would ever find access to the food source, if it isn’t just magically created. (i don’t think it is, I seem to remember there being a HP world rule against creating food via magic, although that may have only been in the Room of Requirement.)

  66. Amm0vamp1r3 December 5, 2012 at 12:40 am -      #66

    Oh yea i forgot the food does appear magically.

  67. Shgon Dunstan December 5, 2012 at 12:53 am -      #67

    @LUCIDSCIENCE
    “(i don’t think it is, I seem to remember there being a HP world rule against creating food via magic, although that may have only been in the Room of Requirement.)”
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    Just that you can’t make it out of thin air.
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    You can make it bigger, duplicate it, or make it out of something else(like a rock).
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    I might be forgetting something, but the rule is just against making it out of nothing…
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    Also, it’s a bit of a recon, but that’s nothing new in HP magic. :?

  68. Commander Cross December 5, 2012 at 1:06 am -      #68

    @Shgon

    You mean on Pottermore?

    Aww. :(

  69. BC December 5, 2012 at 1:22 am -      #69

    One thing to consider is that the Potterverse is one of the few places were a victim of the infection could be cured. They have cures for all kinds of transformations and other weird maladies, and one of those may even work off the shelf. The hospital (the one in the city, not the school infirmary, which was weird enough on its own) had all kinds of bizarre stuff like that for example.

    As for detecting the thing, as long as they have some idea that it is there and vaguely what it is they could not have too much trouble coming up with a way to find it.

    One of those purifying canteens (unless I am getting things mixed up with another magic world, it has been a long time since I read the books) would be able to take care of contaminated drinking water, and I think they preserve food in something similar without having to refrigerate or chemically treat it.

  70. Laharl December 5, 2012 at 1:25 am -      #70

    “Good thinking, but we have no evidence that anything but humans show up.”
    I remember someone’s cat showing up.

  71. Amm0vamp1r3 December 5, 2012 at 1:33 am -      #71

    The rules say both sides get general knowledge,so they may get brief knowledge of it idk,but it does too and once it infects one person it would get alot more info.

  72. Shgon Dunstan December 5, 2012 at 1:35 am -      #72

    @Commander Cross
    “You mean on Pottermore?
    Aww. :(”
    -
    ???
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    The rule about the food is in DH.

  73. Shgon Dunstan December 5, 2012 at 2:03 am -      #73

    How old is the Thing?

  74. Hermit December 5, 2012 at 4:26 am -      #74

    Homenum Revelio.

  75. Zazax December 5, 2012 at 7:39 am -      #75

    “One thing to consider is that the Potterverse is one of the few places were a victim of the infection could be cured. They have cures for all kinds of transformations and other weird maladies, and one of those may even work off the shelf. The hospital (the one in the city, not the school infirmary, which was weird enough on its own) had all kinds of bizarre stuff like that for example. ”
    There’s nothing to cure. The Thing doesn’t so much ‘infect’ cells as it does replace them with imitations.
    At least as far as my understanding of it works. Could be wrong.

  76. BC December 5, 2012 at 12:02 pm -      #76

    ” There’s nothing to cure. The Thing doesn’t so much ‘infect’ cells as it does replace them with imitations.
    At least as far as my understanding of it works. Could be wrong. ”
    -
    The same would be true with a transformation unless it was some kind of temporary thing being held in place by active magic. They have cures for stable transformations, they might work against the thing via the law of similarity or by reversing the property of contagion or whatever. Many times the magic does not make any scientific sense whatsoever, it is the appearance of the event that counts so if something appears to be something else it can be made to actually be the something else.

  77. Zervziel December 6, 2012 at 4:32 am -      #77

    Fun fact: The replaced people don’t even know they are the thing until exposed. And yes, Zazax, the Thing replaces them cell by cell perfectly.

    Shgon Dunston it depends. If you’re talking about the creature, unknown really. At least a thousand considering the level of ice the ship that was transporting it was buried in.

    Also, yes, I’m back bitches.

  78. Zazax December 6, 2012 at 5:01 am -      #78

    “The same would be true with a transformation unless it was some kind of temporary thing being held in place by active magic.”
    I’m not sure about that. Unlike a transformation, a person eaten by a Thing is dead (not just turned into an inanimate object; they’ve been flat-out eaten from the inside out on a cellular level). We’ve seen the Potterverse undo a transformation into an inanimate object, but we’ve never seen it pull off full-blown resurrection (Resurrection Stone aside, as it’s a special case).
    -
    This would be closer to someone reforming someone out of their ashes after they’ve burned to death than undoing a transfiguration spell.
    -
    “And yes, Zazax, the Thing replaces them cell by cell perfectly.”
    Good to know I’m not crazy. Yet.

  79. Shgon Dunstan December 6, 2012 at 1:47 pm -      #79

    @Zervziel
    “Shgon Dunston it depends. If you’re talking about the creature, unknown really. At least a thousand considering the level of ice the ship that was transporting it was buried in.”
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    It’s just the HP has something called an “age-line” which if the it’s all just one creature means they just have to set the line to “younger then a thousand” and it will kick anything that doesn’t fit that out.
    -
    On the other hand, if all of the replaced are new creatures, then they’d need to set it to “older then a year”.
    -
    Not sure if it can do both at once, but it might be able to.

  80. Tech/Mana December 6, 2012 at 3:09 pm -      #80

    You have to think too, that the imitated individuals that the Thing uses, would also be able to perform any magic that the user was aware of at the time.

    Ex. Say it infects and takes over Dumbledore, the Thing would have all the knowlage and abilities of him, making that particular imitation very powerful.

    On top of which, it could even use that magical knowlage to it’s own advantage, say teleporting pieces of itself into people or familiars. Putting spells on imitations to ward off spells to detect it, ect.

    I say this is a losing situation for the Potterverse. The key reason that the Thing was defeated by people in Antartica was because the only things it could infect in that environment were people. At Hogsworth, it has the entire environment to infect. Grass, bugs, birds, cats, plants, magical creatures, along with the people.

  81. Zervziel December 6, 2012 at 3:27 pm -      #81

    @Shgon Dunston

    First they’d have to know the age of the creature. They don’t however. Plus in this it’s already in the school and has infected 17 students.

  82. Hermit December 6, 2012 at 9:51 pm -      #82

    ” At Hogsworth, it has the entire environment to infect.”
    .
    You go outside the castle, you get kissed by Dementors. No one goes in or out the castle.
    .
    By the way, Mad-Eye Moody is present (fake or not, the magic eye is still usable).

  83. Shgon Dunstan December 6, 2012 at 10:00 pm -      #83

    OK, as bringing it up before didn’t get any response, let’s put it this way…
    -
    Let’s get some fighting feats for the Thing, and to be more exact. “the Thing Vs a Hogsworts armor”
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    @Zervziel
    “First they’d have to know the age of the creature. They don’t however. Plus in this it’s already in the school and has infected 17 students.”
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    Just the knowledge the rules give them should be enough for that, and thinks to the OP they actually seem to know more about it the just the rules would tell them.

  84. Rorschach December 6, 2012 at 10:27 pm -      #84

    “Let’s get some fighting feats for the Thing”
    What kind of “fighting”? The Thing doesn’t really fight. It relies on the element of surprise. It likes to catch a person/animal off guard and kill it as fast as possible with whatever means necessary i.e. head of person The Thing has imitated becomes a giant mouth, and bites another man’s head off. (note, I’ve only seen John Carpenter’s The Thing, and not the recent remake). At least from what I saw in the movie, The Thing doesn’t get into too many direct fights. When it does though, well…
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=15hHUK1lIgk
    This also shows that, no matter who or what The Thing has copied, it will morph or change to survive.

  85. GuardianAngel1911 with Mjolnir and the Kringlesword December 6, 2012 at 10:30 pm -      #85

    @Rorschach
    actually the recent one was a prequel not remake I’d heard.

  86. Rorschach December 6, 2012 at 10:41 pm -      #86

    “@Rorschach
    actually the recent one was a prequel not remake I’d heard.”
    Thanks for the correction. Will have to get around to watching it. Haven’t heard too much good things about it though.
    -
    Adding to comment #84, The Thing also relies on infecting as much people/animals as possible so that it can copy them and continue spreading. In John Carpenter’s The Thing, a few of the people infected fully believed they weren’t infected. One second, this one guy was just sitting there. Not looking suspicious at all. Once discovered, well…

  87. GuardianAngel1911 with Mjolnir and the Kringlesword December 6, 2012 at 10:44 pm -      #87

    @Rorschach
    I thought it was an interesting and good movie. To me, course I had never seen the original and didn’t know till after the fact that it was a prequel.

  88. Hermit December 6, 2012 at 10:46 pm -      #88

    I wonder if transfiguration works against the Thing.
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    Teachers, especially the Heads of Houses, seem to be quite good at it. Fake Moody is also adept at transfiguration.

  89. Rorschach December 6, 2012 at 10:52 pm -      #89

    “@Rorschach
    I thought it was an interesting and good movie. To me, course I had never seen the original and didn’t know till after the fact that it was a prequel.”
    Thanks for that. I’ll make it a point to get around to watching it then. It’ll hopefully have more evidence for The Thing in this match. I heard The Thing takes different approaches to it’s method of killing in it because it is younger. Oh, watch the original. It’s one of the best Sci-Fi Horror classics.
    -
    “I wonder if transfiguration works against the Thing.”
    Transfiguration… enlighten me on what that is in the Potter Verse?

  90. Hermit December 6, 2012 at 11:01 pm -      #90

    “Transfiguration… enlighten me on what that is in the Potter Verse?”
    .
    Transforming an object into something else.
    McGonagall has turned tables to pigs, Fake Moody can turn Malfoy into ferrets. Snape vanishes potions into nowhere. Teachers in general are good at this.
    All students are taught transfiguration from their first year up, though vanishment and conjuration aren’t taught until much later.

  91. Rorschach December 6, 2012 at 11:04 pm -      #91

    “Transforming an object into something else.
    McGonagall has turned tables to pigs, Fake Moody can turn Malfoy into ferrets. Snape vanishes potions into nowhere. Teachers in general are good at this.
    All students are taught transfiguration from their first year up, though vanishment and conjuration aren’t taught until much later.”
    Wow. That’s pretty impressive. My point for that is…
    Would they know what to transfigure, when anyone could be The Thing? Even themselves?

  92. GuardianAngel1911 with Mjolnir and the Kringlesword December 6, 2012 at 11:10 pm -      #92

    @Rorschach
    I plan on watching it when I can.
    ——-
    as for who to transfigure the Mauraders Map doesn’t show animals, and shows hidden peoples names, so it could be a good way to find out who is and isn’t who they claim. And Moody’s glass eye can see through Harry’s invisibility cloak so it should be able to help.

  93. Hermit December 6, 2012 at 11:18 pm -      #93

    “Would they know what to transfigure, when anyone could be The Thing? Even themselves?”
    .
    The people who stick by Fake Moody do, and in this dark hour, they’ll pretty much stick to him like glue.
    .
    Moody’s eye can see through shapeshifters (boggarts, who can turn into inanimate objects) and invisibility cloaks, so seeing through the Thing should be child’s play.
    .
    If you’re going to ask how, I also do not see how he was able to know the thing inside the drawer is a boggart, something that doesn’t even have a definite form to begin with. So let’s just say it was magic and be done with it.

  94. Tech/Mana December 6, 2012 at 11:19 pm -      #94

    @Hermit: Are the Dementors going to go after rats? Insects? Fleas? Because the Thing is just as capable to assimilating those creatures and imitating them and spreading outside in that manner, where it could infect the plant life and all the fauna and flora outside the castle.

    ==

    Also, another really bad thing is that it doesn’t even need to leave it’s imitation to continue to spread. The Blair-Thing kills and assimilates Gary in the basement just fine without having to come out of it’s imitation. An imitation could get very close without someone suspecting anything.

    ===

    The transfiguration thing I’d imagine would work on the thing, but don’t forget that if the Thing has imitated wizards and witches, then it has all their knowlage about transfiguration, and would know how to perform it, and maybe even how to protect itself from it.

  95. Shgon Dunstan December 6, 2012 at 11:19 pm -      #95

    So the Thing can’t brake rock with it’s bare “hands”?
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    Then the fact that Hogsworts has a small army of living suites of armor that it can’t infect has got to be impotent.
    -
    Hell, as they know somethings infecting people and are trying to stop it… I’m not sure how it’s supposed to get the freedom to to its job.
    -
    If nothing else, Dumbledore can just turn everyone into non-biological objects, and go through them one at a time.

  96. Rorschach December 6, 2012 at 11:45 pm -      #96

    @Hermit
    “The people who stick by Fake Moody do, and in this dark hour, they’ll pretty much stick to him like glue.”
    If it’s true that The Thing can use magic and spells from people he’s infected, he could just overrun Hogwarts.
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    “Moody’s eye can see through shapeshifters (boggarts, who can turn into inanimate objects) and invisibility cloaks, so seeing through the Thing should be child’s play.”
    Considering the people The Thing has infected know of this, he could just avoid Moody at all costs, then wait for the moment to strike.
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    “If you’re going to ask how, I also do not see how he was able to know the thing inside the drawer is a boggart, something that doesn’t even have a definite form to begin with. So let’s just say it was magic and be done with it.”
    Oh. Ok. Wasn’t gonna ask anyway, but, ok.
    -
    @Tech/Mana
    “The transfiguration thing I’d imagine would work on the thing, but don’t forget that if the Thing has imitated wizards and witches, then it has all their knowlage about transfiguration, and would know how to perform it, and maybe even how to protect itself from it.”
    Exactly. I think I might not be able to judge how fake Moody will act, seeing as how I haven’t seen past Harry Potter 2, but, I’m pretty sure Moody can’t be everywhere at once, and, in a crisis such as this one, the students and Hogwarts faculty wouldn’t be just walking about everywhere, if they know enough about The Things imitation and infection abilities.
    -
    Also, another thing to consider for the match…
    The psychological terror.
    Hogwarts is a school. There are children here that have no comprehension of what The Thing is capable of. If The Thing’s abilities are found out by the majority of Hogwarts, that would be all The Thing needs. Hogwarts might just destroy itself, killing others believed to be The Thing(Not counting those with Moody.)

  97. Rorschach December 6, 2012 at 11:59 pm -      #97

    “Transforming an object into something else.
    McGonagall has turned tables to pigs, Fake Moody can turn Malfoy into ferrets. Snape vanishes potions into nowhere. Teachers in general are good at this.”
    I have a question about this actually…
    Does transfiguration completely change the x into y, or is some remnant of x still in y?

  98. Shgon Dunstan December 7, 2012 at 12:15 am -      #98

    @Rorschach
    “Considering the people The Thing has infected know of this, he could just avoid Moody at all costs, then wait for the moment to strike.”
    -
    Actually they don’t, much less at the start of the school year.

  99. BC December 7, 2012 at 12:24 am -      #99

    ” Hogwarts might just destroy itself, killing others believed to be The Thing(Not counting those with Moody.) ”
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    Possibly some would kill in panic, but it would not be necessary to kill to get rid of the thing. Transfiguration does not have to be fatal and transfiguring someone into the same person they were before getting infected would not kill them, it would however effectively kill the element of the thing doing the impersonation. It would be like curing incurable diseases or whatever with the transporter by using old uninfected patterns on star trek.

  100. Rorschach December 7, 2012 at 12:32 am -      #100

    @Shgon Dunstan
    “Actually they don’t, much less at the start of the school year.”
    Then The Thing would just spread itself everywhere it can, in any people it can, and imitate as much people it can. 600 students would be a lot easier to infect than 10 faculty, depending on what faculty members though, and which students. Still, with all the new students coming in at the start of the year, many of them will not know what’s in store for them. Many will not be prepared, and many will be easy targets. They could also be inadvertently infected by coming in contact with another infected student. This way, all it would take would be one infected/imitated student per class, and it could easily spread from there. Same for Dorms, and even the teacher, if Moody doesn’t find her first. Once The Thing makes itself known, there would be chaos among the majority of students in Hogwarts, and the teachers would have a hard time controlling them. All it would take is revealing one deformed student Thing, and maybe a gory murder or two of more students to terrify everyone.
    -
    Here’s an idea… The Thing infecting those owls that bring stuff to the kids. Mass infection waiting to happen. Unless those are “magic” owls, or The Thing can’t get to them as easily as I think it can…
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    Also, if Moody does find and transfigure the teacher that’s infected, or the students, they don’t know for sure how much are infected at this point. this alone might put even them at odds with each other, with Moody only being able to determine who is real and who is The Thing.

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