Suggested by Gluttonous Behemoth
For this battle, we have the Chitauri from the Marvel Cinematic Universe going up against the warriors of the the Covenant from Halo.
For the Chitauri:
28 Chariots
70 Warriors
2 Space Whales
-
For the Covenant:
28 Banshees
30 Unggoy (Grunts)
10 Kig-Yar (Jackals)
10 Sangheili (Elites)
10 Jiralhanae (Brutes)
4 Huragok (Engineers)
4 Yanme’e (Drones)
4 Phantoms
-
Battlefield shall be Manhattan Island.
Who wins?
Loading ...
I’m betting on the Covenant until I find out that the Space Whales can’t be destroyed. Knowledge of firepower here eludes me.
Meh, been months since I saw the Avengers. Anyone else remember what kind of firepower/durability Chitauri units have?
I don’t know much about the Covenant but they seem to outnumber the Chitauri here.
As for Space Whale durability, nothing Iron Man did could hurt them from the outside, I don’t know if the Covenant has weapons that make Iron Man look pathetic or not but yeah only Hulk and Thor were able to take them down from the outside.
Is there a possibility for an inside job for the space whales?
.
For the Covenant, the tactic against the Space Whales is focus fire, take out those guys first before they kill everything else. Then they can bring their numbers advantage to bear.
“For the Covenant, the tactic against the Space Whales is focus fire, take out those guys first before they kill everything else”
-
Maybe, but that would leave them vulnerable to a rear assault by the weaker units
I think the Covenant can win against Chariots and Warriors, however those Space Whales… I don’t think the Phantoms have the firepower to put even one of them down, even if they contraindicated fire, unless of course the space whales happen to have a weakness to plasma. I can’t remember if the whales had defense turrets, but maybe a group of Ranger Elites can get aboard with an Engineer and sabotage it? Anyway how about infantry weapons? Do Elites get carbines, do Jackals get Beam Rifles, are there Grunt Heavies with Fuel Rod Guns?
“…they contraindicated fire…”
.
Concentrated fire. Or simply focus fire.
-
“Maybe, but that would leave them vulnerable to a rear assault by the weaker units”
.
They have a numbers advantage, they can afford a few losses as long as the heavy hitters are taken out.
^
Whoops, early morning typo lol.
Yeah in this case the numbers advantage actually means something. Though a group of Chitauri were able to pin the Hulk down..
what number advantage are people talking about? there’s 100 on each side and the chitauri have 30 aerial units compared to the covenant 4.
why only 4 drones? the drones main tactic is to swarm their target with superior numbers and with only 4 they are useless unless they board a space whale but that is doubtfull.
Oh, I didn’t really add up the numbers so wasn’t sure.
Still do the 28 pilots of the chariots count as part of the 70 warriors or are they seperate?
Dang, didn’t do the math.
“what number advantage are people talking about? there’s 100 on each side and the chitauri have 30 aerial units compared to the covenant 4.”
-
Um, The Covenant have 32 aerial units, 28 Banshees and 4 Phantoms.
banshees are better than chariots because they can actually maneuver around. they could make them fly into things by out maneuvering them like iron man did
as far as whales go couldn’t they just make them eat an engineer each and make them splode from the inside
What about the warriors that the space whales carry?
i think its just the people it takes to man it.
Considering that the Chitauri were the worst thing about the Avengers and that modern weapons would deal with that threat handily, I’m gonna go with the Covenant. They have future-stuff, right?
yeah they have energy and plasma weapons
@Aelfinn: Uh, did you see the police and National Gaurd fail at containing the Chitauri threat? They have modern weapons, which did not deal with them handily.
-
@ka-tet: No, remember how the warriors jumped out of the Leviathans?
yes i do remember that nut im saying for the sake of the match i think they just meant the men it would take to man it. unless specified otherwise
I got to go with the Covenant here.
-
The Chitauri were up against the local police force + the Avengers. While the local police were not a significant threat, neither could the Chiauri effortlessly curbstomp them as evidenced by the fact that the police were actually holding a line. There weren’t doing much and the Chitauri were largely doing other things, but the fact remains that the police survived by being able to fight off the forces that did challenge them, and this is while the Chitauri have better weapons, better armor, better physical abilities, better vehicals, and air superiority. Against the Avengers… well they utterly failed in every way against those 6 people.
-
The Covenant are vastly superior in terms of weapons and armor compared to the police, the Covenant are pretty much all in the “superhuman” catagory, and the Covenant have air forces to match the Chitauri’s own.
-
Now while the Convenant don’t have a conveinent Hulk lying around to smash the space whales, everything else the Chitauri can throw at the Covenant is going to be pretty commonplace for them. The Banshees in particular are going to be much better than those stupid chariots. Banshees are (outside of gameplay) much faster than the chariots, and they are extremely manuverable, and better armed with their twin plasma cannons plus a fuel rod cannon. They also have a higher ceiling since they are space capable. Being able to fly higher than your enemy is always a big advantage because it gives you a place that the enemy cannot follow. And while the Banshees aren’t exactly the most durable ship, they at least provide actual cover for their pilots; chariots are completely exposed.
-
Elites, Brutes, and Hunters are going to be doing to the ground forces what Captain America, Black Widow, and Hawkeye did to them; fuck them up. 30 Grunts may seem like cannon fodder, but under the leadership of Elites they can be turned into an effective fighting force (at least somewhat). Contrast this to the complete and total chaos of the Chitauri forces, where their stratagy seemed to be “fight”. They didn’t protect their wormhole, they didn’t stay together for very long, they just zerg rushed; and that tactic is going to put them in the possition to be defeated in detail against an organized Covenant force.
-
And while the Chitauri were still accomplishing their main goal in the movie until Iron Man killed them all with that nuke, that won’t work here because their numbers are extremely limited. Once the Covenant start taking out large numbers of the ground and air forces, they can concentrate fire on teh space whales with their fuel rod cannons. While that won’t do much unless they shoot them down the mouth of the space whale, they should have enough forces remaining that that tactic will be eventually realized in time to pull it off and win.
-
Also 4 Phantoms are a great ground support force. This allows the Covenant ground troops great mobility and extra overhead firepower against ground targets. The Banshees are going to have to be protecting these early in teh fight as they will be the first targets for the chariots.
“2 Space Whales”
-
Lol.
This will probably have to be necro’d in a few years. But, anyway:
-
It seemed like PIS or CIS that the Chitauri were Zerg rushing. The ships seemed to be pretty well organized, and the Chitauri actually were coordinating their attacks, somewhat.
-
Then again, the attack was really short and not well covered, so can’t know for sure, but they seemed to be trying to basically just gain a bit of ground before they started the assault. They also focused power on the people who were doing well (the Avengers), which may be why the police and NG were able to hold a perimeter. If you notice, it seemed like the police weren’t attacked until Cap showed up, and then a squad attacked him. There were dozens of people swarming Hawkeye, and lots more attacking Romanoff, Cap and Thor on the ground.
“Um, The Covenant have 32 aerial units, 28 Banshees and 4 Phantoms.”
-i thought the banshees were the smaller hovering things that stayed near the ground.
-
-
“banshees are better than chariots because they can actually maneuver around. they could make them fly into things by out maneuvering them like iron man did”
-i don’t know…..those chariots were pretty darn maneuverable, not quite being able to out fly iron man is not necessarily a bad point.
-
-
“The Chitauri were up against the local police force + the Avengers. While the local police were not a significant threat, neither could the Chiauri effortlessly curbstomp them as evidenced by the fact that the police were actually holding a line. There weren’t doing much and the Chitauri were largely doing other things, but the fact remains that the police survived by being able to fight off the forces that did challenge them, and this is while the Chitauri have better weapons, better armor, better physical abilities, better vehicals, and air superiority.”
-from what i remember the police didn’t take out a single chitauri and when actually attacked could not hold any line unless there was an avenger there. I remember a specific scene where the chitauri were just flying overhead and blowing the crap out of the cops and their cars on their way by as if in afterthought.
-
-
now i’m not saying the chitauri win, but they deserve a little more credit than the movies pis and pg-13 rating gave them(spam strafe the streets with their weapons that were blowing up cars and you have empty streets and thousands of deaths…..actually that would have been way cooler than the way the movie did it).
”
-i thought the banshees were the smaller hovering things that stayed near the ground.”
-
Ghosts are the speeder bike-like vehicals.
cdn1.gamepro.com/blogfaction/images/Ghost_of_Halo1.jpg
-
Banshees are capable of full flight. halowiki.net/images/thumb/f/f9/Banshee_Header.jpg/300px-Banshee_Header.jpg
-
“-i don’t know…..those chariots were pretty darn maneuverable, not quite being able to out fly iron man is not necessarily a bad point.”
-
It isn’t that they are bad, it’s just Banshees are better. They are faster when they are going fast. (60+ mph as a low end; escape velocity+ as a high end), and they are more maneuverable when they are slower to the point of direct momentum cancelling and multi-axis turns (seen in gameplay with the barrel rolls and turning).
-
“-from what i remember the police didn’t take out a single chitauri and when actually attacked could not hold any line unless there was an avenger there. I remember a specific scene where the chitauri were just flying overhead and blowing the crap out of the cops and their cars on their way by as if in afterthought.”
-
MY POINT was that the Chitauri could not kill the cops fast enough before the cops established a line of fire. The cops were able to make something of a defensive guesture. They were not some overwhelmed that they were pointless. Additionally, does anyone know if Captain America has any decent superhuman durability feats? Cause he got shot by one of their ground weapons and walked it off. If he isn’t superhumanly durable then those are some weak ass guns. The fact that Hawkeye was able to kill them with regular arrows also puts Chitauri durability within modern weapons’ effective kill abilties. So the only real reason why the cops couldn’t handle the Chitauri are A) surprise, B) Chitauri numbers, and C) Chitauri air superiorirty. Those Chairiots were blasting the hell out of teh ground. I’ll admit that, but the troops themselves were pathetically weak unless they were engaged in hand to hand where they could use their super strength.
-
The Chitauri don’t have surprise here, nor numbers, not air superiority. Covenant weapons are actually even better at killing armored targets than mere arrows. And Chitauri super strength isn’t going to do much against Elite and Brute super strength; especially so if the Brutes get their Halo 3 power armor. Elites already have their shields. Both of these things put their individual survivability much higher than any non-vehical/space whale unit in this match.
Oh, and the fact that Black Widow was using a glock against the Chitauri doesn’t exactly help their cause either.
-
A Brute, Elite, or Hunter would laugh at such a pathetic bullet. Grunts and Jackels would only be stopped by those after repeated hits. Basically, for Black Widow’s gun to be effective against the Chitauri implies that their armor sucks ass. … as in even worse armor than current military grade protective vests.
“Additionally, does anyone know if Captain America has any decent superhuman durability feats?”
-
Not sure about the Marvel Movie-verse Captain America, but yeah Cap some good durability feats. Although I think it was more of his suit providing protection.
“4 Phantoms”
-
That should be quite helpful, I I remember right phantoms are pretty durable and they pack quite the punch.
i am of the opinion that the covenent win with casualties well within the acceptable range. i also think that if this were a full fleet/armie fight, the Covies would ass-ream the Chitauri.unless Thanos or something came to help.
If I remember correctly, didn’t Phantoms have a plasma-torpedoe type weapon when assaulting Anchor 9? That would be quite useful, against just about everything.
“Although I think it was more of his suit providing protection.”
-
And what was his suit made of? Cause I remember it didn’t look like any heavy armor.
@tmwta
Those had special upgrades though, 5 heavy plasma cannons and a front energy shield. Regular Phantoms only have 1 chin mounted heavy plasma cannon and 2 side turrets.
” Uh, did you see the police and National Gaurd fail at containing the Chitauri threat? They have modern weapons, which did not deal with them handily.”
-
I saw a couple ground forces completely surprised mount some form of a counter-attack. With anything heavier than what the average soldier carries, the Chitauri would be turned into mincemeat. They were being taken out by ARROWS, for fucks sake. Yeah, they were shot by the best marksman in the world, but shitty design is shitty design. I don’t know why “shutting down the portal” was such a big deal. It’s not like the world was going to be conquered by the piss-poor force mounted against them.
“And what was his suit made of? Cause I remember it didn’t look like any heavy armor.”
-
In the comics his suit can tank bullets and what not.
I’m going with OriginalA on this one.
-
Chitauri couldn’t overwhelm the cops and were downed by bog standard arrows and handgun rounds between Hawkeye and Black Widow. Covenant guns may be utter ass compared to most other sci-fi weapons but guns like the Carbine and Fuel Rod Cannon will certainly be capable of tearing apart the Chitauri ranks.
-
Space Whales are trouble but the Covenant got close to 30 Banshees here. That’s a lot of firepower assuming none are downed.
-
I think the Marvel Animated Chitauri from the Ultimate Avengers movie could have put up a better fight.
It’s difficult to find a good video of the fight, but at about 1:06 we can see Iron Man getting blasted a few times by the chitauri to no ill effect. It seems contradictory, because at other times their firepower is enough to make small explosions and demolish cars, as previously stated.
~
The explanation that comes to mind is that the explosive firepower comes from the chitauri chariots only, and the small energy rifles they carry individually really don’t do too much. Which I think is contradicted directly by the scene where Hulk is momentarily overwhelmed by concentrated rifle fire, I just can’t find the scene on youtube. Then again, they also have the energy handguns.
~
At any rate, the fact that the chitauri see to have normal human durability is enough to see them lose this match. As for the space whales, not even Iron Man’s one-off megalaser, which cuts through thick steel like butter, was enough to get through their armor. Their downside is they seem to only have ramming power.
~
I doubt their ability to effectively flop around on all of the Covenant. If they could be “fed” a bomb of missile or something…
maybe if the Space-Whales ate a hunter the Lglegoko(?) worms could take them over. thise are what makes scarabs move like living creatures for the most part.
Huh, didn’t think this would actually get posted. I tried to diversify, using all of the Covenant species that I could use.
I could reshuffle the forces to make it more even.
“I could reshuffle the forces to make it more even.”
-I don’t see any point in that. Which forces would make an even match could be it’s own debate by itself. Not a bad idea for a match by the way, but the Covenant are a superior force overall.
“Which I think is contradicted directly by the scene where Hulk is momentarily overwhelmed by concentrated rifle fire”
-
It isn’t rifles. Hulk has about 16 Chariots in a stagered line formation soaking him with energy bolt; eventaully shrouding him in smoke from the explosions.
-
“maybe if the Space-Whales ate a hunter the Lglegoko(?) worms could take them over. thise are what makes scarabs move like living creatures for the most part.”
-
Scarabs are basically a giant suit of mobile power armor in the shape of a seige weapon that the Hunter-worms control from the inside. It is a machine built and designed to be controled by the Hunter-worms. A Space Whale is an entity of its own right. Where has a Hunter ever shown to take control of another living being by being inside of it? … I thought as much; they haven’t been shown to do so.
-
@G.B.:
I don’t think this match needs resuffling.
The Covenant have stronger ground forces; true.
The Covenant has more transports for their ground forces; true
The Covenant have arguably better maneuverability in the air; true.
The Chitauri have the toughest targets on the battlefield by a wide margin.
The Chitauri can severaly damage the Covenant’s ability to move their troops by taking out their transports; this can’t be easily reversed as the Chitauri transports are the nigh-invulnerable space whales that they don’t even have to protect for the most part.
The Chitauri are probably going to have an advantage after a short amount of time since more than half of the Covenant ground troops are cannon fodder. Sure they can do some good, but they will fall much sooner than the Elites, Brutes, and Hunters; at which point the Chitauri ground forces will outnumber them.
Chitauri air forces have a higher average firepower with their chariot blasters being roughly equal to a Fuel Rod cannon blast.
-
It is, on the whole, pretty equal. Each side has advantages in places and weaknesses in others. It can go either way… I think, and several others it appears agree with me here, that the advantages of the Covenant forces will in the end prove to make up for their disadvantages.
-
To put it another way:
The Covenant forces are a mixed bag between having an advantage (speed and maneuverabilty in the air; better armor and weapons on the ground) and disadvantages (average firepower in the air is lower than the Chitauri’s, half of the ground troops will die fairly easily even against the weak chitauri rifles).
-
The Chitauri on the other hand are a very even average:
Their air forces have a higher average firepower then the enemies, but this is ofset by good-but-inferior maneuverability and speed, and bad armor.
Their ground forces have a higher average durability than the Covenant ground forces, but lower firepower, plus that have decent melee abilities.
Their space whales are basically going to be a continious hazard for the entire duration of the match until the Covenant can afford to direct complete attention to them in mass numbers; these things have basically free reign to cause damage for the entire fight against any target they want… that is a huge deal.
-
They are pretty equal…. I just think the Covenant will take control of the skies first and then wipe out the ground with air superiority (while the tougher ground troops fight for their lives; the rest are already dead) and then once that is done they concentrate fire against the space whales with an extreme numbers advanatage. At that point the Covenant can afford to play it safe and shoot at them all day from a distance while one or two Banshees act as bait…. but they can’t do that as long as the Chitauri chariots are around cause those actually have the firepower to bring down a banshee…. rather easily actually.
Controlling the high ground is critical to winning any battle.
and covenant def have the high ground
“It isn’t rifles. Hulk has about 16 Chariots in a stagered line formation soaking him with energy bolt; eventaully shrouding him in smoke from the explosions.”
-That’s what I was wondering, thanks.
~
“(average firepower in the air is lower than the Chitauri’s, half of the ground troops will die fairly easily even against the weak chitauri rifles).”
-Shields won’t help them? The chitauri seem to have none while I thought the Covenant had them as standard equipment. I don’t mean the disc-shields, but the body-field type ones. I had actually assumed the Covenant soldiers would be somewhat difficult to put down, but mayhaps I was wrong.
~
Either way, the Covenant ground forces won’t last long at all if the space whales, you know, lay on them. From there it’s just a matter of catching their air forces, which looks like it may prove impossible. But the Covenant will have to eventually engage their foes.
~
At best, the Covenant could sustain some losses while eliminating all the lesser enemy aircraft save for the whales, but at least a large amount of the chitauri ground forces should be able to take shelter from unfriendly fire if they need to.
~
I keep seeing an impasse. The Covenant aircraft won’t be able to harm the whales, but neither will the relatively slow whales be able to catch or damage them. Except for the Phantoms, which I suspect would die pretty quickly from aerial body slams.
~
I suppose the Banshees will eventually run out of fuel, and then the whales will crush them. So that’s that. That’s the extent of my guesswork.
@Soulerous
“I thought the Covenant had them as standard equipment.”
-
Elites and higher ranking Brutes have shields, Jackals have the disc type, and Grunts just have their tin foil armor. Although with the inclusion of Engineers, all near by units get an overshield over their normal shields, even grunts and jackals. That will handy, until the Chitauri start to shoot the Engineers down.
-
“Except for the Phantoms, which I suspect would die pretty quickly from aerial body slams.”
-
Phantoms are quite maneuverable compared to a space whale, and I’m pretty sure they’re faster too.
-
“I suppose the Banshees will eventually run out of fuel”
-
I’m not exactly sure how long Banshees can go without refueling, but in Halo 1 Master Chief used a banshee to cross a large part of the Halo ring to go from a Covenant Cruiser to the wrecked Pillar of Autumn. I doubt this will last more than a few hours.
With regard to the space wales, dont forget as they get hosed by plasma, even if it cant pen their armour in one hit, it will eventually cook them.
Are the Warriors being carried by the Leviathans?
how would the space-whales fare against a Covenant Corvette? i know the covies don’t have one, though it may even the fight out a little unless the corvette would turn this into a stomp.
It depends on the durability of the Space whale. We know that a covenant corvette can take down a UNSC frigate with sustained fire, but we also know that a few missiles were able to heavily damage one (during the raid on Alexandria).
-
Do we have any durability feats for the Space whales?
they could take iron man’s red laser thing that cut’s through heavy steel and stuff. however electricity seems to do a number on them, though that might just be Thor.
The things seem to be vacuum-proof, and can move freely in space, so I think that their shells/armor are high-efficiency insulators that keep their inner squishy bits from freezing, and also are able to resist energy/heat attacks like IM’s lasers. A Taaank Miiiisile (I assume it was one) stuck to an exposed crack blew one up pretty solidly.
Jackal Sniper teams will ride in the Phantoms and take position on the Empire State and other really tall buildings. The snipers could certainly snipe the exposed Chariot drivers and leave them as falling debris. Likewise, Elite Rangers could ride with the Phantoms and use them to drop down onto ground forces, Chariots, or the Space Whales. With the Banshees focusing on Chariot killing, the chariots won’t last long.
-
There was no mention of rank on the Covenant forces so I’d assume there is at least 1 Chieftain, and 1 General. The brutes will have equipment such as flares, bubble shields, deployable shields, power drains, health rechargers, grav lifts, and even active camo. With the Chieftain leading the ground forces, and all this cover, as well as carbines, fuel rods, brute shots, needlers. needle rifles, a few plasma cannons, and at least one hammer. They should be able to hold the line long enough for the air forces to wipe out the chariots. The biggest fear would be a whale body slam, but that could be solved through Phantom rides, using buildings as cover, and not grouping up.
-
I believe however that the exposed drivers on the chariots will be their downfall, any vehicle or soldier in the Covenant forces here (minus the Engineers) can kill a Chariot, while only a chariot could kill a Banshee in this fight, the Chitauri small arms are too weak and the whales to slow.
-
Add in that a Banshee can maneuver better (always a + in dogfighting, especially when dodging through city streets,) is faster (+,) can climb higher (+,) and can still kill a chariot in a short burst, the Banshee is a much better aircraft and will come out on top of almost every dogfight.
-
Once the Chariots are gone then the Covenant win as only the space whales could (possibly) withstand the Banshees and there is nothing that could kill them
kinda a random question, but how powerful is The Other? and great breakdown of the fight by the way sgtNACHO.
We never see him.
He isn’t the guy that kinda mind-bitch-slapped Loki in the movie? The guy with two thumbs that makes a pun to Thanos after the credits? “to challenge them is to court death”? i loled at that.
Now the question I have is, do the space whales have any firepower? Because if they do not then eventually the phantoms could potentially take them down, for I do not remember the space whales ever firing anything in the movie. Now I think the covenant beats the Chitauri chariots and warriors easily, but the question is does the covenant have enough firepower to bring down the space whales with the resources they have, and I don’t really know what kind of offensive attacks the whales have which could leave them vulnerable to the covenant.
Leviathans have no firepower other than brute force, but if they’re carrying some Warriors, they could. Or if they have a guard of Chariots.
-
Also, one Chariot needs 2 Warriors, so the Chitauri have only 4 on the ground, unless there are also extra Warriors on the Chariots, in which case the Warriors should be carried by the Leviathans.
The leviathan was destroyed by starks missiles when hulk punched it and it almost landed on top of them. Iron manjyst couldn’t penetrate the shields with his repulsors. The chitauri seem much dumber and less tactical than the covenant. Plus, those phantoms are pretty powerful. I think the covies take this one
Yay the covenant finally win a match!
Uh, this is still being debated (not really, though.)
If the Phantoms (or anything) have firepower greater than Iron Man’s red laser, then the Covenant win. If they do not, then the chitauri claim victory. Thus far, fortune favors the chitauri.
The covenant elite would make short work them , covenant for the win
“If the Phantoms (or anything) have firepower greater than Iron Man’s red laser, then the Covenant win. If they do not, then the chitauri claim victory. Thus far, fortune favors the chitauri.”
-
The two weapon systems are functionally different. You cant draw that conclusion. Incidentally, the leviathans have virtually no defence against infantry being landed on them and just digging into them.
“The two weapon systems are functionally different.”
-They both use tremendous heat to deal damage, do they not?
~
“You cant draw that conclusion.”
I can draw that conclusion as long as feats for the Covenant’s weapons haven’t been provided.
~
…Then again, I haven’t posted the feat regarding the space whale tanking Iron Man’s laser, which I thought I had. There’s so few clips on youtube, though… so you can nevermind that, even though we should all know the feat already.
~
But as long as we’re all taking each other’s word, I will say that weapons capable of letting infantry units “dig into” the space whales have not been mentioned. What do they have that will allow them to do this?
“If the Phantoms (or anything) have firepower greater than Iron Man’s red laser, then the Covenant win.”
-
Ironman’s laser was stated to go up into the petawatt range. That mean anything?
@s’Kwol: Seriously? Where?
The Covenant hand-weapons are capable of blowing up limbs and setting fire to nearby things when fired (Keyes shoots an insurgent in the leg with a Plasma Rifle and is sent backwards due to the recoil, his pants also catches some fire, while the Insurgent has a missing leg and then head after another shot). The Fuel Rod Guns (the ones carried by Heavy Grunts) can punch a 4 meter wide hole in a concrete sewer and kill about six Covenant troops with one shot.
-
Needlers pretty much blow shit up and Plasma Pistols can eat through armor without any issues. In fact, the first mention of a Plasma Pistol has it as being able to melt titanium with ease, so the Covenant have an advantage in the weapons department.
-
I don’t know about the Phantoms, but the Spirit dropships are able to achieve a speed of 220mph while cruising and 680mph as a maximum speed, so I do not see the Leviathan as a threat to them.
“Seriously? Where?”
-
Mini-comic detailing the development of the armor delivery system we see in Avengers that saved him when he was falling.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF7vH8OifxU&t=4m24s
“They both use tremendous heat to deal damage, do they not?”
-
And that heat is delivered in totally different methods. Iron mans laser could be stopped with a piece of glass, a plasma bolt could not, for one example.
-
“I can draw that conclusion as long as feats for the Covenant’s weapons haven’t been provided.”
-
What? If anything thats less of a reason to be able to.
-
“But as long as we’re all taking each other’s word, I will say that weapons capable of letting infantry units “dig into” the space whales have not been mentioned. What do they have that will allow them to do this?”
-
Do you honestly need me to spell it all out for you? You may not have noticed but there are large sections of the space whale that is not covered by armour. What do you think will happen if the covenant cut into that, under a armour plate, and jam in something explosive?
“Do you honestly need me to spell it all out for you?”
-Hey now, don’t act like I’m doing you a disservice. “Spelling out” is the typical action taken on these threads.
~
“You may not have noticed but there are large sections of the space whale that is not covered by armour.”
-Forgive me, but I haven’t looked much closer than these two pictures, and no unarmored areas were apparent to me, nor was such apparent to me in this video. Where exactly are these unarmored areas you speak of?
~
“And that heat is delivered in totally different methods. Iron mans laser could be stopped with a piece of glass, a plasma bolt could not, for one example.”
-And? The leviathan armor was resistant to it, so the covenant weapons must have greater heat than that to damage it. That’s the only point I was making. However the weapon systems deliver it, it’s a certain amount of heat in a certain amount of time.
~
“What? If anything thats less of a reason to be able to.”
-You know how FactPile works. I was merely stating that from what has been said on this thread, the leviathan armor is impenetrable. If you take a quick look at the very first comment, you may better understand why.
~
The mistake I made was thinking that feats had been posted for the leviathan’s durability. Incidentally, the Avengers clip I have in mind tells us that Iron Man’s laser might eventually get through the armor, and it’s not like we see it hitting the leviathan in the first place. That’s the other mistake, which hasn’t been questioned by anyone on this thread and so thus eluded me until now.
~
So I’d have to revise my statement and say that the Covenant do win. I love it when a debate comes together.
~
“Ironman’s laser was stated to go up into the petawatt range. That mean anything?”
-I am fairly certain that was for the comic-version’s repulsor rays.
“I am fairly certain that was for the comic-version’s repulsor rays.”
-Whoops, I take it back. Just saw post 70. The only problem is we don’t know the time-frame of those 200 petawatts.
@Soulerous: It only lasts for a few seconds. Less than five.
@Epic
But do those five seconds represent the full power output? That makes all the difference.
But what can the space whales really do? Fly around a bunch? Eventually the Covenant weapons will take it out, if only from sheer amounts.
@GB: I don’t quite understand.
@Aelfinn but the Covies weapons have to be recharged eventually and the Covenant forces we have here do not have the resources to accomplish this as far as i know.
“But do those five seconds represent the full power output? That makes all the difference.”
-I think we have to assume the 200 petawatts are delivered over the course of the laser blast. It would be silly of us to say it might take several separate blasts of this one-off weapon.
~
I was merely offput by the fact that we have to space those petawatts throughout several seconds instead of knowing they are delivered each second or something.
~
“But what can the space whales really do? Fly around a bunch? Eventually the Covenant weapons will take it out, if only from sheer amounts.”
-If they can take two of them out before they run out of fuel and/or their weapon systems are drained, as DragonRebornSTOMP brought up. I don’t remember a known limit to the Banshee or Phantom weapon life, though. Does anyone know about these things?
~
And also, proof of the energy output of Covenant weapons would be awesome. s’Kwol xah cigam was good enough to provide proof for Iron Man.
Covenant. wins but u sure loaded the covenant haha