Suggested by Sauroposeidon
No fancy settings. No fancy rules.
We have here Terry McGinnis, the heir to the Batman mantle, up against General Grievous as depicted originally in the Clone Wars cartoons (Star Wars).
The battle is a simple open air arena, with walls and pathways similar to a laser tag arena. The time is at night.
Does Batman take a new souvenir home for the Bat Cave?
Or does Grievous now have a particular pointy eared hood as a trophy?
Meh, initial bets with Grievous
I get the feeling the Force is not with McGinnis
Animated Grievous from the miniseries rapes him, but Grievous from the current clone wars series loses because he always loses.
@Imperator
wouldn’t that be PIS/CIS that only happens because of the show?
Does Grievous get a blaster?
@G.A.
CG Grievous is much slower and less skilled with his sabers. In Tartakovsky’s show, he fought and wrecked five Jedi masters and two padawans, at the same time.
New Grievous was pretty well stalemated by one Padawan.
@G.B
True, not saying that. An incarnation should be picked, I don’t want to go based off the image but if we do it is Tartakovsky’s version. I was just saying that saying he always loses in the show would probably count as PIS/CIS.
The main thing here is Terry’s lack of any defense against lightsabers. If he gets close to Grevious he is likely fucked.
Grievous stomps, lightning speed in the tartakovsky series allowed him to survive gunships commandos and Jedi without tiring. Terry has no lightsabers, so it’s not a real victory for grievous, so does terry win as grievous wont consider it a win?
*won’t consider it a fair fight
Microseries version is being used because it will actually make Terry have to work his ass of, and I feel all his damn tricks and gimmicks will make him take the other two versions fairly easily via cloak and (insert almost any of his super over powered batarangs here) and his 10 x human strength.
Can’t Terry go invisible and launch an ambush?
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I don’t think it would help anyway, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have anything strong enough to kill Grievous.
Explosive Bataraangs that leave Craters in steel(or insert future metal here) will fuck up Grievous’ lungs and ish.
Grievous can nip away from force blasts and dodge an insane amount of dakka from multiple directions, keep pace with a speeding elevator while running down a totally vertical surface, and keep walking even under air blasts that knocked rows of SBDs off their feet.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIj7gIDFDe4 (Skip to 2:50 for best start)
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He can take multiple assaults from various angles simultaneous, and every part of his body is dangerous.
@Behemoth
Invisibility than explosive Raangs?
@Itis
Depends on how close they have to come to explode. Anything far enough and he’ll just dodge.
i can’t get vids Youtube blocks it in my country
All I could find so far
Dodging
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Blocking/Shields
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More dodging
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Wait is,this comic or animated Terry
Some more BatGinnis stuff
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Takes out a green lantern and shows the shock feature of the suit
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Has to take a hit from micron to set up for another attack, micron’s attack: grow to the size of a building and stomp.
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Energy net batarang and blinding flash
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Freeze Batarangs
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Strength and speed
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“Wait is,this comic or animated Terry”
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Comic seems to be a continuation of the series. Like Buffy or Angel’s comic.
“Comic seems to be a continuation of the series. Like Buffy or Angel’s comic.”
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Isn’t his “current incarnation” the one from that JL episode?
I wasn’t sure if they were the same but if they are then disregard.
Terry still seems to be at a disadvantage though, Grevious can strike pretty damn fast.
“New Grievous was pretty well stalemated by one Padawan.”
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Um… Wut?
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If you are talking about Ahsoka he was deliberately holding back. Which is kinda obvious since he never pulls out any more than two sabers in that fight… and she was running away for the entire fight… and he beat her but she sucker punched him at the last second when he was distracted by an explosion.
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Nadar was a barely a knight when he fought Grevious… but he’s dead now. No points for guessing who killed him.
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So whom exactly are you talking about here? ‘Cause the only padawan that I can recall that fought Grievous and didn’t die is Ahsoka and she did that by (according to the writers) running the fuck away because she knew she could not win and Grievous was playing around.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=7suTG7y90k4
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now compare that to the episode Grievious Intrigue
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX3KpN-MrlI
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Sorry, couldn’t find an English one on youtube. Doesn’t matter. The point is that all three of the jedi he fought there were all masters. He does not fight them at the same time I’ll admit that. But he gets the better of Eeth Koth and Obi Wan (whom every member of the Jedi Council universally conclude is the best suited to defeat Grievous in RotS and are proven correct). He even blocks Adi Gallia’s suprise attack, and remember he doesn’t have the benift of foresight like his enemies do. Which is why he cheats, and conversly why the jedi see him as such a coward.
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Against Terry… Terry’s good, but I don’t think he’s that good. Not without getting pretty creative and using the battleground, but since it is pretty plain in this fight he is S.O.L. on that count.
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Basically… Even TCW Grievous is too much in my opinion. CW Grievous… well…
www.watchcartoononline.com/batman-beyond-episode-12
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Terry is not with out experience against an opponent with similar combat credentials to Grievous. I don’t know if I’d say Curare’ is MORE dangerous than Grievous, because if I felt that I’d of never made this match suggestion,. but I believe his experience with her either..
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A. Shows he’s got experience against enemies like Grievous
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or..
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B. Shows he’s got what it takes to not get stomped, rofl-style, by Grievous.
maybe after a fights, terry could pull some impressive shit that could make him win. but on that first fight, i give this to the general.
GG wiped the floor with Ki-Adi-Mundi, Shaak Ti, Aayla Secura, and some other Jedi, that is no small feat. Grievous is not to be overlooked. I’m having a hard time seeing how Batman Beyond will pull out a win.
” I’m having a hard time seeing how Batman Beyond will pull out a win. ”
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The beyond Batman is roughly the equivalent of the best mandalorians though he has a smaller weapons loadout usually so he would have to bring down Grievous fairly quickly to avoid running out of disposable weapons stores which would make it more difficult than it would if he had a good blaster to supplement his batarangs and other weapons (though his laser if he has one like the old Batman could be an unpleasant surprise for the general).
“GG wiped the floor with Ki-Adi-Mundi, Shaak Ti, Aayla Secura, and some other Jedi, that is no small feat. Grievous is not to be overlooked. I’m having a hard time seeing how Batman Beyond will pull out a win.”
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Explosive batarangs, invisibility, and the ability to throw large and heavy objects at Grevious to crush him maybe? All Terry really needs to do is turn invisible and get behind GG and it pretty much over.
I did forget about that episode. That was a good Batman Beyond episode. That was a good show. And that was a good showing for Terry; he usually gets beaten up pretty badly in the Season 1 episodes. He really held his own in that one.
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I still think Grievous is more of a threat than Curare though, by a considerable amount.
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Curare is skilled, obviously, and she has a few tricks that are pretty good (the boomerang sword throw was pretty impressive). Grievous, though, is going to be a tank compared to her. When Obi Wan punched him (and I’d like to remind everyone that jedi have enhanced strength and durability) his hand got hurt and Grievous just laughed. Grievous also has more sabers than Curare (again, obviously). When he does his blade twirling trick it makes Terry’s front tackle hit-and-run tactic that he favored against Curare suicidal.
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Terry does have baterangs, and flight, so range advantage goes to him. But I don’t think those are going to do much damage to Grievous and since he is a robot (mostly) he isn’t going to get tired out nearly as easily.
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On the plus side, that Batman Beyond episode clearly showed that Terry isn’t going to be stupid enough to immediately go for close range. In fact, Terry tended to stay away as much as possible unless circumstances forced him into extreme close range… so that is a major plus in Terry’s defence.
“But I don’t think those are going to do much damage to Grievous and since he is a robot (mostly) he isn’t going to get tired out nearly as easily.”
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What about the freeze batarangs, would they be useful?
“Explosive batarangs, invisibility, and the ability to throw large and heavy objects at Grevious to crush him maybe? All Terry really needs to do is turn invisible and get behind GG and it pretty much over.”
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Oh man, invisibility will be a tough one for GG. I think Grevious might be about to avoid most explosive batarangs. But invisibility could give Terry an edge when it comes to throwing those batarangs. As far as I know Grevious posses no sort of scanner, so it would be tough for him trying locate BB.
www.watchcartoononline.com/batman-beyond-season-2-episode-28-final-cut
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The other Curare episode because she’s awesome >_> No bullet deflecting but she does speed blitz later on.
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Terry doesn’t often cloak mid-fight unless he’s given time to shake his opponent. Would he be able to shake Grievous?
“Terry doesn’t often cloak mid-fight unless he’s given time to shake his opponent. Would he be able to shake Grievous?”
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He can fly, Grievous can’t.
@OriginalA
If I recall, in that one episode where Kit Fisto and his Padawan (the Mon Calamari) fight Grievous in some kind of home base, the Padawan fights GG by himself and is able to hold his own until he uses an extra arm and shoots him with a blaster. I haven’t seen this episode since it aired a very long time ago so my memory may be flawed.
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@Sauro we have scans of Terry catching a large stone disc in midair, he should be able to push grievous off with his arms, let alone jetboots to the chest that Terry likes to use to escape grapples.
Shaking someone is more of a speed and agility feat, especially in this setting, as opposed to strength. Would Terry’s jet boots get him to another level of the arena and in to cover before Grievous could catch him? Of course Terry doesn’t ALWAYS wait til he’s shaken his foe. He’s done it right in front of Dee Dee (the Dee Dee’s? Not sure what to call them) to avoid a hit.
G.B. said: “I haven’t seen this episode since it aired a very long time ago so my memory may be flawed.”
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It is. Nahdar lasts less than 30 seconds on his own. Also Nahdar was (barely) a jedi knight, so technicaly not a padawan, but I won’t hold that against you since it was a minor plot point that Nahdar was so inexpireneced.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or1t7i20qi4
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Interesting comparison: In Ahsoka’s fight against him they have about 2:20 of screen time together. Of that amount of time, they only were actively engaged in combat with each other for 20-25 second… depending on how you count it. The 5 second difference is a saber lock that Ahsoka initiated to save a clone trooper while Grievous verbally dismisses Ahsoka as a legitimate threat. So while Ahsoka survives longer (and the encounter). Nahdar lasted 23 seconds and Grievous used a cheap shot to kill him, so, technically, Nahdar faired a tiny bit better than Ahsoka (Ahsoka also got knocked out for a few seconds after her very first attack, so she really sucked it up against him). Ahsoka was just smarter than Nahdar and already knew she couldn’t win a straight fight, which is why she survived.
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Sauro said: “Would Terry’s jet boots get him to another level of the arena and in to cover before Grievous could catch him?”
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“The battle is a simple open air arena, with walls and pathways similar to a laser tag arena. The time is at night.”
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Um… No, since there appears to be no other level of the arena to go to. Unless I’m mistaken; it is your match after all.
@OriginalA
It’s like a laser tag arena so there’s a second floor and places to hide, but open air. With us using the Clone Wars Shorts Grevious as depicted in the picture and us having feats of him running along vertical surfaces with fairly high speeds it will take a bit more for Terry to get away.
I’d have to agree about CG Grevious though, he is still badass, and you are also right in saying Nahdar was also more a medic Jedi, he was in fact classified as a Jedi Knight Jedi Healer, so his saber skills were likely not as sharp as they could have been. and wasn’t Grevious not in the best shape and caught off guard at the time?
” and wasn’t Grevious not in the best shape and caught off guard at the time?”
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He was better by the time he fought Nahdar alone. It was when Nahdar, Fisto, and three or four clones jumped him earlier that he wasn’t expecting an attack (of course they couldn’t really ambush him properly because they talked to him first, but he still wasn’t expecting them there). They managed to destroy his legs (and I think one of his four hands). He gets repaired afterward. Nahdar is his first kill after he gets back in the field.
@OriginalA
okay, wasn’t really sure if he had gotten back in fighting form before or after Nadhar.
Fact remains Nadhar was a full fledged knight if a medical Jedi. So Ashoka is the only padawan that has fought Grievous.
“So Ashoka is the only padawan that has fought Grievous.”
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Well there was also this guy:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIj7gIDFDe4&t=2m42s
But I’m not sure if that counts as an actual fight. Sure the rest of it is a fight, but that is against Knights and Masters.
yeah that doesn’t count as fighting a Padawan, thats a curb stomp, a fairly literal one at that.
while there are several differences between terry and bruce wayne, batman is still batman. which means that with enough time and preparation, he can take on any foe. that means terry will need to run away a few times to beat him. that being said, the first few fights general grevious will kick his ass.