Suggested by Private Khaos
No time traveling for the Daleks
The Tyranids are from Warhammer 40k. The Daleks are from Doctor Who. And The Borg are from Star Trek. The Borg and Daleks have meet each other before on Factpile, but the Tyranids are thrown into the mix this time. And being from Warhammer, it is definitely not going to be an easy fight for the Borg or the Daleks.
Which of these three forces would defeat the other?
Borg lose horribly to either side. Daleks solo both though
The Tyranids and Borg have also faced each other (‘Nids vs Borg, Species 8742, and Starfleet), there were other Star Trek factions involved, but it ended in Tyranids vs Borg.
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Anyways, in this match, unless the Tyranids have something in their sleeve that can stop time travel or assimilation, I think this thread is going to be a repeat.
Assimilation? Seriously? Pretty sure those could be resisted with extremely strong nervous systems and Tyranids were capable of resisting Nurgle’s Rot, which can twist reality to infect beings. So… like thats going to work. Borg are the weakest faction in this thread
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But the Daleks still solo both due to overwhelming firepower/superweapons
Daleks rape with time travel, and the multitude of weapons they possess. Nothing the other side can do will really put the Daleks down. I wish we had better thought out Dalek matches
“No time traveling for the Daleks”
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No time travelling allowed for them
Who’s got the Reality Bomb again?
@StealthRanger: Sorry, didn’t read the italics. Even without it though, they have universal teleportation, ability to set themselves out of sync with the universe, nanites that are as strong if not stronger than Borg Nanites, and the penchant to create viruses that have a single cure and are incredibly virulent.
Oh, and Time Destructors, and an Eye of Harmony.
Oo-de-lally…
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Many times have the Daleks been discussed on FactPile, and not once have I had the good fortune of familiarizing myself with their feats of durability and firepower. Mayhaps I’ll get the chance soon.
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I’m personally betting on the Tyranids for now. The Daleks have lost their reality bomb last I knew, and space locusts are pretty ruggedly durable. Without time travel, this looks just like a titanic host of hive-minded biological superweapons vs a smaller army of advanced uber mini-tanks.
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Yes, I’m going with the space locusts until I find out more.
Seems like we get more and more rehashes of old matches nowadays. Anyway, daleks solo with the über weapons and shields plus superweapons. Borg die first, they can’t assimilate either. Tyranids swarm the daleks but are unable to get through their defenses (then only reason the humans were able to was if I remember correctly, a deus ex machina weapon made by the doctor).
Yes is got posted. Ok Daleks may take out a lot of tyranids and Borg and wipping out the Borg but for tyranids they got zoanthropes. Have Daleks faced anything that psychically powerful? Also the Swarmlord boneswords can cut through pretty much everything and the extremely overwhelming numbers can help too. I kinda know Daleks will win this but I just want to put some things out for the tyranids
This is a space fight. Neither the borg nor the daleks need planets. That means the nids are a non-factor in this debate. They will lose because they can not engage either of their enemies effectively in space.
Can not enga- really? Hive fleets, HIVE FLEETS. fleets of living beasts, usually numbering in the thousands for one hive ship, and there are usually more than one in a hive fleet, and they evolve rapidly to counteract whatever defenses and tactics you use against them, to the point where using the same strategy twice is a horrifically bad idea. And you think they can’t do jack to either side? No, just no.
I’m gonna stop you right thar Obyron. Do you even know the power of the Dalek Empire? They have weapons that can slag the Multiverse! AKA all of friggin creation!
“Can not enga- really? Hive fleets, HIVE FLEETS. fleets of living beasts, usually numbering in the thousands for one hive ship, and there are usually more than one in a hive fleet, and they evolve rapidly to counteract whatever defenses and tactics you use against them, to the point where using the same strategy twice is a horrifically bad idea. And you think they can’t do jack to either side? No, just no.”
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You could do with thinking before posting. What do nids have? Lots of ships. What weapons do they have? Claws, poison, spores, tentacles and so on. They are useful in 40k because they all bypass void shields which don’t stop slow moving or self propelled objects. You spray a venom stream against the borg its exactly as effective as spraying their shields with water. Spores have the same problem. With regard to claws and tentacles they cant catch their enemies. The sublight acceleration in 40k is nothing compared to most other sci-fi universes. The borg ships (and i presume the daleks) don’t have to let the nids anywhere near them. What the nids will end up doing is chasing after fleets they can never catch while those fleets blow chunks out of them.
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Ford, I saw someone named Ford-Prefect yesterday in TOR. That wasn’t you was it?
No, probably just another hitchhikers fan.
Even without time travel the Daleks have the capacity to move planets around the universe. ‘Nids are fine when they are invading a planet with their fleets, but when their fleets get invaded by planets??? I would rather not be in the way of a planet that is being used to tele-frag people. The Borg are great at assimilaiting planets, but these planets are going to be appearing inside Borg bases.
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It isn’t a good thing to be up against.
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The Daleks could build another Reality Bomb too. They just wouldn’t be allowed to displace it in time like they did before. It would make it vulnerable to invasion, but I don’t think they really have much to worry about.
This is a space fight. Neither the borg nor the daleks need planets.
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This is Khaos’s match. And I’m sure he would want this to be a ground battle to ensure no one has a clear advantage. Right Khaos? Right?
Except one side has a gun that will instantly kill anyone it hits, can fly, and is virtually impervious to attack. A ground battle wouldn’t change much. A handful of daleks fly over the battle field, spamming their guns, they pop a clever line about pest control, and it’s over.
Even so, couldn’t dalek ships easily destroy solar systems? The only force able to even resist the full power Dalek empire was THE FRACKIN TIMELORDS! And even then there was no victory, just an unending war now shut out from reality.
Daleks Stomp in a way that is hard to place into words.
@GB
Not that hard to put into words, although one word will suffice…EXTERMINATE!!!!
How about Daleks vs the Vogon Bureaucracy!
I suggested Borg vs Vogon construction fleet! No response from admin, probably eaten by the ravenous bugblatter beast of traal.
@Ford
I’m certain that Admin is a savvy man, undoubtedly he’s got a trusty towel with him for protection.
Well, look at me, GB, brain the size of a planet and they ignore my suggestions. I hope you know I’m very depressed.
@Akumath
Yes I prefer a ground battle. Air support is allowed. How about each side gets a force of 500,000.
@Private Khaos
Not a good idea to give them all equal numbers, the tyranid’s only hope is in numbers, and even with a numbers advantage, they still lose.
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@GB
Question, for any factpiler really: What do you get when you multiply six by nine?
Dalek leader looks at Tyranids: OUR BATTLE CRY HAS NEVER BEEN MORE APT. EXTERMINATE!!!!! EXTERMINATE!!!!!!!!
All Dalek Troops on the field: EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Daleks would destroy the Tyranids with 500 Daleks this isn’t war THIS IS SLAUGHTER!
@GuardianAngel
Remember just the Cult of Skaro vs the entire Cybermen army? 5-plus daleks can pretty much solo EVERYHING.
What would make this fair? 1 million tyranids 500 Daleks and 1000 Borg. Seem good?
I don’t think much will beat the Daleks, Khaos. Unless you plan on hampering their space capabilities and remove their super weapons and shields, but what would be the point of handicapping them like that?
“What would make this fair? 1 million tyranids 500 Daleks and 1000 Borg. Seem good?”
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Daleks still stomp.
Yeah without severely handicapping the Daleks any number just about is a stomp. and if we handicap them so bad they may as well not be in the match whats the point
Who is a good match for the daleks, the downstreamers were apparently (not my words) able to solo the entire whoniverse, so…
Keep the numbers for the other sides. One Dalek still wins in a ground battle.
Ok I give up Daleks win. Truthfully I used to be a huge 40K fanboy until I watched Doctor Who.
As seen in Asylum of the Daleks, they can utterly annihilate planets with shipboard missiles: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWpSiCo957Y#t=3m8s
sigh i see a spam fest commin up ill keep out but nids are able to to resist assimilation
Dalek transolar disks (seen in Dalek Invasion of Earth and the Dalek Empire audios) can be used to blast the atmosphere from planets using their self destruct. Ground battles still go to Daleks, even using the pre-Time War models.
-”We have Five Million Cybermen; how many are you?”
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-”You woould Defeat five million with Four Daleks?”
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Why do we insist on bringing time traveling species into fights only to take away the time travelling.
This has happened twice now to Daleks. I’m waiting to see a thread with the Doctor and the Time Lords where they can’t use TARDISes and any other time travel tech.
In some cases it is OK, such as when fighting the Culture, who are able to fight many high level races, but are crippled by the author of the Culture series stating time travel is impossible in his universe.
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And Tech/Mana, Khaos came on and said it would be a ground battle, so time travel doesn’t really factor in.
“What would make this fair? 1 million tyranids 500 Daleks and 1000 Borg. Seem good?”
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Daleks still stomp.
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Reminds me of this.
would the battle be a little bit better if we replaced the nids with some other race from 40k that was more into the ‘time and space’ thing.
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like Necrons?
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no?
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…ok
too late to switch the nids out now.
Though Daleks vs the entirety of Warhammer 40K may work, I don’t really know.
also even if just ground forces
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSD4RFEzRWs&NR=1&feature=endscreen
special weapons Dalek’s can blow up other Daleks, unless the Nids are a hell of a lot more durable than a Dalek….oh who am I kidding a single SPW Dalek would ass rape the Nids.
Now its to late to switch out,past 50
from what i’m reading, even the swich wouldent do much good against the Daleks….
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unless there is a Necron master that would say otherwise…
Switching anything wouldn’t matter, the Daleks win regardless.
During the time war a million lives were exterminated every second. That’s the Earth’s population in an hour- and that’s with conventional tactics. They could destroy the Earth/Galaxy/Universe in less time.
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So… numbers count for nothing against the Daleks. In the end, it takes a Doctor.
is there ANYTHING at all, that could possibly stand up to the Daleks (other than a Timelord)
Godzilla?
Squirrel girl(jk)
@_1538
Xeelee arguably have the best Time Travel mastery outside of Doctor Who.
Alright, can anyone point me towards the Dalek’s best durability feat? Because I was really hoping to find out about this.
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I thought the Tyranids had quite a lot of firepower.
I would like to point out that there are weapons that are effective against Daleks that are not OMG super awesome weapons explode everything weapons.
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Jack, Mickey, Rose, and Rose’s mom each had an energy gun that could explode a Dalek and kill it in a single shot. It wasn’t quite as powerful as a Special Weapons Dalek, which could completely destroy the entire Dalek (shell included), but these energy guns could destroy the upper “torso” and “head” of the shell as well as the actual Dalek that is housed there.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDgCaX-wm3c
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That was the Supreme Dalek too. He was larger and I assume better armored and more powerful than a regular Dalek. And while this is after Donna briliantly screwed up the Daleks with technobabble, I don’t think that played a factor here because other Daleks were destoried by these types of guns earlier in the previous episode well before Doctor Donna messed around with their systems.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfm4ewuNt28
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It is also worth mentioning that it is not always immediately fatal to be hit by a Dalek beam. The Doctor (10) was shot near the end of The Stolen Earth and survived long enough to be helped back into the Tardis where he started regenerating. Then again nobody else managed to survive a blast (that I know of anyways), and the Doctor is pretty hard to kill.
“I thought the Tyranids had quite a lot of firepower.”
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Meh, they’re quite formidable on the ground, their individual ground units are quite powerful (Carnfiex, Hive Tyrant, Zoanthrope, etc), but in space they’re fairly meh
Lol this looks like this would be an interesting match, seems to me that the Daleks would most likely win due to their fire power, I don’t think the Borg will do very much, but I do not know lots about the Tyranids, so I cannot give a decisive answer for this match but I would most likely go with the Daleks
WTF is a dalek. I’ve heard them on other threads like “lawl at anybody fighting them” but here you guys made them sound like they each individually deserve Galactus as a herald lol. I’d appreciate a link
@Primus
Big Whoniverse baddies. They’re so formidible because of their ability to utterly fuck with time and space on at least an equal footing with guys like the Xeelee. Individually, they are incredibly difficult to kill, have weapons that can oneshot most things they come across, ships that pretty well rape planets, and as a big fucking cherry on top, this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7SByM_Mctw
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Their war against another race which also had near perfect time control had a death toll of millions per second, going on for 30,000 years. They are so good with all that stuff that it is virtually impossible to eradicate them totally.
@GB
I appreciate the synopsis. Man this guys are broken. So you’d theorize they WTFPWN marvel until LT//TOAA?
I’d say Batman or Mr.Fantastic would do the job, actually, Primus. For the same reason the Doctor always wins.
@sauro
Because the plot demands it? I don’t know the good Doctor, I respect Reeds, but Batman has more plot shielding than any other character I know. I used to love him growing up (the whole “only superhero without superpowers” bit. The difference between super heroes and action heroes debate.) But as his shit got more outlandish I became more disconnected to him.
Could you expound Sauro? I lack the context to fully grasp your post. Btw good to see you again
The Doctor has the personification of Time and Life of the Whoverse using him as a pawn, and he is a walking complicated space/time event, as in he literally subconsciously influences the future by collapsing wave functions into the path that his subconscious sees as best (Camera Obscura, Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone, and some of the audios).
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The Daleks are incredibly intelligent aliens, but I will focus on the old series. Their standard invasion tactic was to invent a disease tailored to what they were going to invade, seed asteroids with it, and wait a decade or two as those asteroids fell naturally (or were nudged) and the disease wiped out its target. Then they would move in and take over, without ever really having to fight (most old series episodes pre-Genesis of the Daleks). They were also unafraid of altering their own time line, and did so during the 3rd Doctor’s run of the show. They are unafraid to wait centuries for pieces of their plan to fall into place, and often have multiple gambits running simultaneously.
About the Daleks vs Cybermen thing, does anyone recall what episode that’s from? Also in a recent comic, Cybermen beat the Borgs. The doctor went into the future to show Picard the went on to conquer star trek if they weren’t stopped. So if Daleks>cybermen and Cybermen>Borg then Dalek>Borg?
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“But as his shit got more outlandish I became more disconnected to him.”
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Because he got richer and more resources as he went on to till the reboot. Now he is just high tech meets martial artists meets detective meets tactical leader.
Now Reed, that guy is a walking Deus Ex machina factory. Man has a device for everything and if he doesn’t he is probably already working on it. Which might be genetic since his son is a mutant whose powers are a D.E.M.
@Lowk in a hat: The episode is called Doomsday, the thirteenth episode of the second series of the new Doctor Who.
@Lowk
I just think its funny that Richards can pull a machine that can destroy universes out of his ass for a sunday hobby, but the world is still at a early 21st century level. I mean, is the guy a friggin’ hoarder, why doesn’t he share that shit?!
If comic book genius shared their technology they would never have anything to do.
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Earth is being invaded?
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THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR THE FANTAS-*army takes care of it*
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Oh, okay. *goes back to watching TV*
“but the world is still at a early 21st century level.”
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Might be a little more advanced sue Tony. Which, as it happen; leads to the answer to your next question.
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“I mean, is the guy a friggin’ hoarder, why doesn’t he share that shit?!”
“but the world is still at a early 21st century level.”
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Might be a little more advanced due to Tony. Which, as it happen; leads to the answer to your next question.
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“I mean, is the guy a friggin’ hoarder, why doesn’t he share that shit?!”
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Being friends with Tony he gets to stay how disastrous that would be. Villains have upgraded using Stark’s tech. He’s even had to put tech in his tech to keep regular people from using it for shit like turning his products into high yield bombs. Which conventionally have instruction on the internet how to do.
Just for shits and giggles I calculated the death toll of the Time War on the assumption of merely 200000 deaths per second for the 30000 year duration.
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1,893,415,558,482,000,000.
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That is just shy of the 2 quintillion (10^18).
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The World’s population is roughly 7,075,466,000.
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Yeah only 267,602,947.775 times the world population for the entire war…. at a minimum.
@Lowk WITH DAT HAT, Itcheyness, Master Sarge and Primus
There’s only one faction outside of Super Robot Wars that I suspect stands a chance against the Daleks without either stomping or getting stomped all over the place.
Thing is…they debuted in the Daleks’ last match-up before this one, and Riverlia has yet to arrive before we can see whether or not we can really get the show on the road.
Deadlock or not, such a match-up might get interesting when the likes of Riverlia arrives, I’m sure.
The Jurai Empire?
@Master Sarge
That’s the same one.
Whether or not they can beat the Daleks without either stomping or getting stomped all over the place remains to be seen, and we won’t be able to see the results unless more people come by to the thread itself.
Moot point though, since Riverlia has yet to appear to the thread proper.
Meh, I had to say SOMEthing in defense of the bugs… More of a Necron player anyway. Just looked at the 5th Codex again, Necrons have a Doctor Who Proxy, Orikan the Diviner. I’ll spare most of the details unless somebody wants me to post bits, but he has an Ability called Lord of Time, his weapon is the Staff of Tomorrow(hits before he swings), and he has gone back in time to change events to suit how he wanted them to go.
Where’s the proof for Dalek gunsticks one-shotting any enemy? Tyranids can get rather large. Human-sized targets I can believe, but I haven’t seen any feats so far.
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And I’m not convinced that they’re indestructible, either. It’s their ships that really present a problem. How many do they have currently?
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Though I’ve always wondered what would happen if someone just ran behind a Dalek and pushed it over.
@Soul
Unfortunately I’m more of one of those sorts of guys that while I try to learn about some franchises as much as I can, I’ve never actually watched much of them, and thus don’t know exactly.
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You do bring up a good point. How many numbers here? Time War Daleks? Every Nid we extrapolate to exist? All da Borg? What era do we use?
“ I’m more of one of those sorts of guys that while I try to learn about some franchises as much as I can, I’ve never actually watched much of them”
-Same here, except for a few franchises I am a big fan of. I watch Doctor Who, but do not remember seeing great durability feats for the Daleks, except them being all but immune to energy weapons.
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Seeing as time travel isn’t allowed, the current number of Daleks may be quite hard to determine. What’s current? The last episode I watched was “Asylum of the Daleks” (I prefer to let episodes accumulate so I can have little marathons), and that may be a pretty good reference for their forces.
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But this should be determined. My question is, can anything their foes have take out the Dalek’s ships in the first place?
@ Primus
Obviously, intelligence, and not just genius level intelligence but the kind of clever, witty, problem solving that lends itself well to Mr.Fantastic (who has the former as well), and Batman. I don’t read the comics because, frankly, I still don’t know how they’ve survived the years with such horrendous writing. They are as bad as the rest of the pulp out there like 50 Shades of Puke Green. I do watch a lot of animated stuff, though. Richards and Wayne have the brains to be able to take on the Daleks, I believe.. however, out muscling the Daleks? It’s hard to find a good single faction contender that also isn’t just one super powerful being taking them on but a real faction with its own army and shit.
” It’s hard to find a good single faction contender that also isn’t just one super powerful being taking them on but a real faction with its own army and shit.”
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Digimon count?
@sauro
Ah ok. He out foxes them. Thanks for the clarification. I don’t know much about the who verse.
Batman doesn’t have knowledge of all the advanced technology which The Doctor routinely uses/reprograms/disrupts in clever ways, so that would definitely put a dampener on Batman’s tactics.
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Not to mention the lack of a sonic screwdriver, but hey, he’s got his utility belt.
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Did you know he bought it from the same wizard who made Mary Poppins’ bag?
“is there ANYTHING at all, that could possibly stand up to the Daleks”
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Tau’ri replicators, provided the match gave prep time before starting.
Hmm, that sounds like it could be a promising match Cananatra.
Eh, it would end with the replicators winning (unless the daleks have a ton of tech i’ve never heard of), though it wouldn’t be a stomp. Tau’ri replicators with prep time are more or less the highest you can get before you start hitting gods as far as universe matchs go. They can literally defeat entropy in the factverse.
Are they the Replicators from Stargate: Ark of Truth (or whatever it was called)? I didn’t really like the movie, so I skimmed through it. I didn’t really like either movie, though. Have’t tried to watch Destiny yet.
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I will post that match in the forums to get some good starting parameters set up, it sounds like a good one.
Yes it is. Remember though, as Tau’ri created they have access to all Tau’ri databases, which means the Asgard and Ancient databases are right on hand for those replicators.
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Destiny’s first season was utter shit. The second was starting to look good, then it got cancelled.
“Tau’ri replicators with prep time are more or less the highest you can get before you start hitting gods as far as universe matchs go. ”
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Well… that’s with making a couple leaps in logic, and even if it wasn’t, it certainly is debatable.
“Well… that’s with making a couple leaps in logic, and even if it wasn’t, it certainly is debatable.”
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Not really, even if they just build straight from whats in the database as is they can universe kill and are nigh on impossible to stamp out.
On the topic of this matchup, I would like to say that a cyberman is approximately on a par with a borg drone…say, that might be a good matchup… and the daleks were perfectly confident in 4 daleks vs. 5 million cybermen. Thus, the borg would be royally screwed. As for the ‘nids, they would have big problems. Dalek weapons one-shot humanoids. I do not know how big ‘nids get on land (since khaos said ground battle) but i doubt they could deal with sustained fire from a group of daleks. Plus, the daleks ability to hover gives them superior ability to focus-fire priority targets.
Tyranids. Borg are completely inneffective as tyranids use no technology at all so they have nothing to adapt to, daleks always have a soft spot and dont actually manage to kill many people, and the nids are just a swarm of fucking ravenous beats, they would tear the others apart.
@Ostrich160: What does that even mean, “the Daleks have a soft spot?”
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The nids lack flight, the Daleks have it. The nids don’t have ranged weaponry that is more powerful than the energy produced by re-entry velocities. That alone gives it to the Daleks.
I think he’s using plot induced stupidity as an argument.
Or the scene where they harvested humans to make the reality bomb work.
@GuardianAngel1911 Super Sayian god: THey never harvested humans, they just tested it on them.
well gathered them up to test it on them is what I meant, guess I should have worded that better.