Suggested by a.h.k.
The Necromorphs are from Dead Space, Xenos from the Alien Franchise. The fight will take place USS Enterprise-D, fully populated (minus Data), but without weapons or the main computer.
-The Xenos get a queen who is unable to leave the holodeck. To balance this out, however, she has laid 50 eggs so far, and 50 students on the ship are taking a field trip to the holodeck.
- The Necromorphs start out with the bottom 5 levels of the ship infected.
Who takes the ship from the Federation first?
Who takes the ship from their opponent first?
The Necromorphs are from the Dead Space series. Xenomorphs are from the Alien Series. With a lot of living breading materials in the location , these creatures are going to have astronomical numbers by the time this is over.
Which of these two alien species are the superior one for this battle?
Hmmmm…The relative smallness of the enterprise will make it hard for the Necros to field some of their larger beasties.
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Acid blood will do damage here, as it will begin to destroy blades and even start melting off limbs. But the Necros are also just durable enough that they might be able to take a 2:1 kill ratio, depending on how much blood they get on them at a time. Bigger guys like Brutes ought to be able to crush a few before they are taken down, and have a decent ranged ability as well.
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Many of the Necros have fairly specific needs to be created; Hunters require a living human to be infected in a certain way, and stalkers are partially built from animal bodies. Are the Necros having to start from scratch, or do they have units on hand to start with?
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Finally, how to decide who “owns” the ship. Necro wall growth moves fast enough that it will spread pretty much everywhere on the ship in a matter of days, so they will probably hold the most area on the ship.
I know its xenos vs Necromorphs, but reading the scenario Im thinking that the Enterprise would win.
Now, keeping in the spirit of the fight, early prediction for me, I’ll take Xenos to win it. I think the Acid Blood will be too much for a melee based species.
I don’t know about Necromorphs but putting 50 Facehuggers in a small ship with air ducts that can let you get to any part of the damn ship is like giving 50 candy crazed kids the keys to the room of Wonka’s factory where everything is edible. The little buggers are going to create those 50 Xeno’s no problem and web up the teacher (or does the queen have no praetorians yet?) or is the teacher counted as one of the 50? because that’s a detail that could affect how long the Xeno’s can be subtle. After those first 50 Xeno’s are out though they’ll be swarming around those vents dragging people to be face raped by the next generations. The time it takes the enterprise and don’t forget that for sure at that point there will be Praetorians. It won’t take long for the forces to be up to the task of eliminating the Necro’s
I don’t think that the melee necros will be much of a problem for the xenos. The ranged based ones(cyst, fodder, lurker, nest, puker, and spitter. Possibly the brute too, not sure though)might be more of a problem, though from what I’ve heard bout the necros, they’ll just destroy the necros(being able to lift 20 some tons and very hard exoskeleton).
ReDruM brought up a lot of good feats about the Xenos when we were debating a fight between Xeno’s and Terminators.
IIRC, Xeno warriors were about 20-30 times stronger than a person. They are very crafty, and very smart for what they are, and the Queen can direct their strategies and tactics like a General. This is very important, as in the Alien novels, Queens are as smart as the smartest human beings ever born. They were able to shred open metal doors easily, and punch clean through bulletproof glass easily. Also, if a Xeno is injured (not-fatally) it’s aware enough of it’s acid blood to use it as an offensive weapon. In AVP, a xenomorph had part of it’s tail cut off, and used the bloody wound to throw acid at a decent 20-30 feet.
Necros have the advantage of being big, and strong, but their reproductive process seems more time intensive than Xenomorphs. I think Xenomorphs could take out the Necros by out reproducing them, and then when the Xenos have a 20:1 advantage, they’ll swarm them and take them out, which is a common strategy for Xenomorphs.
Xenos Pandora also has a lot of info on them. Needs an award too but thats neither here or there. The Enterprise has at least a few nonhumans on board though, theres no telling what may happen if they get Xenomorphed.
Why in the hell are there fifty students taking a field trip during what has to be the worst time to be taking field trips?
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Eh? If that’s what the scenario says, who am I to argue?
@Hermit
Yeah, that seems a bit odd, oh five levels of the ship are infected with some strange life form feld trip time to an isolated room of the ship no one can hear your screams in.
Yeah, the people are there just as the reproductive catalyst for the Xenos/Necros, and the crew is just in this scenario for these two to fight and have a goal.
Because if the crew was actually in on this fight, I’d put my vote to the Enterprise crew. They’ve taken on worse.
The necros have the advantage that they’ve got a larger area already infected, while the Xenos just have a group of idiots on an otherwise smaller area.
The Necros would have an easier time attacking people.
Correction is highly appreciated,
I wouldn’t use the term worse but phasers Disintegrate things don’t they?
Doesn’t Necromorph stuff poison the air?
@itsburgers Yea, they have a the wheezer which does that. But it’s very easy to kill, and has no means of protecting itself. Although I think the corruption does corrupt the air as well, not sure though.
Yeah, but the Enterprise can seal off area’s and push poisons and toxins out into the vacuum of space and just keep track of the section or two that is sealed while the rest of the ship goes on with it’s routine.
And Phasers not only could disintergrate, but can be set onto a wide beam setting, so instead of a beam, it’ll have a spread more akin to a flamethrower and just sweep a room to clear out both of these guys. The crew of the Enterprise would just be too technologically advanced for these guys to deal with. I mean, look at Xenos. Say Wesley got a face hugger and got impregnated. The medical crew and technology is advanced enough to just remove the embryo way before it’s valid, and burn it as medical waste when it’s the size of a walnut. Hell, even if he got chest busted, Wesley would have more than a fair shot of surviving. They were able to bring back people from getting a hole in their chest from phaser fire. (Tapestry)
The Borg are worse than both of these guys. It’s the same sort of infection/assimilation thing, but by a species that’s technologically advanced and intellegent, along with personal sheilding.
Klingon Xeno? Or Necro’d Klingon?
Why in the hell are there fifty students taking a field trip during what has to be the worst time to be taking field trips?
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Didn’t that happen during one of their movies?
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I wouldn’t use the term worse but phasers Disintegrate things don’t they?
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No weapons or main computer. Thus no phasers. The Enterprise people are pretty much there to be breeding materials for the two sides, not a third fraction.
No weapons or main computer. Thus no phasers. The Enterprise people are pretty much there to be breeding materials for the two sides, not a third fraction.
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Yeah, the Enterprise isn’t really the Enterprise here. It’s just a breeding vessel. The OP might as well said that everyone has been lobotomized for ease of breeding. The people here are just here to be stock and arbitrary ‘goal’ for Xenos/Necros.
If the Enterprise was a full on 3rd Faction, I’d be putting my arguments for them. But because they are not, I’ve already put myself down for Xenos.
Couldn’t the crew just jettison themselves from the ship? Then neither side would have breeding materials.
They could, but the scenario calls for the Enterprise crew to work as the base material that Necros/Xenos use to make themselves.
From what I’m hearing, I’d go Xenos. They’re nasty little things that can break the laws of physics when they grow. Any melee-attack will result in a dead attacker, even if they’re successful. Unless the necros have something broken, they’re in for a lot of trouble.
@Ael
I’m inclined to agree, unless the Necros manage to spit out an Ubermorph, in which case the odds would shift.
I think the necromorphs could take over the ship faster because of the whole wall growth thing,and they have the bigger creatures i think but the xenos have the whole acid blood, speed advantage, and better breeding techniques i think.
How old are the students? Since kids younger than 15 years would only make child necros, which are absolutely useless in this scenario.
So all types of nercomorph ?
Maybe a necro-morph type-thing going on? IDK I’m just spitting ideas. tryn’a get people thinking outside the box…
Y’see…When it comes to dealing with Necromorphs, a good rule of thumb to have is to go for a perfect score. Why? Because ALL the necromorphs need to win most fights is to cause one single casualty on their opponents side. Eventually that one Xenomorph will die, and its kin will not be able to push the Necromorphs back and BAM! you now have Necro’s wearing the skin out of Xenomorhs, or NecroXeno’s sprintin and leapin around willy nilly
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Main reason why Necromorphs win? Infecters only need to stab their “syringe” into a brain. It takes, exactly, 10 seconds to become a Necromorph post Infection.
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I hereby nominate Necromorphs for the factpile award.
“Y’see…When it comes to dealing with Necromorphs, a good rule of thumb to have is to go for a perfect score. Why? Because ALL the necromorphs need to win most fights is to cause one single casualty on their opponents side. Eventually that one Xenomorph will die, and its kin will not be able to push the Necromorphs back and BAM! you now have Necro’s wearing the skin out of Xenomorhs, or NecroXeno’s sprintin and leapin around willy nilly”
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1. The Necromorphs are a disease. Xenos are immune to disease due to their genetic make-up aka they are silicone based, their status of being geneticall engineered, and their acid blood.
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2. The disease will burn up in the body.
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3. The proboscis used in the delivery of the disease has not been proven to be able to pierce the xenomorph exoskeleton.
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4. Even if it did it would melt right off.
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5. Its highly unlikely that they can gain any creatures capable of killing an adult male xeno especially with the xenos coming down their throats.
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Xenos for the FP Award.
@Re
The Blood rapidly oxidizes upon death, so it will pretty quickly become harmless. And I see no bars to the Necros being able to take the bodies then.
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Ubermorphs and Exploders are both very capable of killing Xenomorphs.
This is how fast Necromorphs can create a unit:
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4USCmcu0xgY#t=532s
Any Xeno embryo inside the body won’t survive after the body is like that, it will just be thrown out.
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The Necros have a better reproduction method, it’s just a matter of time till they create tentacle monsters that can crush the Enterprise and tentacle rape anybody inside, not even the acid blood will do anything to such a huge monster.
Oh and the Necromorphs don’t need living material reproduce.
There’s also those Xenomorphs with insane regeneration, it required to instant disintegration in order to put them down, the Xeno blood won’t take out more than what they can regenerate.
Hell, they regenerate almost as fast as Alex mercer.
“The Blood rapidly oxidizes upon death, so it will pretty quickly become harmless. And I see no bars to the Necros being able to take the bodies then.”
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1. Problem with that is is that once again the Xenos are genetically engineered. Thus there is no proof that the Necromorph virus can even effect them. And since no Virus in the Aliens series I’m inclined to go with no unless proven otherwise.
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2. Oxidation takes time. Time they don’t have.
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3. Prove their blood oxidizes in the same way carbon based life forms with blood that doesn’t melt through layers upon layers of solid titanium.
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“Ubermorphs and Exploders are both very capable of killing Xenomorphs.”
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They are. However your common Necromorphs aka The main portion of what will be in this match lack this ability. And the ones that do will get swarmed by creatures of superior speed, strength, intellect, and durability.
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“This is how fast Necromorphs can create a unit:
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4USCmcu0xgY#t=532s
Any Xeno embryo inside the body won’t survive after the body is like that, it will just be thrown out.”
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You’re stupid. Xenos drag humans back to the main hive for impregnation. Meaning that the Necromorphs have to break through their lines and defeat the Queen and her Royal Guard the Praetorians. And a Praetorian is strong enough to lift a 70 ton APC.
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“There’s also those Xenomorphs with insane regeneration, it required to instant disintegration in order to put them down, the Xeno blood won’t take out more than what they can regenerate.
Hell, they regenerate almost as fast as Alex mercer.”
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1. They regenerate nowhere near as fast as Alex Mercer.
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2. That was a 1 of a kind Necromorph Biologically re-engineered by Dr. Mercer in the first game. Thus it is not in this match obviously.
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3. You do realize the Xeno exoskeleton is pressurized. Once the outer exoskeleton is punctured, you know when The Hunter rams a big claw into it, its blood squirts out like a fire hose. 1 drop is enough to melt through to the 4 decks of titanium. 1 drop was enough to take a man’s arm completely off. A shower of it was able to turn a man to goo. Plus you do realize they can spit the shit right?
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Once again Xeno’s for the win.
I’m all for xenos for the win, but I’m not particularly knowledgabele on either side, so maybe some of my questions/comments are off, but still…
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everybody taken by the necros is useless to the xenos for reproduction, right? whereas if the necros can reach the area where hosts are stored, their bodies could still be used by the necros, couldn’t they? And as I recall from Aliens, those bodies aren’t necessarily stored particularly close to the queen in the hive. Also, won’t the necros have some sort of extreme paranoia or something directly associated with their presence, or is that just the marker?
The proboscis of the infector for the Necromorph doesn’t ‘infect’ actually. Its actually simply rewriting the DNA of whatever its turning.
If a Necromorph slasher can slash through the hull of a space ship, don’t gimme that hyperbole about them not being able to cut through a Xeno –_–
Since the Enterprise crew is being heavily nerfed, although they don’t actually need weapons or main computer control to purge the ship – remember, this is Star Trek, they can improvise shit out of their ass, and do so regularly …
I’d go with the Xenos.
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As a side note, presumably the Enterprise crew doesn’t really want either side to win, correct? They can initiate saucer separation procedures, Necromorphs get left behind in the engineering section (to be vented to space/destroyed), while the Xenos would, I believe, be in the saucer section … along with most of the ship’s population.
Why are we debating the happenings of the Crew? I thought they had nothing to do with this- at all? Cuz if thats the case, Star Trek wins.
This match, is kinda set up weird.
What if the xenos face rapped wharf i wonder what that xeno would look like.
all that had to be done to nerf the crew was to say it was a training mission with nothing but redshirts. Give them the best equipment starfleet has to offer and they’ll still prove to be nothing more than fodder for the 2 factions of import in this scenario.
Also, i think evehntually most of the people the entities in this match(Crew members, Aliens and Necros) would eventually get spaced from the sheer amount of alien blood being shed in every direction…
Soo…
Yea
“The proboscis of the infector for the Necromorph doesn’t ‘infect’ actually. Its actually simply rewriting the DNA of whatever its turning.”
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Doesn’t matter.
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“If a Necromorph slasher can slash through the hull of a space ship, don’t gimme that hyperbole about them not being able to cut through a Xeno –_–”
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1. I never witnessed a slasher coming straight through the wall. Door maybe but never a wall. Unless you can show me this.
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2. Never said that they couldn’t get through the armor and I dare you to quote me. I said the Xenos in general are better armored and thus can take more hits then your mook Necromorph.
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“Also, i think evehntually most of the people the entities in this match(Crew members, Aliens and Necros) would eventually get spaced from the sheer amount of alien blood being shed in every direction…
Soo…
Yea”
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Eventually but the match won’t end. Neither the Necros nor the Xeno will die.
Also lets not forget Xenos are low level bullet timers. Just though I’d throw that in there.
Well, as a Xenomorph addict I’ll have to go with them, I don’t know anything about the Necromorphs since I never played Dead Space, but I did some reading and I saw that the only viable forms that Necro’s will be able to take would be the brutes and their ‘normal’ forms. The Xenomorphs will be the same, so that means it’ll be praetorians and warriors Vs Normal Necromorph and Brute. Now, let’s face it, a warrior xenomorph is faster, stronger, and smarter. Once the first one sees that a necromorph doesn’t die from a tail in its gut, well, it’ll move away and think, but once a necromorph does die be it from the acid blood or from being ripped apart in some fashion, well, the xenomorph’s will start doing that.
Alright, clarification here…
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the Necromorphs are NOT a ‘disease’. They are a massive genetic mutation within the brain, Infectors rewrite DNA. It changes the body and mind to what the Marker wishes it to be. Xenomorphs are not immune to genetic manipulation.
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There are women on deck, so spitters will be viable to create as well as pukers.
Slasher forms, by themselves, are powerful enough to rip open metal doors with just their blades. And that’s not even the advanced Slasher.
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Problem here for the Xeno’s is that once all the crew has died, they wont be able to reproduce anymore. While each new body the Xenomorphs create (they will create bodies by just hatching their eggs, and baby Xeno’s take hours to become drones/Warriors anyways) the Necro’s also gain enough flesh and tissue to create powerful forms that can be made, remade, and remade again as long as they collect it.
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The wall growth itself is living, and pollutes the air as it travels at a amazing rate through the ship. Killing more potential hosts for the Xeno’s.
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Slasher’s are almost wild, and will attack anything living with a fury unattainable by even Xeno’s. Normal slashers will have troubles in taking damage, but it’s been shown before that an infector can create the advanced Slasher as well.
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With the bottom 5 floors infected, they can start creating tripod hives and start building up their stronger Morphs while the Xeno’s work on trying to infect people.
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But, there’s one problem in this match… without the Marker the Necromorphs will just be a puddle of human DNA and mass.
“the Necromorphs are NOT a ‘disease’. They are a massive genetic mutation within the brain, Infectors rewrite DNA. It changes the body and mind to what the Marker wishes it to be. Xenomorphs are not immune to genetic manipulation.”
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The Xenos are gentically engineered to be immune to all forms of tampering. Besides that you haven’t proven that the necromorphs can interact with Xenomorph DNA which is silicone based. Thus until you prove that it won’t happen.
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“Problem here for the Xeno’s is that once all the crew has died, they wont be able to reproduce anymore. While each new body the Xenomorphs create (they will create bodies by just hatching their eggs, and baby Xeno’s take hours to become drones/Warriors anyways) the Necro’s also gain enough flesh and tissue to create powerful forms that can be made, remade, and remade again as long as they collect it.”
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Man to man Xenomorphs are the superior combatants. Once the hive is established they will get access to Praetorians. Once that happens the Necromorphs stand no chance.
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“The wall growth itself is living, and pollutes the air as it travels at a amazing rate through the ship. Killing more potential hosts for the Xeno’s.”
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The growth spreads with Necromorph control. If the Necros don’t have control of an area then the creep doesn’t spread at that fast of a rate.
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“Slasher’s are almost wild, and will attack anything living with a fury unattainable by even Xeno’s. Normal slashers will have troubles in taking damage, but it’s been shown before that an infector can create the advanced Slasher as well.”
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Bullshit. Xenos can rip through solid titanium blast doors and are low level bullet timers. They outclass the slashers in strength, speed, durability, and intelligence.
“ This is very important, as in the Alien novels, Queens are as smart as the smartest human beings ever born. “
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That is a sweeping statement that is not accurate. There was a quote posted with the scene where the superintellegent queen was featured in the thread that pits terminators, xenos, and zombies against each other and from it it was obvious that the character was totally shocked to find a queen that intelligent. That does not support the notion that all queens are super genius level intelligent, especially in light of all the movie evidence that shows they are probably smarter than monkeys and cunning enough in their own way but probably not up to human level of intelligence.
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“ Yeah, the people are there just as the reproductive catalyst for the Xenos/Necros, and the crew is just in this scenario for these two to fight and have a goal.
Because if the crew was actually in on this fight, I’d put my vote to the Enterprise crew. They’ve taken on worse. “
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Exactly. There is no way either side could remain undetected on Ent-D long enough to get much of a foothold and between weapons that on their high power settings would completely disintegrate the things without splashing acid blood around and the transporters to dump them off the ship remotely and move personnel around the invaders would not stand much of a chance. If by some incredible PIS they did manage to get as far as the scenario start then evacuating anyone trapped on those levels into quarantine by transporter and depressurizing the decks would take care of anything that breathes and then it would be a simple case of mopping up the non-breathing ones with transporters, phasers, or some kind of radiation discharge. While putting the combatants in a setting from some third universe is all well and good, putting them in one that would kill them and completely disrupt or abort the scenario is very bad scenario planning indeed.
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No weapons or main computer. Thus no phasers. The Enterprise people are pretty much there to be breeding materials for the two sides, not a third fraction. “
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That is exactly what I mean by bad scenario design. The only way the scenario could work would be by incredible amounts of PIS and other brute force restrictions. Simply taking away their phasers and access to the computers would not be sufficient to make it work. Replacing the entire crew with Packlead or some primitives who never saw Federation tech would literally be the only way to make this scenario anywhere near possible.
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“ “Also, i think evehntually most of the people the entities in this match(Crew members, Aliens and Necros) would eventually get spaced from the sheer amount of alien blood being shed in every direction…
Soo…
Yea” “
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Actually the structural integrity fields would prevent that from happening, unless the acid is being wanked in some comic or novel to the point where it eats holes in forcefields now. If they were actually taking the ship over that inexorably what would eventually kill them is the self destruct or damage to the power systems that results in a core breach.
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“ the Necromorphs are NOT a ‘disease’. They are a massive genetic mutation within the brain, Infectors rewrite DNA. It changes the body and mind to what the Marker wishes it to be. Xenomorphs are not immune to genetic manipulation. “
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You realize that is pretty much the definition of a virus don’t you?
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“ Slasher forms, by themselves, are powerful enough to rip open metal doors with just their blades. “
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The problem with that being done on a large scale by either side is that while the regular walls would not be that big of a problem the sectional bulkheads if breached will be closed off with a structural integrity field, and unlike the borg neither side has the tech to keep that from happening nor the intelligence to override it.
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“If by some incredible PIS they did manage to get as far as the scenario start then evacuating anyone trapped on those levels into quarantine by transporter and depressurizing the decks would take care of anything that breathes and then it would be a simple case of mopping up the non-breathing ones with transporters, phasers, or some kind of radiation discharge.”
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Problem with this scenario is none of these combatants need to breath. The Xenomorphs can survive for years with no food and no air and the Necromorphs are dead. This is seen in Deadspace 3 in which you will be fighting hundreds of years old necromorphs in a derelict ship.
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” Problem with this scenario is none of these combatants need to breath. The Xenomorphs can survive for years with no food and no air and the Necromorphs are dead. This is seen in Deadspace 3 in which you will be fighting hundreds of years old necromorphs in a derelict ship. ”
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That would make it a little harder to get rid of them, true. It would at least stop airborne contaminants though, and the SI fields would probably be harder the monsters to get through going from vacuum to pressurized areas too.
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Of course, since Enterprise and a few other ships kept running into plague-ridden dead ships general order 6 started being inforced which would cause the ship to self destruct 24 hours after the last of the crew died.
“The growth spreads with Necromorph control. If the Necros don’t have control of an area then the creep doesn’t spread at that fast of a rate.”
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That’s completely untrue, during Dead Space: Extraction, a log stated that the Wall growth was building up in the giant underground air vents. Growing miles at a time in only a day’s time (faster than the crew could burn it) without the presence of any sort of Necromorphs.
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“Man to man Xenomorphs are the superior combatants. Once the hive is established they will get access to Praetorians. Once that happens the Necromorphs stand no chance.”
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While true to some extent, there will be many more Necromorphs before the hive even has a chance to set up. It’ll take many hours for the first 50 drones to hatch, then many more for their next batch, all the while the Necromorphs are creating Morphs within 10 seconds of each other (multiply that by however many infectors there are) and in less than an hour you have a minimum of 600 Necromorphs (with perhaps 1-5 Infectors and with little downtime between infections).
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They’ll easily be able to make up for the Xeno’s superior claws quite easily. And will be able to storm the hive way before they are ready.
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Then, as the game progresses, the Necromorphs will be able to pile together bodies to create far more powerful forms such as Tripods or even a Tormentor (bigger, armored tripod able to withstand attacks from a gunship and crash through (some sort of metal, supposedly steel or something used for the space station) bars and walls without taking a breather or slowing. Or go a step further and create Drag tentacle’s and maybe a Leviathen. Drag tentacle’s would be able to keep a Praetorian held down long enough for it to be hit or even try and toss it through an airlock and the Leviathen is big enough to crush most anything.
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And, once again, I doubt the Xenomorphs will be able to produce fast enough to make the troops they need to hold back the Necromorphs faster infection rate.
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Will need proof on the low-level bullet timers. Whenever I saw them they were either sneaking around or getting blasted by the Marines.
“While true to some extent, there will be many more Necromorphs before the hive even has a chance to set up. It’ll take many hours for the first 50 drones to hatch, then many more for their next batch, all the while the Necromorphs are creating Morphs within 10 seconds of each other (multiply that by however many infectors there are) and in less than an hour you have a minimum of 600 Necromorphs (with perhaps 1-5 Infectors and with little downtime between infections).”
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You don’t seem to get it. Once the Praetorians are in play the match is over. They are bulletproof, 10ft tall killing machines with the strength to flip 70 ton APC. They’ll tear the necromorphs to pieces and their isn’t a single necromorph in play in current canon that can stop them.
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“Then, as the game progresses, the Necromorphs will be able to pile together bodies to create far more powerful forms such as Tripods or even a Tormentor (bigger, armored tripod able to withstand attacks from a gunship and crash through (some sort of metal, supposedly steel or something used for the space station) bars and walls without taking a breather or slowing. Or go a step further and create Drag tentacle’s and maybe a Leviathen. Drag tentacle’s would be able to keep a Praetorian held down long enough for it to be hit or even try and toss it through an airlock and the Leviathen is big enough to crush most anything.”
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1. Once again the Praetorian can lift 70 tons. Unless you have evidence of them holding down something that strong its not happening.
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2. Once they get in the hive, if they can get to it, they have to deal with the queen in which unless they have anti-tank weaponry is not happening. I’m talking weaponry designed to split a fucking titanium heavy tank in half.
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Thus I’m still not seeing a necromorph victory.
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Will need proof on the low-level bullet timers. Whenever I saw them they were either sneaking around or getting blasted by the Marines.
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It is seen here at 106:00
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www.putlocker.com/file/C8UO5513TMGWW48#
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You can see him weaving in between the shots. Its wasn’t until Johner fired at a higher rate was he unable to keep up. And no those aren’t laser or particle beam weapons cause they pop out shell casings.
“It is seen here at 106:00
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www.putlocker.com/file/C8UO5513TMGWW48#
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You can see him weaving in between the shots. Its wasn’t until Johner fired at a higher rate was he unable to keep up. And no those aren’t laser or particle beam weapons cause they pop out shell casings.”
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All I saw at 106 was a bunch of explosions in the hive and the people underwater escaping from an Alien.
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“You don’t seem to get it. Once the Praetorians are in play the match is over. They are bulletproof, 10ft tall killing machines with the strength to flip 70 ton APC. They’ll tear the necromorphs to pieces and their isn’t a single necromorph in play in current canon that can stop them”.
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You don’t get it, do you, their not going to GET Praetorians. The QUeens first batch of eggs will be drones, considering if they follow regular hive protocal, and even then they’re going to take HOURS. Hours that the Necromorphs are using to infect the entire ship while the Xeno’s are still waiting for their first batch of eggs to hatch.
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What are the Requirements of the Praetorian’s anyways? I hear some Aliens take certain requirements to build (flyers take an animal species and such). I’ve never once heard of a Praetorian hatching from a human.
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2. Once they get in the hive, if they can get to it, they have to deal with the queen in which unless they have anti-tank weaponry is not happening. I’m talking weaponry designed to split a fucking titanium heavy tank in half.”
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Alright, lets be honest here… The Necromorphs are going to have a SEVERE advantage with greater numbers. The Xeno’s may barely get their second batch of eggs hatched before the Necromorphs have swarmed the entire Enterprise.
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It doesn’t matter how tough something is, or how powerful something is… The Swarm strategy negates their strength and speed and toughness with sheer bodymass and flailing limbs.
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Necromorph claws casually cut through steel. With hundreds and hundreds of these scratching at your door their going to wear it down. If they cant kill it they’ll tire out the queen and eventually carve through the carapace by wearing it out.
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Mix that in with exploders and you got yourself a fighting force.
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Once the hive is stormed (which it will be because the Xeno’s will barely be able to push out their borders with MAYBE 50 Xeno’s if they can grow before the Necro’s have taken the damn place) The Queen wont be able to make anymore Xeno’s because her egg’s (another factor, the Queen can either be a Birthing unit or a combat. not both. Once she get’s up to fight they wont be able to make more Facehuggers) will be destroyed in the process and her unit widdled down until it’s only her left. Then it’s just a game of ‘how long will she survive?”
” Then it’s just a game of ‘how long will she survive?” ”
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Going by the events you describe the queen would last just a few hours at most, then die along with the necromorphs in a tremendous antimatter explosion as the ship itself carries out general order 6 and self destructs.
“All I saw at 106 was a bunch of explosions in the hive and the people underwater escaping from an Alien.”
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Obviously its a little further then that watch the entire scene.
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“You don’t get it, do you, their not going to GET Praetorians. The QUeens first batch of eggs will be drones, considering if they follow regular hive protocal, and even then they’re going to take HOURS. Hours that the Necromorphs are using to infect the entire ship while the Xeno’s are still waiting for their first batch of eggs to hatch.”
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1. And what is regular hive protocol? Oh that’s right you’re talking out your ass cause you don’t know if you don’t even know how a praetorian is created. They already have drones available thus Warriors and 2 Praetorian are next.
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2. Time between hating varies. AvP had chestbursters bursting in under an hour and they matured much faster. So yeah.
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“What are the Requirements of the Praetorian’s anyways? I hear some Aliens take certain requirements to build (flyers take an animal species and such). I’ve never once heard of a Praetorian hatching from a human.”
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You’re a fucking idiot for arguing something which you don’t know. There 2 ways to make a Praetorian. The first is the queen selects the brightest and strongest of her warriors and he molts into a Praetorian via consuming Royal Jelly. The second is they are born, yes from a human you dumb bastard since animals create Xenos with animalistic traits from which they are born, Praetorians.
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“Alright, lets be honest here… The Necromorphs are going to have a SEVERE advantage with greater numbers. The Xeno’s may barely get their second batch of eggs hatched before the Necromorphs have swarmed the entire Enterprise.”
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First off they have to locate the humans first before the Xenos do. Not going to happen due to the Xenomorph hyper-senses.
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“It doesn’t matter how tough something is, or how powerful something is… The Swarm strategy negates their strength and speed and toughness with sheer bodymass and flailing limbs.”
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Not how this works. “The Swarm” as you put have zero ways to take down the queen. She can kill them all herself.
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“Necromorph claws casually cut through steel. With hundreds and hundreds of these scratching at your door their going to wear it down. If they cant kill it they’ll tire out the queen and eventually carve through the carapace by wearing it out.”
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1. Show me the xenos tearing apart a Titanium tank cause that is what the queen is the equivalent of. She requires anti-tank weaponry to put down. So show me the Necros destroying a tank and I’ll believe you.
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2. Xenomorphs don’t tire. They can go for years without food, water, or air. That’s how they were designed.
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“Then it’s just a game of ‘how long will she survive?””
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Once again she can kill them all if she so chooses. She doesn’t even need her warriors. 50-100ft tall. The ability to lift over 150 tons since she is at least twice the strength of a Praetorian who can flip tanks and ram APCs onto their side. An IQ of 185 meaning she’s the smartest player in the game. The ability to manipulate human technology. A hide that is completely bullet proof only being taken down by Phased Plasma Cannons and Rail Guns. Yeah that sounds about right.
Listen, chill… so I didn’t have time to look something up and I asked you.
Seriously, chill out.
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One, the queen has no access to drones until she hatches them. She has 50 eggs of facehuggers ready, nothing more. The group travelling in is supposed to be the fodder for her very first batch of Xenomorphs.
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The necromorphs have infected the lowest 5 levels of the deck, which means they have access to corruption and infectors.
It’s all in the description bro,
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And you just admitted to hive protocal being correct. So her first batch of eggs will be mostly drones. Warriors would come next.
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Obviously you have no idea what your talking about. AvP is non-canon for both series. Watch the alien movies, it takes a VERY long time for aliens to first be implanted, then gestate, then chestburst, then mature. Hours that the necromorphs are using to turn the crew into mutant alien zombie things.
Even a Tormentor took less than 30 minutes to fully armor up, and they can create dozens of these along with tri-pods.
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Also, thanks to dead space 3 demo, the small divider heads can take control of humans and use guns. Which means phaser’s for the necromorphs.
Unless there’s some sort of recognition thing on them I don’t know about.
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Also, please stop talking shit. Your not helping yourself.
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Necromorphs have their own senses, they can detect a living being through multiple walls and at long distances (thanks to the multiplayer of DS2 we know how they see things)
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They are also fast, and like xeno’s use ventilation shafts and other tricks to ambush and swarm their targets.
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Even steel can be grated away if enough wear and tear is out onto it. Something biological is not free from this unless it can regenrate. Eventually necromorph claws will cut through the carapace of a queen, and they can doso to the lesser xeno’s too. They have nearly unlimited resources, able to use body parts and ANY bio-matter to creatr a new necro.
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Xeno’s MUST have a living being in order to make more xeno’s. By the time the queens second batch of chestbursters have implanted eggs, the necro’s will be knocking down their door, nearly the entire crew dead (with some stragglers) and hundreds upon hundreds of necro’s.
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How big is the enterprise anywho? How big a crew?
I’ll look it up.
somewhere around 1200 ppl on the Enterprise D
time is not on the side of the Xenos. Love ‘em, but not sure if they could pull it off.
People seem to be forgetting the acid blood Xenos have, not to mention the VARIOUS types of Xenomorphs. Some xenomorphs can also spit acid, you know.
Dammit, sorry about that. My tabket wigged out on me.
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@vulnus
No, we are nit forgetting about them. It’s just that the xenomorph queen cannot lay enou eggs, implant them in enough bodies, and hatch them, then grow them in time.
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By the time they get their second batch if eggs implanted the necromorphs will be literally knocking down their door. They have a faster infection process by a lit. Every ten seconds there can be a new necromorph.
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The acid blood is trouble, yes, and more potent than necro acid. But the sheer numbers of what is left when onky a couple will get the blood on them.
Another problem is that necromorphs don’t need full bodies to produce necro’s. They just need any sort of bio-mass.
I don’t know much about mecromorphs, but I think xenos would win because facehuggers can kill necros and so could make necroaliens. If there are the new Zeno variants from colonial marines they couldn’t lose because they have crushers that are almost invincible. They also can ambush from the air vents and have acid blood. Just like in AvP, Xenos can sacrifice each other to kill multiple necros
I don’t know much about necromorphs, but I think xenos would win because face huggers can kill necros and so could make necroaliens. If there are the new Zeno variants from colonial marines they couldn’t lose because they have crushers that are almost invincible. They also can ambush from the air vents and have acid blood. Just like in AvP, Xenos can sacrifice each other to kill multiple necros
Can the xenomorphs impregnate necros.
there’s not even a huge thread.. you cpulda read some of it.
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but no, xenomorphs cannot impregnate necromorphs. Necromorphs are nothing but dead flesh and muscle, there’s nothing to sustain a live-chestburster.
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Necromorphs have literally unkillable enemies. And in bulk thanks to DS3.
Regenerators. Those guys can be sliced apart again and again and again but always get back up with new limbs and pieces.
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Plus, necromorphs can use divider heads to take over the bodies of the crew and use their phasers against the xenomorphs. This means easy win without the rest of them. Xenomorohs just can’t keep up with a necromorph infection speed.
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Every ten seconds (less with the swarm) a new necromorph is made from a dead body. With some simple math, that means six or more per second, per infector.
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Xenomorphs take hours at minimum to create simple drones. And by the time the queen gets the first 50 drones, the necromorphs will have taken the entirety of the ship (more or less)
Wow, this battle just kind of laid down and died…
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@Draco
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Plus, necromorphs can use divider heads to take over the bodies of the crew and use their phasers against the xenomorphs. This means easy win without the rest of them. Xenomorohs just can’t keep up with a necromorph infection speed.
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While I do not argue anything about the divider heads weapons are not available in this battle as per the description:
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The fight will take place USS Enterprise-D, fully populated (minus Data), but without weapons or the main computer.
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I am arguing for neither side here just clarifying this.
@Vergil
fair enough.
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but yeah, this kinda laid down and died though it would have been a good match.
@Draco
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fair enough.
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but yeah, this kinda laid down and died though it would have been a good match.
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Agreed, although I don’t really care for the Necromorphs (Interesting concept but an overused idea) I do enjoy the Xenos. No idea who I would support here although the Xenos have shown some pretty good stuff (Silicon based organisms and such)… Anyway this debate is long dead so there is no real point in debating here.
if people would come back it would be more interesting.
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everythings used a lot. but the Necro’s have some good, interesting quirks.
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Also, in DS 3 (spoiler) they infected a foreign alien race and caused pretty much the rest of the galaxy’s and further’s extinction.
i believe they would win due to their faster infection rate and use of biomass.
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but yeah, it isnt fun to debate unless there’s others
Heh, kinda similar to the Galactic Empire vs. Forerunners debate.
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Production rate FTW!
yeah, Necromorphs would have the whole ship under their control before the first few hours are up. Xenomorphs take hours to hatch their babies in living bodies, and hours more for them to grow up.
Thats pretty much what I figured. The problem for the Xeno’s, and this is why I hate it when people are like “They will drag the humans to the hive!”, is that by the time they could possibly hatch the Necro’s will have taken ever available human, and already started storming the hive.
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Sure, if they managed to get some of their stronger Xeno’s out there they would stomp. But they have no chance. It’s also like the Tau vs. Halo match. Halo won because they could SEVERLY outmaneuver the Tau. By the time the Tau realized all their planets where destroyed, they would have lost. Same with the Xeno’s.