GuardianAngel1911
September 24, 2012 at 8:11 am - #2
Kind of depends, if the Yu-Gi-Oh monsters are free of the cards and can work of their own accord there is some serious firepower that can be spammed and possibly wipe out most of the Pokemon.
If that is the case this fight likely comes down to the god tier creatures and I don’t even know where to begin there.
If the Yu-Gi-Oh monsters are bound to the cards things become more difficult for them, the Pokemon need only attack the humans on the Yu-Gi-Oh side to disable small armies of potentially devastating monsters.
Soulerous
September 24, 2012 at 8:18 am - #3
Pokemon has some very heavy hitters. While I know the same can be said of Yu-Gi-Oh, I don’t know much else except that the main character has weird hair. I’ll wait to see what is brought up, but I will also be the first to mention the Legendary pokemon.
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And I must ask, what mediums are allowed for support of Pokemon? Anime, movies, comics, games?
GuardianAngel1911
September 24, 2012 at 8:42 am - #4
yeah legendary pokemon are going to be a major asset for the Pokemon side, and there are several things that need to specified so we can debate and know what we can and can’t assume about the fight.
Sauroposeidon
September 24, 2012 at 8:46 am - #5
…Who is polloloko?
Soulerous
September 24, 2012 at 8:47 am - #6
“Who is polloloko?”
-Well, I think he’s new, but he’s been suggesting quite a few matches. I think his face is brown.
GuardianAngel1911
September 24, 2012 at 8:50 am - #7
yeah he’s suggested and debated on a couple of matches, not many but he’s there if you look.
Anyone else not seeing the image?
StealthRanger
September 24, 2012 at 8:50 am - #8
Yeah, image isn’t working for me either
Doughiest Treat
September 24, 2012 at 9:04 am - #9
I absolutely hate Yu-Gi-Oh in every way. So I’ll give it to Pokemon due to pure spite.
Type-Fallstar
September 24, 2012 at 9:07 am - #10
iirc the egyptian god cards are actual gods (seen in yugioh millenium world) but i cant recall how strong they are
GuardianAngel1911
September 24, 2012 at 9:11 am - #11
if we go into the GX and 5D’s (I know not liked exactly) and other tv seasons then there are even more god monsters to utilize, again though the problem is how strong are they.
GuardianAngel1911
September 24, 2012 at 9:17 am - #12
if we go with just monsters then Yu-Gi-Oh monsters definitely have an average firepower advantage, the non legendary Pokemon are going to be blasted away by the stronger monsters like Blue Eyes White Dragon, Black Luster Soldier, Dark Magician etc. there’s a size gap with some monsters compared to pokemon as well.
Private Khaos
September 24, 2012 at 10:17 am - #13
Arceus used Judgement. Palkia used Spacial Rend. Dialga used Roar of Time. What else do I need to mention?
Proto-Mind
September 24, 2012 at 10:20 am - #14
I enjoyed the original Yu-Gi-Oh. The Egyptian theme drew me in. Anyway, what about Exodia or Obelisk?
Private Khaos
September 24, 2012 at 10:21 am - #15
Also we have non legendaries that kick ass too like Dragonite, Gyrados, Mamoswine, Rampardos, hm what else oh Lucario, Buffolant can derail a rain with one charge. Then we have Mewtwo who could of destroyed the planet by moving his freakin wrist. That will help a lot. Mewtwo is actually considered equal to the god Pokemon.
Private Khaos
September 24, 2012 at 10:25 am - #16
I think I could do this all day
Proto-Mind
September 24, 2012 at 10:35 am - #17
Reliquished was one of my favorite cards. It was just so interesting. No Atk or Def, and here’s what the description said.
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“Select 1 monster on your opponent’s side of the field and equip it to this card (this effect can only be used once per turn and you can only equip 1 monster at a time to this card). The ATK and DEF of this card become the same amounts as the monster equipped to this card. If this card is destroyed as a result of battle, the equipped monster is destroyed instead, and any battle damage you received from the battle is also inflicted to your opponent’s Life Points.”
Proto-Mind
September 24, 2012 at 10:37 am - #18
Gosh, I miss watching these shows. I grew up watching both. T-T Nostalgia.
orber
September 24, 2012 at 10:47 am - #19
Isn’t the fact that YGO is riddled with gameplay mechanics a bit troubling?PKMN atleast has a anime where the PKMN move outside of the gamemechanics etc etc but the beings of YGO are all limited to the rules of the cards.
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Granted I only watched the original.
Type-Fallstar
September 24, 2012 at 10:53 am - #20
“Isn’t the fact that YGO is riddled with gameplay mechanics a bit troubling?”
i agree with you
some of the cards have actual showings of power in the manga
as do charachters and monsters from other games
but i dont feel like routing through 5 or 6 different manga to find them
GuardianAngel1911
September 24, 2012 at 11:01 am - #21
Most seasons had episodes that seemed to show the monsters as simply bound by the cards by some magic means but could be wrong
Amm0vamp1r3
September 24, 2012 at 11:38 am - #22
doesnt yu gi oh have cards that kill everyone on the field and black holes and what not
Envoy
September 24, 2012 at 11:40 am - #23
Most mosters have no feats, like at all. High tiers like Exodia and the Egyptian Gods are less then city level in power and magical ability, going by their fight with Zorc.
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I don’t know of a single planetary level monster.
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Current manga’s are spin offs of the anime, and are only really the same in name. The animes are spin off series to the original yugioh (with Yugi) that anime itself is an adaptation of the manga. The Video games are the same as the mangas in that they have nothing to do with anything.
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Wut do?
ka-tet19
September 24, 2012 at 1:27 pm - #24
well as much as i think pokemon can beat yu-gi-oh their is one major problem “oh no giant exodia monster capable of destroying powerful creatures? PIKACHU I CHOOSE YOU!” ash never uses his strongest pokemon lol
Shgon Dunstan
September 24, 2012 at 2:03 pm - #25
@ka-tet19
“well as much as i think pokemon can beat yu-gi-oh their is one major problem “oh no giant exodia monster capable of destroying powerful creatures? PIKACHU I CHOOSE YOU!” ash never uses his strongest pokemon lol”
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While true, the OP doesn’t say which pokemon verse, so maybe we’re dealing with Red rather then Ash.
GuardianAngel1911
September 24, 2012 at 2:11 pm - #26
If Ash’s Pikachu actually collectively had all its experience it would pimp smack legendaries
Shgon Dunstan
September 24, 2012 at 2:14 pm - #27
@GuardianAngel1911
“If Ash’s Pikachu actually collectively had all its experience it would pimp smack legendaries”
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Also vary, vary, VARY true.
GuardianAngel1911
September 24, 2012 at 2:26 pm - #28
How Ash’s recent gym battles should have gone
Ash: Pikachu Thunderbolt *Pikachu vaporizes half the gym and the half fried gym leader just drops the badge.*
Shgon Dunstan
September 24, 2012 at 2:38 pm - #29
@GuardianAngel1911
“How Ash’s recent gym battles should have gone
Ash: Pikachu Thunderbolt *Pikachu vaporizes half the gym and the half fried gym leader just drops the badge.*”
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Ash would be a Master by now, if he actually, you know.. DID HIS FUCKING JOB!!!
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But no, every time any of his pokemon start to show real power, he ether A. leaves them at Professor Oak’s, or just up and gives them away so that they can be trained to be powerful…. You know, what he, the pokemon TRAINER, is supposed to be doing HIMSELF……
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If he really thinks that they need more instinctive training in something, then it’s his job to stop trying to get badges for a while, and bloody well train them himself.
ka-tet19
September 24, 2012 at 3:02 pm - #30
ash is kinda a douche when you think about it. could you imagine being an ash pokemon? as soon as you get powerful he abandons you at professor oaks or some other ridiculous place
Hac148
September 24, 2012 at 3:05 pm - #31
a couple things that may need specification:
although it has already been questioned, what state are yu-gi-oh monsters in?
for pokemon, are we using one of every pokemon, or are we going by the game/anime/manga where there are multiples of everything but legendaries?
for once, the pokemon universes ridiculous amount of “legendary” pokemon in recent years may actually work to their advantage. pokemon have advantage in sheer number if we are allowing worlds rules, ie: multiple pokemon of non-legendary status, and iirc, a few token legendaries may even have multiple.
Hac148
September 24, 2012 at 3:06 pm - #32
Red >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ash
Rhododendron
September 24, 2012 at 5:39 pm - #33
yu gi oh>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>pokemon. WAY too many hax…..way too many.
Also, considering that in terms of overall power levels, Digimon>>>Yu-gi-Oh>>>Pokemon when we’re talking individually speaking with all sides having full access to their powers, IBs with the YGO side for the most part, actually.
@Polloloko
Yeah no you have no argument to beat mine.
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Their are way too many hax: yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Ray_%26_Temperature =1000+ atk points=star buster lol,blue eyes shining,exodia necros,exodia,gerifried,man eater bug the egyptian god cards etc etc. need i go on?
Well let’s see if we take Yu-Gi-Oh lore into account by using the descriptions from Normal monster then even crappy monsters are more powerful then most Pokemon. Then There is the fact that almost all cards are apart of a story and the fact that Yu Gi Oh in terms of the card game is a multiverse. I mean the Duel Terminal World is just a Universe filled with crazy hax monsters.
I forgot, Yugi-Oh will not be able to use magic and trap cards.
Rhododendron
September 24, 2012 at 6:17 pm - #42
@The King of Heroes
“Yu-Gi-Oh lore into account by using the descriptions from Normal monster then even crappy monsters are more powerful then most Pokemon”
——- yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Ray_%26_Temperature
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^By description the sun and wind working together only have 1000 atk points.
Rhododendron
September 24, 2012 at 6:19 pm - #43
@Polloloko
Via yugioh rules unless changed suddenly if you have equal attack you both die and if you have higher points,unless countered by an effect,magic or trap card will destroy the opposing monster. so yeah any thing with 1001 atk points is a casual star buster.
“Via yugioh rules unless changed suddenly if you have equal attack you both die and if you have higher points,unless countered by an effect,magic or trap card will destroy the opposing monster. so yeah any thing with 1001 atk points is a casual star buster.”
Still, No PROOF No game, bring proof to back your claims.
ANd read my other post that have the Legendary Pokemons.
@Polloloko
Why are you gimping Yu-Gi-Oh and taking away 2/3 of it’s hax? Do you hate Yu-Gi-Oh or something?
Rhododendron
September 24, 2012 at 6:27 pm - #47
@Polloloko
It was originally as card game thus the main scource of cannon. its own description blatantly states its the sun. it only has 1000 atk. In othe words “obnoxious cletic guardian”(via his attack being 1400 and he can only be beat by a guy with less then 1900 attack points in battle via his effect ) solos.
“It was originally as card game thus the main scource of cannon. its own description blatantly states its the sun. it only has 1000 atk. In othe words “obnoxious cletic guardian”(via his attack being 1400 and he can only be beat by a guy with less then 1900 attack points in battle via his effect ) solos”
Still No Proof of it.
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+ Even if its true, Pokemon have some Legendary/Gods, Like Arceos who created the Pokemon Universe/Galaxy and Reality and the World + Pokemons.
They have….Whait a minute, go to my post and Read the Legendaries Pokemons to learn more of them.
I see all the seasons of Yugio, so dont botter saying “Go see Yugio to learn” bullshit.
Celebi can take all the strongest Pokemons or the Legendaries whit him to the past were the Monsters were being created and destroy them for good before the monsters existed.
Rhododendron
September 24, 2012 at 6:48 pm - #53
@Polloloko
“Even if its true, Pokemon have some Legendary/Gods, Like Arceos who created the Pokemon Universe/Galaxy and Reality and the World + Pokemons.
They have….Whait a minute, go to my post and Read the Legendaries Pokemons to learn more of them.”
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And seeing as all these attacks are not effects,traps or magic cards but abiliteies and way beyond 1900 atk(far beyond star busting with universal abilities) thus can NOT kill obnoxious celtic gaurdian via his effect thus he solos.
“And seeing as all these attacks are not effects,traps or magic cards but abiliteies and way beyond 1900 atk(far beyond star busting with universal abilities) thus can NOT kill obnoxious celtic gaurdian via his effect thus he solos.”
He CANT Solo, you Dumb Ass, HE cant even destroy a city or a stadium(Even a Pokemon in LV 50 can destroy easy, Even Pikachu), Still you need to give PROOF, of him Busting Stars, to me to see.
And He cant even create Universe/Galaxys and Reality.
You do know Yu-Gi-Oh has many monsters that are more powerful then Arceus. I mean Exodia, The Three Gods, The Five Dragons. There is a whole list of different Sacred Cards that would beat Arceus’ ass.
Sorry for triple post.
Besides we have FTL monsters that destroy stars by being summoned that pretty much gives the win to Yu-Gi-Oh.
jackn8r
September 24, 2012 at 7:18 pm - #69
“Most mosters have no feats, like at all. High tiers like Exodia and the Egyptian Gods are less then city level in power and magical ability, going by their fight with Zorc.”
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But the 3 god cards together make that pink obelisk with infinite attack and defense in the movie.
What about the Nazca lines yugioh cards? What about cards with effects like man-eater bug that kill most monsters?
Seriously, though, I think the Wicked Avatar and god cards are enough to solo pokemon.
“You do know Yu-Gi-Oh has many monsters that are more powerful then Arceus. I mean Exodia, The Three Gods, The Five Dragons. There is a whole list of different Sacred Cards that would beat Arceus’ ass”
No, the Gods of Yugio, they only shows that they are below City Busting, and can only destroy the duel fied whit one attack, they only have firepower on there side, but Arceos that is the creator of all Pokemon can easy creates universes and galaxies and reality, he even created all the legendary Pokemons that are way above the Gods of Yugio, Even Giratina can Solo this, he can bend reality.
“Seriously, though, I think the Wicked Avatar and god cards are enough to solo pokemon.”
No there not, The Legendary Pokemons are way to Overpower for them to handle.
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There below the Pokemons who can destroy stadiums whit ease + Other Pokemons that can destroy Citys and Mountains.
Skalkorik13
September 24, 2012 at 7:22 pm - #72
to end the “time travel” argument … factpile rules … time travelers can not travel to any time before the beginning of the match … so going back and destroying the cards or whatever is null … ok … continue
“There below the Pokemons who can destroy stadiums whit ease + Other Pokemons that can destroy Citys and Mountains.”
I was talking about the normal Pokemons are above then the Gods of Yugio by the way.
jackn8r
September 24, 2012 at 7:25 pm - #75
“No, the Gods of Yugio, they only shows that they are below City Busting, and can only destroy the duel fied whit one attack, they only have firepower on there side, but Arceos that is the creator of all Pokemon can easy creates universes and galaxies and reality, he even created all the legendary Pokemons that are way above the Gods of Yugio, Even Giratina can Solo this, he can bend reality.”
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This isn’t true though. In the movie the gods use infinite power. Also, the wicked avatar is by default slightly stronger than its opponent. www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXaPLWHveAA
Skip to 8:05
“to end the “time travel” argument … factpile rules … time travelers can not travel to any time before the beginning of the match … so going back and destroying the cards or whatever is null … ok … continue”
Ok
Still Pokemon have a Wishing Pokemon on there side
jackn8r
September 24, 2012 at 7:28 pm - #77
“I was talking about the normal Pokemons are above then the Gods of Yugio by the way.”
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They aren’t though. You act as if its been established already that Yugioh monsters aren’t above city busting level.
“This isn’t true though. In the movie the gods use infinite power. Also, the wicked avatar is by default slightly stronger than its opponent.
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Infinite Power didsnt means that they can destroy Citys, it only means that there power will never go down, is the old same god whit infinite power, still he gets destroy by the Legendary Pokemons.
jackn8r
September 24, 2012 at 7:34 pm - #80
“Infinite Power didsnt means that they can destroy Citys, it only means that there power will never go down, is the old same god whit infinite power, still he gets destroy by the Legendary Pokemons.”
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WTF are you talking about? Infinite strength means you can destroy cities.
“So your ignoring the FTL monsters that bust stars then? I mean really This guy shows up and the star exploded just from being near him.”
Sorry is that I was responding to a post.
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Ok it is Powerfull but is not that Powerfull then the Legendaries that can Create Reality,Universe,Galaxys,Time and Space, Omnipotent Pokemons whit ease, and the World full of Pokemons and Humans, and make wishes.
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Dont get me wrong, Pokemon have some overpower Pokemons.
How do Yu-Gi-Oh’s Monsters effect apply here? I mean it’s been more then 50 post and you didn’t turn them off so Doesn’t Yu-Gi-Oh win just by Playing Exodia?
jackn8r
September 24, 2012 at 7:37 pm - #83
“Dont get me wrong, Pokemon have some overpower Pokemons.
Reality bend>>>>>>>>>Busting Universe>>>>>>>>>>Star Busting>>>>>>>>>>Planet Busting.
I give it to Pokemon.”
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Except no. Busting a Universe is far above reality bending. And Omnipotence is far above all of those. Yugioh have omnipotents, pokemon doesn’t. You didn’t disallow them before 50 comments, therefore yugioh stomps.
“WTF are you talking about? Infinite strength means you can destroy cities.”
No it cant, It never happen before, and they didnt even say it can.
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“How do Yu-Gi-Oh’s Monsters effect apply here? I mean it’s been more then 50 post and you didn’t turn them off so Doesn’t Yu-Gi-Oh win just by Playing Exodia?”
You know you have no proof of any of the things you say while I’ve been posting proof of everything. I mean How can your slow ass Pokemon not get speed blitzed by my FTL star buster who’s been shown to be more powerful then any of your Pokemon. He also isn’t even a Sacred monster like the Creator God or the God of Genesis who grant auto-wins.
jackn8r
September 24, 2012 at 7:41 pm - #86
“No it cant, It never happen before, and they didnt even say it can.”
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Do you realize how stupid this is? Its like saying you can lift 100 pounds but you aren’t strong enough to lift 2. You’re wrong.
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“No, this match is whit no monsters effects.”
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Its too late to make that addition to the rules.
You never said that monster effects can’t be used and it’s too late to change it. Also You already took 2/3rds of Yu-Gi-OH’s hax away and now you want to take the last one away that just proves how much weaker Pokemon is then Yu-Gi-Oh if you have to strip it of so much.
“Except no. Busting a Universe is far above reality bending. And Omnipotence is far above all of those. Yugioh have omnipotents, pokemon doesn’t. You didn’t disallow them before 50 comments, therefore yugioh stomps.”
No no no, you have all wrong, Reality Bending is a God/Omnipotent that can create all the things he whants, and that is all of the Legendary Pokemons.
Reality Bending is waaaaaaaaay above Busting Universes.
Dont ask why, go see the DBZ vs Dalecks Thread, a Reality destroyer can destroy a Universe easy.
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You have until post 50 to make changes. Not once in the first 50 post did you say Yu-Gi-Oh can’t use monster effects so it’s too late to change that. Seeing how they still have that effect every single Auto-win Monster wins the match for Yu-Gi-Oh.
jackn8r
September 24, 2012 at 7:48 pm - #90
“No no no, you have all wrong, Reality Bending is a God/Omnipotent that can create all the things he whants, and that is all of the Legendary Pokemons.
Reality Bending is waaaaaaaaay above Busting Universes.
Dont ask why, go see the DBZ vs Dalecks Thread, a Reality destroyer can destroy a Universe easy.”
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You never said Reality destroyer, you said reality bender. Big difference. Just because you say waaaaaaaaayyy doesn’t mean you’re right. There is a degree of ability, being able to bend reality slightly doesn’t mean you can bend it infinitely, and you don’t seem to understand that. DBZ vs Dalecks thread… you know that was a troll/spite match right?
jackn8r
September 24, 2012 at 7:49 pm - #91
““You didn’t disallow them before 50 ”
Disallow what???”
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Card effects. You didn’t do they stay.
“Do you realize how stupid this is? Its like saying you can lift 100 pounds but you aren’t strong enough to lift 2. You’re wrong.”
No, cuz he Never shows that he can do it, and nobody in the series shows that they can destroy citys, the gods only shows to destroy a duel field completly, but not a City.
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“Its too late to make that addition to the rules.”
I said it when I said that Spells,magic and Traps Cards are not allowed in the post waaay above.
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“You never said that monster effects can’t be used and it’s too late to change it. Also You already took 2/3rds of Yu-Gi-OH’s hax away and now you want to take the last one away that just proves how much weaker Pokemon is then Yu-Gi-Oh if you have to strip it of so much.”
Im not doing it because I whant to, Im doing it to make the Monsters figth whit there strength not there Efects(Lucky Time).
And Pokemon is not weak, Pokemon is one of the verse that is soooo Powerfull that can (By the Hardcore Fans of both series) beat DBZ, that prove alot.
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Yugio dont have what Pokemon have, that is the creation of everything + Time and Space + Wishing Powers.
So wait a minute Pokemon gets to keep their hax but Yu-Gi-Oh doesn’t? Not that it matters seeing How Monster effects are different from Magic and Traps. So Yeah Exodia Obliterates the Pokemon end of story.
Envoy
September 24, 2012 at 7:59 pm - #94
“So Your just ignoring the fact that Yu-Gi-Oh has at the very least two Omnipotents?”
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I don’t see omnipotent anywhere.
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“So your ignoring the FTL monsters that bust stars then? I mean really This guy shows up and the star exploded just from being near him.”
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Seeing as how no number card has actually killed a person with a direct attack(I’ve only seen like 12 eps of Zexal and it works the same way as every other show), its a hologram and the wank needs to stop. Unless you have evidence otherwise.
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What’s funny is that even on that thread, Dyson Sphere is considered featless.
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Call me when Darkrai doesn’t shit all over peeps.
Amm0vamp1r3
September 24, 2012 at 7:59 pm - #95
So the pokemon get everything and yugioh gets some of there powers taken?
How can you say Yu-Gi-Oh has no Omnipotents when I posted links to two of them. All the reality warping is done by Magic,Trap, and certain monster effects Yu-Gi-Oh has everything that Pokemon has on a much grander scale seeing how it’s a multiverse.
jackn8r
September 24, 2012 at 8:00 pm - #97
“No, cuz he Never shows that he can do it, and nobody in the series shows that they can destroy citys, the gods only shows to destroy a duel field completly, but not a City.”
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So? If I show I can lift 100 pounds at my house but not a gym does that mean I can’t do it there? Do you see how silly you’re being?
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“I said it when I said that Spells,magic and Traps Cards are not allowed in the post waaay above.”
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Quote it then. I only see you disallowing trap and magic cards which is a huge nerf itself.
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“Yugio dont have what Pokemon have, that is the creation of everything + Time and Space + Wishing Powers.”
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Omnipotence>all of those. At best pokemon can tie. And that’s only if they have an omnipotent, which you have to show. As of now, its a stomp for yugioh.
“You never said Reality destroyer, you said reality bender. Big difference. Just because you say waaaaaaaaayyy doesn’t mean you’re right. There is a degree of ability, being able to bend reality slightly doesn’t mean you can bend it infinitely, and you don’t seem to understand that.”
Arceos can create the verse and is the only one to destroy it or change everything in the verse.
@Envoy
I wasn’t even talking about the Zexal monsters when I said star busting I was talking about a 5Ds monster and I posted a link.
jackn8r
September 24, 2012 at 8:04 pm - #100
“Arceos can create the verse and is the only one to destroy it or change everything in the verse.
Hope you Understand.”
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Doesn’t make him omnipotent. Hope you understand.
Yami vs Ash would=Mind Crush
Kind of like this
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE5aeDlAGZ4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Kind of depends, if the Yu-Gi-Oh monsters are free of the cards and can work of their own accord there is some serious firepower that can be spammed and possibly wipe out most of the Pokemon.
If that is the case this fight likely comes down to the god tier creatures and I don’t even know where to begin there.
If the Yu-Gi-Oh monsters are bound to the cards things become more difficult for them, the Pokemon need only attack the humans on the Yu-Gi-Oh side to disable small armies of potentially devastating monsters.
Pokemon has some very heavy hitters. While I know the same can be said of Yu-Gi-Oh, I don’t know much else except that the main character has weird hair. I’ll wait to see what is brought up, but I will also be the first to mention the Legendary pokemon.
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And I must ask, what mediums are allowed for support of Pokemon? Anime, movies, comics, games?
yeah legendary pokemon are going to be a major asset for the Pokemon side, and there are several things that need to specified so we can debate and know what we can and can’t assume about the fight.
…Who is polloloko?
“Who is polloloko?”
-Well, I think he’s new, but he’s been suggesting quite a few matches. I think his face is brown.
yeah he’s suggested and debated on a couple of matches, not many but he’s there if you look.
Anyone else not seeing the image?
Yeah, image isn’t working for me either
I absolutely hate Yu-Gi-Oh in every way. So I’ll give it to Pokemon due to pure spite.
iirc the egyptian god cards are actual gods (seen in yugioh millenium world) but i cant recall how strong they are
if we go into the GX and 5D’s (I know not liked exactly) and other tv seasons then there are even more god monsters to utilize, again though the problem is how strong are they.
if we go with just monsters then Yu-Gi-Oh monsters definitely have an average firepower advantage, the non legendary Pokemon are going to be blasted away by the stronger monsters like Blue Eyes White Dragon, Black Luster Soldier, Dark Magician etc. there’s a size gap with some monsters compared to pokemon as well.
Arceus used Judgement. Palkia used Spacial Rend. Dialga used Roar of Time. What else do I need to mention?
I enjoyed the original Yu-Gi-Oh. The Egyptian theme drew me in. Anyway, what about Exodia or Obelisk?
Also we have non legendaries that kick ass too like Dragonite, Gyrados, Mamoswine, Rampardos, hm what else oh Lucario, Buffolant can derail a rain with one charge. Then we have Mewtwo who could of destroyed the planet by moving his freakin wrist. That will help a lot. Mewtwo is actually considered equal to the god Pokemon.
I think I could do this all day
Reliquished was one of my favorite cards. It was just so interesting. No Atk or Def, and here’s what the description said.
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“Select 1 monster on your opponent’s side of the field and equip it to this card (this effect can only be used once per turn and you can only equip 1 monster at a time to this card). The ATK and DEF of this card become the same amounts as the monster equipped to this card. If this card is destroyed as a result of battle, the equipped monster is destroyed instead, and any battle damage you received from the battle is also inflicted to your opponent’s Life Points.”
Gosh, I miss watching these shows. I grew up watching both. T-T Nostalgia.
Isn’t the fact that YGO is riddled with gameplay mechanics a bit troubling?PKMN atleast has a anime where the PKMN move outside of the gamemechanics etc etc but the beings of YGO are all limited to the rules of the cards.
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Granted I only watched the original.
“Isn’t the fact that YGO is riddled with gameplay mechanics a bit troubling?”
i agree with you
some of the cards have actual showings of power in the manga
as do charachters and monsters from other games
but i dont feel like routing through 5 or 6 different manga to find them
Most seasons had episodes that seemed to show the monsters as simply bound by the cards by some magic means but could be wrong
doesnt yu gi oh have cards that kill everyone on the field and black holes and what not
Most mosters have no feats, like at all. High tiers like Exodia and the Egyptian Gods are less then city level in power and magical ability, going by their fight with Zorc.
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I don’t know of a single planetary level monster.
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Current manga’s are spin offs of the anime, and are only really the same in name. The animes are spin off series to the original yugioh (with Yugi) that anime itself is an adaptation of the manga. The Video games are the same as the mangas in that they have nothing to do with anything.
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Wut do?
well as much as i think pokemon can beat yu-gi-oh their is one major problem “oh no giant exodia monster capable of destroying powerful creatures? PIKACHU I CHOOSE YOU!” ash never uses his strongest pokemon lol
@ka-tet19
“well as much as i think pokemon can beat yu-gi-oh their is one major problem “oh no giant exodia monster capable of destroying powerful creatures? PIKACHU I CHOOSE YOU!” ash never uses his strongest pokemon lol”
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While true, the OP doesn’t say which pokemon verse, so maybe we’re dealing with Red rather then Ash.
If Ash’s Pikachu actually collectively had all its experience it would pimp smack legendaries
@GuardianAngel1911
“If Ash’s Pikachu actually collectively had all its experience it would pimp smack legendaries”
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Also vary, vary, VARY true.
How Ash’s recent gym battles should have gone
Ash: Pikachu Thunderbolt *Pikachu vaporizes half the gym and the half fried gym leader just drops the badge.*
@GuardianAngel1911
“How Ash’s recent gym battles should have gone
Ash: Pikachu Thunderbolt *Pikachu vaporizes half the gym and the half fried gym leader just drops the badge.*”
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Ash would be a Master by now, if he actually, you know.. DID HIS FUCKING JOB!!!
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But no, every time any of his pokemon start to show real power, he ether A. leaves them at Professor Oak’s, or just up and gives them away so that they can be trained to be powerful…. You know, what he, the pokemon TRAINER, is supposed to be doing HIMSELF……
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If he really thinks that they need more instinctive training in something, then it’s his job to stop trying to get badges for a while, and bloody well train them himself.
ash is kinda a douche when you think about it. could you imagine being an ash pokemon? as soon as you get powerful he abandons you at professor oaks or some other ridiculous place
a couple things that may need specification:
although it has already been questioned, what state are yu-gi-oh monsters in?
for pokemon, are we using one of every pokemon, or are we going by the game/anime/manga where there are multiples of everything but legendaries?
for once, the pokemon universes ridiculous amount of “legendary” pokemon in recent years may actually work to their advantage. pokemon have advantage in sheer number if we are allowing worlds rules, ie: multiple pokemon of non-legendary status, and iirc, a few token legendaries may even have multiple.
Red >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ash
yu gi oh>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>pokemon. WAY too many hax…..way too many.
FINALLY the image actually works!!!
Also, considering that in terms of overall power levels, Digimon>>>Yu-gi-Oh>>>Pokemon when we’re talking individually speaking with all sides having full access to their powers, IBs with the YGO side for the most part, actually.
For this battle is gana be, all of Pokemon, that include Game,Manga & Anime.
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“yu gi oh>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>pokemon. WAY too many hax…..way too many.”
Your argument is sooo Invalid, so No.
This is the rigth thing.
Digimon>>>>Pokemon>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DBZ(I Think?!?!)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Naruto>>>>>>>>Yugi – Oh.
Ash and Red will work together.
Badass time
@Polloloko
Yeah no you have no argument to beat mine.
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Their are way too many hax: yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Ray_%26_Temperature =1000+ atk points=star buster lol,blue eyes shining,exodia necros,exodia,gerifried,man eater bug the egyptian god cards etc etc. need i go on?
Here:
pokemon.wikia.com/wiki/Legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon
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Pokemon Wins.
Well let’s see if we take Yu-Gi-Oh lore into account by using the descriptions from Normal monster then even crappy monsters are more powerful then most Pokemon. Then There is the fact that almost all cards are apart of a story and the fact that Yu Gi Oh in terms of the card game is a multiverse. I mean the Duel Terminal World is just a Universe filled with crazy hax monsters.
“star buster ”
Have proof of the monsters desrtoying stars in a video/anime?
I forgot, Yugi-Oh will not be able to use magic and trap cards.
@The King of Heroes
“Yu-Gi-Oh lore into account by using the descriptions from Normal monster then even crappy monsters are more powerful then most Pokemon”
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yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Ray_%26_Temperature
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^By description the sun and wind working together only have 1000 atk points.
@Polloloko
Via yugioh rules unless changed suddenly if you have equal attack you both die and if you have higher points,unless countered by an effect,magic or trap card will destroy the opposing monster. so yeah any thing with 1001 atk points is a casual star buster.
www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=859596&highlight=yugioh
This thread shows a monster busting a star.
“Via yugioh rules unless changed suddenly if you have equal attack you both die and if you have higher points,unless countered by an effect,magic or trap card will destroy the opposing monster. so yeah any thing with 1001 atk points is a casual star buster.”
Still, No PROOF No game, bring proof to back your claims.
ANd read my other post that have the Legendary Pokemons.
@Polloloko
Why are you gimping Yu-Gi-Oh and taking away 2/3 of it’s hax? Do you hate Yu-Gi-Oh or something?
@Polloloko
) solos.
It was originally as card game thus the main scource of cannon. its own description blatantly states its the sun. it only has 1000 atk. In othe words “obnoxious cletic guardian”(via his attack being 1400 and he can only be beat by a guy with less then 1900 attack points in battle via his effect
“Why are you gimping Yu-Gi-Oh and taking away 2/3 of it’s hax? Do you hate Yu-Gi-Oh or something?”
No, I like both series, but I like Yugi-Oh a little, cuz is not that interesthing anymore.
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+ the video you posted, didnt show a star exploding or an attack busting it.
spam
no more alterations. you can thank me latter
“It was originally as card game thus the main scource of cannon. its own description blatantly states its the sun. it only has 1000 atk. In othe words “obnoxious cletic guardian”(via his attack being 1400 and he can only be beat by a guy with less then 1900 attack points in battle via his effect ) solos”
Still No Proof of it.
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+ Even if its true, Pokemon have some Legendary/Gods, Like Arceos who created the Pokemon Universe/Galaxy and Reality and the World + Pokemons.
They have….Whait a minute, go to my post and Read the Legendaries Pokemons to learn more of them.
I see all the seasons of Yugio, so dont botter saying “Go see Yugio to learn” bullshit.
Celebi, One of the Legendary Pokemon is powerfull and can time travel:
pokemon.wikia.com/wiki/Celebi
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Celebi can take all the strongest Pokemons or the Legendaries whit him to the past were the Monsters were being created and destroy them for good before the monsters existed.
@Polloloko
“Even if its true, Pokemon have some Legendary/Gods, Like Arceos who created the Pokemon Universe/Galaxy and Reality and the World + Pokemons.
They have….Whait a minute, go to my post and Read the Legendaries Pokemons to learn more of them.”
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And seeing as all these attacks are not effects,traps or magic cards but abiliteies and way beyond 1900 atk(far beyond star busting with universal abilities) thus can NOT kill obnoxious celtic gaurdian via his effect thus he solos.
yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Obnoxious_Celtic_Guard
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Jirachi one of the Legendary Pokemons, and Powerfull, & can grant any wishes:
pokemon.wikia.com/wiki/Jirachi
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Jirachi can grant only his team wishes, so all the Yugio Team are in the sun…..The End.
Did you even read the whole thread all they talk about is the feat but that doesn’t matter I found the episode. It happens at about 17:50 onward.
www.dailymotion.com/video/xr0aad_yu-gi-oh-zexal-episode-56-english-sub-hd_shortfilms?search_algo=2
If you look at this from about 4 minutes the summoning of this monster destroyed a star.
www.dailymotion.com/video/xgsi2i_yugioh-5ds-episode-144-subbed-part-2-hd_shortfilms?search_algo=2
The whole next episode is them running from the black hole it created.
www.dailymotion.com/video/xgsfem_yu-xgi-ohx-5d-s-1451_shortfilms?start=1
First minutes or so of that video is just a recap of the summoning and explanation of the black hole.
You are aware that the Crimson Dragon can also Time Travel right?
“And seeing as all these attacks are not effects,traps or magic cards but abiliteies and way beyond 1900 atk(far beyond star busting with universal abilities) thus can NOT kill obnoxious celtic gaurdian via his effect thus he solos.”
He CANT Solo, you Dumb Ass, HE cant even destroy a city or a stadium(Even a Pokemon in LV 50 can destroy easy, Even Pikachu), Still you need to give PROOF, of him Busting Stars, to me to see.
And He cant even create Universe/Galaxys and Reality.
You know you could ignore him since I’m the only one bothering to get proof.
“You are aware that the Crimson Dragon can also Time Travel right?”
Yea I know, but can he time travel fast enof, to cash Celebi and his troops that are gana destroy them out of existent?
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And Thanks for the Scans, you are better then that Dumb Shit that keep spaming whit out proof, that is Gendron.
“You know you could ignore him since I’m the only one bothering to get proof.”
Ok
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When times get to 8:30, I have to go see wwe Raw ok.
Celebi’s time travel isn’t that fast.Crimson Dragon uses FTL bikes to let people time travel.
“Celebi’s time travel isn’t that fast.Crimson Dragon uses FTL bikes to let people time travel.”
Have Proof to see it?
By the way, what if the Pokemon Team destroy the bikes, before time traveling?
I think that will work.
For me, Arceos Solos this.
For me:
Legendary/God Pokemons>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yugi Oh Gods.
Pokemons>>>>Yugio Monsters. (Still prety close)
You do know Yu-Gi-Oh has many monsters that are more powerful then Arceus. I mean Exodia, The Three Gods, The Five Dragons. There is a whole list of different Sacred Cards that would beat Arceus’ ass.
How can you put Pikachu above the fucking Blue-Eyes White Dragon? Normal Monsters shit on normal Pokemon very easily.
So yugioh cant use trap cards and such?
Sorry for triple post.
Besides we have FTL monsters that destroy stars by being summoned that pretty much gives the win to Yu-Gi-Oh.
“Most mosters have no feats, like at all. High tiers like Exodia and the Egyptian Gods are less then city level in power and magical ability, going by their fight with Zorc.”
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But the 3 god cards together make that pink obelisk with infinite attack and defense in the movie.
What about the Nazca lines yugioh cards? What about cards with effects like man-eater bug that kill most monsters?
Seriously, though, I think the Wicked Avatar and god cards are enough to solo pokemon.
“You do know Yu-Gi-Oh has many monsters that are more powerful then Arceus. I mean Exodia, The Three Gods, The Five Dragons. There is a whole list of different Sacred Cards that would beat Arceus’ ass”
No, the Gods of Yugio, they only shows that they are below City Busting, and can only destroy the duel fied whit one attack, they only have firepower on there side, but Arceos that is the creator of all Pokemon can easy creates universes and galaxies and reality, he even created all the legendary Pokemons that are way above the Gods of Yugio, Even Giratina can Solo this, he can bend reality.
“Seriously, though, I think the Wicked Avatar and god cards are enough to solo pokemon.”
No there not, The Legendary Pokemons are way to Overpower for them to handle.
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There below the Pokemons who can destroy stadiums whit ease + Other Pokemons that can destroy Citys and Mountains.
to end the “time travel” argument … factpile rules … time travelers can not travel to any time before the beginning of the match … so going back and destroying the cards or whatever is null … ok … continue
So Your just ignoring the fact that Yu-Gi-Oh has at the very least two Omnipotents?
1.yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/The_Creator_God_of_Light,_Horakhty
2.yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Genesis_Star_God,_Sophia
This thread tells the story of duel terminal.
www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=830269&highlight=yugioh
“There below the Pokemons who can destroy stadiums whit ease + Other Pokemons that can destroy Citys and Mountains.”
I was talking about the normal Pokemons are above then the Gods of Yugio by the way.
“No, the Gods of Yugio, they only shows that they are below City Busting, and can only destroy the duel fied whit one attack, they only have firepower on there side, but Arceos that is the creator of all Pokemon can easy creates universes and galaxies and reality, he even created all the legendary Pokemons that are way above the Gods of Yugio, Even Giratina can Solo this, he can bend reality.”
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This isn’t true though. In the movie the gods use infinite power. Also, the wicked avatar is by default slightly stronger than its opponent.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXaPLWHveAA
Skip to 8:05
“to end the “time travel” argument … factpile rules … time travelers can not travel to any time before the beginning of the match … so going back and destroying the cards or whatever is null … ok … continue”
Ok
Still Pokemon have a Wishing Pokemon on there side
“I was talking about the normal Pokemons are above then the Gods of Yugio by the way.”
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They aren’t though. You act as if its been established already that Yugioh monsters aren’t above city busting level.
So your ignoring the FTL monsters that bust stars then? I mean really This guy shows up and the star exploded just from being near him.
“This isn’t true though. In the movie the gods use infinite power. Also, the wicked avatar is by default slightly stronger than its opponent.
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Infinite Power didsnt means that they can destroy Citys, it only means that there power will never go down, is the old same god whit infinite power, still he gets destroy by the Legendary Pokemons.
“Infinite Power didsnt means that they can destroy Citys, it only means that there power will never go down, is the old same god whit infinite power, still he gets destroy by the Legendary Pokemons.”
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WTF are you talking about? Infinite strength means you can destroy cities.
“So your ignoring the FTL monsters that bust stars then? I mean really This guy shows up and the star exploded just from being near him.”
Sorry is that I was responding to a post.
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Ok it is Powerfull but is not that Powerfull then the Legendaries that can Create Reality,Universe,Galaxys,Time and Space, Omnipotent Pokemons whit ease, and the World full of Pokemons and Humans, and make wishes.
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Dont get me wrong, Pokemon have some overpower Pokemons.
Reality bend>>>>>>>>>Busting Universe>>>>>>>>>>Star Busting>>>>>>>>>>Planet Busting.
I give it to Pokemon.
How do Yu-Gi-Oh’s Monsters effect apply here? I mean it’s been more then 50 post and you didn’t turn them off so Doesn’t Yu-Gi-Oh win just by Playing Exodia?
“Dont get me wrong, Pokemon have some overpower Pokemons.
Reality bend>>>>>>>>>Busting Universe>>>>>>>>>>Star Busting>>>>>>>>>>Planet Busting.
I give it to Pokemon.”
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Except no. Busting a Universe is far above reality bending. And Omnipotence is far above all of those. Yugioh have omnipotents, pokemon doesn’t. You didn’t disallow them before 50 comments, therefore yugioh stomps.
“WTF are you talking about? Infinite strength means you can destroy cities.”
No it cant, It never happen before, and they didnt even say it can.
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“How do Yu-Gi-Oh’s Monsters effect apply here? I mean it’s been more then 50 post and you didn’t turn them off so Doesn’t Yu-Gi-Oh win just by Playing Exodia?”
No, this match is whit no monsters effects.
You know you have no proof of any of the things you say while I’ve been posting proof of everything. I mean How can your slow ass Pokemon not get speed blitzed by my FTL star buster who’s been shown to be more powerful then any of your Pokemon. He also isn’t even a Sacred monster like the Creator God or the God of Genesis who grant auto-wins.
“No it cant, It never happen before, and they didnt even say it can.”
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Do you realize how stupid this is? Its like saying you can lift 100 pounds but you aren’t strong enough to lift 2. You’re wrong.
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“No, this match is whit no monsters effects.”
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Its too late to make that addition to the rules.
You never said that monster effects can’t be used and it’s too late to change it. Also You already took 2/3rds of Yu-Gi-OH’s hax away and now you want to take the last one away that just proves how much weaker Pokemon is then Yu-Gi-Oh if you have to strip it of so much.
“Except no. Busting a Universe is far above reality bending. And Omnipotence is far above all of those. Yugioh have omnipotents, pokemon doesn’t. You didn’t disallow them before 50 comments, therefore yugioh stomps.”
No no no, you have all wrong, Reality Bending is a God/Omnipotent that can create all the things he whants, and that is all of the Legendary Pokemons.
Reality Bending is waaaaaaaaay above Busting Universes.
Dont ask why, go see the DBZ vs Dalecks Thread, a Reality destroyer can destroy a Universe easy.
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“You didn’t disallow them before 50 ”
Disallow what???
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“yugioh stomps.”
In your own argument?!?!…. NO!!
Pokemon have this, but still preaty close war.
You have until post 50 to make changes. Not once in the first 50 post did you say Yu-Gi-Oh can’t use monster effects so it’s too late to change that. Seeing how they still have that effect every single Auto-win Monster wins the match for Yu-Gi-Oh.
“No no no, you have all wrong, Reality Bending is a God/Omnipotent that can create all the things he whants, and that is all of the Legendary Pokemons.
Reality Bending is waaaaaaaaay above Busting Universes.
Dont ask why, go see the DBZ vs Dalecks Thread, a Reality destroyer can destroy a Universe easy.”
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You never said Reality destroyer, you said reality bender. Big difference. Just because you say waaaaaaaaayyy doesn’t mean you’re right. There is a degree of ability, being able to bend reality slightly doesn’t mean you can bend it infinitely, and you don’t seem to understand that. DBZ vs Dalecks thread… you know that was a troll/spite match right?
““You didn’t disallow them before 50 ”
Disallow what???”
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Card effects. You didn’t do they stay.
“Do you realize how stupid this is? Its like saying you can lift 100 pounds but you aren’t strong enough to lift 2. You’re wrong.”
No, cuz he Never shows that he can do it, and nobody in the series shows that they can destroy citys, the gods only shows to destroy a duel field completly, but not a City.
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“Its too late to make that addition to the rules.”
I said it when I said that Spells,magic and Traps Cards are not allowed in the post waaay above.
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“You never said that monster effects can’t be used and it’s too late to change it. Also You already took 2/3rds of Yu-Gi-OH’s hax away and now you want to take the last one away that just proves how much weaker Pokemon is then Yu-Gi-Oh if you have to strip it of so much.”
Im not doing it because I whant to, Im doing it to make the Monsters figth whit there strength not there Efects(Lucky Time).
And Pokemon is not weak, Pokemon is one of the verse that is soooo Powerfull that can (By the Hardcore Fans of both series) beat DBZ, that prove alot.
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Yugio dont have what Pokemon have, that is the creation of everything + Time and Space + Wishing Powers.
So wait a minute Pokemon gets to keep their hax but Yu-Gi-Oh doesn’t? Not that it matters seeing How Monster effects are different from Magic and Traps. So Yeah Exodia Obliterates the Pokemon end of story.
“So Your just ignoring the fact that Yu-Gi-Oh has at the very least two Omnipotents?”
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I don’t see omnipotent anywhere.
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“So your ignoring the FTL monsters that bust stars then? I mean really This guy shows up and the star exploded just from being near him.”
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Seeing as how no number card has actually killed a person with a direct attack(I’ve only seen like 12 eps of Zexal and it works the same way as every other show), its a hologram and the wank needs to stop. Unless you have evidence otherwise.
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What’s funny is that even on that thread, Dyson Sphere is considered featless.
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Call me when Darkrai doesn’t shit all over peeps.
So the pokemon get everything and yugioh gets some of there powers taken?
How can you say Yu-Gi-Oh has no Omnipotents when I posted links to two of them. All the reality warping is done by Magic,Trap, and certain monster effects Yu-Gi-Oh has everything that Pokemon has on a much grander scale seeing how it’s a multiverse.
“No, cuz he Never shows that he can do it, and nobody in the series shows that they can destroy citys, the gods only shows to destroy a duel field completly, but not a City.”
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So? If I show I can lift 100 pounds at my house but not a gym does that mean I can’t do it there? Do you see how silly you’re being?
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“I said it when I said that Spells,magic and Traps Cards are not allowed in the post waaay above.”
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Quote it then. I only see you disallowing trap and magic cards which is a huge nerf itself.
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“Yugio dont have what Pokemon have, that is the creation of everything + Time and Space + Wishing Powers.”
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Omnipotence>all of those. At best pokemon can tie. And that’s only if they have an omnipotent, which you have to show. As of now, its a stomp for yugioh.
“You never said Reality destroyer, you said reality bender. Big difference. Just because you say waaaaaaaaayyy doesn’t mean you’re right. There is a degree of ability, being able to bend reality slightly doesn’t mean you can bend it infinitely, and you don’t seem to understand that.”
Arceos can create the verse and is the only one to destroy it or change everything in the verse.
Hope you Understand.
@Envoy
I wasn’t even talking about the Zexal monsters when I said star busting I was talking about a 5Ds monster and I posted a link.
“Arceos can create the verse and is the only one to destroy it or change everything in the verse.
Hope you Understand.”
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Doesn’t make him omnipotent. Hope you understand.