Skynet Vs Chimera

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For this battle Chimera are as of Resistance 3, Skynet is as of Terminator: Salvation.

Both forces are transported along with all of their assets to a neutral planet.

Feral and Military Chimera will be united in this and Skynet does not get access to nuclear weapons.

Don’t know much about the Chimera, so I gotta go with Skynet as of now.

Who will win?

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128 Comments on "Skynet Vs Chimera"

  1. Commander Cross September 17, 2012 at 9:48 am -      #1

    IB says this is gonna take a while.
    There goes the neighborhood!

  2. SgCombine September 17, 2012 at 10:50 am -      #2

    “Skynet is as of Terminator: Salvation.”
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    Isn’t that the one with mediocre robots and no time traveling?

  3. Doughiest Treat September 17, 2012 at 10:52 am -      #3

    So the Chimera are over 60 million years old as a civilization? That should be self explanatory.

  4. shaun182 September 17, 2012 at 11:11 am -      #4

    Right I know next to nothing about the chimera

    So I will just point out my thoughts about skynet in this scenario

    1. By salvation standards his force will most consist of few hundred, maybe a couple of thousand slow moving t-600, a couple hundred h-k’s, and unknown amount of harvesters, as well as unknown amount of additional resources such as construction machines, but there numbers a likely small since skynet is using humanity as primary labour pool.

    I make this assumption, because shown in the film, skynet only controls a portion of the planet, it doesn’t even fully control the united states, which is its main base of operations.

    2. Skynet now finds its self on alien planet, which it has no idea of the layout off, and most now begin test drilling, for ore samples, just so it can find the raw materials to feed its factories, if it was luckily enough to have them sent with it, if not its screwed it can build additional troops nor repair the ones it has now, let alone move into r+d to try to come up with new tech to deal with its new enemy.

    3. If skynet brings all its assets, that must include human slaves, since they generally its primary workforce, until has the means to go into full automation on every level of manfuctring from ore mining, processing and unit production, which it won’t have on a new planet, and so it must also bring its problem with resistance with it, I’m not talking about the established resistance of its home world, they get left behind, but the certain groups that will spring up overtime on this new world, because nobody wants to worked to death by machine overlords, not when you can steal weapons and supplies and run off to fight skynet another day.

  5. Smeagolicious September 17, 2012 at 11:24 am -      #5

    Salvation era terminators…a bad choice.

  6. Smeagolicious September 17, 2012 at 11:27 am -      #6

    Chimera also have those huge walkers (lots of em)

  7. itcheyness September 17, 2012 at 11:54 am -      #7

    Yeah Chimera stomp due to huge numbers and the low number of heavy hitters on the Skynet side.

  8. Kuja9001 September 17, 2012 at 12:47 pm -      #8

    The crappy salvation terminators lose.

  9. Khazit September 17, 2012 at 1:09 pm -      #9

    Then shall we give a little buff for skynet. Ie: still salvation model, but more number, automatic labour and good amout of ore mines

  10. Tech/Mana September 17, 2012 at 1:21 pm -      #10

    So we have worst version of Skynet with all the best things of it removed, against a unified ideal version of the Chimera. Spite match?

  11. Hitman H94 September 17, 2012 at 1:31 pm -      #11

    Maybe we shoud allow al terminators for this match, I weren’t sure on only using Salvation version as well.

  12. SgCombine September 17, 2012 at 1:58 pm -      #12

    @Hitman
    Sounds better, just remove time traveling otherwise they’ll just keep “restarting” until they win.

  13. Hitman H94 September 17, 2012 at 2:03 pm -      #13

    Yeah, but I don’t wanna change it until the suggester is all good with it.

  14. ZomBody To Love September 17, 2012 at 3:31 pm -      #14

    Post-war Skynet annihilates the Chimera laughably, as it stands, Skynet will likely have at least a 100 to 1 kill to death ratio even with Salvation. All of that said, I do not want to change the era on Skynet, one liquid metal terminator could solo all of the Chimera. I digress though, I will explain the planet a bit more, it is four times the size of Earth, with either side on opposite sides of the planet. The planet is rich with resources, and natural flora and fauna comparable to Earth’s.
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    “By salvation standards his force will most consist of few hundred, maybe a couple of thousand slow moving t-600, a couple hundred h-k’s, and unknown amount of harvesters, ”
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    LMAO… You’re a funny man shaun, very funny. Unless you were actually being serious, you know, controlling the majority of a planet, and forcing the resistance to be headquartered on a mobile submarine can definitely be done with just thousands of units…
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    “such as construction machines, but there numbers a likely small since skynet is using humanity as primary labour pool.”
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    lolwut? They used humans to experiment on, not as labor. I’m fairly certain they even explicitly stated Skynet Central to be automated.

  15. Rorschach September 17, 2012 at 4:16 pm -      #15

    “Isn’t that the one with mediocre robots and no time traveling?”
    The Terminators aren’t that mediocre, and it is hinted that they are close to achieving time travel, what, with the new T-800 in the movie was the one to go back to kill Sarah in the First Terminator. Several of their fuel cells are also shown on a table in the movie, waiting to be put into the new models. They use those to destroy the whole facility.
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    “lolwut? They used humans to experiment on, not as labor. I’m fairly certain they even explicitly stated Skynet Central to be automated.”
    I can’t remember if it was stated, but it was shown.

  16. ReDruM September 17, 2012 at 4:17 pm -      #16

    “lolwut? They used humans to experiment on, not as labor. I’m fairly certain they even explicitly stated Skynet Central to be automated.”
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    Actually Kyle Reese did state that Skynet used humans for a number of jobs including body disposal and labor camps. However the rest of his post is bullshit
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    As for this match I’m going with the Terminators. They have Titanium chasis and better all around technology. Far stronger physically and mentally. As of Salvation they have access to T-800s. Unlike the Chimera they readily create new troops assembly line style while the Chimera must hunt for new ones to infect. I have my doubts that the Chimera weapons can even pierce the endoskeleton unless they are all armed with Augers and the heaviest weapons they have in their arsenal.

  17. shaun182 September 17, 2012 at 6:15 pm -      #17

    Yes of course you can dominate a foe with a few thousand troops, if your enemy is starving band of rebels in a post apocalyptic wasteland, however against a coordinated military with large numbers and resources, it is a different story.

    And for skynet central being fully automated, you are correct, but it didn’t start off with a production facility to build mobile death machines.

    After the skynet launched its nuclear holocaust at the end of T3, it’s military forced consisted primarily of t-1 those twin mini gunned robots on treads, possibly any still functioning drone weapons it might have access too, neither any good at building stuff, so it must have used humans to build and mine until it reached a level of self suffiency, however it now finds its self on a world it has no knowledge of, without the resources it requires to reach its previous level of productivity, without the aid of humans, since I doubt it has the capability to rearm t-600 for mining, whilst defending itself against a hostile force.

  18. shaun182 September 17, 2012 at 6:20 pm -      #18

    And for the t-800, skynet only had a single facility up and running to produce them, which was destroyed, even if we were to state that in also came along, fully functioning, where is skynet going to get titanium from to continue production.

  19. Kenny C. September 18, 2012 at 12:19 am -      #19

    I find the Skynet forces to be severely lacking for this battle.
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    Exhibit one – The Terraformer
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    images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110807232359/resistancefallofman/images/9/95/Terraformer_1.jpg
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    They create hurricanes. And unleashing enough energy in a singular pulse to destroy an entire town with little trouble. And there’s more than one! And skynet has what to challenge these?

  20. knightbreaker117 September 18, 2012 at 12:40 am -      #20

    Kenny C we re not talking about what they can create we’re talking about who’s going to win the fight .
    I my vote goes for Skynet .why because there robots with no pain , I’m pretty sure there good shooters , and it takes less time to make a group of T series then a chrima , and even if they do there just a hybrid . Useless
    Let just say if they do reach the core , they would just get slaughter by the T-Megs

  21. TheSorrow September 18, 2012 at 12:49 am -      #21

    “Kenny C we re not talking about what they can create we’re talking about who’s going to win the fight .”
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    Good God you are an idiot.

  22. Amm0vamp1r3 September 18, 2012 at 12:52 am -      #22

    lol

  23. knightbreaker117 September 18, 2012 at 12:53 am -      #23

    How?

  24. TheSorrow September 18, 2012 at 12:56 am -      #24

    “How?”
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    Read Kenny’s post again, and feel bad about yourself.

  25. knightbreaker117 September 18, 2012 at 12:58 am -      #25

    :)

  26. TheSorrow September 18, 2012 at 1:00 am -      #26

    And you wonder why I called you an idiot.

  27. knightbreaker117 September 18, 2012 at 1:04 am -      #27

    Well I kind meant that comment for shaun182, not Kenny c sorry I was looking at the wrong person , and got them mixed up.

  28. Tarbel September 18, 2012 at 1:14 am -      #28

    “I digress though, I will explain the planet a bit more, it is four times the size of Earth, with either side on opposite sides of the planet. The planet is rich with resources, and natural flora and fauna comparable to Earth’s.”
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    I’m guessing Skynet will have plenty of time to mass produce more terminators with the natural resources available, considering even a 500 mph plane will take somewhere around 3-4 days to travel to the opposite side of this planet. Although I don’t know exactly how much or how fast they make stuff.
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    Don’t have much info on the Chimeras either except for the Terraformers which are only stated to create hurricanes and destroy a town in a single pulse. Hurricane creating is quite powerful, but it could take over a week just to get to the terminators if it travels around 200mph. Hurricanes don’t do much to terminators either. How long does it work, how big, and how durable is it?

  29. Kenny C. September 18, 2012 at 10:56 am -      #29

    “Hurricanes don’t do much to terminators either.”
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    Laughable statement. Hurricanes (given the proper basis), are one of the most destructive terrestrial events known to man. The increase in water levels alone (if water is present is large enough amount) would leave Skynet forces waterlogged – not to mention mauled.
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    For instance, here is a car after a hurricane was done with it:
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    www2.gvsu.edu/righetle/Website/Images/Galveston/n1246980854_30561312_4446560.jpg
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    Rising waters, wind speeds over 155 mph, water surges that can cause large objects to smash against each other violently, Etc.I have a hard time seeing Terminators being unaffected by Hurricanes – especially if we mix debris in the wind.
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    By the way – here’s a vid of a Terraformer in action.
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    www.youtube.com/watch?list=SPFE97B1FE4996995E&feature=player_detailpage&v=UMarvq1OsRA#t=798s
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    I have seen nothing to support Skynet being able to even counter a single one of these machines.

  30. itisburgers September 18, 2012 at 11:05 am -      #30

    Hurricanes aren’t gonna matter if Skynet’s facilities are Inland, unless these chimera hurricanes don’t follow how actual hurricanes work.

  31. Doughiest Treat September 18, 2012 at 11:47 am -      #31

    www.ign.com/face-off/xbox-candidates
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    I do apologize for using wiki.

  32. Havoc September 18, 2012 at 12:55 pm -      #32

    I don’t know as much about the chimera as I would like but I can give some info about them. First off these aren’t even the real chimera. They are just hybrids and experiments which are used to pave the way for the pure chimera. Secondly; Chimera have quite the-whats the word-assortment of militia. From robotic machines to blood thirsty mutant monsters. Their technology is quite advanced as well. In Resistance: Fall of Man, I believe it was, they had weapons that could fire thru barriers(walls etc). They also had secondary fire on all firearms. One of their deadliest weapons was the virus itself. The spires they fired into cities would contaminate them in minutes. Thus doubling the chimeran populous. If Terminators could get converted, or even neutralized by the virus, then it would be a heavy blow indeed. It seems the chimeran army always grew fast(er) and strong(er) as time drug out. I have also found out that improvements were made to their ranks and they cut out any weak or useless members thus creating the feral class. Actually the feral class was used for merely breaking ranks and creating havoc well the stronger of the chimeran moved in to crush the struggling resistance, and take out any larger foes.
    The Leviathan itself could sweep out hordes of terminators from existence. I doubt any could bring it down, so much as leave a dent in its armour.

    @Smeagolicious The Huge walkers you described are called Goliaths, and yes they have an abundance of them.
    They also have numerous widowmakers and dropships. Plenty of drones as well.

    Did I forget they had satellites in the sky that would fire energy blasts at any living target that was not chimera. I could see the terminators being easily overwhelmed. Another tidbit about the chimeran is the conditions they live in. Freezing below temperatures. Not sure if that would make any difference in this battle nut I thought I’d add it just in case.
    Who knows, the terminators metal brains my freeze, and their bodies, Just like the tinman.

  33. Havoc September 18, 2012 at 12:56 pm -      #33

    I have to Agree with Kenney. Water alone would do considerable damage to robotic structures

  34. knightbreaker117 September 18, 2012 at 2:37 pm -      #34

    I still don’t see chimera winning this fight, unless they go to the core of skynet .

  35. Havoc September 18, 2012 at 2:45 pm -      #35

    They can do that. Sending swarms of their armies in with any unholy creature and weapon to boot, they would kill anything in their path and destroy the core. They have been known to do such things on Resistance. They have a nac for overwhelming the enemy. They spawn much more much quicker then terminators anyhow.
    @Redrum: They have the ability to fire thru barriers of any kind(except their own energy shields..and even then). They do also have rugers(however you spell that)

  36. ReDruM September 18, 2012 at 9:00 pm -      #36

    “Laughable statement. Hurricanes (given the proper basis), are one of the most destructive terrestrial events known to man. The increase in water levels alone (if water is present is large enough amount) would leave Skynet forces waterlogged – not to mention mauled.
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    For instance, here is a car after a hurricane was done with it:”
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    Problem is cars don’t have the same durability as a terminator. I don’t know of any cars that can survive 7 direct hits from HEAT armor piercing grenade rounds with not a scratch nor a blast door from a nuclear fallout shelter falling on top of it.
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    “Rising waters, wind speeds over 155 mph, water surges that can cause large objects to smash against each other violently, Etc.I have a hard time seeing Terminators being unaffected by Hurricanes – especially if we mix debris in the wind.”
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    I don’t. As Tech/Mana has produced in previous threads here is a video of The Terminator who held a blast door open (Which is mechanically pushing down on top of the weight) Which you can see as part of this video.
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    www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCLeV7PfJs&feature=player_detailpage#t=82s
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    Anyway if Chimera get access to weapons that can cause Hurricanes which is effectively weapons of mass destruction then its only fair that the Terminators get their nuclear arsenal.
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    But until that is decided here are feats for the terminators.
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    Strength feats include ripping multiple inches of titanium apart without breaking its stride
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    www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbtrnvagPqk&feature=player_detailpage#t=132s
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    Barely breaks his stride in doing so I might add. With one arm.
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    In this video at 1:29 we see that the T-800 is in fact a bullet timer due to the fact that he was able to open his mouth and catch the bullet after it was fired
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    www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMLA_IKCAAg
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    Also as seen in a previous video the T-800 chasis is capable of surviving a point blank nuclear explosion. Not to mention that each time the fuel cell is ruptured the pop like nuclear balloons so in close combat situation every T-800 is a potential bomb.
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  37. Masonicon September 18, 2012 at 9:59 pm -      #37

    2027-2032 era Skynet > Salvation Era Skynet

  38. Kenny C. September 18, 2012 at 11:25 pm -      #38

    ” I don’t know of any cars that can survive 7 direct hits from HEAT armor piercing grenade rounds with not a scratch nor a blast door from a nuclear fallout shelter falling on top of it.”
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    Source?
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    ” In this video at 1:29 we see that the T-800 is in fact a bullet timer due to the fact that he was able to open his mouth and catch the bullet after it was fired”
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    Hardly relevant considering they never seem to utilize this speed to any sort of advantage.
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    “Also as seen in a previous video the T-800 chasis is capable of surviving a point blank nuclear explosion.”
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    Source? Yield of explosion?
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    Another point for a Chimera win are these:
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    images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080916050543/resistancefallofman/images/thumb/e/ee/R2screen3.jpg/1000px-R2screen3.jpg
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    Goliathes – latest version being around 305 feet tall. At the time of Resistance 3, they have no known weak points and none are defeated in battle. The only previous way of defeating them was actually solved by the Chimera. I’m not going to say they’re invincible (because that’s silly) – but I don’t see anything among Skynet forces that can even scratch it.

  39. knightbreaker117 September 19, 2012 at 1:15 am -      #39

    I still think that skynet takes the win , because of the mass production of different T series, whatever the chimera throws at the T series , they got the model to take the challenge .

  40. Havoc September 19, 2012 at 10:57 am -      #40

    Kenny is right. Doesnt matter how good the terminators might be, they would get crushed by the size of those things. Goliaths also have many turrets and guns. It takes a considerable amount of blasts from a rocket launcher to down on of those beasts. For some reason floods have overtaken areas the chimera have settled. Maybe they broke the dams. Anyhow the water alone would corode the terminators, as they are made of metal, and would fry the inards. Robots weakness is water. Though I do not recall chimera causing hurrcanes, I do believe the force from one of those babies would rip them[terminators]apart like sheet metal. The force of hurricanes and tornado’s is not to be taken lightly. Still the Chimeran soilders have incredible strength, as well as sharp teeth and claws the length of a small sword. Ok maybe not that small. Still plenty long, which is designed for ripping thru flesh and metal. I almost forgot, when the tides are high they always send in a kraken. Do not tell me that a terminator could stand up to that. Much less the marauder, the widowmaker, the motherspinner, the titans, OR the Leviathan. The leviathan alone stands taller then 20 goliaths put together(maybe more), and taller then the twin towers. No weapon of the skynet could penetrate even his armour. Did I forget to mention the chimera have psychic powers/abilities? Most certainly they do. The angles used telepathy to communicate with the rest of the chimera and to synchronize them and coordinate their plans. Thats how they could change strategies in almost a minute. The psychic powers also were used to convert or destroy enemys. They could even enter the adversaries minds. One tried but Hale managed to kill it. The deadalus, after disposing the angels, had twice the psycho power of all the angels put together. He could rip buildings open and manipulate anything around himself as a weapon or subserviant as well. Skynet would have a terrible time trying to find the chameleons. Their transparent state allows them to move with stealth. You can hardly notice them before they are upon you and its too late.

  41. ReDruM September 19, 2012 at 11:57 am -      #41

    “Source”
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    He takes 2 to the chest at :56, 1 to the chest at 1:23 so scratch that and make it 3 but at 3:29 it takes a shower in molten titanium which barely slows it down. They only took it out by exploiting the weaknesses in it joints. Something the Chimera will neither know about nor get close enough to exploit.
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    www.youtube.com/watch?v=cImQSoeFiVE
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    “Hardly relevant considering they never seem to utilize this speed to any sort of advantage.”
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    They do for tracking targets and aiming. Since they are computers they make decisions and calculations at high speeds as seen in this video where we see through his vision and he see the world in slowmotion and was able to track the cop and put rounds exactly where he would end up
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    www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkreOzecZ7A
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    More on durability it survives an being inside an exploding oil tanker
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    www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3D03z_Gg7I&feature=related
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    “Source? Yield of explosion?”
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    Skip to 38:42
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    www.putlocker.com/file/33XTCY50RXQ88W8O#
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    Every time a T-800′s fuel cell is ruptured it will explode. Since that type of damage usually will result in unit failure they are effectively soldiers slash suicide bombers. At 1 hour and 36 minutes he shoves his last fuel cell into the T-X’s throat destroying it but we see at 1 hour 41 minutes that the chasis is still intact the unit only failing due to the lost of both of its fuel cells.
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    “images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080916050543/resistancefallofman/images/thumb/e/ee/R2screen3.jpg/1000px-R2screen3.jpg
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    Goliathes – latest version being around 305 feet tall. At the time of Resistance 3, they have no known weak points and none are defeated in battle. The only previous way of defeating them was actually solved by the Chimera. I’m not going to say they’re invincible (because that’s silly) – but I don’t see anything among Skynet forces that can even scratch it.”
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    How many are there and what exactly was the resistance attacking them with since I only seen mention of hand held anti-armor weapons. Was a mass of tanks ever deployed against them?
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    However this match depends on what Skynet has access to because they are extremely gimped in this match only allowing access to Salvation era weapons which are the most basic of units except for the T-800.

  42. Khazit September 19, 2012 at 12:30 pm -      #42

    Well, I know one thing for sure: some wet can’t cause a terminator to shut down. Remember the swimming worm in salvation? And I think that there are some scenes in the movies show term fighting in the rain

  43. ReDruM September 19, 2012 at 12:38 pm -      #43

    “Well, I know one thing for sure: some wet can’t cause a terminator to shut down. Remember the swimming worm in salvation? And I think that there are some scenes in the movies show term fighting in the rain”
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    Titanium doesn’t rust and that’s what they are made from titanium composite alloy. I don’t know what the fuck he’s talking about.

  44. Kenny C. September 19, 2012 at 2:44 pm -      #44

    “I still think that skynet takes the win , because of the mass production of different T series”
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    Why exactly is mass production of combat units a ‘win’ for Skynet? You act like the Chimera don’t have a number of lethal robots they mass produce too…. which is false.
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    “Something the Chimera will neither know about nor get close enough to exploit.”
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    Laughable reasoning. The Chimera are a constantly evolving foe that are known to be quite cunning. I hardly think they will just randomly fire at an enemy and not look for weakpoint for the entirety of the conflict. Indeed, the war itself will cause them to realize the weak points of the T-series simply because of trial and error. Its quite wrong to assume that the Chimera are dumb beasts. If the Terminators have a weakness – it will be discovered. Its simply a matter of time really. Grnated it works both ways, but the Terminators weaknesses are not some sort of super secret that will never be discovered.
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    ” They do for tracking targets and aiming.”
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    Fair point, but several times this noted ability to not exactly fool proof – a la Terminator 2 and the many times both models miss their targets. Even then, it doesn’t really seem to give them anything more than improved firearms skills.
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    “Skip to 38:42″
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    So having a head survive with the ocular unit still holding a charge is:
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    “Also as seen in a previous video the T-800 chasis is capable of surviving a point blank nuclear explosion.”
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    Misleeding statement on your part. I would also like to get a yield of that nuke if you please.
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    ” How many are there and what exactly was the resistance attacking them with since I only seen mention of hand held anti-armor weapons. Was a mass of tanks ever deployed against them?”
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    As of Resitance 3, there are at least two confirmed on a single level. Even then, they were just there to patrol the area and it is kinda hard to believe that the Chimera only had two of them and they were both used to patrol a single section of the Mississippi river when they controlled the entire planet at this point. As for tanks – yes at one point you use a tank against one in Resistance 1 named the Sabertooth and it was used by the Americans in large numbers in their intial push into England and the Invasion of America:
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    resistance.wikia.com/wiki/M-12_Sabertooth
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    But that was with the old Goliathes with the old weakpoints. The current Goliathes are bigger and their only known weakpoint is now gone. So yeah…. how is Skynet suppose to stop these things again?
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    Another point for the Chimera is this wonderful little weapon:
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    resistance.wikia.com/wiki/Cryogun
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    Yeah…. not seeing a Skynet victory here.
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    “Titanium doesn’t rust and that’s what they are made from titanium composite alloy. I don’t know what the fuck he’s talking about.”
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    Incorrect if we are talking about oxidation. To my knoweldge, every metal ‘rusts.’ Titanium just takes a long while to do it.

  45. knightbreaker117 September 19, 2012 at 4:20 pm -      #45

    Kenny C so are you saying that a simply hurricane can destroy or even dismember a low class T series .what is a car made of ? cheap , thin metal , and now what is a terminators made of Pretty hard steal am I right?

  46. Havoc September 19, 2012 at 5:26 pm -      #46

    Heres a quip from Resistance wiki on the Goliath
    “Given the Leviathan’s size of roughly 300 feet, it is about twice the size of the 150-foot tall Goliath.”

  47. Havoc September 19, 2012 at 5:28 pm -      #47

    KenneyC is quite right. They are way ahead of their, and everyone elses time.
    As far as the Leviathan goes, no weapon can destroy it-only irritate it. The death is only scripted in the story.

  48. Havoc September 19, 2012 at 5:38 pm -      #48

    The chimeran are known to adapt to any environment, any situation, against any enemy. Like Kenney mentioned about the goliaths, their weapons, their machines, their own monstrous band of hybrid-uh..hybrids continues to evolve to a tougher, better species. DO not think of them as zombies that run around scraping up flesh. They were capable of downing any of the resistances robotic structures, ships and machines, and are capable of doing it to Skynets. After all if humans could prevail, then the chimeran-A stronger species-could do it. Not only did the chimera come closer then a heartbeat to winning, they actually never really lost. In Resistance 3 they are not actually completely destroyed. The only blow that crushed them from taking over the world in a shorter time is due to Joseph Capelli closing the wormhole.

  49. Kenny C. September 19, 2012 at 7:09 pm -      #49

    “so are you saying that a simply hurricane can destroy or even dismember a low class T series .”
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    Very unlikely, but as one famous comedian said:
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    “It not that the wind is blowing, its WHAT the wind is blowing. ”
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    Quite honestly – the forces and amount of damage that is capable with a hurricane are astounding. Its simply a perfect fusion of high winds and heavy rain fall. Indeed, take a good hard look at a Terminator. See all that exposed machinery and otherwise open areas? Wouldn’t want all that to be sujected to 155 mph winds proppeling who knows what right into those sensitive areas, would ya?
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  50. BC September 19, 2012 at 7:18 pm -      #50

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    Considering most of the installations are nuke hardened a hurricane on top would probably be little more than an annoyance that damages surface installations and leaves the majority of the facility untouched. A large earthquake on the other hand could be a serious problem.

  51. Kenny C. September 19, 2012 at 7:36 pm -      #51

    “Considering most of the installations are nuke hardened”
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  52. BC September 20, 2012 at 2:12 am -      #52

    ” “Considering most of the installations are nuke hardened”
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    There are references in dialog to skynet being in facilities like Cheyenne Mountain though they may be in books rather than the movies (if so it may take a while to track them down), though from what I hear terminator redemption (the only terminator movie I have not seen yet) seems to depict skynet central as being a fairly shallow facility in what used to be San Francisco with the first T-800 factory underneath that. The original script for the Terminator movie has a fairly long lead-in and scene that shows the main facility deep underground, though that did not make it into the movie itself and I am not sure anymore if the movie novelization has it either. T3 shows one of the US Military facilities that skynet takes over for its own use as being a hardened facility, though I am not sure if that particular one is nuclear grade hardened or not. Either way it does not take an incredible amount of hardening to withstand hurricanes and tornadoes.
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    The facility in ‘Allyson from Palmdale’ shown in flashbacks turns out to be an aircraft carrier and they are considered hardened vessels, though not as hard as under a mountain of course:
    images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080930184841/terminator/images/7/79/Allison_Young.jpg

  53. shaun182 September 20, 2012 at 4:14 am -      #53

    The Cheyenne mountain complex, is skynet central in 2033, it does not exist at the time of terminator salvation, the time period being used for this match, skynets mainbase of operations was the one in San Francisco, the above ground exposed, manufacturing complex, John Connor destroys at the end of the film.

    Also I point out the radically improved t-800 series is not in combat production at the time of salvation, skynet only produced a single combat ready model, and the factory where it was building the others got destroyed, so it’s primary force is the slow and much easier to destroy t-600 model.

    And for those who will say skynet will just build a new factory or retrofit an old one to make t-800′s, remember it has to do this whilst facing an enemy who already have all their weapons and equipment in the field.

  54. BC September 20, 2012 at 5:03 am -      #54

    Unfortunately I am not very familiar with the stone age of skynet, just about everything I have seen or read is from the time of the first time transfer in the original movie or later with a few short background blurbs here and there from earlier.
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  55. Kenny C. September 20, 2012 at 10:08 am -      #55

    “Either way it does not take an incredible amount of hardening to withstand hurricanes and tornadoes.”
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    I just don’t see Skynet being able to do anything but stave off defeat until a Terraformer comes down and obliterates all of Skynet’s facilities. And then there’s the Goliathes… and the Stalkers… etc.

  56. Havoc September 20, 2012 at 10:18 am -      #56

    Steelheads also can survive direct hits from m40 grenades. Ya know all of the chimeran armies arent just the hybrids. They are constantly evolving to a more powerful being.

  57. Havoc September 20, 2012 at 10:20 am -      #57

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY0AUP8LzmE
    Watch this and see the leviathan in action

  58. BC September 20, 2012 at 11:41 am -      #58

    Something I do not get is why this thing is latest incarnation for the resistance game but the oldest weakest possible skynet from the terminator series? Usually both sides in these things are latest incarnation not latest vs earliest. Also both sides are usually undamaged or at least reasonably recovered from their latest canon defeat but apparently from the posts here it is assumed that skynet is still heavily damaged from Connors attack in the prequel movie.
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    According to the wiki (I do not have the game) plasma grenades are one of the more effective weapons against the chimera. If that is due to the heat or charge of the plasma not agreeing with the chimera biology and not just the fact that they are nasty grenades it could be significant. Skynet uses a lot of plasma weapons which might give it a slight chance of winning even limited to the moldy oldies available to it.
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    ” And for those who will say skynet will just build a new factory or retrofit an old one to make t-800′s, remember it has to do this whilst facing an enemy who already have all their weapons and equipment in the field. ”
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    Skynet would not be easy to find in the wreckage of a whole world if it chooses to lay low and rebuild. With facilities like Depot 37 scattered around it does have a good infrastructure to rebuild from if it needs to.
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  59. BC September 20, 2012 at 11:49 am -      #59

    I mixed the names up ‘redemption’ is supposed to be ‘salvation’ instead. I really should wake up more before I post things…

  60. knightbreaker117 September 20, 2012 at 2:19 pm -      #60

    Do you remember terminator 2 ,where that cop that was liquid / metal ? that was a t-1000 prototype , the newer one has no flaws , it can take the shape of anything it see even ,talk like them! Hide guns in side it’s bodies for stealth, assassin ,stobage operations.

    The way I see it is, T 1000 goes in there shake the cherima guard’s hand and take control of there hurricane machine , and use it against them.
    Win!

  61. Kenny C. September 20, 2012 at 4:10 pm -      #61

    “Skynet uses a lot of plasma weapons which might give it a slight chance of winning even limited to the moldy oldies available to it.”
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    Wrong. The timeline is wrong for that model and this is an alternate history where the previous models and knowledge concerning Skynet forces is irrelevant as shown by the Terminator Salvation plot. Also; all non-feral Chimera (smaller than a tank) have advanced machinery ‘hard-wired’ into them. The T-1000 is unable to reproduce complex machinery. So no.
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  62. BC September 21, 2012 at 1:50 pm -      #62

    “ “Skynet uses a lot of plasma weapons which might give it a slight chance of winning even limited to the moldy oldies available to it.”
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    I wasn’t aware that Terminator Salvation-era Skynet had plasma weapons. Link? “
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    I am not sure about the movie not having seen it yet, but the terminator salvation game has some plasma armed HKs at least. In general though plasma weapons and most other tech have no starting date listed because each iteration of the time loop is different. The T-800s in Salvation were a decade early for instance (one of the few things exact dates are known for), and it even had a pair of T-900 prototypes being worked on in the background (they are the ones with the glowing parts on the torso and limbs). Plasma weapons are so ubiquitous in the Terminator stories that no special note of them is taken in the future scenes, anything that leaves a purplish or blue-white tracer like trail or a beam is most likely a plasma weapon.
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    In the TSCC series skynet sends back units with information and plans for high tech devices like the plasma weapons and advanced terminators and whatnot to try to give itself a head start on the next cycle, that is probably what is happening in the Terminator: Salvation cycle so any tech previously used in earlier iterations is at least possible. There was even an advanced plasma weapon made from contemporary materials from plans like those placed in a safe deposit box in the 1960s that Cameron digs out in the 1980s and it is used against Cromerty before the one-shot time displacement device also in the bank is used to jump to 2008. And before someone points out that that is a different timeline branch the tech and general situation were supposed to be accurate to the progression of the movie events up to the point of the forward jump that split it off from the main line.

    “ Incorrect. Both forces are transported to a neutral planet – rubble free most likely and definitely not littered with abandoned bunkers and such. “
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    Except that the ‘bunkers’ if you are referring to things like Depot 37 are not abandoned, they are part of skynet and so would have to go with it in order for skynet to be there. There is no description of the ‘neutral planet’, it could be corescant for all we know, but whatever it is it is probably not a giant cue ball so everyone’s position would not always be obvious. The most likely configuration would be something that would fit with both sides so either cities or their wreckage would be there if that is the case since both the game on one side and the films on the other show such features.
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    Wrong. The timeline is wrong for that model and this is an alternate history where the previous models and knowledge concerning Skynet forces is irrelevant as shown by the Terminator Salvation plot. Also; all non-feral Chimera (smaller than a tank) have advanced machinery ‘hard-wired’ into them. The T-1000 is unable to reproduce complex machinery. So no. “
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    If it was a starwars Napoleonic style single battle I would agree with you, skynet is hobbled too much by the restrictions placed on it by the scenario to win a stand up battle like that. Guerilla action on a neutral world is a different story, especially with the T-800s and T-900s so close to general production and by inference the T-1000s probably waiting in the wings somewhere too. Skynet has some pretty heavy HK units too, including something that resembles a battlemech. Also if there are humans on this neutral world skynet could catch some and produce hybrids which is a new technology as far as the movies go though in the background of Salvation it was obviously around since before judgment day. For that matter it is vaguely possible that skynet is already aware of its Russian counterpart and has some wreckage with which to reverse engineer the TS-300 style terminators too. Having a bunch of Cameron style terminators around like that would be a big help since they are much more intelligent than the usual ones. The creator of this match hoggtied skynet very tightly, but it is still remotely possible that it could wiggle out and actually win.

  63. Doughiest Treat September 21, 2012 at 1:54 pm -      #63

    “www.ign.com/face-off/xbox-candidates”
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    WTF?! Admin, where’s the link I posted to the wiki? What the hell is this doing there?

  64. Doughiest Treat September 21, 2012 at 2:03 pm -      #64

    “http://resistance.wikia.com/wiki/Goliath”

    ^ the link I posted (without the quotation marks obviously)

  65. Kenny C. September 21, 2012 at 4:29 pm -      #65

    “I am not sure about the movie not having seen it yet,”
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    “The creator of this match hoggtied skynet very tightly, but it is still remotely possible that it could wiggle out and actually win.”
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  66. knightbreaker117 September 22, 2012 at 12:33 am -      #66

    I don’t see the chimera winning this fight.

    Like I said The T series are; fast, smart , good shooters, made of titanium , able to punch through metal , yeah just imagine what they would do to a chimera head

    Even though the other T series like the shape shifter 1000 , or The T – Meg wasn’t showed in the movie tremintor salvation doesn’t mean the weren’t created during that era

    I’m pretty sure that skynet would just dress up a terminator like a chimera and send him to high jack there stuff like your hurricane machine and use it on the chimera forces. Epic :)

  67. Kenny C. September 22, 2012 at 1:44 am -      #67

    “Like I said The T series are; fast, smart , good shooters, made of titanium , able to punch through metal , yeah just imagine what they would do to a chimera head ”
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  68. BC September 22, 2012 at 6:50 am -      #68

    “ I’ve seen it – don’t remember a single plasma weapon. “
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    The main difference seems to be that the technology is further along than it should be for the most part, probably from the efforts of the science team lead by Serena Krogan (who in turn may have been working with smuggled designs from Skynet in the previous iteration like is shown happening in TSCC). While it is possible that the tech is getting out of sync there is nothing that rules out liquid metal research or working T-1000 prototypes either. Skynet would not forget to push plans for its primary weapon system into the past to get a head start on it too, in addition it would most likely send the information and plans for the T-1000 along with the plasma weapon info. While the T-1000s have their limitations they are still too useful to put on the back burner for long.
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    Irrelevant. The machinery on the Chimera is a mix of tubes, jointed leg components, harnesses, lights, heat output units, etc. T2 canon states that a T-1000 is unable to replicate even the simplest of mechanical components. For instance: “
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    If they are so invincible it must be a boring game, since no one would be able to win against them… Seriously, inworld they obviously are not absolutely unbeatable or there would not have been a second or third game since the humans would have been wiped out completely in the first one. The humans having beaten them back enough to make a second and third game of it makes total invincibility a no limits fallacy. Skynet would have at least as much of a chance as the humans native to Resistance 3 have, especially with the hybrids produced in project Angel/project Theta possessing full human capabilities plus enhancements.
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  69. shaun182 September 22, 2012 at 9:06 am -      #69

    The T-1000 sent back by skynet was one of the original ones created, skynet actually didn’t create that many due to its far the actually might turn on it.

    Both the t-800 and t-1000 where sent from the 2033 timeline, not the 2018 timeline of salvation, in the film John Connor was surprised that skynet had actually begun work on t-800 and its pseudo-skin, it is difficult to believe that skynet could be just finishing one generation of terminator, whilst simultasly begin production are far radically advanced model.

    I might be wrong but I believe the t-1000 and t-x models where created to counter the growing number of now resistance controlled terminators, something the resistance wasn’t doing in 2018.

    However I must point out that the harvester and the h-k’s both possessed plasma weaponry in salvation.

  70. BC September 22, 2012 at 11:20 am -      #70

    It turns out the skin and the blood required for it existed in separate projects in 2008, Skynet took a while in the previous loop to stumble across the two and combine them. If it sent itself a message it could have gotten things ready much sooner like in Salvation. It makes me wonder why it bothered with making so many T-600s before going to more advanced models though.
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  71. shaun182 September 22, 2012 at 11:49 am -      #71

    The events of terminator: Sarah Connor chronicles, don’t count in this since, those events exist in a separate parrarel time stream, and are not connected to the salvation timeline, such as the Kyle reese of the primary timeline in the films doesn’t have a brother.

    So skynet cannot use any resources or technology shown in tscc, because it doesn’t have access to it in salvation.

  72. Kenny C. September 22, 2012 at 12:50 pm -      #72

    ” Skynet might be delaying the introduction of the man portable plasma weapons to the west coast to avoid making it easy for the resistance to get the weapons before the T-800s are ready.”
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    You haven’t done your research have you? The Terraformer only appeared in R3, The Goliathes got their non-weakness upgrade by R3 as well. Your argument is poor concieved and ignorant. Name one thing that Skynet has that can down a single Terraformer or Goliath. Answer – nothing. And don’t give me any sort of argument that a single heroic action by a lone infiltrator will turn it around in a poorly thought-out case of PIS and CIS. I can just as well argue that a lone ‘heroic’ Terraformer will blast Skynet’s entire army away in a single stroke.
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    ” And for the purposes of infiltration (at least until the Chimera eventually catch on to the trick) there is no need to ‘implant’ real Chimera tech into terminators; it just has to look like Chimera tech which does not appear to be that hard.”
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    False due to reasons listed above. Can’t replicated the technlogy sufficently (due to insufficent proof) and the Chimera are linked by a hive mind – making infiltration impossible.
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    “especially since the hydrogen cells are apparently common enough to leave lying around on tables and they make such nice tactical micro nuke substitutes without the regular nukes that are eliminated from this match.”
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    Against the rules. A nuke is a nuke. If the suggestor says ‘no guns,’ your reasoning doesn’t allow for pistols. No nukes can be used by Skynet in an offensive action – take it up with the poster or suggestor.
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    ” However I must point out that the harvester and the h-k’s both possessed plasma weaponry in salvation.”
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    Link?
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    Chimera victory. Skynet has nothing to counter an attack by a single Terraformer or Goliath. Or battalions of Stalkers. Or guns that shoot through walls. Or around corners. Or daisy chain between opponents. Or freeze them and shatter them with shockwaves. Etc.

  73. TheSorrow September 22, 2012 at 1:08 pm -      #73

    “Against the rules. A nuke is a nuke.”
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    Indeed, if a hydrogen cell uses fusion to power it, it’s a nuke.

  74. Housecracker September 22, 2012 at 1:13 pm -      #74

    chimera wins this hands down. well not hands down, it willl be a bloody war but in the end it will have the chimera coming out on top.

    the thing with the chimera is that they are extremely adaptive. once humans figured out that hitting the angels nests were the way to obliterate an chimera army, they hit them hard. once the chimera found out that they had a weakness the humans could use, they changed it. in 2 monthsthey changed it so the angels werent a major loss. they created something akin to a feudal caste system.

    another example is when they were trapped in russia they were behind the wall for 5 years i believe. during that time they went from using rocks and sticks to plasma based weapons. 5 years. it took us 3000 years to get to get to nuclear weapons, and our closest example of a plasma based weapon we have is the size of a modern tank.

    while the chimera will have rough times, they will win against the terminators, unless chuck norris shows up. then they are both doomed

  75. shaun182 September 22, 2012 at 1:17 pm -      #75

    The harvester, it has an energy based weapon, it only my believe it’s plasma based, due to knowledge that is the weapon system we know skynet later adapts for all it’s forces.

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=reyKfpfcjwA

    But if you have another idea what it might be, I am generally interested to hear others views on it.

  76. knightbreaker117 September 22, 2012 at 3:23 pm -      #76

    Please all skynet has to do is capture a chimera soldier and copy its DNA and starting making the skin tissue .

  77. Kenny C. September 22, 2012 at 3:45 pm -      #77

    “Please all skynet has to do is capture a chimera soldier and copy its DNA and starting making the skin tissue .”
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    Wouldn’t work. Chimera are linked by a hive mind system – so simply putting a Chimera suit over a robot wouldn’t fool them. I’ve already addressed this point several times, how about actually coming up with argument that’s valid? Even then – its going to take A LOT of infiltrators to take a single Terraformer. They’re pretty much floating fortresses.

  78. BC September 23, 2012 at 2:44 am -      #78

    “ The events of terminator: Sarah Connor chronicles, don’t count in this since, those events exist in a separate parrarel time stream, and are not connected to the salvation timeline, such as the Kyle reese of the primary timeline in the films doesn’t have a brother.
    So skynet cannot use any resources or technology shown in tscc, because it doesn’t have access to it in salvation. “
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    Technically TSCC uses the same technology and to a lesser degree the same general events as the movie series up to the point of the forward jump according to the writers, only the timing and details are different (like they are on any iteration). The paradox caused by the forward jump was apparently enough to branch the loop out from the main one and allow following iterations to differ from new iterations of the main loop, but that would not cause noticeable changes in events already underway because the events driving the changes are just being made. (At least up to the cliff hanger at the end of season two, that second forward jump would be a problem and would probably trigger another iteration of the TSCC sub-loop). There is no mention in the header of this debate that it is restricted to movie-only continuity so speculation using eu style sources is not specifically banned by it.
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    Kyle Reese may or may not have had a brother on the loop from T1; he simply does not say anything about it one way or the other in the first movie. In several other loops he is known to have a brother, an older brother named Derek in TSCC and younger brother named Tim in the comics. This is nothing unusual for paradox loop stories, people and events change though the overall loop conditions stay the same. In T1 Kyle was born after judgment day, in T2 and Salvation he was born before it, but he was the same person overall and minor event changes like that do not usually have much effect on the loop.
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    The same goes with other characters, with some even replaced by others in the same role but the role stays nonetheless regardless of who is in it. An example of a slightly more radical change is Kate. Kate is apparently part of the loop originating in T2 since she plays a part in the sending of the T-850 back in time to rescue John and her in T3 but in another loop she is replaced by a marine named Tara Holden as the wife of John Connor and Kate apparently does not exist.
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    “ You haven’t done your research have you? The Terraformer only appeared in R3, The Goliathes got their non-weakness upgrade by R3 as well. “
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    Which does not change the fact that if they were absolutely unbeatable as some claim the game would not have lasted for three episodes or whatever you want to call it. It can be assumed from the fact that it is a game that the humans can still win despite the Terraformer and the upgraded Goliath (unless the player can only take the side of the aliens) so the Chimera are not intrinsically impossible to beat. In the case of the Goliath unit type the fact that they do not have a known weakness to the weapons in the game does not necessarily mean that they do not have one at all, just that it is unknown. Nor does it mean that they are immune to everything; assuming that they are constitutes a no-limits fallacy.
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    “ False due to reasons listed above. Can’t replicated the technlogy sufficently (due to insufficent proof) and the Chimera are linked by a hive mind – making infiltration impossible. “
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    Nice assumption, but not supported by the link to the picture as the bionics did not appear particularly complex visually. Certainly not more complex looking than avant garde office furniture and fittings, bathroom fixtures, and eels. Faking lights is easy, all it takes is batteries and LEDs and other junk like that with liquid metal providing the framework. The hive mind connection would be impossible to reproduce if it is psionic and not tech, but it probably would not be necessary anyway until after a few incidents have alerted the hive mind to the fact that something is impersonating its physical components and that this is a problem.
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    “ Against the rules. A nuke is a nuke. If the suggestor says ‘no guns,’ your reasoning doesn’t allow for pistols. No nukes can be used by Skynet in an offensive action – take it up with the poster or suggestor. “
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    I agree it is a messy gray area that should have been defined. Stated as it is in the header it sounds more like a ban on purpose build nuclear weapons like nuclear missiles, bombs and artillery shells, not insanely fragile unstable power sources. A Goliath stepping on whatever uses those power packs would probably rupture them and set them off for example, and if nuclear power sources are not allowed in the debate then terminators and other skynet weapons using them would not be either (and probably skynet itself since it is doubtful it uses coal or whatever. Of course the important thing in an explosion is the energy released; if a drycell battery contained the same energy as a small tactical nuke it would produce the same result (minus the radiation) of the nuke if it is all released at once anyway, and the hydrogen cells being microfusion devices is actually just a popular assumption from the name and the mushroom cloud which further muddies up the situation.
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    “ ” However I must point out that the harvester and the h-k’s both possessed plasma weaponry in salvation.”
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    Link? “
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    How about this one:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bOFoxMp64w
    it does not show any HKs except for a Harvester and a transport, but the weapon used by the Harvester at least is certainly a plasma cannon judging by previous terminator movie SFX, and not only that it conforms closely to the advanced type the T-X uses (but on a larger scale of course) instead of the older lower energy Westinghouse type with the purplish corona. The power of the Harvesters bolt is quite high; it is a pity nothing worthy of its power level is ever shot at that I can find in the clips. The excess energy of the bolt fired at the car (at about 34 seconds into the clip) threw it clear out of the top of the frame; a distance of at least sixty feet straight up and there is no telling how much energy simply bypassed the overly small target to dissipate in the ground. In fact, since an explosion of that magnitude should have produced a visible shock front in the air and the shot failed to do that it is possible that the upward motion was induced at least partly by electrical repulsion as the car and the ground underneath it became strongly charged with the same polarity which hints at an extremely powerful charged pulse. The panel truck shot at a few seconds later more clearly shows the electrical arcing as the charges of the truck and the patch of ground under it attempt to equalize.
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    On a frame by frame analysis the Harvester cannon has the same prefire glow at the muzzle as the T-X gun and the same flare as it fires, the biggest difference being that the Harvesters effects are a hotter brighter white than the slightly yellowish T-X plasma gun effects. The Harvester’s bolt also moved faster, appearing as a blurred streak at least five or so times its width whereas the T-X bolt was accelerated to a much lower speed, being visible as an almost round brightly glowing mass with only a little streak effect. The SFX clearly show that they are the same weapon, only much more powerful in the Harvesters case.
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    Another telling factor in the matter of power level is that in neither of those sequences (the car or the truck) is there any sign of sheet metal or people or other more easily incinerated materials flying out from the explosions, they are apparently vaporized in the initial hit.
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    “ another example is when they were trapped in russia they were behind the wall for 5 years i believe. during that time they went from using rocks and sticks to plasma based weapons. 5 years. it took us 3000 years to get to get to nuclear weapons, and our closest example of a plasma based weapon we have is the size of a modern tank. “

    In the case of the terminator movie series the smallest example of a standalone plasma based weapon is the size of an AK47 more or less. And a few short years after the pulse rifle sized plasma rifles the T-X sports one in her arm that is not much bigger than her normal arm and hand (of course it does not have to store its own energy which helps keep the size down, it can run off her reactor instead).
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    Skynet went from ordinary late 20th century technology to extremely high tech robotics, power systems, energy weapons and time travel in a few decades, and is getting higher tech faster with each iteration.

  79. knightbreaker117 September 23, 2012 at 3:10 am -      #79

    Hey Kenny isn’t the chimera forces limited since its resistance 3 ?

  80. Mr. happy September 24, 2012 at 5:46 am -      #80

    Actually the chimera are at their height with 90% of the worlds population killed or converted

  81. Havoc September 24, 2012 at 6:38 am -      #81

    True! Only the pure chimera were stopped from entering earth, but the majority of the populous would be chimeran. If I did not mention this before I will again. The terminators were defeated, the Chimerans were not. They still have control of the earth. They were only stopped from wiping out all humanity, and bringing forth, the Pure race. But they still have Control.

    Yesterday well watching a guy play resistance 3, I saw a terraformer in the sky, and I have to say now that no skynet structure could stand up to the energy blasting bot. The chimeran forces, both beast and machine(the higher class ones) have the ability to shield themselves. The higher the class, the stronger the shield. The robotic ones are 5 times more powerful then the monsters. But they stop any projectile or missile from harming them. Only a certain type of grenade/gun can destroy the shield, and skynet does not have access to such weapon.
    Another thing. How fast do terminators, or whatever you call them, spawn? Humans spawn at a medium pace, robots? They can take quite some time, depending on the size and frame of one. Chimera are the quickest spawning creatures known. Able to nfect humans, dead or alive, and create themselves and worse nightmares from almost nothing/anything, Id say they have the lead. Even if skynet were to win, completely terminating(lol) them would take time. Much time for the army to respawn to the size it was or bigger. Skynet would take longer, thus well nursing their wounds, the chimera would have the ability to inflict much more grievous wounds in a faster rate. It might take some time to wipe out skynet, but after repeated assaults like this, they would wear their enemy down, like water does to a rock.
    Think of this, Humans Strong, Aliens Much stronger, Hybrids, Strongest. Robots are only so strong, so if humans can conquer them, surely a race composed of all the unholy things that tread the universe can. Unbeknownst to most, the chimera originally dwelt on earth. Approximately sixty-or was it six-billion years before humans were born, they dwelt. Another alien race attacked them, and they vied for the domination of earth. The other Unknown race smashed the chimera enough to cause them to leave earth. But they plotted, since the time they left, of their return and how they would destroy anything dwelling upon it. I forgotten, if it was a nuclear or some other bomb, which was the cause, of the explosion so great, the radio activity lingered in an area even in the time of humans. I believe Nathan hale was around that area once. Anyhow, the chimeran you guys talk about is only the taunted race of hyrbrids and infected scum. The Deadliest of the deadliest is yet to be seen, and that would be the Pure Chimera. Million times over, more powerful then the predecessors or the virus dirt bags. It was good thing Joseph, closed the wormhole or earth as we know it, would not be what it is today. Lol how do you like my history teacher style of telling a fantasy story?
    The ferals themselves could adapt to any climate or type. The military type could adapt to any enemy whatsoever. The chimera are well known for their ability to surprise the enemy. Surprise attacks are their specialty. Be it, a whole army, a death squad patrol, or a single hyrbid. You can think the entire patrol passed and next thing you know something from outside the window grabs you and drags you out to kill you. Sometimes the military would drop in a abandoned empty city to search for survivors and next thing you know the whole town is infested. That is one of the reasons why the demise of the chimera was a difficult one, because you never knew where they would turn up. Unpredictable is the word.

    Ill be back with more info once I get some sleep. I await your replies

  82. Havoc September 24, 2012 at 6:40 am -      #82

    and look at the muscles on the Hybrids

  83. ReDruM September 24, 2012 at 1:24 pm -      #83

    “True! Only the pure chimera were stopped from entering earth, but the majority of the populous would be chimeran. If I did not mention this before I will again. The terminators were defeated, the Chimerans were not. They still have control of the earth. They were only stopped from wiping out all humanity, and bringing forth, the Pure race. But they still have Control.”
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    The Terminators lost because they were their own doing or fate or both. The Terminator universe works in 1 big loop. John Connor was the leader of the Resistance. However he would not have been born if Skynet did not send the T-800 back in time to eliminate Sarah Connor which prompted the Resistance to send Kyle Reese back in time to defend her and who subsequently was impregnated. This caused Sarah to travel to and hide out in Mexico/South America where her picture was taken which was later given to John and then later still given to Kyle which gave him a head start over the T-800 due to Skynet not having any visual record of Sarah just a name meaning the T-800 had to eliminate all the Sarah Connors in LA. Her moving to Mexico/South American also allowed her to hook up with various mercenaries and freedom fighters who taught her advanced guerrilla tactics and computer espionage the knowledge she later imparted to her son who later imparted to the rest of the Resistance. Also sending the various T-Series back in time after John and Sarah allowed John Connor to get first hand experience on the strengths and weaknesses of the various T-Series as well as the confidence in the knowledge that he will eventually win regardless of what he faces so he never wavered in his command or second guessed himself. Fate is the basis of the series and it was Skynets fate to lose since it stacked the deck against itself .
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    “Yesterday well watching a guy play resistance 3, I saw a terraformer in the sky, and I have to say now that no skynet structure could stand up to the energy blasting bot. The chimeran forces, both beast and machine(the higher class ones) have the ability to shield themselves. The higher the class, the stronger the shield. The robotic ones are 5 times more powerful then the monsters. But they stop any projectile or missile from harming them. Only a certain type of grenade/gun can destroy the shield, and skynet does not have access to such weapon.”
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    Once again if Chimera gets access to Terraformers which count as WMDs then its only fair that Skynet gets nukes.
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    “Another thing. How fast do terminators, or whatever you call them, spawn? Humans spawn at a medium pace, robots? They can take quite some time, depending on the size and frame of one. Chimera are the quickest spawning creatures known. Able to nfect humans, dead or alive, and create themselves and worse nightmares from almost nothing/anything, Id say they have the lead. Even if skynet were to win, completely terminating(lol) them would take time. Much time for the army to respawn to the size it was or bigger. Skynet would take longer, thus well nursing their wounds, the chimera would have the ability to inflict much more grievous wounds in a faster rate. It might take some time to wipe out skynet, but after repeated assaults like this, they would wear their enemy down, like water does to a rock.”
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    They are created on an assembly line. The Chimera need fresh victims. No such victims are said to be present.
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    “Only a certain type of grenade/gun can destroy the shield, and skynet does not have access to such weapon.”
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    No limits fallacy. The Shield can be broken by sufficient damage not special guns.
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    “Think of this, Humans Strong, Aliens Much stronger, Hybrids, Strongest. Robots are only so strong, so if humans can conquer them, surely a race composed of all the unholy things that tread the universe can. ”
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    I already shown that the T-800 series can stop the mechanical press of a blast that is designed to resist nuclear strikes with 1 arm. That by-far supersedes any strength feat I’ve seen from a Chimeran ground unit. But beyond that the T-800 can crush an engine block of a car with its bare hands, tear titanium apart with it bare hands, and break itself free from being literally encased in solid titanium via pure servo strength.
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    “The ferals themselves could adapt to any climate or type. The military type could adapt to any enemy whatsoever.”
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    No Limits Fallacy. Bullets work just fine.
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    Anyway Chimera win this match due to unfair set up. Skynet is at basically the birth of its empire while the Chimera get everything in their arsenal. The match makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. 2030s-40s Skynet would stomp via nukes, T-1000s, T-Xs, Centurions, and Time Travel. Skynet would just wipe the planet clean of all life with nuclear fire since everything it needs is located under the surface.
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    Chimera for the FP Award.

  84. TheSorrow September 24, 2012 at 1:29 pm -      #84

    “Once again if Chimera gets access to Terraformers which count as WMDs then its only fair that Skynet gets nukes.”
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    Maybe so, but it’s no longer in the hands of the Match Suggestor. That’s something only an OP or the admin can overturn. Granted, I would imagine a limited amount should be given to either side, considering it’s destrucitve capabilities.

  85. Tech/Mana September 24, 2012 at 1:42 pm -      #85

    If the match stays with it’s current rules, I have to say Chimera takes this.

    Skynet is unable to get to any of it’s weapons that’d actually make it a fair fight. It’s a gunfight after you take away all the bullets for one side and seeing how it turns out.

  86. BC September 24, 2012 at 1:54 pm -      #86

    Just a few quick notes (I will have to do more detail later):
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    The “other race” that kicked the Chimera off the planet was most likely what the Celts called the Tuatha Dé Danann and other cultures have other names for them. The It is a common mythology found pretty much worldwide and has given rise to a lot of stories like Cthulhu and many other in modern times. They were super powered humanlike people or humans with powerful magic or sometimes giants or various sorts depending on the culture and story version even in the same culture.
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    This is looking more and more like a “fixed fight” pitting practically the entire world against Skynet which only actively operated in North America for the most part (it has a Russian counterpart that handles Europe and parts of Asia, but it is not Skynet unless the admin wants to include it as part of the Machines). On top of that it is latest incarnation of the Chimera against the earliest incarnation of Skynet so most of Skynets toys are still in development (give it another six months or so at its accelerated pace though to get the T-900s and T-1000s out and it could turn really ugly for the Chimera. The only advantage of using the Salvation loop Skynet is that it is advancing at a much higher rate than the previous ones and even so early in it is history it has improved the intelligence, durability, and maneuverability of the units over the original T-800 from T1. It also has the hybrids which have full human intelligence along with greatly enhanced physical and sensory abilities which it did not have in previous loops. It is still faintly doable if it can last long enough to get up to speed with its advanced units but the odds are even longer than I thought from watching the Resistance clips.
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    The setup being so bad that there is no chance at all for Skynet without time to build up makes it more of a stomp than anything else, and not worthy of an FP award at all. Awards are for hard fought battles between well matched opponents not shooting galleries with one side crippled by the setup.

  87. RandumDude September 24, 2012 at 11:59 pm -      #87

    I obviously kno Skynet are sum strong, hardcore mother fuckers but The Chimera are lots in population since the pupolate so quick, they have speacial abilities and come in lots of different sizes
    (the can be titan huge / shoot through walls with high-tech weaponry / Regenerate quickly / Have walkers, lot’s of them examples:

    manatank.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Resistance-32-e1330152683806.jpg
    snagwiremedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/resistance-2-screens-7-2-01.jpg
    images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081030093961/resistancefallofman/images/c/cc/Resistance-2-20080923112805810_640w.jpg
    manatank.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Resistance-3-Gameplay-Trailer-Screens-Reveal-Chimera-Brawler.jpg)

    Well, long story short, i play alot of resistance, i kno they r VERY durable and that duplicate in seconds with the fact that they build bases over-time n with carriers and their weird stuff they just might b able 2 make the dead Skynet robots into Chimera/ hybrid chimera soldiers!
    I don’t really kno much of Skynet then the fact that their robots, but idk their forms or special abilities, but just putting that out there…(not Final Decision)

  88. Havoc September 25, 2012 at 12:07 am -      #88

    True dat. The chimeran can convert any enemy to join their cause.
    Ooh the Brawler, I forgot about him.

    Dont forget the ravagers

  89. Havoc September 25, 2012 at 12:09 am -      #89

    I forgot, what is the dinasour called?

  90. RandumDude September 25, 2012 at 12:16 am -      #90

    Marauder @havoc

  91. RandumDude September 25, 2012 at 12:19 am -      #91
  92. Havoc September 25, 2012 at 12:34 am -      #92

    Thnx.
    Notice the drones patrolling in the background and the spire. Is hat a titan?

  93. Havoc September 25, 2012 at 12:34 am -      #93

    Thnx.
    Notice the drones patrolling in the background and the spire. Is that a titan?

  94. RandumDude September 25, 2012 at 12:37 am -      #94

    Yes it is, and u c that thing that lands on the floor with the thousand ticks n stuff, well those won’t be much of a use since u can’t infect a Robot, so those r useless…

  95. Mr. happy September 25, 2012 at 2:55 am -      #95

    @RandumDude
    yes it is

    @Havoc
    sorry but chimera require live host the dead r used for food

  96. BC September 25, 2012 at 4:35 am -      #96

    If the conflict is limited to something less than worldwide it would probably help, that or bring in other forces from the Skynet world, like the Russian equivalent of Skynet so it is not tens of thousands or more to one. At anything like parity the Skynet forces would take it easily enough, the Chimera foot troops seem to be reasonably easily killed using .303 carbines, weapons that terminators would laugh at (the T-800 in T2 took massed assault rifle fire from police and security without much trouble for example). Even the 40mm grenades that were blowing up small groups of Chimeran hybrids are not much of a threat to a T-800, (and probably the more numerous T-700) since the T-RIP took at least three to the chest and the most it did was throw it around. Terminators are tougher than the foot troops by quite a margin
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    The big ape like things (probably ravagers or stealheads, the clips are hard to interpret when never having played the game sometimes) would take more than assault rifle weapons to take out quickly, but with the T-600 standard loadout being along the lines of a minigun in one hand and a 40mm grenade launcher in the other that should not be much of a problem. Even the Goliath would eventually fall to heavy plasma weapons like the one shown on the Harvester, though an even heavier version would be better.
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    The flying things that kept attacking the boat in Resistance 3 seemed to be the equivalent of the early drones that are seen in T3 at most, Joseph kept taking them down with a shotgun hit or two, whereas the old skynet drones are shown to take quite a bit of hosing down by sustained fire from an AKMS 7.62 before they go down and they are the easiest unit type to defeat in T3.

  97. Havoc September 25, 2012 at 7:59 pm -      #97

    Yea. Its only logical that robots cant be infected by ticks

  98. Havoc September 25, 2012 at 8:00 pm -      #98

    The Big ape thing is prolly the Brawler.
    And what are these “Things” that keep attacking the boat? Longlegs?

    Another strain I forgot to mention is the swarm. They feed on metal so bullets of any kind can’t hurt them

  99. BC September 26, 2012 at 12:01 am -      #99

    ” And what are these “Things” that keep attacking the boat? Longlegs? ”
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    No, though there were longlegs and hybrids attacking it too at various times. I could not make out what the old guy called them when he yelled from the wheelhouse, but they were about the size of a big dog more or less and looked a little like a flying robot cockroach with vector thrusters. They seemed to be coming from dropships along with the longlegs and hybrids after they dodged the first Goliath shortly before they ran into the other two goliaths that blew up the boat with missiles.

  100. Havoc September 26, 2012 at 1:04 am -      #100

    Hmm would they be, by any chance, drones?

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