Dreadwing Vs VF-1A Valkyrie

Suggested By Steathranger

Both characters are making their debut in this battle! We have Dreadwing from the Transformers universe going up against the mech VF-1A Valkyrie from Macross.

For this match Dreadwing is in his Transformers Prime Incarnation, Valkyrie has its standard equipment and the battle takes place in a large abandoned space colony.

Who wins?

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26 Comments on "Dreadwing Vs VF-1A Valkyrie"

  1. GuardianAngel1911 September 12, 2012 at 8:12 am -      #1

    My moneys on Dreadwing. I don’t know about the Valkyrie but Dreadwing is probably the only decepticon that on his own with no extra gear and in a fair fight could match Optimus or Megatron. He’s definitely one of the most powerful main cast.
    Insecticons is a different story but those guys are their own animal entirely so ignoring them for now.

  2. StealthRanger September 12, 2012 at 8:13 am -      #2

    Dayum, wasn’t expecting this so soon. Thanks anyways tho
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    And fuck yes, Dreadwing gets debutted!
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    Anyways, going by the Valkyrie’s profile here: www.mahq.net/mecha/macross/macross.htm
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    Its top speed is at least Mach 3 ish, which it should be comparable to jet form Dreadwing speed-wise, and that its armed with Gatling guns, AA laser cannons and underwing missiles, although, does anyone have any feats of destructive capacity for them? Or does this mech have any feats of strength, speed and durability?
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    Dreadwing is strong/durable enough to be buried under several hundred tons of ice and break out shortly afterwards and physically stalemate Optimus Prime who can match Megatron who can one shot skyscraper sized Unicron Avatars with his fists. City block+ explosive devices (judging by one explosion in Ep. 6) and a heavy blaster rifle and he’s capable of fast sword swinging
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    Can post vids of feats later if anyone needs them (if I can get the episodes on YT seeing as half of them have been deleted due to copyright)
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    Leaning toward Dreadwing by a small margain atm

  3. GuardianAngel1911 September 12, 2012 at 8:44 am -      #3

    I’d say Dreadwing may be able to go above Mach 3 but can’t remember with 100% certainty what plane he is in jet form.
    As has been said he easily matches the strongest Autobot and the only other people besides Optimus to even bother Megatron was Bulkhead and an Insecticon, the Insecticon when Megatron’s weapons had temperarily been disabled by Arachnid and Bulkhead attacking him from behind. Bulkhead has barely managed to deal with an Insecticon but that was with Toxin exposure but the Insecticons had been around it too so hard to say.
    Still Dreadwing is the only one with no advantage to match either Optimus or Megatron.

  4. Tails111 September 12, 2012 at 10:57 am -      #4

    I’m going with Dreadwing easily. I’m not a huge fan, but he was actually defeating Optimus Prime, which is very impressive, and even if the VF-1A is a bit faster, Dreadwing seems to be quite durable.

  5. Sauroposeidon September 12, 2012 at 11:37 am -      #5

    Dreadwing transforms in to a Lightning II. While I’m loathe to limit a cybertronian to the specifics of their alt mode, a F-35′s top speed is roughly Mach 1.6. I really can’t recall how good of a dog fighter Dreadwing is, but he’s not really given a chance to dog fight very often at all in the show to be honest. The autobots really need to get some flight capable characters on board the show so we can have some of those. However, the sheer number of thrusters on the Valkyrie, giving it exceptional maneuverability, and the intermediate GERWALK mode aiding that, makes me think that the Valkyrie would be more nimble in the air, and it appears to be more heavily arms as well. I am inclined to say that Dreadwing is better armored, but the old Valkyries could take quite a few hits as long as they were not to anything vital.
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    If Dreadwing encounters the Valkyrie in the air, I suspect he’ll quickly find himself suffering the same fate as his brother. Getting disabled and then falling to his death. Conversely, a Valkyrie can do things like plow through a concrete overpass, so even if Dreadwing somehow got the upper hand and disabled the Valkyrie, the fight would still not be his as it would likely find a way to slow the descent and could probably even survive impact.
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    Dreadwing’s advantage here is smarts. The average valkyrie pilot isn’t as bad as a Decepticon drone, I’d put them more on Bumblebee levels of intelligent. Quick thinkers, good aim, they go for the openings that opportunity grants them. It’s not enough to deal with Dreadwing, who is second to top tier as far as the show’s intelligence goes. The top being Trypticon, Megatron, Shockwave, and Optimus.. and not in that order, I’d say. His penchant for explosives and his brute force in physical combat makes him a danger to engage on the ground. Both opponents here have human levels of speed and flexibility, but I don’t think the Valkyrie’s energy absorbing armor and high quality construction materials will save it from a handful of shots from Dread’s big cannon. I think a few shots from that thing would quickly maim the Valkyrie. The Valyrie has a slight advantage in a ranged gun fight, as its gun has a higher rate of fire and a higher bullet velocity, making it a harder weapon to deal with.. but Dread’s intelligence will allow him to rely on his bombs. I think the Valkyrie pilot would likely walk in to a trap laid by Dreadwing and then be finished off with a rifle round to the cockpit.
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    So my observation? 50/50, really. Dreadwing should have some stealth capabilities, but only from the front, if I recall. So I didn’t really take this in to consideration very much.

  6. TopaztheSpaz September 12, 2012 at 12:18 pm -      #6

    I have to agree with Sauro, in the air, the Valk is going to probably take the fight majority of the time, on the ground money is definitely on Dreadwing. I have to say This is one match I am really excited about. Would VF-1 pilots have that awesome or possibly updated versions of the targeting computers from Macross-0 the one that lets the pilot quick lock on multiple missiles and shoot them from the sky?

  7. BC September 12, 2012 at 12:55 pm -      #7

    Partly it would depend on exactly what the Valkyrie’s loadout is for the fight. Unlike the usual Transformer whose weapons are fixed the typical Valk can be carrying an even wider range of standard weapons and special gear than contemporary aircraft can, including reflex missiles with nuclear yields (a couple of those would wreak anyone’s day).
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    Also it is not unknown for them to occasionally carry Zentradi energy weapons in place of the GU-11 for that matter, which while it is not ‘standard’ and so not directly applicable to this debate, it does show the sheer versatility of the craft.
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    ” Would VF-1 pilots have that awesome or possibly updated versions of the targeting computers from Macross-0 the one that lets the pilot quick lock on multiple missiles and shoot them from the sky? ”
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    Since Macross-0 is a prequel they probably would. Anti-missile fire like that would help explain the tremendous number of explosions seen in battle scenes, and also be the reason the Zentradi spam so many missiles as a normal part of their combat style. By the time of the war it would be old hat, not worth showcasing with so much else going on.

  8. StealthRanger September 13, 2012 at 3:55 am -      #8

    “Partly it would depend on exactly what the Valkyrie’s loadout is for the fight”
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    Hmmm, I didn’t think that one through, I just went with the armaments on its stat page
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    What arsenal would make this match fair?
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    “reflex missiles with nuclear yields”
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    As in, actual town+ busting nuclear level attacks?
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    “I really can’t recall how good of a dog fighter Dreadwing is, but he’s not really given a chance to dog fight very often at all in the show to be honest. The autobots really need to get some flight capable characters on board the show so we can have some of those”
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    Eh, Autobots don’t have jet forms or w/e because they’re robots in disguise, who try to keep a low profile and land based vehicles work the best in this purpose because, well…. you don’t see fighter jets hovering above towns all the time, do you?
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    As far as dogfighting goes, only thing I recall is Laserbeak vs Wheeljack in “Triage”
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    “I think the Valkyrie pilot would likely walk in to a trap laid by Dreadwing and then be finished off with a rifle round to the cockpit.”
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    Then theres also the possiblity of setting up a ring of proximity bombs and luring it into a trap and exploding them all around the Valkyrie (basically above MOAB level DC), like with AA Starscream
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    As for his cannon, theres also those high explosive shells that create what appear to be small building+ level explosions on impact
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    In air combat, since I’m not sure how fast Dreadwing is…. yeah for now I agree that Dready loses because he’s not really much of a dogfighter compared to the Valkyrie
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    Just a few feats for Dreadwing:
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    www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCMc2nH_1M0
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    8:22: Tanks a blast to the chest from Optimus Prime
    8:34-8:37: Those high explosive shells I was talking about in effect
    8:39-9:23 and 14:26-15:26: Matches Optimus Prime physically (matches Megatron who punches apart skyscraper sized Unicron Avatars)
    8:50: Really fast sword swinging
    9:44: Is buried under what appears to be several hundred tons of ice
    12:36-12-45: Breaks out from said several hundred tons
    19:38: Several of Dreadwings bombs combined create what appears to be MOAB levels of destructive capacity going by sheer size of the explosion
    20:58-21:06: Not sure how fast this is, but I’d perhaps estimate to be super-hypersonic ish
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    See if I can find moar, but Dreadwing only has 2 episodes worth of feats, that was one of them
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    Either way, I’d think on the ground Dreadwing would be able to overpower the Valkyrie due to sheer physical power/brute force and his explosive weapons

  9. TrashMan September 13, 2012 at 6:49 am -      #9

    The question is – can Dreadwing survive a mascross missile massacre?

    Valkyiries seems incredibly nimble and can launch a crapton of powerfull missiles.

  10. TrashMan September 13, 2012 at 7:01 am -      #10

    This a fight showing an older Valkyrie model VF-0

  11. Sauroposeidon September 13, 2012 at 1:42 pm -      #11

    “As in, actual town+ busting nuclear level attacks?”
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    As in vaporize entire cities. We’ve all see what happened to the earth when it got coated in a reflex missile attack. Those are green lit for space only operations. I don’t see the Valkyrie being allowed (due to PiS, I guess?) to use that. If they weren’t in a (even abandoned) orbiting city, basically, maybe, but the debris from the attack would likely be a huge hazard too. I don’t see the Valkyrie having the needed range to use it either, as he small setting of just a single space colony means he’d likely be caught in his own blast or count as a ring out for leaving the colony to be able to use the weapons.
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    “Eh, Autobots don’t have jet forms or w/e because they’re robots in disguise, who try to keep a low profile and land based vehicles work the best in this purpose because, well…. you don’t see fighter jets hovering above towns all the time, do you?”
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    There are flying Autobots, though, such as the Aerial bots.. although I suppose giving the autobots a crack team of ace fliers who can gestalt in to a combiner as powerful as Superior would be a REALLY bad idea considering the Decepticons have nothing to offer in return right now.

  12. Sauroposeidon September 13, 2012 at 1:43 pm -      #12

    Superion*

  13. TrashMan September 14, 2012 at 6:39 am -      #13

    Fun fact:

    20mm canons are used on modern fighters and they can shread any known aircraft with ease

    The A-10 tank killer uses a 30mm cannon

    The VF’s use 55 mm gallting cannons with HEAP shells.
    Evidently the advanced armors they are made off are quite ressilient.

    Reflex missiles are only used in emergencies and aren’t standard loadout…the VF-S Super Valkyrie is the only one that uses them as standard, together with a FAST pack.

    A reflex missile destroys a 3km long Zentradi warship.

  14. Messmaker September 14, 2012 at 10:11 am -      #14

    www.macross2.net/m3/sdfmacross/vf-1a-valkyrie.htm
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    interesting page that seems to show the standard loadout for a Valkyrie

  15. StealthRanger September 19, 2012 at 8:45 pm -      #15

    “As in vaporize entire cities”
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    I thought so
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    “There are flying Autobots, though, such as the Aerial bots.. although I suppose giving the autobots a crack team of ace fliers who can gestalt in to a combiner as powerful as Superior would be a REALLY bad idea considering the Decepticons have nothing to offer in return right now.”
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    Yeah, I know, my point is that when you want to keep a low profile and want to get around quickly, land vehicles are the best option seeing as you don’t see jets flying above small towns all the time
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    Meh, Dreadwing’s bombs combined can cause MAOB+ level destruction, but thats all I can think of for it to stack up to the nukes thing

  16. StealthRanger September 19, 2012 at 8:46 pm -      #16

    *by stack up I mean the best it can do in DC, hurr durr

  17. TrashMan September 20, 2012 at 6:22 am -      #17

    I bet my money on the Valkyrie.
    It’s exceptionally nimble (quite redicolously so. There must be some interial dampening technology in those things for the pilots to survie such manouvers), both in air, space (has micro-thrusters everywhere) and on land.
    It has great firepower at it’s disposal, and the missiles are made to hunt redicolously nimble targets.
    Also, the head-mounted laser gives it additional firepower – as it can fired at the same time as the gun and be can used in close-quarters or melee combat.

    Deathwing has a swrod for CC, but I don’t see him capable of making efficent use of it – closing the distance would be extreemly difficult.

  18. BC September 20, 2012 at 11:58 am -      #18

    ” It’s exceptionally nimble (quite redicolously so. There must be some interial dampening technology in those things for the pilots to survie such manouvers), both in air, space (has micro-thrusters everywhere) and on land. ”
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    It looks like they use a combination of active g-suit technology and some kind of sophisticated damper (unlike the zentradi armor which only damps down to 18g and the pilot only wears passive g suit protection (in other words heavy spandex)). Zentradi are tough…

  19. StealthRanger October 25, 2012 at 9:17 pm -      #19

    Dreadwing has a new epic speed feat, where him and Megatron flew past Earth’s Moon in less than 10 seconds, which could put him in the hypersonic range
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    Bump

  20. StealthRanger October 25, 2012 at 9:23 pm -      #20

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoEo8DkCKqA
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    5:36-5:42 Dreadwing and Megatron fly from one side of the moon to the other to reach their space bridge
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    Thats the speed feat

  21. StealthRanger October 25, 2012 at 9:40 pm -      #21

    Speaking of TFP:
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    www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_153413&feature=iv&src_vid=qXEWbB8gGLs&v=3vWqEeYZxrg
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    Dreadwing’s going to be attacking Starscream in the next episode (coming out tomorrow btw)

  22. StealthRanger November 25, 2012 at 10:41 pm -      #22

    Anyways I’d say Dreadwing’s speed feat may give him the edge in the air if he can get the Valkyrie early on that is….

  23. Commander Cross November 25, 2012 at 10:54 pm -      #23

    I shall look up what’s on the Valkyrie’s end if that will mean anything.

    I just need to recall this:

    Is it the Robotech or the Macross version to gun for?

  24. StealthRanger November 25, 2012 at 10:56 pm -      #24

    Probably the Macross version as it was the one mentioned in the OP /shrug

  25. Sauroposeidon November 25, 2012 at 11:15 pm -      #25

    Look, I -miss- Dreadwing as much as the rest of you… but I still don’t think he has it in the air. Between his death and his brother’s we have definite durability limits set. The valkyrie easily exceeds those with it’s fire power.

  26. Dassadec December 5, 2012 at 8:49 pm -      #26

    I’d go with Macross VF they tend to perform better but Robotech Veritechs Have a superior power plant in that they are essentialy inexhaustable, Protoculture is ridiculous.
    Anyway, the VF takes this fight, too much mobility and mass firepower.

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