Suggested By Dualgunner
Here we have an all time favourite of mine Carnage (Marvel) going up against James Heller from the Prototype Universe.
For this match James Heller is current incarnation before absorbing Alex Mercer, and Carnage is in his most powerful incarnation.
The battlefield is all of New York City, both contenders are starting in Times Square; police and other armed forces are a factor in the battle.
Neither opponent can absorb the other.
If Heller stomps, he loses Critical Mass attacks.
If Carnage stomps, all of New York catches fire and they have to fight in that.
Who wins?
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Hmm, this could be a tough fight
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Haven’t played Prototype 2 yet, what kind of feats does Heller have?
Oops, hit submit accidentally
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Going with Carnage for now
Heller? Well he wiped out a cities worth of infected, absorbed Alex Mercer, rips tanks and helicopters in half for fun and can summon huge infected to help him do all of the above… For a start.
Would Pack Leader count as outside help?
Carnage’s most powerful incarnation? Looks like The Carnage Cosmic is in this match.
“Well he wiped out a cities worth of infected”
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Any further detail into this?
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“rips tanks and helicopters in half for fun”
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So basically the same strength levels as Alex all in all?
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“summon huge infected to help him do all of the above”
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I take it that these are similar to FF summons or w/e?
“Would Pack Leader count as outside help?”
I would expect so, so I think we have to rule out this ability.
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Carnage is pretty strong he can lift a helicopter with ease:
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Tears off a reinforced door with no trouble:
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While I’m here, I just want to vent that the Alex vs James fight was bull. Alex didn’t even use his armor, shield and muscle mass powers! And no devastators! If he had, James might have lost. Just saying!
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On topic, I can’t remember weaknesses for Carnage. We can assume that James might have the same disposition towards electricity.
Like Akuma said Cosmic Carnage is his strongest form.
“On topic, I can’t remember weaknesses for Carnage. We can assume that James might have the same disposition towards electricity.”
His main weakness is fire.
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“Like Akuma said Cosmic Carnage is his strongest form.”
I know but I got no feats on this version at the minute, so showing what normal Carnage can do for now.
I know, only said it because…..I don’t know if that would be a stomp.
I know but I got no feats on this version at the minute,
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I had that comic. The Carnage Symbiote wasn’t as creative as he was with Cassedy so he simply used the Cosmic beams and mixed it with spikes. He’s essentially the same just with an added strength boost (not confirmed) and the ability to fly.
That’s depressing, I assumed it had gone on a blood fueled min reality warping murder spree
Carnage will literally rip this foul mouth bastard apart. His strength enables him to lift 50 tons
@GuardianAngel1911: This is from my memory only, so I do recommend finding the two issues of the Amazing Spiderman 430 and 431. I would pull it out but besides not being home, it is in my large archive of comics.
I don’t have it or I would.
just a little throw in from me
i think we should go with the most recent kasady version which i think would be
carnage USA
“If Heller stomps, he loses Critical Mass attacks.
If Carnage stomps, all of New York catches fire and they have to fight in that.”
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Matches with safeguards like this are stupid.
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That said, I don’t think Carnage would lose if 50% of the world was on fire, with the other half catchin fast.
hmmmm.. this one will be actualy tough..
though i think carnage has a slightly better mobility adventage .. which doesn’t realy help .. i realy have no idea which i wanna go with ..
I want to say Carnage wins cause I know him.
This is tough. I love Carnage but I just can’t see him doing enough damage to Heller to put him down for good. I mean…blades don’t really strike me as Heller’s weakness. Then again, blades aren’t too effective against Carnage.
I despise Heller as a character and think he was the single worst part of Prototype 2. Anyone else feel that way? The guy’s a dick to literally everyone he meets and is then surprised when they end up ditching him, and he seems pathologically incapable of finishing a sentence without liberally sprinkling it with fuck and bitch. Oh yeah he’s also functionally illiterate even after consuming a couple scientists (youtube James Heller hates computers). That said I don’t really see him losing to regular Carnage, though cosmic Carnage is a different story.
This got posted! SQUEEEEE
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Does Carnage have any regenerative powers? After reading a bit, I see this match as something similar to “Alex Mercer vs T1000″ if that is true.
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As for Cosmic Carnage, what all does that entail, exactly?
1Carnage Cosmic doesn’t just use tentacles and cosmic blasts. He’s shown lashing around, dicing asteroids with his arms being used as blades. He stretched out his leg past a building just to TRY and kick Spidey
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Also, Carnage USA isn’t Cletus anymore, cuz that is after Sentry killed Cletus. I just know that Carnage has waaay more skill at using this kind of thing unlike James. And if we were to give Carnage SS as a host, well then yeah. Uber stomp is Uber.
Carnage is Cletus Cassidy in this fight.
“Also, Carnage USA isn’t Cletus anymore, cuz that is after Sentry killed Cletus. I just know that Carnage has waaay more skill at using this kind of thing unlike James. And if we were to give Carnage SS as a host, well then yeah. Uber stomp is Uber.”
-Apparently you didn’t read the first one. Carnage preserved Cletus for the two years it was in orbit, a corporation made it fall back to Earth. Cletus was still alive sans legs, but he got nifty robotic ones from the Corp that brought him back. So Cletus is still alive, and I’m rooting for him.
@Dr. Doctor: So I take it you are Dualgunner?
Yeah, my name on the topia.
“Does Carnage have any regenerative powers?”
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Yeah, Carnage has regeneration, but I’m not sure how great his regen is
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“So I take it you are Dualgunner?”
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Yeah, he is
Why do you use a different name here?
Because I liked the name “Dr. Doctor” better in hindsight.
I agree with wootmonger, though; Heller as a character stank. Too much swearing it surpassed my Willing Suspension of Disbelief.
Carnage Cosmic is Silver Surfer with the Carnage Suit, right? I am unfamiliar with SS, but isnt he a reality warper?
“I am unfamiliar with SS, but isnt he a reality warper?”
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No, Silver Surfer doesn’t have reality warping. He controls matter and energy
I am assuming Cosmic Carnage retains these abilities, then?
I’m not entirely sure as I don’t know too much about Cosmic Carnage
Yeah, Carnage Cosmic gets all of SS’s abilities i would assume. In the comics however it never gets that far, due to SS giving Carnage back to Cletus to save him from Stomach Cancer.
How about we reword “Strongest incarnation” to “Strongest incarnation as Cletus”, since I wasn’t planning for anything close to AS vs Heller.
*SS. On FP mobile.
I like Alex Mercer better than James Heller
“While I’m here, I just want to vent that the Alex vs James fight was bull. Alex didn’t even use his armor, shield and muscle mass powers! And no devastators! If he had, James might have lost. Just saying!”
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QFT
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“I despise Heller as a character and think he was the single worst part of Prototype 2. Anyone else feel that way? The guy’s a dick to literally everyone he meets and is then surprised when they end up ditching him, and he seems pathologically incapable of finishing a sentence without liberally sprinkling it with fuck and bitch. Oh yeah he’s also functionally illiterate even after consuming a couple scientists (youtube James Heller hates computers). That said I don’t really see him losing to regular Carnage, though cosmic Carnage is a different story.”
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Also QFT
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I’m guessing if its Carnage Cosmic, Carnage wins. If not, the Heller wins.
“If not, the Heller wins.”
-Even Cletus Carnage could make doppelgangers of himself if it/he eats enough.
So… I just remembered about Spider-Carnage… Use him instead of SS? IF memory serves, Spider-Carnage is fucking innnsane.
Is Spider-Carnage Cletus, or Parker?
Neither. Its actually Ben Reilly who’s Spider Carnage
Although if you REALLY wanted too(Idk if this would count though) we could use Spider, which is the merged form of Carnage and Spider-Man.
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Either way thou, Spider-Carnage is a beast. All feats each share would be used here(Obviously), and as far as i’m aware Ben Reilly does everything Parker does, minus the further evolved mutation of bio-webs, stingers and a connection to The Other.
@Drifter:
I think we should stick to Cletus Cassidy’s strongest incarnation as Carnage.
“While I’m here, I just want to vent that the Alex vs James fight was bull. Alex didn’t even use his armor, shield and muscle mass powers! And no devastators! If he had, James might have lost. Just saying!”
I 100% agree with you, Alex is the main star, hell in Prototype you have cooler powers, better movement, speed and stronger attacks unlike Prototype 2.
Why didn’t Mercer stomped Heller?
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“I despise Heller as a character and think he was the single worst part of Prototype 2. Anyone else feel that way? The guy’s a dick to literally everyone he meets and is then surprised when they end up ditching him, and he seems pathologically incapable of finishing a sentence without liberally sprinkling it with fuck and bitch. Oh yeah he’s also functionally illiterate even after consuming a couple scientists (youtube James Heller hates computers). That said I don’t really see him losing to regular Carnage, though cosmic Carnage is a different story.”
100% agree.
It’s like “hey you, you like Mercer? yeah? ok then here, kill him”, bunch of fucking idiots, they killed Prototype, I’m glad they didn’t get permission for Prototype 3 because they deserve to be punished for screwing the fans like that.
YOU DON’T humiliate and kill a main character that people are still adoring (specially so soon), lol I remember how everybody talked about how awesome Prototype 2 would be (Expecting Alec as main character), and then to get fucked like that.
What where they thinking?
Who the fuck came up with that Idea?
Did they not suspect by a little on how this decision will affect their reputation?
Prototype had freaking potential for a long time game and sequels (with reputation and time a movie perhaps).
They fucked up and I still can’t get over it, please erase Prototype 2…… and make it all over again from scrap…… and do it right!
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I would like to know what Carnage can do, by now he seems similar to James, if absorption is not a viable method to kill this two infinitely regenerating monsters (can carnage do that), then James must know Carnage’s weakness.
And what was Carnage made out of?
You know, honestly they could have continued by saying, since Mercer is the larger conscious (having been the virus longer and having absorbed more people), then Heller absorbing him just gave Mercer that much more biomass.
A possible sequel idea could be Mercer vs Heller, warring for which had conscious control over the “body”. It would have made an interesting plot, in my opinion.
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Carnage’s two major weaknesses are the same as Venom’s, if I remember correctly, sound and fire. However, Heller is nowhere near Mercer’s intelligence level, so whether he could figure this out or not, who knows.
“Heller is nowhere near Mercer’s intelligence level”
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why?
Youtube “James Heller hates computers”. Mercer came from a background of bioscience and virology, Heller comes from a background of “My family was killed and I am an ex soldier GAAAAAHHH”.
Which could possibly have driven him to achieve higher goals for himself, in his non supery time.
He does not display much personal intelligence in Prototype 2. As a matter of fact, even after absorbing a scientist, and all the memories and experiences that entails, he shows ineptitude and using that same scientist’s computer.
As for strategic abilities, when faced with a Brute, Mercer led an entire pack into a trap to conserve his own energy. Heller just took them on without thinking very much about it.
And how did things turn out for the latter?
About as much as you’d expect any brutish asshole who can regenerate nigh infinitely and has incredible agility, strength, and durability to to turn out. He won, it took him longer and it took more effort, however.
Against Carnage, that might work, but while being given all of New York to feast upon would be a huge boon for Mercer, who would probably lead Carnage into traps where the scenario would be more suited to Mercer, Heller would probably just engage in the middle of Times Square and not think about regenerating until it’s too late.
“He won”
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EXACTLY! It may seem as though he puts 0 thought into his actions, but who says he isn’t a god-level strategist, who planned all of it out, by already weighing all the possibilities in and against his favour? You call him a brute, I call him a genius – the pinnacle of all mortals.
That doesn’t mean he isn’t smart, he is just mad and doesn’t wan’t to do anything other than fight, but he gets smarter as he consumes people (You can learn to fly a helicopter just by consuming a pilot, in other words, Mercer is a genius for just eating a bunch of scientist, a world record breaking marksman for consuming countless soldiers and the best fighter pilot in the world), it’s hard for me to believe that someone like Mercer will just let himself be defeated by Heller, he is suppose to be smart enough to kick his ass or have anticipated the outcome of his actions.
You see, there’s something fishy here.
@OMEGAMI
Perhaps Mercer meant for Heller to become some kind of weapon no matter what happened?
It could happen.
Heller’s style of combat intelligence…it kind of reminds me of some very familiar cases I recall all too well, I don’t know if I can say anywhere near why that is.
Its definitely not Brain-baby Athena’s style of combat intelligence, that’s for sure.*
1.) (5 bucks to the 1st person to catch my drift on this!)
I concede on the idea he is not an idiot, but he is reckless in a lot of situations. My question is, could he learn what Carnage’s weaknesses are, and if he did, could he exploit those?
As for Carnage, can he stand up to Heller’s attacks either way? I heard someone say he can clone himself, does anyone have any scans to prove this?
“While I’m here, I just want to vent that the Alex vs James fight was bull. Alex didn’t even use his armor, shield and muscle mass powers! And no devastators! If he had, James might have lost. Just saying!”
I agree. Mercer should’ve been able to sodomize Heller. I hate that they removed the muscle mass ability though, it was my favorite.
Anyways, I think Heller should be able to beat Carnage. Heller is fairly strong(probably as strong or at least close to)Alex’s strength. The guy casually dodges missiles in combat.
Crap, posted too early, sorry…… He also has that devastator(although takes forever to use)and the pack ability that was mentioned earlier. So are we going to rule that one out, or is he going to be able to use it?
Dr.Doctor, Heller knew that the only way to finish Mercer was to consume him, he also knew that he had to beat the biomass out of him in order for a successful consume.
He really wanted to kill Mercer, but even then he knew how to kill him.
So this must tell us that if he didn’t have the ability to consume, he will find another way of putting Mercer down.
Yes, he doesn’t think when his going to fight, but those are monsters that he can kill by just fucking them up (except Mercer who he weaken and then consumed), I’m pretty sure that he will try something different after noticing he can’t put it down nor consume.
“why?”
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Well for starters Alex Mercer started out as one of the world’s leading scientists, able to manufacture the deadliest virus in human history. James Heller starts out as a technologically illiterate and almost literally illiterate grunt. Alex Mercer has also spent more time consuming people and acquiring their knowledge than Heller has. Mercer started out smarter and had more time to get smarter via eating people so I’d say it’s safe to conclude he is in fact smarter than Heller.
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“EXACTLY! It may seem as though he puts 0 thought into his actions, but who says he isn’t a god-level strategist, who planned all of it out, by already weighing all the possibilities in and against his favour? You call him a brute, I call him a genius – the pinnacle of all mortals.”
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If we stuck Steven Hawkings in a ring with say a football player who do you think would win? Do you think this has anything to do with the football player’s intelligence? Heller won because he was faster and stronger than Mercer and because PIS prevented Mercer from calling on his horde of minions (they were after all in the middle of his stronghold).
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He’s theoretically really damn smart having consumed a bunch of scientists and all but he really likes acting like a moron for some reason. Speaking of Carnage’s weaknesses, would his weakness to sonics render him vulnerable to Heller’s overwhelming and constant barrage of Tourette’s spasms?
“…that he had to beat the biomass out of him in order for a successful consume.”
One argument could be, he knew he had Mercer’s powers, and had an idea of what did not work against himself, so he used that knowledge. That does give him logic and common sense, and it can also be argued that Heller is not in an absolute bloodrage, so he won’t be mindless in his attacking.
I find myself in agreement with wootmonger, though. Mercer has had a lot more time, and started ahead of, Heller in terms of gathering and retaining intelligence.
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I am not an expert on Carnage, however. The only “solid facts” I know are from a wiki, stating he can fight continuously for 24 hours without tiring and has strength in the 50 ton range. Whether or not this is true, I do not know, for there were no citations on the wiki. If anyone can prove/disprove these claims for strongest incarnation Cletus Cassidy Carnage, we can get somewhere.
@wootmonger:
“You little fucking red motherfucking bitch motherfucker are fucking going down motherfucker!”
lol
PIS, I introduce PIS to you all, because you have to be stupid to make a poorly thought out plot to kill Mercer.
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“If we stuck Steven Hawkings in a ring with say a football player who do you think would win? Do you think this has anything to do with the football player’s intelligence?”
Except Mercer is Steven Hawkings and a football player at the same time.
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“Heller won because he was faster and stronger than Mercer and because PIS prevented Mercer from calling on his horde of minions (they were after all in the middle of his stronghold).”
Heller is not faster and stronger than Mercer, Prototype 1 felt a lot more devastating and more powerful than Prototype 2, Alex did nothing similar to that of Prototype 1, If I had a copy of myself and one picks Mercer and the other Alex, Alex would win.
No armor mode, no shield, no devastator, no whip fist, slower movement, dumb AI and poorly programmed actions made Alex a wimp.
Alex doesn’t need to call minions.
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Get this over your heads.
Prototype 2= FAIL!
They screwed up, Mercer was not suppose to die, this was there way of giving the fans the middle finger.
And whoever accepts this “great success killer”, hasn’t played Prototype 1, or just hates Mercer.
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You think I’m wrong?
Guess who won’t be making a sequel for pissing off the fans and the company.
And this is already a fact.
“Except Mercer is Steven Hawkings and a football player at the same time.”
Woot is arguing against the idea Heller is smarter than Mercer, and you are arguing Mercer is better than Heller, so you attack Woot’s statements?
I think it’s generally agreed everyone hates Heller and Prototype 2, here.
Also, see Post #47 for my personal way to save the plot.
“My question is, could he learn what Carnage’s weaknesses are, and if he did, could he exploit those?”
It is possible, with the sound I doubt he wil but sound attacks are useess against Carnage anyway. With the fire I am sure with all the choas they will cause they will cause a fire to start somewhere, maybe if Heller notice Carnage trying to avoid it or something he may put two and two together.
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“As for Carnage, can he stand up to Heller’s attacks either way?”
Carnage is pretty agile and fast being able to dodge Spiderman’s attacks, not sure how fast spiderman is compared to Heller though.
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Carnage has taen a direct hit from Firestar in Spider-Man #36, I still need to upload a few feats for carnage in his Respect thread on the Topia.
“Do you think this has anything to do with the football player’s intelligence?”
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If we put two people of the same abilities, strengths, etc with the exception of one being more tactically superior in a boxing match who do you think would win? As I honestly have no idea if tactics even matter.
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What’s my point? I’m not sure…
I’d to put in my 2bits about Hellers intelligence. He’s a soldier right? So that means he was taught tactics and strategy correct? Let alone tactics and strategies against this kind of thing right(Via being apart of a squad or whathaveyou to deal with Blacklight) So he sure isn’t going into this fight like an a-typical Football player. He’s going to know that at the very least that Carnage could probably do whatever the fuck he wants with that suit. Hell, he might not even know about Cletus being a host organism.
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Also, what the hell is he going to do against something that has the reaction speed to make it so Spiderman has to just be lucky not to get skewered by this thing? There is a reason this dude makes so many herores crap themselves.
The problem is, even if Heller cannot dodge Carnage, getting skewered gets you about as far towards winning the match as lifting a pebble will to making you the strongest human in the world. Heller’s regen is on par with Mercer’s, as is his durability.
But for Heller to cntinue to regenerate he will need to continue to consume biomass, though there is police and armed forces around I highly doubt Carnage will give Heller a chance.
“But for Heller to cntinue to regenerate he will need to continue to consume biomass, though there is police and armed forces around I highly doubt Carnage will give Heller a chance.”
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True story, most likely while they are fighting, Carnage will just be killing everything around them while fighting Heller, its just his MO, lol.
Wait for this battle will heller have every mutation possible in the game? If so there is one that makes sidearms and assualt rifles useless. So the police will be nothing but dead meat as i doubt they will have anything other than sidearms and other forces may be screwed to unless they have Rocket Launchers.
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Can’t really remember if guns even effect Carnage.
Unless they’re basically flaming sable supersonic rounds, No. lol.
@Hitman:
He has all possible mutations.
Does Carnage have a counter to the Bio-bomb?
@Dr. Doctor
random but I don’t suppose you could give me a calc for an explosion of six bricks of C4, and three standard charges of C4?
“Carnage is pretty agile and fast being able to dodge Spiderman’s attacks, not sure how fast spiderman is compared to Heller though.”
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If I read correctly, Mercer and Heller are quick runners but they generally tank damage rather than just avoid it. Could be wrong though.
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“Can’t really remember if guns even effect Carnage.”
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Considering he’s superior to Venom, who tanks them just fine, they’d tickle him at most.
“But for Heller to cntinue to regenerate he will need to continue to consume biomass,”
Only if Carnage rips off the biomass from his body, putting a hole into Heller or slicing his body won’t take biomass away unless you slice a chunk right off.
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There is a fight between Alex and Venom around here.
I think Carnage is stronger than Venom, Alex is stronger than James.
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Alex is allot stronger than James, James doesn’t have muscle mass, and he is not as strong as it just because he doesn’t have it, Because James is a soldier and all that I guess he is a little bit superior in strength than Alex, but muscle mass allows Alex to create shock waves than turn people into paste, Alex can make himself 5X stronger than Heller just by going Muscle mass, another example of Heller not having the great variety of attacks like Mercer.
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And I prefer to call Alex “ZEUS”, even tho he has nothing to do with electricity.
“Alex is allot stronger than James, James doesn’t have muscle mass, and he is not as strong as it just because he doesn’t have it, Because James is a soldier and all that I guess he is a little bit superior in strength than Alex, but muscle mass allows Alex to create shock waves than turn people into paste, Alex can make himself 5X stronger than Heller just by going Muscle mass, another example of Heller not having the great variety of attacks like Mercer.”
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Heller *does* have Biobomb and the Tendril attack, so unlike Mercer, Heller have attacks which invade the enemy’s body and explode from within, which in this case could be seen as attacks directly through the Carnage Suit and to Cassidy himself.
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In order to use Biobomb on Carnage, he would need to close distance between them fast, but it sounds like Carnage is a mid-to-short range fighter, so that may be a problem. Tendrils may be able to help, though:
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“Tendrils:
The Tendril power is a unique ability developed by James Heller, replacing the musclemass adopted by Alex Mercer.
The tendrils unleashed by Heller are capable of lifting and tearing apart cars and military vehicles, ensnaring powerful infected beasts, and even ripping large groups of enemies to shreds.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBagGCyg9JA
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNjQ…;feature=fvwrel
www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_011-qUN5U
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZoZwOV09mU”
“@Dr. Doctor
random but I don’t suppose you could give me a calc for an explosion of six bricks of C4, and three standard charges of C4?”
You’re gonna have to give me a little bit for that.
@Dr. Doctor
no rush.
Also your avatar reminds me. I’ve been debating about having a match with Dresden and Edward Elric as a team.
How reliable would you guys say outskirtsbattledome is? They have Mercer and Carnage listed both as having supersonic reaction times, and giving Heller 100+ lifting capabilities.
@CH1C4N0444:
Do they show calcs and evidence of feats?
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Carnage lifting a chopper.
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It’s hard to find feats for him but powerscaling off Venom, he should be able to do most of what he can do and then some namely bullet timing, regeneration, and superhuman durability.
No, I’m not sure how they scaled for Carnage, but for Heller they somewhat scaled him off of Mercer(which again they don’t show calcs and what not).
@C:
Then I would not call the claims exactly reliable, it would be like using a wiki without citations or feats that calcs are gathered off of.
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Though, like Mercer, Heller is a casual car-lifter, able move almost unhindered while carrying a vehicle. This may also serve as a counter to Carnage’s copter lifting feat.
I do not think they will be arm wrestling, though, Carnage has a wider field of attack than Heller, presumably. (barring Heller’s whipfist and tendril powers)
“If we stuck Steven Hawkings in a ring with say a football player who do you think would win? Do you think this has anything to do with the football player’s intelligence?”
“Except Mercer is Steven Hawkings and a football player at the same time.”
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They’re both Steven Hawkings and a football player at the same time, but Mercer is more Hawkings and Heller is more football player.
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“Heller is not faster and stronger than Mercer, Prototype 1 felt a lot more devastating and more powerful than Prototype 2, Alex did nothing similar to that of Prototype 1, If I had a copy of myself and one picks Mercer and the other Alex, Alex would win.
No armor mode, no shield, no devastator, no whip fist, slower movement, dumb AI and poorly programmed actions made Alex a wimp.”
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While I agree that Prototype 2 Mercer was rather seriously gimped and Heller is lacking some options, most notably armor mode, the game makes it pretty clear Heller is both faster and stronger than Mercer. In game Heller indeed has a faster straight line speed than Mercer, though he loses more speed when parkouring, and he jumps slightly higher. Also remember how helicopters and super soldiers/hunters would eventually catch up to Mercer? Nothing in the game can catch Heller once he maxes out mobility. I don’t like it and it makes no sense but that’s the way it is.
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“If we put two people of the same abilities, strengths, etc with the exception of one being tactically superior but afflicted with plot induced stupidity and the other being physically superior in a boxing match who do you think would win?”
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Fixed for you.
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“Also, what the hell is he going to do against something that has the reaction speed to make it so Spiderman has to just be lucky not to get skewered by this thing? There is a reason this dude makes so many herores crap themselves.”
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Carnage and Venom actually have an edge on Spiderman since they don’t trigger his spider sense.
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“But for Heller to cntinue to regenerate he will need to continue to consume biomass, though there is police and armed forces around I highly doubt Carnage will give Heller a chance.”
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Going from the animation a devastator really should be increasing his mass instead of using it since he reabsorbs everything he sends out and then some of the stuff the tentacles impaled. End of the game supports this (he absorbed all infected life in the city). Which by the way is yet another thing Prototype 2 Mercer didn’t exploit.
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“Wait for this battle will heller have every mutation possible in the game? If so there is one that makes sidearms and assualt rifles useless. So the police will be nothing but dead meat as i doubt they will have anything other than sidearms and other forces may be screwed to unless they have Rocket Launchers.”
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Rocket launchers wouldn’t help much either. Heller’s upgraded shield can bounce them back at the shooter, same with helicopter missiles.
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“Alex is allot stronger than James, James doesn’t have muscle mass, and he is not as strong as it just because he doesn’t have it, Because James is a soldier and all that I guess he is a little bit superior in strength than Alex, but muscle mass allows Alex to create shock waves than turn people into paste, Alex can make himself 5X stronger than Heller just by going Muscle mass, another example of Heller not having the great variety of attacks like Mercer.”
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I wouldn’t go that far. Heller can do the shockwaves turn people into paste thing too. Gameplay-wise I can see why they removed it. It frankly wasn’t very good. It wasn’t even a jack of all trades, it was mediocre at everything. The new tendrils are a lot more useful. Not sure why they removed armor mode though. The upgraded shield is nice but armor mode made you look so cool…
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“Do they show calcs and evidence of feats?”
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Probably in game stuff; most cutscenes don’t show combat worth mentioning (which is nice because you do it yourself once the gameplay starts). He can lift a tank over his head, run up the side of a building with it, and toss it at a helicopter a couple city blocks away.
@woot: Do you think biobomb and the tendrils attack would be at all effective against Carnage?
“They’re both Steven Hawkings and a football player at the same time, but Mercer is more Hawkings and Heller is more football player.”
It’s just stupid, because Steven Hawkings can’t walk and that’s a stomp against a football player, and that’s not the case with Alex.
And Alex is the better football player.
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“the game makes it pretty clear Heller is both faster and stronger than Mercer.”
I will only believe that if the Prototype 2 Mercer did all that I stated, they made nothing clear if they limited him to what he doesn’t do in as seen in Prototype 1.
I just can’t say Heller is better than Alex if they gave us a poor example of the fight, that Alex Mercer didn’t even fought and used his brain like the real Alex, thus making it look like Heller is better.
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“If we put two people of the same abilities, strengths, etc with the exception of one being tactically superior but afflicted with plot induced stupidity, who do you think would win?”
Fixed.
PIS is what killed Mercer, not Heller.
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And Alex has being a around longer than Heller, he has eaten more, so he would be above Heller in smarts by a lot, but PIS favored Heller.
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Once again, I would love to stop thinking of the screw up in Prototype 2.
Notice also: if you ever attacked Merger in that fight with the same weapon he was using, he would toss Heller aside easily, showing superiority with like powers between the two.
*Mercer. Stupid phone Dx
@Admiral at #79
Add Percy Jackson(CHB) Haseo(dot hack universe) Hank J. Wimbledon(Madness) or even Travis Touchdown(from No More Heroes) to that group you might have in mind and IB says I’ll totally be in there, at the very least.
Then again with Slacker’s latest projects, anything can happen.
@Dr. Doctor + OMEGAMI
Any new findings in the match, thus far?
“Rocket launchers wouldn’t help much either. Heller’s upgraded shield can bounce them back at the shooter, same with helicopter missiles.”
But could Heller focus both on the soldiers and Carnage? Maybe with his whipfist and tendrils.
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“Does Carnage have a counter to the Bio-bomb?”
I don’t recall Carnage ever having attack similar to a bio-bomb. However I don’t see Carnage struggling to dogde these.