Suggested By Soldier’s Shadow, Matapiojo, Jwlynas and Commander Cross
Here we have two powerful universe going head to head!
For this battle the Supernatural verse is at it’s peak but no God or Archangels for the SPN side.
All Skulduggery characters are at their peak pre-Death Bringer but the “The Faceless Ones”, and Lord Vile/Darquesse are absent.
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The Supernatural trio aren’t that special really.
“Soldier’s Shadow, Matapiojo, Jwlynas and Commander Cross”
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I get the feeling this is gonna be one hell of a debate.
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Let the flaming begin.
By “God” do you mean God Castiel? As God isn’t technically in the show he’s always “missing”. Do the Supernatural crew get Lucifer and the Horsemen?
@Ruliya
I am guessing Lucifer and Horsemen are allowed as they weren’t mentioned to be discounted.
@Dough
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It’s the whole universe.
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For the match, Lucifer is an archange thus banned. Horsemen are in play however.
There are only 5 things in all creation the Colt cannot kill. I’m wondering how Boney Face and his compatriotes will handle that.
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Supernatural’s Death is petty OP though. Guess I’ll wait to see what other’s such as J and CC contribute.
What does Skullduggery do? i really only see name drops with him.
Death is neither God nor an Archangel and he moves around moons.
Death is just about on par with God.
Ive read the skulduggery pleasant series. It’s really good. I have no idea about the Supernatural team. My vote goes for the Pleasant verse because i have no clue what the supernatural verse can do. I’ll change it depending on what goes on
“My vote goes for the Pleasant verse because i have no clue what the supernatural verse can do.”
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Don’t you think it would be more prudent to wait until after you figure out what Supernatural is until voting?
Supernatural wins by default because Supernatural’s Death is an omni
A Regular demon in Supernatural has stopped a bullet inchs from her(it’s) face. So they’ve got some pretty decent reflexes. Peak Sam was a psychic with soul rape powers right?
Also aw, no Loki or Cas?
Both have style, all that matters.
It was done with tk though. So not reflexes.
again, death the omnipotent makes this easy. he is the strongest thing seen in the series bar none, and he has even described his ability to kill god.
This is gonna be fun!
It’ll definitely be far superior to what happened last monday.
As Travis Touchdown said, ‘Let the Bloodshed Begin!!!’
Where do we begin?
On one hand, one side has a nasty array of immortal killing weaponry, on the other hand, the other side has a nasty array of immortal killing weaponry!
While both sides can bring back the dead, the Skullhead side is capable of doing so via confirmed Necromancy, like the way Skullhead here got back from the dead!(And HOW!!!!)
This is going to be fun, or at least it would be fun if the Post-Faceless Ones volumes are released, already!!!
I suppose I could get reading on the PDFs for the Pre-Deathbringer volumes that came after the Faceless Ones that I got sent with.
A match posted on Sunday? That’s rare
“again, death the omnipotent makes this easy. he is the strongest thing seen in the series bar none, and he has even described his ability to kill god.”
And god’s feats in supernatural?
“And god’s feats in supernatural?”
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Being omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent.
God is never seen in Supernatural, he’s only hinted at, and usually to say that he’s “gone”. It’s believed that he keeps bringing Castiel back though.
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Though it’s been a while, which episode did he say he could kill God?
“Though it’s been a while, which episode did he say he could kill God?”
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The same episode Death was introduced.
Is that when they’re set in the cafe?
sat* >.<
“Though it’s been a while, which episode did he say he could kill God?” So he said he could.
Yea he’s being cocky, needs actual proof.
“Being omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent.”
Proof? You know in the show?
“Is that when they’re set in the cafe?”
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Pizzeria I think it was, but yeah he told Dean he would reap God at the end. Possibly with the scythe.
@lowk
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Castiel is present, Loki is not.
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On God’s ability to die in correlation with Death, wouldn’t that imply that God is not actually omnipotent in SPN? Omniscient and nigh omnipotent, yes, but mortality takes from total omnipotence or omnipresence.
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Am I right or wrong?
“Yea he’s being cocky, needs actual proof.”
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Cocky? Are you really kidding me with this? The entire premise of his job is to be the one that cleans up everything after the universe ends.
“Proof? You know in the show?”
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Proof being that he created the universe and that’s in it.
“Cocky? Are you really kidding me with this? The entire premise of his job is to be the one that cleans up everything after the universe ends.”
Yep being cocky.
“On God’s ability to die in correlation with Death, wouldn’t that imply that God is not actually omnipotent in SPN? Omniscient and nigh omnipotent, yes, but mortality takes from total omnipotence or omnipresence.
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Am I right or wrong?”
“Pizzeria I think it was, but yeah he told Dean he would reap God at the end. Possibly with the scythe.”
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Oh yea, Death loves Pizza, I forgot that quirk xD I might re-watch that episode (any excuse to watch Supternatural right?)
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@ SS
Which Castiel then, Season 5?
“Proof being that he created the universe and that’s in it.”blehblahble.
No proof shown actually prove your claim.
“blehblahble.
No proof shown actually prove your claim.”
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Yeah I’m just going to pretend you aren’t there anymore.
“Yeah I’m just going to pretend you aren’t there anymore.” Then I win.
God=/=omni
This has been shown in many cases.
So anyone want to bring something reliable to this debate?
We need Skullduggery fans to come in and tell us what they can do, as I know nothing of it. Then we can start debating.
you guys wanna know who solo’s this?
Dante would last about nanosecond before being killed by Death.
“Dante would last about nanosecond before being killed by Death.”
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I wasn’t going to say Dante
“There are only 5 things in all creation the Colt cannot kill.”
Forgive me, but wouldn’t that be a no limits fallacy?
@Laharl
god in supernatural has been credited with the creation of the archangels, the creation of heaven and earth, and the supernatural universe as a whole. this has been credited him by lucifer several times, michael, and death, all three of which are high teir enough and old enough on the universal scale to know what they are talking about. as for death, its what he does. he can kill anything, he was about to kill god-cas when the plot shield came around. let me remind you that god cas had earlier, made the king of hell his bitch, was shown in a feild of angels he himself had single handedly slaughtered, and turned the archangel raphael into a pile of mush with a snap. all this, and death was about to kill him with a single touch. not to mention the other horsemens abilities, but im pretty sure death alone just rape-stomps the entire opposition.
@doctor
it would actually kind of be the opposite, as that phrase is itself a statement of the guns limits. though i see what you mean, the colt never faced skullduggery.
“Forgive me, but wouldn’t that be a no limits fallacy?”
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No because it has a limit. It can kill Michael, Lucifer, God, Death, can’t think of the last though.
Okay. Do we know it would affect side B’s high tier, though? (have no clue for either side, so please go slow with me here)
“Okay. Do we know it would affect side B’s high tier, though?”
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That was why I asked the question in the first place.
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“but im pretty sure death alone just rape-stomps the entire opposition.”
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He could, but he wouldn’t. It’s not in his character. He showed that when Lucifer raised him to do his bidding and take over heaven. Death was like “I’m as old as the universe, and I’ll be here at the death of it, I’m cool just sitting back and watching everything play out”
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I would think he might wipe them out as a last resort if he was needed to, but from the get go? Highly doubtful.
well, we have to consider what it can kill, and what is immune to it. look at the 4 we know are immune. michael and lucifer, the two highest end non-omni characters, abilities include: time travel, teleportation, the ability to smite lesser angels with but a touch, in lucifers case, curb stomp about a dozen or so major pagan gods into mulch with little effort, and the conflict from their fight was expected by both angels and demons to completely destroy the planet. then we have god and death, both far above that, one responsible for the creation of the supernatural universe and all in it, the other having the power to end all of that just as easily. if you have to be that high level just to be immune, and mind you lucifer himself admitted that it stung like a bitch, and we can see it knocked him down for a bit, then i will guess that the colt is decently powerful.
@Ruliya
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End of S5 Cas so he has his powers.
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@Sorrow
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Wait, I thought it couldn’t kill the four archangels and God himself. It was never implied or stated that it couldn’t kill Death. If it was said, when did it happen? S5?
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Where’s the Pleasant fans? We need J.
“Wait, I thought it couldn’t kill the four archangels and God himself. It was never implied or stated that it couldn’t kill Death. If it was said, when did it happen? S5?”
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The only thing we think we know kills Death, is Death’s scythe itself.
Also remember that Death regarded Lucifer himself as a mere child and he took the Colt at point blank range.
and that death was more than capable of smiting a god-cas that turned an arch to paste. even lucifer had to use a blade when killing gabriel, who is arguably weaker than raph.
J is here. And highly amused by the match-ups’s name-dropped “suggested by” list. Hot damn, we have a veritable smorgasbord of factpile fame up in here tonight!
Lets see what we can do to elevate the chances of the Skulduggery peeps.
…The horsemen are part of this? I thought the idea was to keep reality warpers out of it? (on the basis of The Skulduggeryverse not really having any of note, Faceless Ones aside)
The horseman aren’t really reality warpers. All aside death (who I think uses his scythe anyway) needs their rings to activate their powers. So it’s possible for the Skully side to “disarm” them.
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Like I said, it’s more in deaths “nature” to sit back in the shadows then outright kill anyone (or everyone)
“…The horsemen are part of this? I thought the idea was to keep reality warpers out of it?”
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The descriptions only specified God and the Archangels.
“All aside death (who I think uses his scythe anyway) needs their rings to activate their powers. So it’s possible for the Skully side to “disarm” them.”
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Well the interesting thing is that Death doesn’t really need the ring to use his powers from what I have seen. He doesn’t seem visibly effected at all.
@ruliya
unless he is hired to do so. as when dean and sam bound him, and lucifer bound him, he had to do it weather he liked it or not. however, the second it is gone, as plot sheilded god-cas proved, death will near instantly return to sitting on his ass.
as for the other horsemen, war is unkillable, and can turn people against each other with ease. anyone near famine is uncontrollably addicted to their inner most desire, to the point of killing themselves over it, while famine himself can suck out their souls. pestilence can create and generate any disease in the atmosphere around him, including the supernatural equivalent of zombies in croatoan. essentially anything biology based is pestilences bitch.
@the sorrow
that is true, the horsemen post ring were described as dried up husks, where as death without his ring for nearly a day was still capable of teleportation and showed no ill effects.
“that is true, the horsemen post ring were described as dried up husks, where as death without his ring for nearly a day was still capable of teleportation and showed no ill effects.”
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He lent it out twice before. Once was to open the gate to The Cage to trap Michael and Lucifer in and that was for a long time. The second time was for Dean to know what it was like to be Death.
Hopefully no one tries to mess up Death’s intro walk like this guy
www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1EzU9sLQ6I&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Ah that intro is always awesome to watch.
Death can’t kill God if it did he wouldn’t be god now would he.
“god in supernatural has been credited with the creation of the archangels, the creation of heaven and earth, and the supernatural universe as a whole.”
Is it just a single universe?
Unless it’s more like the saint of killers god who really isn’t an omni.
“Death can’t kill God if it did he wouldn’t be god now would he.”
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Not a very smart one are you? I don’t remember you being in charge of how the Supernatural universe operates.
So someone like Lilith is in this right?
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“Is it just a single universe?”
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Iirc There was an episode where they crossed over into our universe.
“So someone like Lilith is in this right?”
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She’s dead now.
“Not a very smart one are you? I don’t remember you being in charge of how the Supernatural universe operates.”
I don’t remember you ever missing the point so badly.
If death can kill him he isn’t an omni that’s the rule regardless of the rules of supernatural.
Unless you are saying Death is Omni+ or some retarded shit.
“Iirc There was an episode where they crossed over into our universe.”
They keep their powers fully there?
“I don’t remember you ever missing the point so badly.
If death can kill him he isn’t an omni that’s the rule regardless of the rules of supernatural.
Unless you are saying Death is Omni+ or some retarded shit.”
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Here’s a thought, why don’t you suspend your disbelief for 5 seconds instead acting like a know-it-all?
“Iirc There was an episode where they crossed over into our universe.”
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That was a funny episode xD poor Misha Collins was killed though
@sorrow
he is trying to point out that an omni potent is usually immortal, as a true omnipotent, all powerful, is thus able to prevent their own death. he is forgetting that an omnipotent can do anything, including ending their own life. if both god and death are omnipotents, and god doesnt attempt to stop him in any way, and accepts that it is his time, death can and will take him. and seeing as death seems to know god very well, and knows it will happen, im banking on god accepting it and thus death having the capacity
To add on, Death wasn’t created by God, he is every bit as old as him, perhaps even older. Neither of them remember who came first.
lol so yeah. with death available, as well as the other horsemen, things are looking pretty bleak in the skulduggery department
@Sorrow
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I’m pretty sure the Colt was stated to be unable to kill only the Archangels and God. Death while more powerful than even Lucifer, is not an archangel.
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@Jwlynas
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Horseman aren’t reality warpers but more of forces of nature if anything. War causes people to turn against each other. Famine brought out people’s greatest addictions. Pesticide creates diseases and plagues. Death is…well, death.
“I’m pretty sure the Colt was stated to be unable to kill only the Archangels and God.”
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Can you confirm this?
I don’t think it was ever said what the 5 things were.
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It should also be noted that while the Colt can kill (almost) anything the shot must still be a kill shot. When Sam shoots John, while he is possessed by Azazel, in the leg, the demon survives.
If they can be disarmed, there’s a chance. That’s sometimes all it takes. Do they have to be disarmed through trickery, or is there LotR-esque shenanigans possible, where removing a finger/hand will cancel out the rings powers?
Telling us it can be used for painful yet effective impromptu exorcisms. XD
” Do they have to be disarmed through trickery, or is there LotR-esque shenanigans possible, where removing a finger/hand will cancel out the rings powers?”
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Even if they were to somehow relieve Death of his ring, it does not guarantee a loss of power.
I think war gets his finger cut off. Famine gets fed to bursting or something by a demon-blood hyped up Sam. I forget how pestilence gets it. Death doesn’t need his ring, but I’m not convinced he’d actually do anything. Unless like Hac says he gets roped into it by spells.
Pestilence gets killed by Sam’s demon powers. Famine gets his ring cut off by Castiel and I don’t remember what happened to War.
Oh wait sorry I meant Pestilence gets finger cut off and Famine gets killed by Sam’s demon powers.
I always get pestilence and famine mixed up. Sam and Dean jump War at his car (a lovely red Ford Mustang) and cut his finger off. Pretty sure of it.
“Pesticide creates diseases and plagues.”
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*Pestilence.
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I’m not seeing what Skulduggery Pleasant has that can stand up to Death.
“Sam and Dean jump War at his car (a lovely red Ford Mustang) and cut his finger off.”
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Yeah that seems likely to me. It’s been awhile since I saw that episode. I liked the cars they choose.
The fact that they pretty much surprise him shows that they are vulnerable to being snuck up on.
“The fact that they pretty much surprise him shows that they are vulnerable to being snuck up on.”
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Pestilence did have the best chance to kill them of the three, but he slipped up.
“Can you confirm this?”
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Lucifer stated that only five things in creation could not be killed by the Colt. God is an obvious one but Michael was never stated to be immune to it yet we’re regarding him as immune to it when he was created equal to Lucifer which would imply the same ability to resist the weapon. Why would it not apply to Gabriel and Raphael as well since they were born equal as well?
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Perhaps I’m edging dangerously close to an association fallacy or maybe Lucifer’s words can’t be taken as a whole fact and there. Not sure which or if it’s possibly both? I’m just saying that we don’t know if it can kill Death or not for sure.
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“I don’t think it was ever said what the 5 things were. ”
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We just know Lucifer is immune to it and likely God.
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“Yeah that seems likely to me. It’s been awhile since I saw that episode. I liked the cars they choose.”
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I love the whole way SPN alludes to the lores they use with modern equivalents. It’s interesting and most creative.
@shadow
because we have evidence that gabriel and raphiel are both painfully below the level of lucifer and michael, god is an obvious one, but death in the series is seen as his equal, as he has the ability to reap him.
I was thinking along the lines of Power-scaling.
“I was thinking along the lines of Power-scaling.”
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Pretty much this
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Anyways, Im leaning toward Supernatural ftw
You know what we need? Cross >.<
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Always harping on about boney face, wanting more matches, and he's been absent :O. Where are all the Boney Face fans? it's fairly maddening.
They drop in, make a comment, then disappear for some reason. You would think Cross would be all over this.
“Always harping on about boney face, wanting more matches”
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And how he though Skulduggery should have been debutted a long time ago
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“You would think Cross would be all over this.”
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Given his comments in Skulduggery vs Sephiroth, I too find it odd
“because we have evidence that gabriel and raphiel are both painfully below the level of lucifer and michael”
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What proof would that be? Most of it’s just statements from the lips of others, nothing concrete.
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“I was thinking along the lines of Power-scaling.”
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I’m going off of conjecture on the Archangels and God being the only ones being immune to the Colt. Either one of us could be wrong.
Not seen him on the ‘Topia either today. Maybe he’s busy, which would suck for him, finally a decent match up (in his mind even more so) and he’s not here. I’m sure he will be though at some point ^^
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Almost 100 posts and it’s all been Supernatural xD
“Where are all the Boney Face fans? it’s fairly maddening.”
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I’m a bit of a Skulduggery fan, but against Supernatural. Noooooope.
“You would think Cross would be all over this.”
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Mata too.
Hellhounds. Large, invisible, monster dogs that can drag people to hell. Sound useful anyone?
Well, as it stands I know nothing of the Skullverse, so they could have super powered alien attack monsters that can kill angels. I just do not know…
“Hellhounds. Large, invisible, monster dogs that can drag people to hell. Sound useful anyone?”
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Ah that’s right, they are quite difficult to kill as well.
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Crowley can call them at will as well. He is more of a schemer than a fighter. His powers are vaguely explained anyway.
“His powers are vaguely explained anyway.”
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Well he kind of has control over hell. Also anything above mook level demon seem to have TK going for them.
The heirarchy of Hell went something like this before all current events transpired.
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Lucifer
Azazel
Lilith
Crowley
Alastair
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Of course whether or not Crowley was more powerful than Alastair is debatable.