Suggested by EnigmaJ
The Covenant and the UNSC have been annihilated by the Flood (Halo), and any traces of life is believed to have been all but consumed.
However, whether they know it or not, another race, the Yuuzhan Vong are soon to arrive in the Milky Way Galaxy.
Do they bring with them civilization or are they but food for the Gravemind?
The Flood have access the biomass and technology of the Covenant and the UNSC. The Yuuzhan Vong are the same as the ones that invaded the Star Wars Galaxy.
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The Flood don’t stand a chance against any competent species, least of all the Yuuzhan Vong.
Yuuzhan Vong stomp
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/yet another SW vs Halo thread
Wow… I just spent several minutes researching the Yuuzhan Vong. Now I remember that SW beat HALO, and this is repeat.
Suddenly Link Vs Carnifex doesn’t seem so bad eh? ;P
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Yet another thread I know nothing about. It’s a long time since I played Halo, and never read the EU relating to the Yuuzhan Vong. Though sounds like the YV win.
For this fight, disregard Rule 6 “Prep and Knowledge”. The scenario should be more of a “what if”, than a stand off.
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Aaaand, that should be it.
“Suddenly Link Vs Carnifex doesn’t seem so bad eh? ;P”
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lol
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“The scenario should be more of a “what if”, than a stand off.”
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I don’t get it
What If…the Yuuzhan Vong entered a Flood infested Milky Way Galaxy?
Oh, well that makes alot more sense then I guess
“What If…the Yuuzhan Vong entered a Flood infested Milky Way Galaxy?”
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They’d kill the Flood. What if solved… Lets go have pie.
“Lets go have pie.”
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I <3 Pie! Lets do that!
lol, didn’t take too long to decide
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And lets all have pie! :3
Vodun Crab armor can take hits from blasters and lightsabers, I don’t think the flood have the means to penetrate it, but exposed skin might be problematic.
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But as far as I know, Vong starships far outgun and outmass basically everything the flood have. Dovin Basal shielding on a basic cruiser is strong enough to stalemate an Imperial Class Star Destroyer with which had been slugging one another for hours with their weapons. Worldships are bigger than anything other than possibly high charity.
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So what era of Vong is this? I would assume under the leadership of Overlord Shimrra and Onimi, but which warmaster? Have they created Voxyn yet? Are the Jeedai heretics available?
And people say this site has no respect for star wars and we do nothing but bash it.. pfft.
“And people say this site has no respect for star wars and we do nothing but bash it.. pfft.”
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I stayed up all night waiting for this to be posted, ‘cos I honestly thought that. Good to see for once, it isn’t true, even if it is a completely lopsided match.
“So what era of Vong is this? I would assume under the leadership of Overlord Shimrra and Onimi, but which warmaster? Have they created Voxyn yet? Are the Jeedai heretics available?”
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The Vong are as they are when they first invaded the Star Wars Galaxy.
Well, I do see the possibility that if the Vong don’t play their cards right, this could escalate into a fairer fight. But with some Jedi like Vergere and the girl who’s personality they split and altered (I’ll look her up later), and Onimi’s force sensitivity, that would be a large boost of advantage. So Jedi or no?
“I stayed up all night waiting for this to be posted, ‘cos I honestly thought that. Good to see for once, it isn’t true, even if it is a completely lopsided match.”
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I think Star Wars has an excellent reputation on the site, which is why it’s used as a beat stick to test new comers, a lot. Unfortunately that means SW will have a lot of lossed.. WH40k gets the same treatment a lot. “Let’s see if Team A can beat this big tough things from a powerful universe” is how it goes. And you see what’s happened. It ain’t hate, look at it like respect.
“I think Star Wars has an excellent reputation on the site, which is why it’s used as a beat stick to test new comers, a lot. Unfortunately that means SW will have a lot of lossed.. WH40k gets the same treatment a lot. “Let’s see if Team A can beat this big tough things from a powerful universe” is how it goes. And you see what’s happened. It ain’t hate, look at it like respect.”
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That doesn’t explain the constant whining about the EU…
“”So Jedi or no?”
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The Vong do not have anything they acquired as a direct result of coming into contact with the Star Wars galaxy.
Just wait for it, Locutus or somebody is gonna come in here and say some shit like “The Flood wins because Yuuzhan Vong are from the EU, and that means they don’t exist hurr durr”
“That doesn’t explain the constant whining about the EU…”
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That’s because most of the EU kind of sucks. Boba living, the Vong, Force Unleashed, and that ridiculous ICS. Just look at it. Most people are fans of the movies, and the EU screws with the movies.
What’s wrong with the Yuuzhan Vong (just “Vong” is politically incorrect, it’s basically a derogatory term) and FU. Boba should be dead though. If it contradicts the movie, it’s basically (bad) fanfiction.
“That’s because most of the EU kind of sucks. Boba living, the Vong, Force Unleashed, and that ridiculous ICS. Just look at it. Most people are fans of the movies, and the EU screws with the movies.”
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That’s your opinion, alot of people enjoy the EU. From what I’ve seen alot more than hold a distaste for it.
The only people who whine about EU are those who have tried to debate it and ended up with their pre-conceived notions about power placement shattered.
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What’s that? You didn’t think Luke could mindrape people from across a galaxy?
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Too bad he can.
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These people are known as Jelly.
@DarthGrim
Only true if we’re talking about the Post-Endor incarnations of E.U Luke, Pre-Endor’s another matter entirely, though.
Just wanting to point that out.
Meantime moot point is moot since he’s not being used at all, but we have the Yuuzhan Vong vs The Flood, and yet no one wants to try Yuuzhan Vong vs the Ing, yet?
What gives???
I feel as if Flood Spores would definitely infect the Yuuzhan Vong.
And since the Flood has taken over all halo life in this match, then a Gravemind would have formed, absorbed Cortana AI and have control of all of UNSC battleships as well as all covenant ships.
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“Due to their beliefs, the Yuuzhan Vong were opposed to technology, ranging from simple machines to droids, which they believed were a polluting influence. As such, all examples of their technology consisted of living biots: creatures that were born and bred for their tasks.[6] They preferred the use of such creatures over lifeless machines which lacked any form of spirit.[19] All Yuuzhan Vong technology, whether it be starships, weapons, or simple everyday objects, was entirely biological. They hated droids, machines, electronics, and anything manufactured.[8] This biotechnology was coaxed into growth by the Shapers and seemed to be more resilient when compared to conventional technology.[43]”
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Sounds to me like a lot of biomass for the Flood to use..
In fact it may even be possible for the Flood to steal the ship and use it against the Yuuzhan Vong -as they usually do.
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I don’t really know much about the Yuuzhan though. Care to enlighten?
I really want to make a comment about the EU, and I know you expect me to, ZomB, but I will not today. I will just say that unless the Flood have decent ships (which as far as I know, they do not) then they’re in a lot of trouble.
“What’s wrong with the Yuuzhan Vong (just “Vong” is politically incorrect, it’s basically a derogatory term) and FU. Boba should be dead though. If it contradicts the movie, it’s basically (bad) fanfiction.”
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The author is just a bad author. The vong suck. They were a bad idea. I have no idea what about them made Lucas like them enough to say they’re canon. But I shouldn’t derail this with the quality of EU. Please continue the discussion, although it seems a forgone conclusion that the Vong win.
Well Halo has FTL ships through the use of slipspace tech and have weapons like the MAC:
Up to 3,000 tons accelerated to over .4 speed of light or 120,000 km per second, ships have MACs that can shoot 600 ton shells at 30 kilometers per second.
They also have Archer Missiles that
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“Halo: Contact Harvest quotes that “A single Archer missile can disable all but the most heavily-armored UNSC ships.” The UNSC fires hundreds of missiles at each Covenant ship giving testimony to the incredible defensive capabilities of their shields and point-defense lasers.”
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Covenant ship shields are very resilient. I don’t know of it’s weapons except that it can glass planets..
I think all the answers you’re after are on the SW Vs Halo thread. Which is why everyone’s like YV stomp. It’s all been discussed.
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Though I think that debate was before my time
I didn’t mind them all that much really; I think they were a good break from “Imperial vs Rebel” and “Jedi vs Sith”, an alien enemy that posed a threat to everybody because they didn’t care shite about the Light Side and the Dark Side.
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Because of the abundance of biotechnology, there is the potential for the Flood becoming dangerous, though a lot of Vong creatures have shells that would make infection difficult. Yo’Gand’s core could destroy largely infested planets, and could be used to take out flood strongpoints.
Star Wars and Yuuzhan Vong are different. I believe Halo lost to Star Wars because of ships like: starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sun_Crusher
And the Yuuzhan use only bio ships, with weapons I don’t know of.
@Tarbel
Dovin Basals are able to prevent ships from going to light speed, and would probably do the same to Slipspace drives; they also can soak up turbolaser fire in vast amounts.
How large are the Yuuzhan Vong forces?
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“Yo’Gand’s core could destroy largely infested planets, and could be used to take out flood strongpoints.”
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In this Scenario, I think the flood would be in the Galactic stage(I think that’s what its called) and would already have a Gravemind controlling the flood. This Gravemind would have complete control of every warship or planet, coupled with the abilities of AI’s from the Covenant and UNSC.
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“Furthermore, they could be used as weapons against planets: a powerful dovin basal dropped on the surface of a planet could target a moon to slow its orbit and cause it to crash on the planet, decimating both, in a tactic known as Yo’gand’s Core. Another tactic involved the insertion of planetary shielding teams who were deployed onto a world with a dovin basal. It was then used to sweep the planetary orbit of defense platforms”
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I would think this tactic would be extremely hard to do, having to both breach the planet’s protective navy and ground forces.
Yuuzhan Vong ships have weapons kind of similar to Tyranid ones; kinda like organic volcanoes that shoot capital grade plasma.
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Dovin Basals are creatures that generate gravity wells that are used to propel and shield craft, and when placed on a planet, they can draw its moon to crash into it.
Anyone else think this should be Forerunner capable Flood?
yea the von destroy the flood, and with the insane level of bio-engineering they have i honestly don’t think the flood could even infest them. And assuming they could every vong is like an elite in my opinion, they are huge bio engineered super warriors.
@Sorrow
I think the FRs are still too unquantified to make it effective.
Yuuzhan Von’s battle strategies:
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“Infiltration – a favored strategy of the Yuuzhan Vong during the initial stages of the invasion, which saw the insertion of agents within enemy planets who wore Ooglith masquers to disguise their features. These individuals pretended to be members of other species while they worked to sabotage any equipment as well as intercept any messages that revealed the existence of the Yuuzhan Vong. This was effective in silencing the ExGal Society outpost on Belkadan[11] and prevent a warning to Artorias about an incoming Yuuzhan Vong armada.[12]
Information gathering – before the invasion began, the Yuuzhan Vong had began an intensive information gathering campaign which included the capture of various members of the different species who were experimented on in order to better understand them. Later, during the early part of the invasion, an information gathering campaign in order to learn more about their enemies. This led to the capture of the library world of Obroa-skai where its information was transferred into villip speech for ease of use.[7] On a more sinister basis, the commanders within the invasion forces sought to gather information on the weaknesses of the native races and learn how much pressure was needed before they were broken.[12]
Tracking – they also made use of the Dovin basal mines to record the gravitational signature of both friendly and enemy vessels for security purposes as well as to track potential threats. In addition to this, they had a history of locating displaced populations who were accepted as refugees and targeting those worlds on their list making few worlds willing in accepting such individuals.[13]
Far-reaches destabilization program – created by Executor Nom Anor, the program involved a campaign of infiltration and subversion of various star systems in order to get the enemy to fight one another thus leaving them weakened for the warrior caste to conquer with ease. As the war continued to progress, it was noted that this tactic began to fail due to intervention from the Galactic Alliance.[6] In addition, early on in the war, the Yuuzhan Vong tried to turn the New Republic as well as its citizens against the Jedi by claiming that their invasion would halt at Duro so long as the governments of the galaxy surrendered their Jedi.[14]
Interdiction – orchestrated by Warmaster Tsavong Lah, this tactic involved the deployment of dovin basal interdiction mines along major space lanes in order to cripple the enemy’s movements as well a monitor ship deployments through their gravitic signatures.[13]
Holy programs – secretly ordered by Supreme Overlord Shimrra, this project involved Shapers who were tasked with developing new organic technology in secret for use against the enemy and involved an attempt on Shaping the mind of the Jedi captive Tahiri into a Yuuzhan Vong warrior[15] as well as create anti-Jedi weapons.[9]
Resource acquisition – the Yuuzhan Vong Empire made various attempts at bolstering its resources as the invasion continued; this included the establishment of a Shipwomb[16], breeding larger biots such as dovin basals[10], the seeding of planets with bio-organisms for later extraction as was the case in Hutt Space[16] as well as the capture of slaves.[6]
Communication disruption – done so near the end of the War, this plan involved deploying the newly created Mabugat kan who would trace and destroy the HoloNet stations in order to disrupt the enemies ability to coordinate their forces.[17] However, this resulted in the enemy simply using mobile transceiver stations and prevented the Yuuzhan Vong from monitoring their communications.[5]”
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A lot of these, if not all, won’t be applicable to Flood …
@Gluttunous
It’s a hell of a lot better than what they are getting right now and remember, the Forerunners managed to beat the Galacttic Empire.
@Sentry
Er, I wouldn’t say super warriors, though tey would be a definite match for a Sangheili.
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So while they wont have Tahiri Veila, they will have Vergere (she was captured before the Vong invaded), who will still be an asset.
“yea the von destroy the flood, and with the insane level of bio-engineering they have i honestly don’t think the flood could even infest them. And assuming they could every vong is like an elite in my opinion, they are huge bio engineered super warriors.”
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The flood won’t be able to infect their biotech if it doesn’t have a nervous system. But the Yuuzhan Vong ships have nervous systems that are used to alarm them of breaches, thus susceptible to Flood infection.
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As for the Yuuzhan Vong warriors themselves, I don’t think even their hard shells can handle
the Flood infection forms that can easily break in and out of Elite armor as well as Marine armor.
“Anyone else think this should be Forerunner capable Flood?”
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I don’t. That would just be a repeat of Forerunners vs Galactic Empire. It’d be the same type of shit storm.
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If the Flood lose this fight, it will be because of their inability to properly infiltrate Vong society and grow to threatening levels. If the Flood win, it should be because they succeeded in doing what the Flood are known for doing, not because they had Forerunner toys to play with.
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Besides, there are certain people I want to hear speak first.
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“So while they wont have Tahiri Veila, they will have Vergere (she was captured before the Vong invaded), who will still be an asset.”
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If I’m correct, the Vong obtained Vergere “as a direct result of coming into contact with the Star Wars galaxy”, so they won’t have her, as per Post #20.
I doubt more than one ship would get infected, the Vong are pretty good with bioweapons and quick to adapt to their foes, they made animals specifically to hunt down Jedi so ten bucks says they can create something to disinfect the Flood so to speak.
They also in the last couple of books made some special anti Jedi warriors that had skin that was lightsaber resistant, they can create shock troops capable of not being infected with time.
Something else to take into account is many Vong aren’t always purely Vong, they like to do body mods, their biology is compatible enough that they can merge parts of other animals with themselves, it’s possible that because of that their genetic makeup would allow them to just adapt to the Flood infection and make it part of them. I could be wrong though since we’ve never seen something like the Flood infect them.
“I don’t. That would just be a repeat of Forerunners vs Galactic Empire. It’d be the same type of shit storm.”
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What you did was repeat Star Wars vs Halo and turned it into a stomp just to be safe and avoid conflict. That’s just boring.
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The technology the Flood have been given are vastly out-matched by the Vong in nearly every aspect.
@J
Really? I thought they picked her up on Zonama Sekot, which by that time had left the galaxy into the Unknown regions.
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If I was wrong I apologize.
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@Tarbel
The worldships and other such are usually either:
A) Controlled by a Central World Brain for larger things
B) A pilot under direction of a Yammosk.
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World Brains are constantly under heavy guard, and are surrounded by Shapers to tend to them, and I doubt that anything other than direct contact with the brain itself will suffice. Yammosks and Villip Choirs communicate via telpathy and thus cannot be jammed with the
technology available to the Flood.
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Vodun Crab armor was proving so bothersome that the New Republic was actively looking for a means to counteract it (they found a pollen that the crabs were lethally allergic to). It can withstand repeated lightsaber strikes, just as amphistaffs.
“Really? I thought they picked her up on Zonama Sekot, which by that time had left the galaxy into the Unknown regions.”
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That’s what I thought from my skimming the wikia. If I’m wrong, then the Vong can have her obviously.
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Looking at it again, it seems your right.
“Vodun Crab armor”
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IIRC their necks aren’t covered(isn’t that how Lord Nyax killed them?) so an infection form could latch on, of course they would have to swarm the warriors, but that shouldn’t be a problem on a Flood infested world.
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Problem is space, and the only toys that can possibly save them are several halo rings that “belong” to ONI and the Onyx shield world. But it would probably break character for the Gravemind to use them so thats not happening.
if the planet seems to risky they are more than capable of razing the planets surface until the Flood are decimated enough to take out with ground forces. It just depends on will the YV be able to get their momentum going early on like they did in the Star Wars galaxy and steam roll most of the Flood controlled planets before they get too much up in the way of defense.
Well it’s too late now to change the outcome. Great.. another lackluster debate, that’s what this site needs.
crap didn’t realize I was going to be the fiftieth post. Well that ends this fight then doesn’t it.
So someone said something about pie?
“The technology the Flood have been given are vastly out-matched by the Vong in nearly every aspect.”
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Yep. So it would be pretty dumb if the Flood didn’t attempt to change that soon after contact.
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“What you did was repeat Star Wars vs Halo and turned it into a stomp just to be safe and avoid conflict. That’s just boring.”
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Two arguments used against the Flood in Star Wars vs Halo include the idea that (1.) the Flood are practically wiped out in the current universe, and (2.) the Flood would not ally themselves with the Covenant and the UNSC because of their nature, the latter being pushed strongly by L-W for a period of time. Other reasons were brought forward of course, but not only does this thread prevent these two particlar arguments from being used, it isolates the Flood and pits them against a Star Wars race whose race is constructed mainly from biomass.
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Considering what I’ve seen on other sites, there *are* people who think the Flood can threaten galactic civilizations like the Galactic Empire and the Imperium of Man. If you still think that the Vong stomps and that these people are idiots/trolls, that’s fine. But like I said, there are certain regulars I’d like to hear speak on this.
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But if the consensus ends up being that the Vong stomps. Great. Bring out the pie. And move on.
@Admiral
Blast it on me. =_=’
That was my fault, I’m sure.
If anyone needs me, I’ll hope the Admiral can either join in this thread with Tavi involved, or Haseo vs Jason of Camp Half-Blood, Whichever is more likelier to happen, and wish us the best of odds that either will wind up being better than here, okay?
P.S: I’m starting to think that the Yuuzhan Vong vs the Ing should happen, already!
well the Vong conquered 90 percent of the known regions of the Star Wars Galaxy including the capital, implemented the first non Sith influenced Jedi purge terraformed several planets into new worlds for them to the point they still haven’t recovered I don’t think.
The Vong did a pretty good job of trashing the Galaxy.
“So it would be pretty dumb if the Flood didn’t attempt to change that soon after contact.”
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You grossly over-estimate the hand you have given them.
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“Considering what I’ve seen on other sites, there *are* people who think the Flood can threaten galactic civilizations like the Galactic Empire and the Imperium of Man.”
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If they have the appropriate resources to do so, which they do not. The Covenant and UNSC infected forces don’t even cover the merest fraction of what the Forerunner infected forces had to offer. Yet somehow you thought it would turn out to be a competent match.
The flood aren’t the X Parasites at the end of the day, are they?
This fight depends on two things:
Vong Response Times, and if Shapers can alter themselves to immunity/create a biot that is immune.
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If the Yuuzhan Vong can’t do those two things right, the flood may have a chance to escalate.
Well seeing as the Flood have ships that move much MUCH slower than their Star Wars counter parts. I think the Vong will enough to counter their efforts.
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Unless of course they can use their slip space drives to infiltrate their world ships.
“If they have the appropriate resources to do so, which they do not.”
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For the record, many of those involved the Flood starting with some infection forms on a random world or maybe even a single ship.
I dunno, that depends if gravity interdiction works on slipspace drives like it does on Hyperdrives.
“For the record, many of those involved the Flood starting with some infection forms on a random world or maybe even a single ship.”
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*Looks at the post number.* Kind of late to be giving us that information.
“Unless of course they can use their slip space drives to infiltrate their world ships.”
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That might be a problem depending on the size of the world ship. Do world ships have massive rooms or hangers like this images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100216064959/halo/images/thumb/3/30/City.jpg/1000px-City.jpg
If not, opening up a slipspace rupture inside the World Ship and sending a 500+ meter long ship would probably destroy both the flood ship and the world ship(or at least badly damage it).
You misunderstood what I said. Let me rephrase that then…
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Many of those threads I was referring to earlier did not involve the Flood starting with significantly more resources than I’ve given them here. For the record, many of them involved the Flood starting with some infection forms on a random world or maybe even a single ship.
“Covenant starships use Repulsor Engines for low-level propulsion. Little is known about its mechanisms, other than that they produce quantum fluctuations that can affect personnel within range of them, and they leave a wake that can affect starships.[1] It’s possible that Repulsor Engines could be a form of “reactionless drive” that makes use of negative matter. Negative matter would have negative mass and would have a “repulsive” effect with the normal matter if placed behind the ship.”
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Slipspace: halo.wikia.com/wiki/Slipstream_Space
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“The Covenant have a very finely tuned version of this technology, far superior to the UNSC Shaw-Fujikawa Translight Engine. Instead of simply tearing a hole into Slipspace, Covenant Slipspace drives cut a very fine hole in the fabric of space-time and slips into Slipspace with precision (much like a scalpel compared to a butcher knife). It exits with the same pinpoint accuracy, takes less time during travel, and is able to plot a course with error not exceeding an atom. This is why in battle Covenant ships are able to slip by human defenses by using slipspace.[14] Standard Covenant tactics include using short Slipstream jumps to gain positional advantage and surprise other ships, in addition to avoiding incoming ordnance. The Covenant’s superiority in drive technology (combined with differing weapon technology) allows a small number of Covenant ships to effectively engage a much larger UNSC force. Missiles, especially, can be defeated by a brief Slipstream jump, as they cannot track through Slipstream space.
Gravitational fields of significant size, such as those generated by a planet, affect the superfine quantum filaments that the Shaw-Fujikawa Translight Engine must use to calculate an entry point to the slipstream, and UNSC calculations are unable to offset this effect.[15] Covenant drives, in turn derived from Forerunner technology, have a much higher resolution of the filaments, and use more accurate calculations, and though the Covenant do not use this ability, are capable of making slipstream transition in and out of a planet’s gravity well. Indeed, while using the captured Ascendant Justice to make a Slipspace jump within Threshold’s atmosphere, Cortana remarked that “It was as if she was blind before.”[15] After observing this innovation, a Covenant AI managed to leak the data out to the rest of the Covenant in a transmission. During the Battle of Mombasa, the Prophet of Regret used this newfound knowledge to transition into Slipspace while directly over New Mombasa in Earth’s gravity well, damaging the city and causing the weakening and eventual collapse of the Orbital Elevator there.[16] These events show that, while the Covenant often cannot innovate their own solutions, they are quick to adopt any practice that increases their battle prowess.”
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There are easy spaces for infection forms to infect:
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“The armor was not powerful enough to withstand starfighter fire. Nor could it withstand the strength of Mandalorian crushgaunts, which would crack and break the armor with the continuous application of pressure.[1] The creature’s gills were found in the armpit of the armored suit thus leaving a weak point. In some cases, the wearer’s face was not covered by the armor. As the armor was a living creature, it was subject to a living creature’s problems and was found to be dangerously allergic to the Bafforr tree pollen, discovered during the Battle of Garqi. The armor could also be destroyed by Force lightning.”
How much forces do the Yuuzhan Vong have?
Its never quite stated, but numerous Worldships and their fleets. They can grow any manner of ship from Yorik Coral, which can grow on pretty much anything. So each planet they take back is a potential zone to be terraformed and turned into a production ground.
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I’d give the Yuuzhan Vong a large space superiority advantage, and they’ve shown no qualms about using orbital bombardment to soften up a planet before invading. And like the flood, they really only need biomatter to feed their biots and places to grow them to recover losses. Vong warriors can go hand to hand with Jedi for the most part, so to swarm one, you would need a LOT of flood, which there may not be after the Vong bomb the hell out of the planet.
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Maw Luurs can digest wreckage and corpses and recycle the stuff into material that can grow more biots.
“Boba should be dead though. If it contradicts the movie, it’s basically (bad) fanfiction.”
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It doesn’t really contradict the movie, as we never see him actually die. In my opinion, its just another one of those added EU twists.
Why couldntt this have been YZ vs Orks? Sadface
YV*
@Neuro
I don’t know of YZ vs Warhammer Orks could work, the YZ didn’t last too well against just the ‘known’ Tyranid Hive Fleets, yet the Orks might have better odds.
Not saying for sure the Orks will beat the YZ forces,
(Necessarily!)Jury may be out on that one until it happens at all, but I know for sure it’d be a lot on the tables the YZ would have to deal with, anywho.P.S: You sure you’d rather not see the YZ vs the Ing, via now? ;_;’
Hey Cross, who are the YZ? Yuvoo Zog? xD
@Madamoiselle
The Yuvoo Zog vs either the Ing of Metroid or Da Orkz of Warhammer 40K could be interesting if enough thought is placed, Madamoiselle.
Vong have no real defense against Ing, thus the match would be onesided.
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Ork psychic abilities might allow them to fight the ing, but its iffy.
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So I’d say no for either.
@Master Sarge
But factpile could use the Dark Zog/Dark Vong, you have to admit how Badass the idea sounds, right?
That’s it, I’m trademarking the name Yuvoo Zog xD
@Madamoiselle
The Yuvoo Zog are powerful! xD
Indeed they are, in fact they solo. Now get your own imaginary side in this match ;p
@Madamoiselle
Where to start off?
If we agree the Flood should at least have the proper resources to fight off the Yuvoo Zog with, then things might take a turn for the intriguing, yes, no?
Yuuzhab definitely
@Ruliya: I have one someone else made up that I can debate in another match. I’ll go see if I can get his permission…
“Due to their beliefs, the Yuuzhan Vong were opposed to technology, ranging from simple machines to droids, which they believed were a polluting influence. As such, ALL examples OF THEIR TECHNOLOGY CONSISTED OF LIVING BIOTS: creatures that were born and bred for their tasks.[6] They preferred the use of such creatures over lifeless machines which lacked any form of spirit.[19] ALL Yuuzhan Vong TECHNOLOGY, whether it be STARSHIPS, WEAPONS, OR simple EVERYDAY OBJECTS, was ENTIRELY BIOLOGICAL. They hated droids, machines, electronics, and anything manufactured.[8] This biotechnology was coaxed into growth by the Shapers and seemed to be more resilient when compared to conventional technology.”
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That is like the exact, literally exact, opposite of what you want to fight the Flood. Everything from you to your gun, to your tooth brush to your own goddamn starship is a potential victim of Flood infection. Do you no how fast their spread would be if they infected something? They would no longer have to find a way into a building. They literally just infect the building and everything inside, most likely in seconds-minutes. They ram your ship? The Flood now have a “Space-ship form.” The way you combat the Flood is with things that can’t get infected, like robots. Guess what the Vong absolutely don’t use, at all? Robots and the like.
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Unless the Vong can beat out Flood space-magic infection, they might be screwed.
well considering they are masters of creating biological beings that have abilities they normally wouldn’t have, like warriors resistant to lightsabers, I think they would be okay. A single warrior is an easy match for your average Jedi they also use a zerg rush of slaves to start out.
Being resistant to physical attacks means jack shit when your resistance is still biological in nature, and thus, Flood infection. The Vong would have had to demonstrate such outstanding manipulation of genetics in the fields of anti-infection to out-beat the space-magic that is the Flood. Mind you, the Flood was created/is the Precursors, who made entire species as like a pass-time and invented Neural physics, for whatever it is, seems to make nigh-indestructable objects and seems somehow related to how the Flood can magic-/infect/hack all known forms of life and technology.
uhm yeah the created the biological resistance in their warriors after a while when their warriors were already wearing armor that resisted the saber blows, there was no need but they did it just to have a core of extra deadly anti jedi. They also genetically alter themselves all the time, it would be easy for them to become immune to the flood.
“uhm yeah the created the biological resistance in their warriors after a while when their warriors were already wearing armor that resisted the saber blows, there was no need but they did it just to have a core of extra deadly anti jedi. They also genetically alter themselves all the time, it would be easy for them to become immune to the flood.”
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Have they ever created biological resistances to extremely virulent lifeforms that break physics every time they infect a human?
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What does creating light-saber resistance (Especially when the resistance is biological in the first place, which would make the situation WORSE) have to to with anti-space-magic-parasite resistance? Because I can make a Kevlar vest that stops bullets, does that mean that I can cure cancer, on that principle alone?
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Holy crap guys, the cure for all our diseases will be found if we just focus on improving technology that resists physical attacks and weaponry! How could we be so blind?
they genetically enginered superior resistance, they even created jedi hunting animals that could smell the force and belch sound, how would a resistance to the flood be out of the question.
Despite being “masters of biotech” don’t the Vong still have mundane infections and deformities that occur from their implants? I remember this happening to their Warmaster. Shamed Ones, I think they’re called.
that was from adding other creatures to their own biological makeup though, sometimes the genetic code of the creature they used overwrote the Vongs genetic code. It wasn’t so much an infection as poor choice of genetic mod material.
Thats just it though, if these creatures can infect the Vong (on accident), why can’t the Flood? Like tmwta said, the Flood use space magic to infect people in seconds, how would the Vong’s immune system even react in time to stop it?
they wouldn’t at first not saying they start out immune just that it’s possible they could engineer themselves to have an immunity.
“they genetically enginered superior resistance, they even created jedi hunting animals that could smell the force and belch sound, how would a resistance to the flood be out of the question.”
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Did you gain nothing from my other post? What does light-saber resistance and force-senses have to due with immunity to space-magic haxor skills?
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Plus, did you say that it is impressive that they made things that belch sound. I repeat. Belch. Sound. You said it took EFFORT to make things belch audibly.
The Flood wins. Right there.
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“That was from adding other creatures to their own biological makeup though, sometimes the genetic code of the creature they used overwrote the Vongs genetic code. It wasn’t so much an infection as poor choice of genetic mod material.”
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What you are telling me is that the “Masters of Genetics” get their shit messed up from random species messing up their code, probably not even on purpose? I hope you know that the Flood breaks physics and rewrites your code intentionally, and on a crazy level. The Flood will have a field day.
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“they wouldn’t at first not saying they start out immune just that it’s possible they could engineer themselves to have an immunity.”
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That’s just, no.
The Vong get their genetics mucked up by common “everyday” assimilation by things that aren’t even actively trying and don’t operate at the space-magic level. The Flood does this ON PURPOSE. It also breaks physics when it infects (Like, the energy it should take to infect a human that fast should set the room on fire).
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The Flood could take over an entire fleet with ONE suicide ship. They could rape a planet in a few days, maybe even in hours, with a few spores. Being completely biological in every aspect is the exact thing, more than exact, perfect thing for the Flood.
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Actually, do the Vong use any sort of projectile weapons? Cause those just might make the Flood grow.
When your clothes, guns, toiletries, buildings, cars, people, tools, ships, pets, and everything else can all be used for infection, you are boned.
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btw, the Forerunners spent 300+ years looking for a cure for the Flood, and these guys make pocket dimensions in their spare time, live for thousands of years with no sleep, and have cured just about every disease out there (Besides the Flood, or course). Then the Flood raped them at a technological level too and it was game over.
so flood stomp?
So… who won?
flood stomp by the looks of it as the yuuzhan vong have no way to protect themselves from infection
Looks like a flood win… Also in such an advanced stage the flood don’t new do infect through just infection forms they have airborne spores at galactic stage so any type of air is contagious. And if the vong are solely biologic then the flood have a feast on their hands.
N-N-N-NECRO!