Suggested by EnigmaJ
Which of these two powerful monsters would win a battle if they met in the skies above a deserted island?
Meta Ridley ( before phazon corruption ) from Metroid Prime or Shadow Lugia from Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness?
Meta Ridley may be scaled accordingly from the rest of his forms and Lugia may be scaled the other Lugia that have appeared in the games, manga, and anime/movies.
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“Meta Ridley may be scaled accordingly from the rest of his forms ”
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By this, I mean obvious and logical power scaling, need it apply.
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“Lugia may be scaled the other Lugia that have appeared in the games, manga, and anime/movies.”
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By this, I mean feats from other Lugia in franchise can be applied to Shadow Lugia if there’s a lack of feats.
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Aside from that, I don’t think anything else needs to be specified… assuming this one even picks up.
The Metroid fan in me is siding with Ridley. The Pokemon fan in me… Is siding with Ridley.
I’m siding with Ridley also. He has better overall feats, that and if I recall correctly Shadow Pokemon are actually weaker than the base pokemon.
“Early tests indicate a drastic increase in strength, mobility, and offensive capability. Cybernetic modules and armor plating have been added as well.” (Pirate Data, Meta Ridley)
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“Its armored hide is extremely resilient, save for the chest, which has thinner plating. [. . .] Meta Ridley is also a formidable melee combatant, making any sort of engagement a risky proposition.” (Meta Ridley)
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Meta Ridley has demonstrated the ability to survive in a vacuum. He has also passed through Tallon IV’s atmosphere, although I don’t know if that’s really a great feat.
Meta Ridley stomps.
Nuff said.
I know Lugia to be devastating in the anime but I do not know anything about Shadow Lugia.Will be asking my mate Nick to post some feats of Lugia if he can.
Quick question does it take striking strength or lifting strength to break out of chains?
How about pull strength, The King of Heroes?
@Proto-Mind
Is that even a thing? I’ve never heard of it.
When Samus’ ship entered the atmosphere of Talon IV, didn’t it struggle at all?
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Ridley has the focused plasma breath, and other weapon systems, yes? And isn’t this the sane Ridley that tore open a ship hull with only his claws?
@King of the Heroes
“Is that even a thing? I’ve never heard of it.”
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_voBgF4DOU&feature=player_detailpage#t=292s
shadow pokemon have less defense. possibly lower health been ages since i played that game. ridley wins.
@Alpha or Omega
Okay so it is a thing. Then how does one get pull strength for a character that hasn’t displayed any?
Yeah, Ridley has a helluva powerful set plus the technology to bombard Lugia to nothing. It’s going to be extremely tough for Lugia to even put up a fight.
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Although, his movie form was fairly powerful IIRC and was able to take on Moltress, Zapdos, and Articuno… I don’t remember though, it’s been forever since I’ve seen that movie.
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Ridley in Other M was probably the fastest version and his slashes were able to keep up with Samus fairly well and required split second timing to use that sense dodge.
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Meta Ridley has missiles in this form.
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I don’t think Ridley’s Plasma breath will do much to be honest, Pokemon have taken attacks as such before and being a water-flying (he’s water-flying… right?) fire moves wont be as effective on him (fire… plasma…). Ridley would be better off closing the distance and slashing him or bombarding him with Missiles.
Lugia is psychic/flying.
@Zolanius
Thanks…
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So… plasma attack’s will still be effective. But I have doubts it could be used to destroy him. As I said, he’d have a better time getting close and using his claws.
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Being a Psychic type he could attack Ridley with his mind, that’s going to be invaluable for this fight. Things like Confusion, Psychic, and future sight could save Lugia the trouble of getting in close.
I don’t know. If his breath can damage Samus, its gotta have plenty of force. There was a Meta-Ridley vs Wolverine once, which ended in constant vaporization.
Niiiiice match. Does Ridley have any feats where he demonstrates the ability to fight off psychic attacks?
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Also, what attacks does Shadow Lugia have? Are we giving it every attack it an learn? Are we using TM and stuff like that? Keep in mind that it’s been a while that I’ve kept up with Pokemon, and I don’t really know how we treat them here.
Is this site legit? bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Shadow_Lugia
ok lets see for lugia. he is “fluff”wise way stronger then his already quite powerfull regulair counterpart. it is claimed he is immune to purification though this is shown to be big talk. for a feat of the actual shadow lugia. he picked a cruiseship out of the ocean only to throw it into the dessert. this last part due to him temporarely breaking free of his masters control.
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and now the part none of you saw comming…
oh wait you did, IDLEY just STOMPS -.-
i heard alot of info leak through the cracks here and there to know that even shadow lugia is gonna get its ass roasted.
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on that note Popcorn anyone?
and yes zolanius, i never heard people complain about it.
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ow and mean ridley of course, not idley.
I thought Shadow Pokemon only gained experience slower? Hmm. If they do in fact have lower defense, then fair enough. I only made it Shadow Lugia so as to make him less reserved and make his battle style more vicious.
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I’m not too familiar with the Lugia in the manga, so if anyone has read it, input would be appreciated.
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I don’t feel like debating this myself, but I will say that Lugia in the movie blasted about 2 km of solid ice apart with his aeroblast, and Lugia in the games split the Whirl Islands apart with a bolt of lightning. We also see Lugia’s evasive abilities in the movie as well as his ability to create force fields. His aeroblast is also really fast; apparently “double digits mach-speeds” fast. Meh.
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Reference for the aeroblast, here:
www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=17292
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If I happen upon anything else significant, I’ll post it here, but I’ll leave the actual debating to anyone who has a higher end interpretation of legendary pokemon abilities.
@Reaper
I would think that they’d have access to every move they can learn or use.
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Fro what I know, Ridley’s never fought off psychic powers.
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@Zolanius
Plasma/fire attacks have been done before against pokemon with only signs of scratches and burns.
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Even so, Lugia can use Psychic to use the water to block attacks (since this is a deserted Island).
Maybe he could even use it to redirect his plasma attacks.
Well according to that site, it doesn’t look like Shadow Lugia has any “psychic” attack available. Not sure what “Shadow” attacks do.
@zolanius shadow moves suck against other shadow types and are apparently super effective against other type’s. with shadowrush being the only regulair damage exception.
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for shadow lugia this means he is boned since he can only use 4 moves.
1: Shadowblast: shadow form of aeroblast in theory. can be powerscaled for that matter.
2: Shadowdown: Lugia uses a shadowy aura to cut his opponents defences. game mech says 2 stages and that was pretty steep if i remember correctly. Can be compared to screech.
3:Shadowshed: Removes the effects of safeguard, reflect and light screen. (goes for both sides of the field ingame)
4: Shadowstorm: Lugia uses a shadowy aura to whip up a “vicious” tornado.
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bearing to mind what i still knew of MR and combining it with info orber gave me recently.
i still say Metal Ridley takes this. if only for the fact that lugia is limited in his movepool.
he has 3 moves that actually go for anything unless someone finds use for shadowshed.
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i love this pokemon, or rather its original. but i still think ridley eats lugia soup for dinner tonight.
I wonder if the distance between the Frigate Orpheon and Tallon IV was used to determine MR’s flight speed.
Was the distance ever given? I think the holo-map in Phendrana gave the size of Talon IV. Useful, since that can throw off distance by observation alone.
I’ll say Ridley on this one for now (don’t know enough about his contender), just because it seems Lugia seems a little similar to Alatreon (but I don’t know how they compare in power since Alatreon uses every basic element and causes natural calamities). To complement that, I don’t think Alatreon could take Meta Ridley alone (I suggested a matchup of Alatreon and Rukodiora vs. Meta Ridley).
Well, I just found something interesting. It says the Frigate Orpheon is 226 kilometers above Tallon IV. Whether or not Retro Studios still went with that, I don’t know.
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tcrf.net/images/4/4f/MPIntrotext.png
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If that’s the case, and if we went with Samus’ ship heading to Tallon IV, entering the atmosphere in 14 seconds after leaving the Frigate Orpheon, then . . .
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226,000 / 14 = 16,142.857142 repeating. That’s equal to Mach 47.
If that’s too much, then let’s assume the frigate was 100 miles above Tallon IV, that would still be high hypersonic of up to Mach 34. This site says 100 to 300 miles above Earth and includes space stations.
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www.spacetoday.org/Satellites/SatBytes/SatAltitudes.html
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So yeah. And that’s Samus’ ship, not MR. He’s ahead of Samus and loses her.
So how much faster do you think Meta Ridley is than Samus’ ship?
@Zolanius:
“So how much faster do you think Meta Ridley is than Samus’ ship?”
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If Retro went with the 226 kilometers, even after the release of Metroid Prime, despite it not showing up, I’d say Mach 50 for MR. That other bit for Mach 34 is just there, just in case anyone has a problem with the 226 kilometers.
I don’t!
I can accept the ludicrous facts of Metroid. High gravities and such.~
@Zolanius:
“I don’t! I can accept the ludicrous facts of Metroid. High gravities and such.~”
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Of course you can. Although the gravity part has been put into question many times on FP. I don’t know how strong MR is in terms of strength, though.
ow if i understood orber correctly earlier (private).
metroid seems to be sucky defended against magic/psychic. so if Shadow Lugia even wanted a small shot at winning. he should be purified version. but in my opinion that would NOT be shadow lugia in essence anymore.
The only magic present in Metroid are from wicked-smart entities like the Chozo and races that the Chozo touched.
shadow lugia doesnt have pyschic so debating about its use its pointless.
Samus herself is very warded against such attacks. Luminoth use magic, ing spiritual possession, and the hunter game had her immune to psychic powers (her ship got the message). Ridley has faced off against chozo before…. Does anybody have the manga?
“I would think that they’d have access to every move they can learn or use.”
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Well from what I’ve read, SL only has four moves.
“Ridley has faced off against chozo before…. Does anybody have the manga?”
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The Manga can be found here: www.metroid-database.com/manga/listing.php
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It is the Volume 1 and Volume 2 found about 1/4th down the scroll bar.
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The Chozo didnt attack with telepathy. They used BFGs. Mother Brain was a telepath and she controled the Space Pirates with it, but at the same time Prime Series shows that they could function without it (Other M stated they could not, but I think that was Samus just exaggerating since they are shown to fuction without a telepath telling them what to do).
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Also, Grey Voice was able to send a telepathic message to Samus while she was in her suit right before he died. It is not stated whether she got it or her suit, but it appears that she got it directly. … then again Chozo genes are funky and it was Grey Voice’s genes that was in her Chozo booster shot when they augmented her, so maybe they had a special connection *shrug* I neighter know nor really care.
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Ridley, however, has no implied or stated defence against psychic abilities.
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On the pluse side, his roar might cause Shadow Lugia to go all berserker and forget the tricks. In Other M that’s what his screem did to the local life forms, on the other hand they weren’t sentiant and I think all pokemon are (aren’t they?).
“The only magic present in Metroid are from wicked-smart entities like the Chozo and races that the Chozo touched.”
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Not true. The Bryyonians had magic before the Chozo were involved, and even after the Chozo met then all that happened was the Chozo said “you must find balance between technology and magic”, but then the Bryyonians screwed it all up and went all super techy, and then the traditionalists (the magic users) revolted due to culture shock and then they both had a huge cival war that utterly destroyed their entire civilization and caused the obliteration of the Science faction and the Magic faction deevolved into beasts.
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Yeah… not a happy place. But it is an occurance of straight up magic before the Enlightened Races got involved.
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Coming to think of it, I think they were the only people to actually use straight up Magic magic as opposed to some tech that worked like magic (like Samus’s willpower to energy to matter converter Power Suit) or the Alimbics who used telepatic somethings that maybe tech or maybe magic stones.
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But yeah, that is the only instance of named magic that I can think of and it does exist before the Enlightened Races were involved.
Before I get into this, I have to ask. How fast is Ridley and how hard can he hit?
@Lightning:
“How fast is Ridley and how hard can he hit?”
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Mach 50.
@Proto-mind
Tell me you mean Meta-Ridley and not ‘Regular’ Ridley, okay? D:
Omega Ridley needs a fight… Anyways, was it Meta Ridley who ripped open that ship? Or a different variant?
“Anyways, was it Meta Ridley who ripped open that ship? Or a different variant?’
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Meta-Ridley is implied to have done that. It is not overtly stated IIRC.
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The Valhalla (the ship in question) was attacked by Space Pirates in order for the SPs to obtain the Aurora Unit inside of it. From there the SPs used the AU to upload the Phazon based computer virus that shut down the Aurora Network. Samus is called in at the begining of the game to dispence the vaccine for the virus. Meta Ridley shows up not long after.
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Therefore, the attack on the Valhalla was done while Meta Ridley was active, and not Omega Ridley yet.
@OriginalA
Would you happen to remember any evidence towards the ship breaching? Claw marks, bent metal, burns or melted areas, etc? Because there’s no telling what methods and kind of effort Ridley put into that. It could mean the difference of ending this fight with a Mach 50 claw speed blitz, yes? Or is that too hyperbolic?
I don’t remember much, but I do know that Ridley(granted, it’s a clone) did this.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecAYwkwI9Lc&feature=player_detailpage#t=445s
@Commader Cross:
“Tell me you mean Meta-Ridley and not ‘Regular’ Ridley, okay? D:”
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It’s Meta Ridley. His mobility has been increased, according to canon.
As for Meta Ridley and the ship that he supposedly ripped, I have not found this anywhere. I thought it was in one particular room on the Valhalla, but I haven’t seen anything to confirm this. I would really like to see it.
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@Zolanius:
“Mach 50 claw speed blitz, yes? Or is that too hyperbolic?”
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If MR was going to attack SL at that speed, he would be bull rushing, not speed blitzing. Ridley alone is very capable of swiping at quick speeds, as seen in the MOM battle. So I’d imagine MR might be faster.
The shoulder tackles that Meta Ridley used when grounded to the temple in Prime 1 were also very quick. Any way you can do your math thing to see how fast and how hard those hit?
@Zolanius:
“The shoulder tackles that Meta Ridley used when grounded to the temple in Prime 1 were also very quick. Any way you can do your math thing to see how fast and how hard those hit?”
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I don’t know MR’s mass, nor the speed he goes. Even if I guessed 500 lbs. at 23 mph on the ground, that would produce far less Joules than what Samus produces with the Speed Booster.
@Proto-Mind:
I’ve seen the scan myself at some point. I know I’ve scanned it when I went through there the first time too. That said I can’t find it right now either.
From what I’ve read here, Meta Ridley wins due to speed. If SL were able to score a direct hit with the Shadow Aura (or whatever it’s called) then it would no doubt do damage. But we’ve never seen SL going up against anything as fast as Ridley as far as I know.
I’d like to think Ridley also has it, but under speed, weaponry and overall resilience.
Aren’t most pokemon crazy fast due to power scalling?
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Isn’t one of the slower birds (in game mechanics) crazy hypersonic fast?
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I know there is some pokemon that can circumnavigate the world easily.
@OrignalA
But has Shadow Lugia ever come across them? The Legendary Birds, how fast are they. I’m pretty sure Zapdos can haul ass.
I believe Rayquaza is the fastest pokemon out there, I’m not certain though.
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There are ton’s of other pokemon, there’s probably one I’m missing that is pretty fast. But I’m not familiar enough with the PokeDex if that’s where those come from.
Ridley wins. Lugia can’t use Psychic attacks, so that doesn’t Metternich. I doubt Shadowstorm will be useful.
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Also, yes, Garchomp, Dragonite, and some of the birds can go supersonic. The first two are considered Pseudo-Legendaries, so are more powerful than normal, though. I actually suggested a match with them.
Garchomp is super sonic? Above or below ground?
garchomp supersonic? ok if i ever seen or heard it i forgot. i do know that pidgeot is rather fast for a common fully evolved pokemon. on pidgeot if you wanna start powerscaling. he is mach 2.
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as for lugia i have been unsuccesfull on finding speed feats even for regulair lugia.
one rather bold pokedex entry is that when he flaps his wings he causes a fourty day long storm. this explaining why he always isolates himself in the currents of the sea.
anyone able to calculate or even try to assume how fast he is based on the movie The power of one?
Shadow Lugia pawns this one. First off Lugia is one of the most powerful pokemon around, not to mention being a shadow creature expands its power by a zillion light years. Meta Ridley is a beast but just doesnt have the power.
@OriginalA
TYVM for the link
@havoc
1) lugia pawns nothing as there is no pawn shop. Spelling is your friend.
2) one of the most powerful entities in your universe =/= all universes. Don’t do this.
3) I fail to see how a shadow creature increases his power by units of distance. Know what you’re saying.
4) IF you are going against the majority, we need teh proofs.
I thought it said shadow luigi
@Havoc: …No. Just no. Shadow Lugia isn’t even that powerful. Maybe the Pseudo-Legendary Pokémon would do better.
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Also, I was wrong. Garchomp is sonic, Dragonite is sonic+, Pidgeot is Mach 2. I can’t find speed for Rayquaza.
Lmao i thought it was luigi too. @Epiczeroth Shows how little you know about pokemon. Lugia by itself is one of the most powerful pokemon alive. being psychic enhances its abilities by a ton. meta ridley is just a huge ugly bird. Even if shadow lugia is weak itll still beat ridley.
@Primusz if your going to speak then dont speak ***! What you say makes no sense whatsoever, and pawn shops arent apart of the show. Shadow luigia is like a dark lugia, only a few differences. Shadow lugia is an enhancment of the real deal, by a evil company. Kinda like mew and mew two. And if were going to to need proof then maybe youd like to show me yours
Meta Ridley is a Zebesian space dragon that has had a full cybernetic upgrade and commands the Space Pirate ranks. He is no bird.
@havoc
You fail to comprehend sir. You started that lugia would “pawn”" meta Ridley. I don’t see how it would sell a space dragon. I assume you meant “pwn”? Also I need to prove nothing because I myself made no claims whatsoever. I have not even cast my vote for either side, if you even bothered to read and pay attention. Please read, understand, and create a cogent rebuttal. YOU made claims, therefore YOU must provide proof to substantiate your claims
so hes a flying machine, HUGE sucsess. Still a pyschic being could tear up a cyber infused monster. Mew two has already proved that.
Be a little less specific primus. I meant pwn not pawn. And as for the claims you have claimed something. That im wrong. Its like being inoccent until proven guilty. So you must prove im wrong. All you need to do is follow that link that a person posted earlier for you to see the power of the shadow luiga. That and many more websites that can attest to that. You obviously dont know much about pokemon. And if Ridley is so powerful then id like you to show me more on him.
Well, I’d bring up numbers, but I doubt anyone wants to bring them in, given how ludicrous the numbers are. Things like Samus’ power bombs being nukes, the gravitational forces on Zebes, and the idea of hand-held terawatt weapons are things nobody likes, it seems.
@havoc
Quote me where I say you’re wrong. I dare you. Plus to ask somebody to be vague on “factpile” is asinine
@zol
I don’t mind the numbers. They have stupid strong tech lol.
Were not here to please ppl. Were here to see who would win. So whatever you have to bring in then bring in. I still dont see what that has to do with Ridleys being “More powerful”
Dares go first. Quote me where I WAS wrong.
@Zolanius:
“Well, I’d bring up numbers, but I doubt anyone wants to bring them in, given how ludicrous the numbers are. Things like Samus’ power bombs being nukes, the gravitational forces on Zebes, and the idea of hand-held terawatt weapons are things nobody likes, it seems.”
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All these have been addressed. 1 terawatt isn’t the same as 1 terajoule. The Volt Driver is unquantifiable. Zebes’ g is an outlier. EnigmaJ has covered these the most.
What about the mach 50 calc from earlier?
Im lost. Are all these attributes to Ridley?
@Havoc
Meta-Ridley or Omega Ridley, yes, ‘Regular’ Ridley, I suspect is only between Mach 20+ to Mach 26 as far as I’m aware.
Nada that Dresden or his Late Ma’s old man can’t track, or the likes of Pit(Kid Icarus) or Haseo(dot.hack) can’t fight in any coherent fashion at all, but they aren’t in there, so moot point is moot?
Can Shadow Lugia track Meta-Ridley?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7eYsx0KIhs&feature=player_detailpage#t=416s
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Meta Ridley doesn’t get damaged by the explosions being caused by a mother ship and flies through whatever in his way with ease.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHKZefebYtk&feature=player_detailpage#t=282s
Shows cloaking and stops the generator from going down.
@Zolanius:
“What about the mach 50 calc from earlier?”
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That has not been contested.
“All these have been addressed. 1 terawatt isn’t the same as 1 terajoule. The Volt Driver is unquantifiable.”
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Wouldn’t Samus being in zero suit being hit with lightning support this?
@havoc
Reading comprehension fail and defensiveness? My my. I never said you were wrong. I did point out you SPELLED something wrong, but we all do. You made the claim, you need proof. I never claimed Ridley was more powerful, because exactly as you said I know little about his opponent. I therefore reserved judgment rather than make unsubstantiated claims as you did. Please educate me on dark/shadow/whatever lugia.
@protomind
I can accept the volt driver issue, but canon numbers are stated for zebe’s gravity, are they not? Or was that a different planet? They do have the technology to alter gravitational fields (gravity suit, nightmare, black hole gun). please educate me on the matter.
Also on one thread I read before joining you mentioned working on a metroid respect thread. May I have a link if it’s available? TYVM either way
Didn’t Ridley outrun Samus’ship one time? Didn’t said ship have a speed of 72c?
“Didn’t Ridley outrun Samus’ship one time? Didn’t said ship have a speed of 72c?”
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The ship had a cruise speed of 72c but remember,
Ridley had a head-start.
Ship wasn’t going at full speed.
@Primus
That’s true in Space, but as far as I’m aware this fight isn’t in Space, so moot point might be moot, yet still valid?
My apologies for snapping at you.
@Alpha or Omega:
“Wouldn’t Samus being in zero suit being hit with lightning support this?”
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That is entirely dependent on the player. Even if Samus was hit by lightning, it wouldn’t really mean anything when compared to survivors of lightning strikes.
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@PrimusxPilus:
“I can accept the volt driver issue, but canon numbers are stated for zebe’s gravity, are they not? Or was that a different planet? They do have the technology to alter gravitational fields (gravity suit, nightmare, black hole gun). please educate me on the matter.
Also on one thread I read before joining you mentioned working on a metroid respect thread. May I have a link if it’s available? TYVM either way”
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Although you can accept the Volt Driver issue, if you’re aware of it, I think it depends mostly on time. It’s not questioned that the Volt Driver produces multi-terawatts. The time it lasts and how much time it requires to refresh seems to be the issue.
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Lightning, for example, lasts only 30 microseconds, but it produces 1 terawatt. The joules seem to be around in the megaton range, at least from what I’ve read on Wikipedia and this site.
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www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacegunconvent.php#id–Nukes_In_Space–Boom_Table
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In Metroid Prime it says the planet is 4.8 trillion teratons in mass. That’s the same thing as 4.8 trillion trillion tons, or 4.8 x 10^24. The diameter is 11,700 kilometers. Earth strangely has a close number. It is 5.9 billion trillion tons, 5.9 x 10^21, with a diameter of 12,700 kilometers.
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As for the respect thread, it’s not finished. I haven’t touched it because I felt like in order for me to work on that, I would need to understand physics. So I decided I’d teach myself mathematics first, which has been slow.
@Commander Cross:
“That’s true in Space, but as far as I’m aware this fight isn’t in Space, so moot point might be moot, yet still valid?”
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Yes, but it should be in the air, which means MR can take the full advantage if he so desires. He might not even use the full speed, but if he did, he could probably bull rush.
“That is entirely dependent on the player. Even if Samus was hit by lightning, it wouldn’t really mean anything when compared to survivors of lightning strikes.”
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While it is dependent on the player, aren’t energy tanks shown to be canon?
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Anyway, even in zero-suit, Samus can tank more than one lightning strike since the total you can have a total of nine energy tanks before getting the other three. In easy/normal, lightning does 50 damage. in hard mode, it takes 1 energy tank or does 100 damage.
Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Ridley’s home planet of Zebes calculated to be 865.5 times greater than Earth? Him being able to fly and lift casually in that should mean something, right? That is, if you guys want to believe that. I do, but that makes for bad debate technique to believe in a dubious calculation…
@Proto-mind
Just in case(better to be safe than to be sorry, although if I suggested Original!-Timeline Tenchi vs E.U Post-Endor Luke Skywalker, the odds of me making public apologies to anyone are next to nil, really at least in this site, private apologies might be another matter!) are we talking ‘Regular’ Ridley(not likely) or are we talking about either Meta or Omega Ridley with that one?
@alpha
TYVM for the clarification
@havoc
No worries man it happens to the best of us. But seriously I know nothing I stopped following Pokemon after silver came out for game boy, so educate me lol
@protomind
well my physics is rusty but wasn’t the argument how much time the weapon had to transfer the energy. The less time the less energy transfer, especially electrical currents. But then you have absolute zero weapons, nuke powered hand guns, etc. they have stupid strong tech
@Havoc: I know more than you. Lugia is powerful, but Shadow Lugia isn’t. Lugia is powerful because of his moveset, which SL doesn’t have. I know SL has lots of power behind his attacks. They just won’t really affect MR.
@protomind
How is zebes an outlier because it IS a canon number…. I don’t know why nintendo always likes to say “lolno” to physics and asspull numbers but they do…. They could very well have personal gravity altering units, and the suit is just a badass (Chozo= Badass) upgrade. Of course this is all just speculation, but wasn’t she surviving these dubious numbers as a child without the suit? I am probably misremembering, but I do remember a scan of this. That would also lend credence to her smashing that robot where super missiles didn’t work. Either way I love the series (haven’t played other M and I’ve heard both sides of that spectrum).
As to your RT, I’m sorry you’re not done, but I’m rooting for you and looking forward to seeing the fruits of your labors upon completion
@Zolanius:
“While it is dependent on the player, aren’t energy tanks shown to be canon?”
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Yes. This was first demonstrated in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. In Metroid: Other M, the first scene with Samus’ energy being restored also proves it’s not a game mechanic.
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@Commander Cross:
“Just in case(better to be safe than to be sorry, although if I suggested Original!-Timeline Tenchi vs E.U Post-Endor Luke Skywalker, the odds of me making public apologies to anyone are next to nil, really at least in this site, private apologies might be another matter!) are we talking ‘Regular’ Ridley(not likely) or are we talking about either Meta or Omega Ridley with that one?”
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It’s Meta Ridley’s speed.
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@PrimusxPilus:
“How is zebes an outlier because it IS a canon number…. I don’t know why nintendo always likes to say “lolno” to physics and asspull numbers but they do…. They could very well have personal gravity altering units, and the suit is just a badass (Chozo= Badass) upgrade. Of course this is all just speculation, but wasn’t she surviving these dubious numbers as a child without the suit? I am probably misremembering, but I do remember a scan of this. That would also lend credence to her smashing that robot where super missiles didn’t work. Either way I love the series (haven’t played other M and I’ve heard both sides of that spectrum).
As to your RT, I’m sorry you’re not done, but I’m rooting for you and looking forward to seeing the fruits of your labors upon completion”
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We never see Samus demonstrate the 86 tons, and this is the only planet with that recorded information. I would be inclined to believe this if this was presented again in another Metroid game. Not even Metroid Prime 2: Echoes shows the mass and diameter of Aether.
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Then there’s the thing about the Biologic Space Lab in Metroid Fusion. Both MP and MF were released the same day, so it’s any wonder if Yoshio Sakamoto was thinking the B.S.L had the same type of gravity as Zebes, let alone was aware of the mass and diameter of the planet.
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At best, all that can be assumed in MF when Samus battles Nightmare is that the gravity was doubled. It’s simply the safest option. Of course, if Samus could walk like it’s nothing in an 865.5 g area, 2 g should be nothing. So the assumption would have to be that Nightmare increased the gravity a little higher than 865.5. That would be the logical explanation, but it’s not supported, only assumed.
“How is zebes an outlier because it IS a canon number”
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In addition to that, all of the other planets that are given mass and diameters match up closer to Zebes than to Earth. That is the say, they are within the same order of magnitude of Zebes’s mass, where as Earth is three orders of magnitude less massive. Yeah real “similiar” numbers there. Only off by 1000.
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“but wasn’t she surviving these dubious numbers as a child without the suit?”
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Before she was even augmented by the Chozo even. Mother Brain suggested that she would die within days without the augmentations, and she wasn’t optimistic for Samus’s survival post-aug either.
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While I disagree wtih Proto-Mind about the whole “it’s just a typo. They really wanted it to be less massive than Earth” thing. I do agree with him in that it is a really stupid number. As far as I’m concerned the Chozo have massive anti-grav machines that turn such planets into something close to Earthish, but of course there is absolutely no canon backing to this.
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Oddly enough, the Manga supports the stupid high mass number by implication. In the manga the Space Pirates attack Zebes with a huge ship that is at least as massive as a moon. This ship generates a giant black hole in order to destroy Zebes’s planetary shield. After the shield is destroyed it starts to slowly suck up huge parts of the planet. If the planet was less massive it would have been signifcatly more damaged by that black hole.
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In a strange twist though, in Metroid Prime you can possibly see the after effects of this attack (or it could just be happy coincedence, but I choose to believe this was deliberate). In the Observatory you can see Zebes’s orbit path around the system’s star, and Zebes’s orbit has it cross the orbit path of … two planets … maybe just one, but I think it was two. All of the other planets have a stable orbit except for Zebes. Zebes’s orbit has it put on an eventual collusion course with another planet.
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What could possibly throw off a planet’s orbit like that? A giant black hole like the one the Space Pirates used to invade Zebes!
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“I don’t know why nintendo always likes to say “lolno” to physics and asspull numbers but they do”
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This is too true. Sometimes I like it. Other times I don’t. I wish they had gotten them right in the Metroid series. In places like Mario I like it when it is zanny crazy. That is just too fun to talk about the implications!
Ok… this match could have been better… Shame. Need to put more thought into my pokemon match suggestions.
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As for the whole volt driver issue, the problem is that “terawatts” doesn’t tell us much about the energy output of the weapon unless we know the duration of energy transfer the power figure is referring to. The volt driver could be in the terawatts and yet, each bolt could still be too weak to hurt a fly.
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For example, we’ve built a laser with modern technology whose power is measured in the exawatts. However, because the duration of energy transfer is in the femtoseconds, only 200 joules of energy are generated with each burst. This makes the volt driver difficult, if not impossible, to accurately quantify.
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Last time, it was brought up here:
www.factpile.com/7140-hk-47-vs-samus-aran/
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“Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Ridley’s home planet of Zebes calculated to be 865.5 times greater than Earth?”
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Keeping it brief…
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Yes, data is given for the planets regarding their mass and radius, so it’s possible to use physics equations to calculate that Zebes *should* have 865.5x Earth’s gravity.
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However, its also possible to calculate using physics equations and other canon data that Zebes and these other worlds *cannot possibly* have 800x the gravity of Earth.
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It’s science, that says that Zebes should have that much gravity. But it’s also science that says Zebes does not have that much gravity.
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Left with this and the fact that seemingly normal humans can apparently survive on Zebes ( or at least from what I’ve heard claimed ), I’m tempted to say that Occam’s Razor supports the low end figures.
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See here:
www.factpile.com/7935-samus-aran-vs-old-one-eye/comment-page-2/#comments
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www.factpiletopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7165&start=10
“We never see Samus demonstrate the 86 tons”
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In the opening of Other M, Samus falls like 10 feet and completely crumples the metal floor she lands on. … You don’t do that with 200lbs.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBxHwLGzJng
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The metal floor in question is over an inch thick. It acts like tin foil under Samus’s drop.
I thought the 90 kg figure was for suitless Samus?
1) it’s ambiguous. It could be either suitless or suited.
2) how much does a suit made of hard light and willpower weigh?
3) Chozo tech is weird.
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Oh, and Other M also shows Samus have monsterious strength when she pulls that whale monster out of lava. That is retard strength there.
@OriginalA:
“In the opening of Other M, Samus falls like 10 feet and completely crumples the metal floor she lands on. … You don’t do that with 200lbs.”
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EnigmaJ, if you know anything on this, maybe you could correct me. Well, if I am doing this correctly, let’s go with 198 lbs. and 10 feet.
Object is 90 kg.
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Distance is 3.048 meters.
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Gravity is 9.8 m/s/s.
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3.048 * 9.8 * 2 is 59.7408
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The square root of 59.7408 is 7.729 m/s.
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To find the kinetic energy before impact, I must take 59.7408 and multiply it by the mass of the object.
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59.7408 * 90 is 5,376.672.
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5,376.672 * .5 is 2,688.336.
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To find the force of impact, I’ll assume the floor was 2 inches, and that Samus went 3 inches, or 7.62 centimeters. In meters that is 0.0762 meters.
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2,688.336 / 0.0762 is 35,280 Newtons.
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That many Newtons in pounds per force, if I am doing this properly, is 7,931 lbs., or 4 tons if rounded. Considering the flooring is 2 inches thick, I don’t see why it wouldn’t bust the way it did on impact.